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ccurcillo BTRs7-Dec-2007
Status: active
Email: ccurcillo@hotmail.com
Address: 230 Tar Heel Dr, Delaware, OH 43015
Reporter: Foxhack

I was looking for some Gamecube games to start up a collection and noticed ccurcillo had some games that I was interested in, and he wanted games that I couldn't sell or trade away, so I ignored the previous BTR in hopes of getting some good games.

I saw he had a listing for "Metroid Prime / Metroid Prime 2: Echos" (sic), so I offered Flesh Feast (good condition, no box), Liberty or Death (Genesis, w/box, no manual), and Forgotten Realms Archives (CDs in a cardboard slipcase, no manuals) on November 2, 2007. I believed that the game he was sending me was a two-pack with Metroid Prime 1 and 2. I asked a few times if both games (not one game) were complete, and he said yes. He then asked for some more games in another offer, but we didn't agree on what to trade so we didn't finish that one. That delayed the shipping of the games we'd originally agreed upon by a few days. (Just adding that for clarification here.) I shipped out my games on November 8, 2007, and they arrived at his place on November 10. He then sent me a message saying that he would be out of town on business and he'd just buy the game online and have it sent to my address instead. I said I wouldn't have minded the wait until he returned but thanked him anyway.

I sent him a message on November 20, asking for my game. He said he'd look into it. The game did not arrive at my box until the 28th (but I got it on the 30th because the people at my mail place held it in the back, they thought it wasn't for me for some reason, and I had to yell at them to give it to me.) The package has a postmark of November 24. When I opened the package, I saw that it did not contain Metroid Prime 1 + Metroid Prime 2. Instead, it contained Metroid Prime 1 plus the Metroid Prime 2 bonus disc, which is basically a demo. Also, the game was not in very good shape. The discs have some scratches, and the case is beat up and has some stickers on them.

I let ccurcillo know that I was expecting two games, not one and a demo, and he said that he was going to send me Metroid Prime 1 + the MP2 bonus disc. I said the item name did not say anything about a bonus disc or a demo, and that I'd like to have my games back since this was a misunderstanding. He then replied that he didn't have any of the games anymore, and he asked me for an "internet link" of the game package I thought I was getting.

I replied that I thought it was some sort of a special pack-in deal, since I didn't know much about the Gamecube at all. I asked him again if he had the games, because I wasn't interested in money - just the games. He replied that he sold two and traded another, and he asked if I saw something on his list I wanted. I said I wanted Star Fox Assault (GC, very good condition), which was on his list. He took a couple of days to reply and he said he didn't have it anymore (the game was removed.), and asked me to look for something else. So I asked for Resident Evil 0 (GC, very good condition) and Resident Evil Director's Cut Dual Shock Edition (PS1, very good condition.), and said that considering the value of the games I sent him, I thought this was a fair trade. And he ended up making an offer of a disc-only copy of Resident Evil Director's Cut for PS1 in exchange for the game I got instead.

I don't know what else to add to this report without resorting to name calling. I was hoping that the previous BTR was a fluke due to a misunderstanding, but this doesn't seem to be the case anymore. I'm not looking for money, all I want is an equal trade for the items I sent him, nothing more. I hate to file a BTR like this, but I really don't like being led around for nothing. I hope this helps in some way.

--- BTR Edited on December 8, 2007---
After talking to the GameTZ mods and trying to find a solution, I found out that ccurcillo is SELLING two of the games that he claims he did not have anymore over at Amazon.com. He's also got a cart-only copy of Liberty or death, but my copy had a box, so he may have truly traded my copy away (but who knows.)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j238/foxhack/Gam...
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j238/foxhack/Gam...
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j238/foxhack/Gam...

I took those two screenshots this morning. The games are described as being in the exact same condition as the ones I sent him. So he's still got them but refuses to send them back.

At this point, I'll take $30 considering the sale cost of all three items, or the two Resident Evil games that I'd asked for, in complete and near mint state (no disc only copies or scratched up ones.)
--- BTR Edited on December 8, 2007 END ---

A transcript of the trade follows.

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on 7-Dec-2007 at 3:43pm K_Sniper The only items I want from your list are Resident Evil 0 (Gamecube, very good, complete w/box and manual) and Resident Evil Director's Cut Dual Shock Edition (PS1, very good, complete w/box and manual). Considering I sent you three games, two of which (Flesh Feast and Liberty or Death) were kinda rare and valuable, and the fact that I was expecting two games... I think that both of them would be a fair way to end this trade. I get the games, I send off this copy of Metroid Prime to you and that'll be that.

Thanks for trying to set this right. Hope to hear from you soon.
on 6-Dec-2007 at 3:08pm ccurcillo don't have Star Fox: Assault anymore. anything else?
on 4-Dec-2007 at 3:05pm K_Sniper Sorry for the late reply. It's been hell at work. Late night shifts suck.

