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DummyP
  
| | #1 posted May 30, 2009 at 6:25pm (EST) |
me
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Grimlock
 
| | #241 posted June 26, 2009 at 4:22pm (EST) |
AND Stajan?
Way too much for a guy who had one terrific season and fizzled out at the end. He has too many problems to be worth that kind of package.
2008-2009 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS |
Suikoden
  
| | #242 posted June 26, 2009 at 5:27pm (EST) |
new rumor: Kessel and third round pick for Kaberla, as well as Dallas sending Niskanen and 8th pick for Kaberle
Also, talks of NYI taking Duschene 1st overall
At times,I hate to practice,but I love to play.I know I need to study and I know I need to practice and I know how important it is.That doesn't mean I have to like it. The question I have to ask myself is am I willing to do that?And the answer is yes |
mentalpowers
 
| | #243 posted June 26, 2009 at 5:33pm (EST) |
How much is Kaberle's cap hit? Is it enough less than what Kessel's would be for that to be worth it for the Bruins? It seems they think puck moving defense is their biggest weakness after that Carolina series. While I'd admit it was a problem, I think pure scoring is a bigger problem for them. |
Broccoli
| | #244 posted June 26, 2009 at 6:05pm (EST) |
TSN says the Bruins thought they were getting the #7 overall AND Kaberle... the Leafs thought they were Kessel and an unnamed draft pick for Kaberle alone.. TSN states deal is dead b/c of this major miscommunication. |
Grimlock
| | #245 posted June 26, 2009 at 6:06pm (EST) |
If they take Duschene first, they should be shot.
2008-2009 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS |
Grimlock
| | #246 posted June 26, 2009 at 6:06pm (EST) |
Broccoli wrote:
> TSN says the Bruins thought they were getting the #7 overall AND Kaberle...
> the Leafs thought they were Kessel and an unnamed draft pick for Kaberle
> alone.. TSN states deal is dead b/c of this major miscommunication.
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That's pretty hilarious.
2008-2009 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS |
OuTrAgE
| | #247 posted June 26, 2009 at 6:12pm (EST) |
Hahaha. Kessle for Kaberle straight up is probably the fairest deal, although Kessle is younger. If anybody gets anything more, it should be Boston, but just a little. Not the 7th pick.
Any predictions? Trades?
I'm saying the Isles take Taveres, Lightning take Hedmen, and Avs take Duchene. No major trades for any of those first 3 picks. I also see Lecavalier being traded.
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OuTrAgE
| | #248 posted June 26, 2009 at 7:06pm (EST) |
Pronger to Philly?
JVR + Gagne/Briere + Carle/Parent?
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OuTrAgE
| | #249 posted June 26, 2009 at 7:25pm (EST) |
Wow.
Lupul, Sbisa, 2 1sts for Pronger. No way they have the cap room for. They're going to have to trade/release Gagne or Briere.
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Grimlock
| | #250 posted June 26, 2009 at 8:54pm (EST) |
It doesn't help them.. Emery can't be their option for next season full-time. Granted, he could play for a while, but come playoffs, they'll end up exactly where they were.
2008-2009 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS |
Broccoli
| | #251 posted June 27, 2009 at 1:18am (EST) |
Briere is the most obvious guy to move.
But he's so 1 dimensional (smallish offensive guy + nothing else to offer), and his cap hit is so high, for so long... they will have trouble even finding a trading partner. And if they do, I think they'll still have to take some salary back. Once Briere is in his last 2 years of that contract, he'll be 36 + 37 years old.
Of course, I could be 100% wrong- there always seem to be a few dumbheaded trades every year. Maybe Philly gets good return and sheds his albatross cap hit/salary to LA or another team looking to make the jump.
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Broccoli
| #252 posted June 27, 2009 at 1:26am (EST)
edited June 27, 2009 at 1:27am (EST) |
Lots of speculation Minnesota is heavy on the Heatley bandwagon. After seeing the ginormous return for Pronger, does this seem too much?
