Bad Traders


Bad Traders Reported by Noid

waswolice BTRs6-Mar-2009
Status: active
Aliases: Andy Clark
Email: removed
Address: 5110 6th Avenue N.W., Seattle, Washington 98107
Reporter: Noid



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He should have given me:
Chrono Trigger Super Nintendo Entertainment System (Cartridge Only).


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I gave him:
EarthBound Nintendo Entertainment System (Cartridge Only).


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What appears below is a literal "cut 'n' paste" of the GameTZ Offer Log History from our aforementioned trade. Any bold, italicized, or underlined characters, as well as hyperlinks, have been painstakingly included where appropriate. Reading from bottom to top, it follows everything: the inception with the original offer, the haggling with the counter-offer, the agreed-upon acceptance, and all communication throughout. That's right: every last jot and tittle. It's a good thing I leapt into action as quickly as I did, because now this trade -- and most all the communication within it -- has been mysteriously deleted! Though I clearly believe I am in the right, please view the evidence and judge for yourself. Enjoy! cool smile

Offer History Log:
When Who Message
on 6-Mar-2009 at 4:26am wolice there is no lapse in GAMES .. the "lapse" lies in the hardware ie. a nintendo system!!! you have no idea what you are talking about! NOW YOUR GOING TO PRETEND THAT YOU SENT ME THE GAME IN PRISTINE CONDITION!!!!!!!!!!! You are a liar and only you and me know it .... so your saying even if I send the game back your going to claim it was in a different condition than when it left you!!! LOL!!! THIS IS NOT HOMEBREW IT IS A PIRATED GAME AND IT IS AGAINST THE LAW!!!! I WILL ONLY SEND THE GAME BACK UPON RECEIPT OF THE COST COVERED FOR SHIPPING VIA PAYPAL!!! THIS IS YOUR FAULT FOR MISLEADING ME INTO THINKING THIS WAS AN OFFICIALLY LICENSED !!!!!!LEGAL!!!!!! GAME!!!!! YOU ARE IN THE WRONG AND IT IS A FEDERAL FELONY TO SELL PIRATED GAMES .. I LIVE A JUST HONEST LIFE INCLUDING FOLLOWING THE LAWS PUT IN PLACE!!! DONT YOU DARE SULK ME DOWN TO YOUR LEVEL BY SAYING I KNEW THIS WAS AN ILLEGAL GAME AND KNOWINGLY BOUGHT IT!!!! YOUR UNBELIEVABLE AND NOW EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!! SEND ME THE MONEY NOW SO I CAN RETUN THIS CRAPTY SLAPPED ON LABEL "FRAKENSTEIN CART" DO YOU OWN THE RIGHTS TO SELL THIS GAME??? NOOOOOOO!!!!!!! VERY ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

on 6-Mar-2009 at 4:10am Noid Tracking number: 0301 0120 0002 2631 1286
Your item was delivered at 11:46 am on March 05, 2009 in SEATTLE, WA 98107.
Processed, March 04, 2009, 10:53 am, FEDERAL WAY, WA 98003
Processed, March 02, 2009, 7:45 pm, DALLAS, TX 75260
Acceptance, March 02, 2009, 3:42 pm, DALLAS, TX 75218


You, sir, are absolutely unbelievable. shock

If you bothered to read the description, it clearly states that this game is a "home-brew" cartridge. That means it was never officially released by Nintendo Of America (NOA) and can only be played via a ridiculously overpriced prototype, home-made Frankenstein cartridge, or downloaded Internet ROM. Clearly mine is the second of the three. Which did you think it was? surprise

As far as the "legality" of the situation is concerned, you knew exactly what you offered to trade for and accept in this transaction; you're just as guilty as you claim I am. However, you're foolish to even put forth this argument. This title never received an official release, is almost twenty years old, and all copyrights to the Nintendo Entertainment System has since lapsed from NOA's possession. Next time you decide to cry foul, do your homework first. wry smile