I looked at your list and the only thing that interests me is Star Fox: Assault. I dunno if that would be a fair trade. Let me know. I'll try to reply as soon as I can.
on 1-Dec-2007 at 3:28pm ccurcillo do you see anything on my list that you want to trade that game back for?
on 1-Dec-2007 at 3:27pm ccurcillo sold 2, traded 1
on 1-Dec-2007 at 2:29pm K_Sniper I don't have a link for those games I thought I was getting, I know next to nothing about the Gamecube (I just bought one) and thought they'd released some sort of two-pack, like they did with some Zelda games and other similar packages. I figured it was a special pack-in variant I hadn't heard of.

You don't have my games anymore? Did you already trade them away, or sell them? I'm not asking for any money, all I want are my games back. I'll send you back the game I got. I don't want anything else.
on 1-Dec-2007 at 8:01am ccurcillo please send me an internet link to the item that you thought that you were getting
on 1-Dec-2007 at 8:01am ccurcillo I don't have those games anymore
on 30-Nov-2007 at 3:48pm K_Sniper Sorry, but by this:

"So I'd like to get my games back, and I'll send you this copy of the game I got, if you want."

I meant that I'd return the game you sent me if you send me my games back, not that I'd get to keep this game and you'd have to return the games to me, that's just silly. Sorry again.
on 30-Nov-2007 at 3:47pm K_Sniper ... the listing is not for that. The listing does not say "Bonus Disc". It says Metroid Prime 1 / Metroid Prime 2. If I had known I was getting MP1 + MP2 Bonus Disc, I wouldn't have offered the trade at all.

I was under the impression that I would be getting both games, not MP1 + the demo. The item on the trade agreement was both games, not this. So I'd like to get my games back, and I'll send you this copy of the game I got, if you want. I only offered so many games because I thought I'd be getting both metroid primes, not just one.

Sorry.
on 30-Nov-2007 at 3:36pm ccurcillo no that is correct. they never sold both full versions as a set. that is exactly what I have that I was going to send you.
on 30-Nov-2007 at 2:01pm K_Sniper Yes and no. I got the package today, apparently the idiots at the mail room held it because they weren't sure it was for me.

... but I don't think I got the right item. When I made this offer I thought I'd be getting Metroid Prime 1 + 2, but what I really got from that yahoo, as you called him... was Metroid Prime 1 plus the Metroid Prime 2 bonus disc. So I only got one game instead of two. Your original post implied that I would be getting a Metroid Prime 1 + 2 two pack, not the Metroid Prime 1 + MP2 bonus disc.

I'm not sure what to do here. I was under the impression that I would be getting a different item, not this. What now?
on 30-Nov-2007 at 11:24am ccurcillo has it arrived yet? my post office is telling me that the USPS.com site is wrong. They have it in their internal system as delivered to Calexico, Ca 92231 at 7:31 on November 28 2007
on 29-Nov-2007 at 11:57am ccurcillo I will look into it. if it doesn't arrive by dec 4th. I will ship you another.
on 29-Nov-2007 at 11:41am K_Sniper ... er. Dude. I don't live in Berkeley. I live in Calexico. The delivery confirmation number says it was delivered at Berkeley, which is way up north from where I live.

What's going on?
on 26-Nov-2007 at 7:34am ccurcillo sorry, but this yahoo didn't ship it until last week. here I was trying to get the game to you earlier, and this person drops the ball. you should get it in a couple of days though. sorry for the delay.
on 26-Nov-2007 at 7:32am ccurcillo Tracking number: 9101 8052 1390 7214 0679 49
Your item was delivered at 1:22 pm on November 28, 2007 in BERKELEY, CA 94702.
Electronic Shipping Info Received, November 24, 2007