If I were Ottawa, I'd try something like:
OTT
- Dany Heatley
MIN
- 1st rounder 2010 (top 5 protected)
- Josh Harding
- James Sheppard
- Derek Boogaard
- bit of salary back to Ottawa? (Anti Miettinen)
This would be great return for a top talent, and open a lot of cap space for Ottawa to still chase after top free agents like Bouwmeester or Hossa, etc. |
Grimlock
| | #253 posted June 27, 2009 at 1:41am (EST) |
Broccoli wrote:
> Lots of speculation Minnesota is heavy on the Heatley bandwagon. After
> seeing the ginormous return for Pronger, does this seem too much?
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> If I were Ottawa, I'd try something like:
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> OTT
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> - Dany Heatley
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> MIN
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> - 1st rounder 2010 (top 5 protected)
> - Josh Harding
> - James Sheppard
> - Derek Boogaard
> - bit of salary back to Ottawa? (Anti Miettinen)
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> This would be great return for a top talent, and open a lot of cap
> space for Ottawa to still chase after top free agents like Bouwmeester
> or Hossa, etc.
Not bad. Maybe a little heavy in favor of Ott.. but not bad.
Draft went exactly how I thought for the first few picks. Past Kane, everyone was a marginal player. A lot of speed.. Holland wasn't a bad pick.. everyone did OK.
I don't think Tavares will project to more than a 30 goal 40 assist guy. Everyone thinks he'll be better than Malkin or Crosby. I'm excited to see Hedman, though. Stamkos and Hedman are two heck of a players to reboot a franchise on.
I say move Vinny and start now. Problem is, Montreal has so many free agents, they are undecided how the team is be in the future. They better decide fast.. they don't have too much to work with.
2008-2009 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS |
Broccoli
| | #254 posted June 27, 2009 at 11:15am (EST) |
I haven't really heard anyone say Tavares is supposed to be better than Malkin or Crosby. Who has been saying that?
If anything, this past year Tavares has been knocked down a peg or two. After projecting as #1 for the past 2-3 years, this year Hedman (franchise D), and just the last 3 months or so even Duchene (complete player) have had lots of scouts saying they could turn out better than Tavares. Scouts have been watching Tavares for so long he just gets dissected to death. Tavares will be deadly on the powerplay- we'll have to see how he stacks up in 5 on 5.
For Lecavalier, I hope MTL gets him, but I hope they don't break the bank for him like was being projected at the trade deadline this past year. I just read Tampa was wanting to trade him so they could get to the cap floor? Is this team already trying to tank for next season?
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Broccoli
| | #255 posted June 27, 2009 at 11:16am (EST) |
Bouwmeester rights traded to Calgary.
If he signs, might the Flames try trading Phaneuf for Heatley? |
Grimlock
| | #256 posted June 27, 2009 at 11:19am (EST) |
They traded nothing for him..
Flyers were offering a lot and that's all they ended up with. Sweet Jesus.
That would be cool. Bouwmeester and Phaneuf on defense is pretty insane.
2008-2009 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS |
Broccoli
| | #257 posted June 27, 2009 at 11:27am (EST) |
Anyone else think the Leafs have been flat at this draft? Kadri is an okay pick I guess... you could see Burke shaking his head when LA annouced they picked B Schenn though. Clearly he had tried moving up for the other Schenn. You could see Burke trying to save face immediately after when talking about Kadri to TSN's analyst... he was trying too hard to make it seem like they always liked Kadri. Really he was trying to hide his disappointment that he couldn't move up.
I was hoping they could swing a deal for Evander Kane- he has it all- speed, skill, physical, toughness. I think he'll turn out amazing when he fills out in a couple years.
The clip showing Burke taking Kadri right after Bryan Murray asked about him was pretty funny. Murray's face is priceless. I thought the Leafs should've traded down though.. add another 2nd rounder by moving down a few spots. |
Grimlock
| | #258 posted June 27, 2009 at 11:32am (EST) |
Kadri is not the pick they need to start rebuilding. There were better values, even later.
2008-2009 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS |
sixteenvolt420
 
| | #259 posted June 27, 2009 at 3:27pm (EST) |
Looks like the pens picked up some players whose fathers had an nhl history:
Defensemen Philip Samuelsson (father, Ulf Samuelsson) and Alex Velischek (father, Randy Velischek) and center Andy Bathgate (grandfather, Andy Bathgate)
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OuTrAgE
| | #260 posted June 27, 2009 at 3:38pm (EST) |
Could of had that Landon Ferraro in the first, too.