Finally, let me assure you that my half of the trade was -- and, most likely, still is -- in excellent physical condition. I hold all my games to the absolute highest cosmetic standards. This claim is no doubt false: a sad addition to your ammunition of lies. frown

If you try to return my half of the trade, I can guarantee that two things will happen. First, I will refuse anything less than my original merchandise in the same condition I sent it and a complete and total refund for my cost of shipping: a USPS Domestic Postal Money Order in the amount of $2.77. Second, I will leave you with the worst possible GameTZ rating imaginable. Why, you ask? You completely cut off all communication after I confirmed that my half of the trade had been sent, you failed to confirm that you had received my half of the trade even though I specifically mentioned it, and -- after being "caught" by a GameTZ member who holds others accountable -- you literally "pulled out" of our trade the moment after receiving my half. Don't expect to come out of this smelling like a rose. >frown

Now, even with all this bitter frustration that you've clearly brought upon yourself, I still have faith that you will do the noble and proper thing and be a man of your word. Finish what you started and I promise that all this unsightly mess will be mere water under the bridge: I will leave you the highest praise on-and-offline. Remember, I didn't come to you; you came to me. I didn't ask to receive first; you asked this of me. Now, you've gotten what you wanted, so give me what you promised. smile

Obviously, it's your call. But, know that you'll have to live with whatever you decide. That's just life. cool smile

Respectfully & Sincerely,

Hunter E. Bryant
e-mail & shipping address withheld

on 6-Mar-2009 at 3:18am wolice Well since you seem to want to be cute and sarcastic as well as demanding in a point by point manner! I am sending you game back to you! not because your a prick and I will let all know not to deal with you! But because the game you sent me is not legal to own publish or sell without consent of Nintendo! This is a cheap knock off that sells for 25.00 on the internet! Also beyond the issue of being illegal, it is not as you described! The cartridge has two bleeding stains on the top of the label, and the contacts are in less than good condition as it is from a used donor cart! I am sending your game back to you and will leave it at this! "You will accept the game if you wish to avoid legal ramifications including involvement of you local police department on the matter of selling BOOTLEG GAMES!" I don't believe GameTZ wants users on there site trading in illegal goods!

Thanks again for your continued time, effort, and consideration in this matter. Everything is very much appreciated!

Respectfully & Sincerely,

Wolice

on 6-Mar-2009 at 2:40am Noid Tracking number: 0301 0120 0002 2631 1286

P.S. Go ahead and click on the action link that states, "I Have Received." Yes, that's right; you need to "update this trade to show that you have received your side." In fact, why haven't you done so already? Go ahead and do it now. >frown

Oh, and what five dust covers will you send with your half of the trade: NES or SNES? I asked this before, but you never gave me an answer. If I have a choice in the matter, I'd prefer three and two: respectively. smile

on 6-Mar-2009 at 2:33am Noid Tracking number: 0301 0120 0002 2631 1286

Alright! grin

According to the United States Postal Service (USPS) web site, my half of the trade "was delivered at 11:46 am on March 05, 2009 in SEATTLE, WA 98107." Well, well, well, it looks like someone can have refined grammar, tenured vocabulary, and even -- gasp! -- the occasional smattering of manners and not be a cheating, lying, parasite. Looks like you owe me an apology. winking raspberry

All joking aside, talk is cheap. I proved myself; now, you must do the same. Send your half of the trade by tomorrow -- Friday, March 6th, 2009 -- and, in the same day, provide me with the USPS Delivery Confirmation number before midnight. If I don't hear from you by then...well, that's not going to happen, is it? >smile

I look forward to reading the USPS Delivery Confirmation number to your half of the trade in your reply later today. Thanks again for your continued time, effort, and consideration in this matter. Everything is very much appreciated! cool smile