on 20-Nov-2007 at 10:42am ccurcillo I will look into it. If it does not arrive by December 4, 2007, I will send you another copy. thx!
on 20-Nov-2007 at 10:27am K_Sniper Hi. It's been ten days and still no game... So uh. How'd you send it? What's the tracking number? Where did you order it from?
on 10-Nov-2007 at 7:56pm K_Sniper Um... okay? I wouldn't have minded waiting for you to come back, I'm not in a hurry to get the game. But thanks.
on 10-Nov-2007 at 7:37pm ccurcillo I sent on 10-Nov-2007.
I am going out of town for a business trip tomorrow. Since I wasn't going to be here Monday when the post office is open to ship your item, I went ahead an ordered you a copy and had it shipped to you (hope you don't mind). Please let me know if it arrives in good order.
on 10-Nov-2007 at 7:32pm ccurcillo I have received.
on 8-Nov-2007 at 10:54am K_Sniper I sent on 8-Nov-2007.
Tracking number: 03071790000119295819
Your item was delivered at 10:50 am on November 10, 2007 in DELAWARE, OH 43015.
Processed, November 10, 2007, 12:40 am, COLUMBUS, OH 43218
Processed, November 08, 2007, 7:18 pm, SAN BERNARDINO, CA 92403
Acceptance, November 08, 2007, 8:49 am, CALEXICO, CA 92231
Parcel Post.
on 7-Nov-2007 at 11:20am K_Sniper Allright, got your other cancellation message. I'll ship this out tomorrow morning.
on 6-Nov-2007 at 8:16pm K_Sniper I've countered your other offer; note that Thief Gold does not include a manual, I checked, but the discs are in pretty good shape. Feel free to edit that other offer if you wish, though I happen to have that Shanghai game for Genesis on your want list. Let me know in that other trade offer!
on 6-Nov-2007 at 1:43pm ccurcillo yes, it includes the box insert as well
on 6-Nov-2007 at 1:25pm K_Sniper Yes, I found Flesh Feast and that Silver Archives collection. I found them last night, they were behind some boxes. I haven't searched for Thief Gold yet, but I did see it in a box last night, so I shouldn't have any issues getting it.

I don't mind trading away Thief Gold and Perfect General Trilogy, but I really don't see much in your want list I'm interested in anymore. Lemme try and pick something out first.

And uh... sorry to ask, I know I sound annoying, but you said Metroid Prime 1+2 includes a box, but does it include the cover insert? Just trying to make sure all bases are covered, sorry. Thanks.
on 6-Nov-2007 at 12:49pm ccurcillo so were you able to find all of the games in this trade?
on 6-Nov-2007 at 12:39pm K_Sniper DDR is the case and manual only, there is no game included. Thief Gold... I should still have it somewhere. I think it's in my main game box. I'll look for it later today.

By the way I did find Flesh Feast and the other game.

You realize of course that I'd have to get more items from you have list, right? As it is, I was having problems picking something in exchange for Perfect General... Heh.
on 6-Nov-2007 at 8:40am ccurcillo I would also be interested in...

Dance Dance Revolution PlayStation
Thief Gold PC
on 5-Nov-2007 at 3:07pm K_Sniper I searched high and low for two of the items I'm offering (that Forgotten Realms archive and Flesh Feast) and I cannot find them anywhere. I had all my trade items in several boxes, and neither of them are in there. This doesn't make a lick of sense! If I can't find them by tomorrow evening, I'll have to cancel the trade. I'm really sorry about this, I don't want to look like I'm backing out, because I'm not. I really want the Metroid Prime two pack we agreed upon.

Please accept my apologies. I'll let you know as soon as I can check every box again, slowly, to see if I can find them.
on 4-Nov-2007 at 7:15pm ccurcillo yes, I will be sending the case
on 4-Nov-2007 at 6:50pm ccurcillo ccurcillo's address:

*address removed*

on 4-Nov-2007 at 6:50pm K_Sniper K_Sniper's address:

*address removed*

on 4-Nov-2007 at 6:50pm K_Sniper Pending trade created.

Offer Accepted
Allright - you still haven't told me if you were sending the case. ;)

I haven't found Flesh Feast; I know I still have it because I tested the game and didn't like it (which is why I'm trading it away), and I put it next to some CDs I stored a few months ago. I'll let you know the moment I find it. I'll keep the Perfect General trade on hold for a bit while I browse your list and choose something. Thanks!
on 4-Nov-2007 at 12:43pm ccurcillo btw, parcel post is fine
on 4-Nov-2007 at 12:18pm ccurcillo Offer Accepted
I will make a second offer for Perfect General
on 3-Nov-2007 at 11:52pm K_Sniper Incidentally, I noticed you want The Perfect General (DOS). I have a copy of the game which includes two expansions on one CD - the disc is mint, but the box was crushed and it's kinda falling apart. It can be repaired, and I can also provide pictures if you want. There was no manual, it's in a file in the CD (I got this sealed, so there wasn't a printed manual included.)

If you want I can add that to the trade, in exchange for something else from your trade list. Interested?
on 2-Nov-2007 at 8:37pm K_Sniper Counter-Offer
I can't ship via Media Mail. The Calexico post office will not allow -anyone- to ship anything via Media Mail except for books - and even then they'll only allow educational texts! I've argued with them over this several times, but they refuse to budge, so I'm stuck using Parcel.

Anyway... I'll be shipping all of these inside a small box. All I ask of you is that you please send the game I'm asking for in a bubble mailer, via First Class, once you get my items.

Just one thing, does the Metroid Prime 1 + 2 package include the outer insert? And they're both in an original Gamecube case? (I read the BTR against you, so I'm asking just in case you're not sending the game case. No offense meant, of course.)