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Grimlock
| | #261 posted June 27, 2009 at 5:43pm (EST) |
sixteenvolt420 wrote:
> Looks like the pens picked up some players whose fathers had an nhl
> history:
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> Defensemen Philip Samuelsson (father, Ulf Samuelsson) and Alex Velischek
> (father, Randy Velischek) and center Andy Bathgate (grandfather, Andy
> Bathgate)
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Yeah, I was fascinated by that. Great to see Ulf's kid with us.
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Ghaleon
| | #262 posted June 27, 2009 at 6:30pm (EST) |
Broccoli wrote:
> Anyone else think the Leafs have been flat at this draft? Kadri is
> an okay pick I guess... you could see Burke shaking his head when
> LA annouced they picked B Schenn though. Clearly he had tried moving
> up for the other Schenn. You could see Burke trying to save face immediately
> after when talking about Kadri to TSN's analyst... he was trying too
> hard to make it seem like they always liked Kadri. Really he was trying
> to hide his disappointment that he couldn't move up.
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> I was hoping they could swing a deal for Evander Kane- he has it all-
> speed, skill, physical, toughness. I think he'll turn out amazing
> when he fills out in a couple years.
>
> The clip showing Burke taking Kadri right after Bryan Murray asked
> about him was pretty funny. Murray's face is priceless. I thought
> the Leafs should've traded down though.. add another 2nd rounder by
> moving down a few spots.
The Leafs could of had that great D men Ryan Ellis. Defense is always good to build around. God know the Leafs need some.
Would of been nice to have 3 solid D men for the first time in years. Kaberle, Schenn and Ellis. |
Broccoli
| | #263 posted June 28, 2009 at 9:34am (EST) |
I'm not sold on Ellis being anything more than a power play guy. He's so small that 5 on 5 will be trouble. The scouts say he's pretty slow for a little guy too... |
Broccoli
| | #264 posted June 28, 2009 at 9:38am (EST) |
I thought the Leafs would take Cowen actually. Maybe they can sign Beauchemin in the off season. I guess the need for a quality young scoring forward was greater.
Actually this Leafs rebuild is going to happen sooo slow. They really need to tank it next year and hope they can grab Adam Hall. I don't see them competing for the playoffs for at least 2 more years, maybe 3. The Leafs have no identity or franchise player yet. Glad they held onto Luke Schenn though..
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Grimlock
| | #265 posted June 28, 2009 at 12:27pm (EST) |
You would have thought all those years with Sundin, they would have had people to take his place...
Nothing in the pot.
2008-2009 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS |
Broccoli
| #266 posted June 28, 2009 at 3:54pm (EST)
edited June 28, 2009 at 4:28pm (EST) |
That loser JF Ferguson Jr. screwed the Leafs. It's funny, when he was first hired as the Toronto GM, he stated he wanted to rebuild the farm system and get stronger for the future with drafting.
Here's how JFJ helped the Leafs future:
- traded Leafs 1st round pick goalie Tuuka Rask (arguably the #1 rated goalie prospects today) for humongous bust Andrew Raycroft
- traded 2 prospects, a 1st, + 2nd round pick for Brian Leetch to play about 1/4 of an NHL season in Toronto then bolt to Boston
- traded a 1st, 2nd + 4th round pick for Toskala and Mark Bell (later given away by the Leafs)
Then Cliff Fletcher traded a 2nd rounder for Grabovski- and who knows if he'll even be a Leaf next season.
The only respectable prospects the Leafs have, even including this 09 draft are:
- Nazem Kadri (just drafted 2 days ago)
- Tyler Bozak (just signed as a FA- but he's 23 years old already)
- Jiri Tlusty
- Luke Schenn (not really a prospect anymore, he's fulltime Leaf D now)
There's some others now that could become good NHL'ers one day, but nothing to get overly excited about, with other guys like:
- Anton Stralman
- Victor Stalberg
- Kenny Ryan (just drafted 2 days ago)
- Mikail Stefanovich
- Christian Hanson (just signed before the playoffs as a free agent)
- Jimmy Hayes
- Christopher DiDomenico
There's a chance these guys can become NHL regulars one day, but none are considered top flight prospects, and chances are some never become much more than depth guys. The Leafs honestly have 1 of the worst prospect pools in the entire NHL. I look at a team like LA or St. Louis with envy. The Leafs need about 3 years of losing to get the depth those teams have.