Respectfully & Sincerely,

Hunter E. Bryant
e-mail & shipping address withheld

on 3-Mar-2009 at 1:03am Noid I sent on 2-Mar-2009.
Tracking number: 0301 0120 0002 2631 1286

Just as promised, my half of the trade was sent today (Monday March 2nd, 2009) at approximately 3:45pm. The item was placed in a large, padded mailer and shipped via United States Postal Service (USPS) First Class Mail with USPS Delivery Confirmation. Though already mentioned, the USPS Delivery Confirmation number is 0301 0120 0002 2631 1286. smile

Go ahead and have everything all packed and ready to go. In a few days, you'll receive my half of the trade. Once you do, I don't want more than twenty-four hours to pass before sending your half of the trade. If more than a day goes by and I haven't received a USPS Delivery Confirmation, I will begin to worry. Please don't make me worry. wink

Well, that's about it! Once you receive my half of the trade, I look forward to reading your reply at your earliest convenience. Thanks again for all your time, effort, and consideration in this matter. Everything is very much appreciated! cool smile

Respectfully & Sincerely,

Hunter E. Bryant
e-mail & shipping address withheld

on 1-Mar-2009 at 6:53am Noid "You send first and you have a deal."

Alright, it's a deal. I must say, it's been an unusually uphill battle for this particular trade. However, it's quite often the hardest tasks that reveal the greatest rewards. wink

"You've got to understand that your verbosity is very commonly associated with those who wish to better themselves at the expense of others!"

Alright, I'll give you credit for finagling the word "verbosity" into a sentence. But, past that, you're dead wrong. A good vocabulary does not equal a dishonest intent. If anything, I'm the one taking a risk on you. >frown

I recently celebrated my eight year anniversary with GameTZ; you joined less than two weeks ago. I've completed eighteen very positive trades; you have only three. Do you see a pattern? Nevertheless, I'm willing to risk this trade just to prove you wrong. I don't know where you came to the conclusion that a broad lexicon and correct punctuation somehow translates to a liar and a thief, but you're about to receive a very "rude" awakening: expect a message with the tracking number to my half of the trade on the morning of Monday, March 2nd, 2009. >smile

"I will send you five dust covers to sweeten the deal upon arrival of your game."

You really didn't have to do that, but I definitely appreciate the gesture. Just out of curiosity, will they be NES or SNES dust covers? If possible, I could actually use a few more of the NES sleeves. Though, either type would be most welcome. grin

on 1-Mar-2009 at 6:13am Noid Noid's address:

Hunter E. Bryant
e-mail & shipping address withheld

on 1-Mar-2009 at 6:13am wolice wolice's address:

Andy Clark
shipping address & telephone number withheld

on 1-Mar-2009 at 6:13am wolice Pending trade created.

Offer Accepted
You send first and you have a deal... You have got to understand that your verbosity is very commonly associated with those who wish to better at the expense of others! I will send you 5 dust covers to sweeten the deal upon arrival of your game..

on 1-Mar-2009 at 5:04am Noid If necessary, I'll gladly send first. cool smile

on 1-Mar-2009 at 5:02am Noid Offer Accepted
"You have already been reported for fraudulent activity! Leave me alone!!"

What the heck, man!? You sent me a general offer. I replied with a more refined counter-offer. However, you declined it with absolutely no explanation. When I asked for the reasoning behind your actions, you claimed that I've been reported for "fraudulent activity" and demand that I leave you alone. This makes absolutely no sense at all! dead face

When have I been reported for fraudulent activity? Who made these claims, if not you? This is completely outrageous and I will not stand for such scurrilous and slanderous accusations! Furthermore, you have no right to ask me to leave you alone; you, sir, came to me: not the other way around!! >frown

Unfortunately, I fear we've somehow gotten off on the wrong foot. But, I want to fix this situation. I really do want to make things right. smile

