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SweetyPie
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| | #1 posted July 8, 2005 at 6:16am (EST) |
As it stands, I'm currently a student at the University of Hawaii heading towards a bachelors in business management. I'm working full time for the summer and was just proposed a job working for a private airlines company back on my old island home on Kauai, HI.
The job pays $22/hour, with a full time scheduling of 40 hour weeks. However, I'd have to abandon whatever education I've acquired so far but I can probably pick up on it as long as the credits I earned don't expire or anything. The job requires CDL licensing which the company will train me for and for the job itself, it's basically just to refuel the jets and to do all the paperwork in that area of the jobsite.
I told myself that I would leave Kauai and not go back until I was completely through school but since this came up, I don't know what to do. It's really promising so I'm tempted. Grrrrrwar!
-The Cooler John
John - "I screwed up." | whitegreyblack
 
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| | #81 posted July 11, 2005 at 1:28pm (EST) |
ResqTek wrote:
> |>The other jobs you mentioned (driver, fireman) were
>> blue collar too. But, the degree you're working toward is white
> collar.
>> What do you see yourself as, blue or white?
>
> I am a firefighter and love my job but I dont consider it Blue Collar.
> Its avery tough job and requires a lot of skill. So I dont think blue
> collar is the term that should be used to represent a firefighters
> job. We take pride in what we do. A lot of people would take offense
> to that. Thats just my opinion.
>
>
>
I think a lot of people would take offense to you saying blue collar professions are easy and devoid of skillful workers... the blue collar professionals I know are damn proud to earn their way with skilled labor over technical/computer/pencil pushing/what-have-you. | CoachMcGuirk
  
| | #82 posted July 11, 2005 at 3:30pm (EST) |
Take the job, then start an web comic, a la Greg Dean of http://www.reallifecomics.com/
Need More Plastic
| rayzor6
 