Absolutely dismal goatending depth. Surprising the Leafs didn't draft even 1 goalie this year.
Here is the entirety of the Leafs goaltending prospects: Pogge, Reimer, Rollheiser. None project to become regular NHL'ers at this point. If the Leafs are lucky, one of those guys might become a 3rd string goalie.
Trade bait for Burke this summer and through the next season:
- Tomas Kaberle (will net a nice package of picks/prospects)
- Pavel Kubina is likely a trade deadline guy. His salary is high so restricts most teams from affording him til late in the season. Hopefully Burke can get something good for him
- goalie Vesa Toskala will need to rebound from last year to have any trade value. Also, the Leafs would need the swedish goalie Gustavsson to sign in TO to consider trading Toskala.
- salary cap space. Burke has said he's willing to eat a contract or 2 in it means something of value comes along with it
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Mendo
BTRs
| | #267 posted June 28, 2009 at 4:06pm (EST) |
I think Toskala should stay. He had a really bad season but he was injured for the last bit of the season. I am sure he can bounce back and be a starting goaltender for the leafs. You are right about the rest though, toronto is in deep trouble. But never say never. At least they got people that care and will put effort into making this team better. So i hope.
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Finn
| | #268 posted June 28, 2009 at 4:59pm (EST) |
Beauchemin if he is to sign with a Canadian team would rather goto the Habs... he has a history there and is on record saying he would like to return. Even though I hate the leafs, I feel for you. Montreals farm system was a joke for years. Bad drafting/trades killed it. Gainey turned that around. So hopefully Burke can do it... but he is not dealing from a position of strenght and so far has been all talk. In all honesty I think Burk is overrated... he KILLED Vancouver before he left, and the team in Anhiem was pretty much already there... yah yah Pronger ... but he basically walked into that stanley cup. I just hope the leafs pull out of it... years and years of bad moves poor choices.... again I feel for you... Montreal was like that for almost 14 years. Its not fun, Hell we just now got a coach with actually NHL head coaching experiece! Have not seen that since Demers!! Even so Montreal still has a long way to go before we can call ourselves a cup contender. |
Ghaleon
| | #269 posted June 28, 2009 at 11:22pm (EST) |
Pavel Kubina needs to be kicked out of Toronto asap. Get a 2 and 3 round draft pick and be done with him. If he is even worth that.
Kaberle I believe is the only tier D-man that is available now, the others have been signed or are about to be signed.
If Beauchemin is ready to throw away a few years of his career in Montreal, that is his choice. I'm not saying Toronto is better, but unless he wins them a cup, he will be turned on and boo'ed, just like they did to Price.
Montreal is the scum of the NHL when it comes to fans. Totally classless. Been to 8 games live now, and seen 82 out of 82 games each year. |
Finn
| | #270 posted June 29, 2009 at 6:56am (EST) |
lol Wii... have you personally watched every fan at the game to pull this opinion out of your ass? I may not have been to 8 games, but I was at one back in '94 against Philly... and Classless is not the word I would describe! You have some pretty dumb fans yes, but they are not all that way!! Until you meet every Habs fan out there your opinion is false.
Funny you should say that about Beauchemin! If he went to TO he would be doing the samething! Unless your implying TO is somehow better then Montreal? When is the last time they even made the playoffs? I am not saying Montreal really has done all that much better... This year they crap the bed injuries and sloppy play killed them! BUT they now have a coach! a coach with NHL experiece! for the first time in along time!!! A new system is what Montreal needed badly! Guy was not the greatest coach... wich pains me to say.. but you simply can't juggle the lines as much as he did and expect to build chemistry. Montreal is still a highly skilled team, among the best passing teams in the NHL! But they have a lot of dead wait that I am really hoping they simply don't resign.
Koivu is done, pisses me off. The French media was hard on him he deserves to go play some hockey with his Brother in Minnesota while he can! The Kostysin brothers (sp?) I would be willing to give them one more year! But I absolutley love how hou can call All Habs fans classless! That would be like me saying all the Maple Leaf fans are stupid for supporting an ownership group that shows no interest in winning! But unlike you I don't have this "magic item" you use to somehow know what every fan of a paticular sporting franchise thinks or how he/she acts.