Thanks for replying. :)
on 2-Nov-2007 at 8:22pm ccurcillo Counter-Offer
send MEDIA RATE, cheaper than Parcel post and same speed.
on 2-Nov-2007 at 7:53pm K_Sniper Offer Created
Hi, I noticed you have Metroid Prime 1 and 2... so I hope you'll at least consider this offer. I have a few other items from your want list, but since they're disc only, I haven't offered them. If you want them, let me know. Thanks! (And yes, I'm aware of the whole BTR situation. You've still got a higher rating than me so I'd send first.)
Response from Accused "Bad Trader": (7-Dec-2007)
Please send me a web link or UPC of the item that you thought that you were getting. you can't, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST. I sent you the METROID PRIME 1 w/ METROID 2 BONUS DISC, which is the only METROID GAMECUBE combo package that ever existed. Please don't ask me to send you something that does not exist.

ccurcillo BTRs5-Sep-2007
Status: active
Email: ccurcillo@hotmail.com
Address: 230 Tar Heel Dr. Delaware OH 43015
Reporter: futureman

Ccurcillo agreed to trade The Collector's Edition of Atlantis: The Lost Empire 2 Disc DVD for The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time cart only for N64 on July 27th. In the trade it was stated that Zelda was cart only and ccurcillo wrote in Atlantis: The Lost Empire (DVD) and I asked and made sure it was the Collector's Edition. On his list he had Atlantis: The Lost Empire -- Collector's Edition DVD (condition: very good, box: yes). We agreed to send at the same time, yet ccurcillo didn't send until he received on August 2nd. He sent 2 DVDs and the cover art bent. I messaged ccurcillo and asked where the case was, he said that he never said he said he had the case even though when I asked he promptly deleted Atlantis from his list. His arguments from this point included that my game didn't come with a case, and a link for $10 cases that he said were .35. The mods got involved and he told them that no one should send cases to save on shipping, and as of September 5th a majority of his DVDs on his list state they include the case. I asked for Zelda back but he said that he didn't have it anymore, and he wouldn't say what happened to it, he should have gotten it at the same time, but he supposedly got rid of it before the trade was completed. If you look at his ratings you can see that he sometimes doesn't send what is agreed on or leaves out pertinent information. I would like $15 for Zelda, and money to ship the DVDs and cover art if he wants them back. I haven't heard from ccurcillo since August 8th, he never offered to send the case as he states in his comments and he is selling a copy of Zelda Ocarina of Time on half.com for 15.95 yet he thinks $15 for Zelda is unfair. Here is the link, the game has been on for at least 3 days as of September 9th. http://product.half.ebay.com/The-Legend-of-Zelda-O...

[ This Note Added by GameTZ Moderators 09/05/07 : We exchanged several emails with both ccurcillo and futureman over this situation. We even had to check backups to confirm that ccurcillo's original Atlantis: The Lost Empire DVD listing said "box: yes". Given that ccurcillo's listing said it had the box, it seems strongly implied that the trade included the box. When ccurcillo created the offer, he manually entered the DVD's name and excluded condition and box info by so doing (was this intentional?). He didn't mention he wasn't sending the DVD box anywhere. At best, this seems sneaky to us. At worst, it was deliberate "bait & switch" deception.

When we talked to ccurcillo about this, he told us, "I have just gotten in the practice of only sending inserts to save on shipping, figuring that if most people did this, everyone would have extra DVD cases on hand. And, if someone complains, I can offer to purchase them a DVD
case."

What?! I was shocked by this response. It's OK to do this, but if you're going to do it, you have to be clear about it. Simply not mentioning it, especially after you listing says it had a box, is deceptive. As futureman mentioned ccurcillo is still listing most of his items has having boxes, yet he apparently has no intention of sending boxes.

futureman is a collector who wanted a complete/original DVD. When he didn't get what he was expecting, ccurcillo was entirely unhelpful. He said, "I never said that my DVD included the case. I don't have your Zelda game anymore."

ccurcillo seems to feel he owes futureman $0.25 for doing this. We disagree, he owes futureman the chance to reverse the trade and get his stuff back or compensation ($15 is reasonable for N64 Zelda). ]
Response from Accused "Bad Trader": (5-Sep-2007)
The trade that was agreed upon DID NOT INCLUDE THE CASE? This trader DID NOT READ THE TRADE carefully. besides, everyone knows that you can purchase DVD cases for like $.50. If this person needs a case for the DVD, they can buy one. I even offered to send them the $.50 for one. The link that I sent him was $10 FOR 25 CASES. Again, THEY DIDN'T READ CAREFULLY. I think this is ridiculous to file a BTR over a $.50 DVD case, THAT WAS NEVER AGREED TO IN THE TRADE TO BEGIN W/.

I sincerely hope that the moderators will revoke this BTR, since it states that I didn't send something that was NEVER AGREED UPON IN THE TRADE. The fact that we allow BTR's to be filed over such trivial things as $.50 DVD cases is something that should be reconsidered.