| | #83 posted July 11, 2005 at 7:44pm (EST) |
mackey wrote:
> I feel like reading this and responding to it, I just don't have the time tonight.
> Will read+post tomorrow. I like life discussions, and I don't think that my
> age makes me unwise, I think that it's probably that the people like me aren't
> on the internet using GameTZ. They're out living life.
>
>
You're age doesn't make you unwise, it is your lack of experience. You *will* know more by the time you are age 30. And you will most likely remember people telling you things that you thought were bullcrap that you will begin to understand why they said that, even if you don't agree. It isn't an attack on your choices in life or experiences...it is just a matter of time spent on earth. For example, I don't know what kind of pressures a 60 year old man has....I can imagine what they would be, but I don't know. Crap, I might even laugh at them right now.
Also there is nothing wrong with you using Gametz...I wouldn't say that states you don't have a life. In fact, my only dog here is that no one will admit when they are wrong, but that is just like all the internet, I suppose.
Xbox Gamertag: rayzor6 Games: Halo 2, RB 6:3, RB 6:3 BA, Star Wars Battlefront, Mortal Kombat Deception, , Links 2004, Counterstrike, KUF:TC, GR, GR:IT, GR 2, Burnout 3, Splinter Cell: CT & PT, P Dust, Forza, UC, W.C. Poker, Rallisport2 | mackey
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| #84 posted July 11, 2005 at 8:03pm (EST)
edited July 11, 2005 at 8:07pm (EST) |
rayzor6 wrote:
> mackey wrote:
>> I feel like reading this and responding to it, I just don't have
> the time tonight.
>> Will read+post tomorrow. I like life discussions, and I don't think
> that my
>> age makes me unwise, I think that it's probably that the people
> like me aren't
>> on the internet using GameTZ. They're out living life.
>>
>>
>
> You're age doesn't make you unwise, it is your lack of experience.
> You *will* know more by the time you are age 30. And you will most
> likely remember people telling you things that you thought were bullcrap
> that you will begin to understand why they said that, even if you
> don't agree. It isn't an attack on your choices in life or experiences...it
> is just a matter of time spent on earth. For example, I don't know
> what kind of pressures a 60 year old man has....I can imagine what
> they would be, but I don't know. Crap, I might even laugh at them
> right now.
>
> Also there is nothing wrong with you using Gametz...I wouldn't say
> that states you don't have a life. In fact, my only dog here is
> that no one will admit when they are wrong, but that is just like
> all the internet, I suppose.
>
>
>
Just read your first post that I said I'd read, and read this one.
It's not that I personally won't admit to being wrong, but I don't think you were saying that to me. There are different ways to live, and there are no "correct choices". It's a game of chance. College graduates are begging for $7.00/hr jobs in this town--and I can't speak for the rest of the country. The job market is crap, and you can go fudge yourself with a diploma if you don't already have a job is the way it is.
I'm not happy, and I'm not enjoying life. This is because I'm hailing from a generation of these types of people, and to say I'm any different would be a lie. People forget there are no timeless truths in terms of school and jobs. How can you make predictions of what job options will be available in the future? To do so is downright foolish.
I won't have a family, just a wife. So no concern there. Car troubles? Fudging hilarious. Public transportation is usually available if you take your nose out of the sky.
It comes down to people in general being predisposed to the notion that they have to struggle to have a TV life, and never think about a gosh darn thing but their own microcosm.
The debt that comes from going to college in no way guarantees a way to overcome that debt. Scholarships and hoo-hah, fine whatever. Statistics--fantastic. If we were all statistics why the fudge bother living.
We're too bound by the idea of limiting ourselves for the sake of comfort. Yesterday someone used a hammer to bash out the keyhole on the passenger side of my car and stole all the stereo equipment inside. I have liability only insurance.
The lesson - never have anything worth caring about unless you can afford to insure it. Criminals inadvertantly keep the wheels of the insurance game greased rather well. A crapty society it is when so many people make a living on the insecurities of others.
I ramble.
The relevance of that is the struggle for a nice home, car, all the material bullcrap that you won't be buried with and certainly had better not define you is all pointless. Anyone can take it away at any moment. Tomorrow could be the day some absolutely insane butt-hole points a gun in your face and takes you down, just for the money in your wallet.
No one can offer a guarantee about how someone else's life will be. Everyone has their own opinion of what the way to go is.
People talk too much.
 | rayzor6
| | #85 posted July 11, 2005 at 8:24pm (EST) |
I was definitely not point the "no one admits when they are wrong" finger at you. It was a general statement based on my experience on this and other sites. I am glad you didn't take it that way.
I know that school/college isn't a guarantee. There is no guarantee. It just betters your chances. Unlike the main focus of this site: we get one chance to live and be happy. Everyone doesn't because they make up these reasons why they should even bother. Yes there are other alternatives to almost everything. I could use my 12 gauge to open my mailbox too, but there are better options. The key is finding the best option for you. Some people are happy getting food stamps, smoking off brand cigarettes and letting the TV be their window to the world. They will 'live' a life and make the same choices as I do for different things. They will also have kids who learn that is normal to live like this and have a good chance of repeating the same lifestyle.
I do think some people like to show off money. I like to get myself nice things, but I never show it off. I think you should honestly be able to enjoy your crap without having to rub it in someone's face. If you can't, you are really a piece of crap to drop money just to make someone else want what you have. For the most part, they don't even want it...they just think you are an butt-hole for assuming they want your crap.
"It comes down to people in general being predisposed to the notion that they have to struggle to have a TV life, and never think about a gosh darn thing but their own microcosm."
You should focus on your own microcosm. The TV life is a stupid thing to strive for. I see people on talk shows who are sometimes millions in debt because they wanted this image. You should strive for quality of life, not image. Back to the focus on your own microcosm. The reason you should is because that is the one thing you can control and make better. I could concentrate on world affairs and even go make a contribution to the efforts to better the situation. But I am not going to, as a realist. If you aren't willing to be that selfless, you should try to make yourself, your situation and your immediate environment better.
Money does come with a cost. It takes time, discipline and lots of stress sometimes. I am not trying to act like I am rolling in it. I do have alot more than when I was younger. I remember not having any and my wife and I trying to make it. It's hard. I would rather have this stress than trying to figure out how I am going to pay rent sometimes. Other people might not feel that stress. I guess it is all perspective, and what you value....what you fear most.
Xbox Gamertag: rayzor6 Games: Halo 2, RB 6:3, RB 6:3 BA, Star Wars Battlefront, Mortal Kombat Deception, , Links 2004, Counterstrike, KUF:TC, GR, GR:IT, GR 2, Burnout 3, Splinter Cell: CT & PT, P Dust, Forza, UC, W.C. Poker, Rallisport2 | SweetyPie
(abandoned)
| | #86 posted July 11, 2005 at 8:25pm (EST) |
I agree with a lot of what mackey says, minus a lot of the negative feeling it all holds. I'll never have to worry about outrageous insurance because I've always have a clean driving record until today and won't be buying myself any kind of "luxury" vehicles that would warrant any high costs.
I really try to disassociate myself with people that try to live their lives according to how much money they can invest in potentially worthless crap that they don't need in order to live until tomorrow.
>The debt that comes from going to college in no way guarantees a way to overcome that debt.
In reference to what mackey said there... This was my biggest concern when deciding to go to college in the first place. Sure there's risk involved with trying to find a job I'd like without a degree, but there's also a risk in finding a job I'd like WITH a degree as well. If I can find something I like and it doesn't require any kind of degree to get the job, I'll be kicking myself in the ass later on because of how much I'd be investing to go to college. To me, it's seeming more and more like too high of a risk to take the approach of being a full-time student rather than the productive end of things that I can achieve with a CDL license and experience that working now can offer.
The job market in Hawaii is a lot different than other parts of the country. I guess you'd have to live here to know exactly what I mean. The economy is, and has been for many years, driven by tourism and sugar production. College degrees aren't necessarily important for many jobs in both of these broad lines of work.
-The Cooler John
John - "I screwed up." | mackey
(frozen)
| #87 posted July 11, 2005 at 10:23pm (EST)
edited July 11, 2005 at 10:24pm (EST) |
rayzor6 wrote:
> I was definitely not point the "no one admits when they are wrong"
> finger at you. It was a general statement based on my experience
> on this and other sites. I am glad you didn't take it that way.
>
> I know that school/college isn't a guarantee. There is no guarantee.
> It just betters your chances. Unlike the main focus of this site:
> we get one chance to live and be happy. Everyone doesn't because
> they make up these reasons why they should even bother. Yes there
> are other alternatives to almost everything. I could use my 12 gauge
> to open my mailbox too, but there are better options.
^  Fudgein' touche.
> The key is finding the best option for you. Some people are happy getting food
> stamps, smoking off brand cigarettes and letting the TV be their window
> to the world. They will 'live' a life and make the same choices as
> I do for different things. They will also have kids who learn that
> is normal to live like this and have a good chance of repeating the
> same lifestyle.
>
> I do think some people like to show off money. I like to get myself
> nice things, but I never show it off. I think you should honestly
> be able to enjoy your crap without having to rub it in someone's face.
> If you can't, you are really a piece of crap to drop money just to
> make someone else want what you have. For the most part, they don't
> even want it...they just think you are an butt-hole for assuming they
> want your crap.
Not that you were coming anywhere near asking for my approval, but I agree.
>
> "It comes down to people in general being predisposed to the notion
> that they have to struggle to have a TV life, and never think about
> a gosh darn thing but their own microcosm."
>
> You should focus on your own microcosm. The TV life is a stupid thing
> to strive for. I see people on talk shows who are sometimes millions
> in debt because they wanted this image. You should strive for quality
> of life, not image. Back to the focus on your own microcosm. The
> reason you should is because that is the one thing you can control
> and make better. I could concentrate on world affairs and even go
> make a contribution to the efforts to better the situation. But I
> am not going to, as a realist. If you aren't willing to be that selfless,
> you should try to make yourself, your situation and your immediate
> environment better.
...I'm just not sure that I'm not ready to be that selfless. That's my struggle. Double negative. Right on.
>
> Money does come with a cost. It takes time, discipline and lots of
> stress sometimes. I am not trying to act like I am rolling in it.
> I do have alot more than when I was younger. I remember not having
> any and my wife and I trying to make it. It's hard. I would rather
> have this stress than trying to figure out how I am going to pay rent
> sometimes. Other people might not feel that stress. I guess it is
> all perspective, and what you value....what you fear most.
>
>
A fancy way of saying different strokes for different folks? 
| rayzor6
| | #88 posted July 11, 2005 at 10:52pm (EST) |
You bet....I sure as hell don't have all the answers...but I do know that you should be happy. You're young enough that you should be able to change what you need to change to get there. There is no such thing as pure happiness, but you should be able to get closer than "unhappy". Just don't waste the time I did in realizing that.
Xbox Gamertag: rayzor6 Games: Halo 2, RB 6:3, RB 6:3 BA, Star Wars Battlefront, Mortal Kombat Deception, , Links 2004, Counterstrike, KUF:TC, GR, GR:IT, GR 2, Burnout 3, Splinter Cell: CT & PT, P Dust, Forza, UC, W.C. Poker, Rallisport2 | Chad
 