Now, about Price, he will show all his doubters this year. People are quick to jump on him! But he put up good numbers before he got hurt! My guess is he was not a 100% when he cameback and it hurt his confidence. He is a great talent and will bounce back. Montreal has some of the most pationate hockey fans in the world! Its the best place to play when times are good.. .but you have a very vocal minority that can make your life hell when times go bad. I will say minority as that is a much more accurate dipiction of this group of fans in Montreal. They are the Hockey version of the Soccer hooligan! I can't watch all the habs games every year! but I had watched around 30 games this year! What happened to Price was unfortunate. But that was hardly all the fans! It does not take many to sound very vocal in a buildng! I remember back in high school, about once a month the school would put a trip together and travel the 3 hours to go watch a Oilers game! keep in mind this was during the time when they did not pull in great crowds! We would go and sometimes see completly empty sections! With teams like TO, Montreal and Philly the crowd was almost like an away game for the oilers! It was really bad when TO or Montreal came into town! Leaf and Habs chants would be defining! You could hardly see Oiler fans! But when they would score Wow! it was crazy! They were the minority! yet they sounded like the building was full of Oiler fans! Now fast forward to today When the Habs come to Edmonton I go! and its completly different You see the odd Hab jersey but damn they are Vocal! They can easily drown out Oiler fans!
So unless you looked at all 21,000 + people in the stands you really can't judge all or most! It is a very vocal minority! Every team has them! On a side note, I would not call all Raptor fans classes because Boshe got booed.... again a vocal minority that gets focused on way to much! all your doing is feeding the beast! It gives the Majority of the Habs fans a bad name... and its a shame they were not louder.
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OuTrAgE
| | #271 posted June 30, 2009 at 8:29pm (EST) |
Gomez to the Habs for Higgins. It was actually a 6 player deal, but the other 4 are basically no-names.
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Mendo
BTRs
| | #272 posted June 30, 2009 at 8:59pm (EST) |
Shame for Montreal. I like Gomez but he can flop. Montreal needs someone better then that. Rangers on the way to signing Heatly? |
Grimlock
| | #273 posted June 30, 2009 at 10:30pm (EST) |
Heatley or Gaborik.
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Finn
| | #274 posted June 30, 2009 at 10:33pm (EST) |
The Rangers can't sign Heatly... and I am not sure they have enough to get him in trade when they want to go with youth!
Now I am not sure I like the Montreal trade! Gomez could use a change he never did fit in with the Rangers! BUT I am not happy with them trading Ryan McDonagh..... |
Grimlock
| | #275 posted June 30, 2009 at 10:35pm (EST) |
They have plenty. Grachev or Anisimov and a B prospect and a few picks is plenty.
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Finn
| | #276 posted June 30, 2009 at 10:40pm (EST) |
That and TSN is reporting Heatly is heading to Edmonton! |
Grimlock
| | #277 posted June 30, 2009 at 10:43pm (EST) |
CMON RANGERS, SIGN HOSSA.
I wanna beat him monthly.
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OuTrAgE
| | #278 posted June 30, 2009 at 10:43pm (EST) |
Last I heard, Detroit was close to resigning him.
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Finn
| | #279 posted June 30, 2009 at 10:54pm (EST) |
I really don't think that would be enough. He is one of 12 forwards that has averaged over 80 points a season since '04! People can call him whatever for requesting a trade but you know what we don't know what REALLY happened behind the closed doors! We can speculate but thats all. I would still love to have him. The package out of Edmonton is a far better offer! I like Penner! he will turn heads mark my words! MacT was useless! I would refuse to play if he was my coach also! That said I would love to see him stay in Edmonton as they now have an actual coach with NHL coaching experiece for the first time EVER not to mention an assistant coach that is more then capable of being a head coach!
I would really like to see him in Montreal! but I doubt that will happen.... I like him. Yah I was pleased to see that his signing with the wings blew up in his face! But he is one hell of a talent! |
Finn
| | #280 posted June 30, 2009 at 11:03pm (EST) |
OuTrAgE wrote:
> Last I heard, Detroit was close to resigning him.
>
Again not according to Spector.... but we will see. |
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