I want to know why you rejected my counter-offer, why you felt no obligation to inform me, and why you've claimed that I've been reported for fraudulent activity. If we can resolve this tangled mess of poor communication, I still believe there's a chance for an amicable and equitable trade to blossom. Though, I could also be terribly, terribly wrong. rolls eyes

Whatever the reply, I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. Thanks again for your time, effort, and consideration in this matter. Everything is still very much appreciated! cool smile

Respectfully & Sincerely,

Hunter E. Bryant
e-mail & shipping address withheld

on 28-Feb-2009 at 8:06pm wolice Counter-Offer
Sending changed from: "wolice sends first" to: "other"
you have already been reported for fraudulent actvity! Leave me Alone!!!!

on 28-Feb-2009 at 7:59pm Noid Why did you decline the offer? Why not provide a counter-offer? Why didn't you even attach a message or reason when declining? What went wrong!?

on 28-Feb-2009 at 2:29pm wolice Offer Declined

on 28-Feb-2009 at 5:53am Noid Counter-Offer
Expires changed to: never
Shipping changed from: "Priority Mail" to: "First Class with Delivery Confirmation"
add:
I only ask to keep the dust cover.

add:
Chrono Trigger (Super Nintendo) [Condition: excellent; Box: no; Manual: no]
delete:
check my stuff! lots of rare and good games

"Check my stuff! I have lots of good and rare games." Wow, you certainly do! While there were many items that piqued my interest, I believe this trade is both fair and just. Hopefully, you will agree. smile

Please don't feel obliged to use United States Postal Service (USPS) Priority Mail; in my opinion, that's just an expensive waste of time. USPS First Class Mail is often just as fast and twice as cheap. All I ask is that you use purchase a tracking number for the parcel. It's a helpful means of showing your honesty and transparency to the other party. I, in turn, promise to ship via the exact same method. wink

I truly believe we can reach and amicable and equitable agreement to this potential transaction. Whatever the reply, I look forward to reading it at your earliest convenience. Thanks so much for your time, effort, and consideration in this matter. cool smile

Respectfully & Sincerely,

Hunter E. Bryant
e-mail & shipping address withheld

on 28-Feb-2009 at 2:32am wolice Offer Created



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Until I either receive reputable information that he's shipped his half of the trade, or my merchandise and refunded shipping cost in full, this Bad Trader Report will remain.

moogatog Has Written 1 Review BTRs13-Aug-2006
Status: active
Aliases: N/A
Email: thechipunks@yahoo.com
Emails: N/A
Address: 215 4th Street, Orlando, Florida 32824
Reporter: Noid



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He should have given me:
Kirby's Dream Land 3 Super Nintendo Entertainment System (Cartridge Only).
Sunset Riders Super Nintendo Entertainment System (Cartridge Only).
Super Bonk Super Nintendo Entertainment System (Cartridge Only).


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I gave him:
Guardian Heroes Sega Saturn (Disc Only).
Panzer Dragoon Sega Saturn (Disc Only).
Soviet Strike Sega Saturn (Disc Only).
Virtual On: Cyber Troopers Sega Saturn (Disc Only).


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We agreed that I would send first. Each of us was to send by United States Postal Service (U.S.P.S.) Priority Mail, and include U.S.P.S. DELIVERY CONFIRMATION. On the same day of sending the items, we were to exchange U.S.P.S. Delivery Confirmation numbers via e-mail. That way, we could track each other's items.

I fulfilled my portion of the agreement, and e-mailed him my U.S.P.S. Delivery Confirmation number the day I mailed my payment (U.S.P.S. Delivery Confirmation number: 0302 2940 0000 0382 8661).

It has been well over two months, and he STILL has not e-mailed with his U.S.P.S. Delivery Confirmation number. I fear the worst, and untill I either receive his U.S.P.S. Delivery Confirmation number or my merchandise in full, this Bad Trader Report will remain.


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(Expletive deleted), I want my stuff. Don't force me to take legal action, because, if need be, I WILL!!