| | #89 posted July 11, 2005 at 11:47pm (EST) |
ultimately money gives you one thing, and that is security. I am happy to know that if I lost my job I could take a year or two off without having to worry about how to make ends meet. I mean sure, you can get some fun crap too, but thats ultimately the bonus. My other main reason for money lust is so that when I decide to have a kid I can make sure they get the best to get all the advantages they could ask for.
In the end, though, this just comes down to what your bottom line outlook on life is. You want to live in Hawaii, and that, from what I can see, is your pirmary motivation. If working at this job is tolerable enough for you to do this, then by all means, take it. Personally, though, a job like that would just drain me away. I like continually improving myself every way I can, and a challenging job is one of the biggest since I spend nearly 1/3 of my week there. I can honestly say, that as of right now, if I won the mega millions jackpot at like $140,000,000 I would continue working this job (at least with how much I am enjoying it right now). Every day it puts challenges in front of me and I have to work to succeed. Nearly everyone I work with is better than me at what we do (a large portion of this is because they have been working at this job for 30 years and I have been working it for 5 months). Once I am as good as they are, I might not find this job as exhillerating as I do, but for now I wake up every morning happy to go work (with the exception of being hung over.... I don't like those days). If you can see this at this job, then the extra 50, 100, or 200% you could make else where has less relevance. You will find a way to survive on that amount of money. The question really comes down to will it allow you to thrive? | Knightmare
| | #90 posted July 12, 2005 at 12:09am (EST) |
McQueery wrote:
> Well it'd be one guy (a good friend of mine from high school) and
> a girl. It'd be me and the girl sleeping in one room and my friend
> in the other. I'll probably be paying 2/3 of the rent's cost to actually
> keep the extra bedroom for my own personal use.
>
NEVER live with a girl...unless she makes u dinner every night.
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| | #91 posted July 12, 2005 at 12:28am (EST) |
he just said they would be sleeping in the same room, thats better than dinner.
Graham cared. | bill
 
 
| | #92 posted July 12, 2005 at 7:47am (EST) |
money = bio-survival tickets. | |
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