LiL_Ramsey wrote: > Here come the Marlins? Yeah, that loss to the Nats last night really
> put them in position to make their move.
Yep, battle of the 2 hottest NL east teams was won by the Nats. The marlins have all the pieces of a playoff team, minus the fan support. They've been in position all year, remember the hot start... 10 in a row or something... it's the same team. I didn't think they'd go undefeated.
Their hot start (10-1, 7 in a row) had 2 series against the Nats, and one against the Mets, and Braves. Not that impressive with how those teams have performed this season. They also lost 7 in a row right after that 10-1 start getting swept by the Pirates and Phillies. They're 9-7 since the break (including getting swept by the Phillies yet again), if they're going to get into the chase, 9-7 isn't going to cut it.
I went to the Mets game last night with a few friends, and I have to say first the seats we had in right center field were awsome. It was cool to watch the game from the outfield, since Shea never had those seats except the picnic ones. Took me almost 5 damn minutes just to find a concession stand that had pretzels, that was fudging annoying!
We actually left after the ninth although at the time I didn't want to, but when we heard in the car the Cards scored 5 runs in the 10th, we were very happy to have not seen it. But overall it was a good time for my first game at Citi, I really enjoyed it
refloc wrote: > I went to the Mets game last night with a few friends, and I have
> to say first the seats we had in right center field were awsome. It
> was cool to watch the game from the outfield, since Shea never had
> those seats except the picnic ones. Took me almost 5 damn minutes
> just to find a concession stand that had pretzels, that was fudging
> annoying! >
> We actually left after the ninth although at the time I didn't want
> to, but when we heard in the car the Cards scored 5 runs in the 10th,
> we were very happy to have not seen it. But overall it was a good
> time for my first game at Citi, I really enjoyed it
Yeah, for some reason....pretzels are hard to find there. Even at Shea they were as well.
#367 posted August 5, 2009 at 1:17pm (EST) edited August 5, 2009 at 1:19pm (EST)
LiL_Ramsey wrote: > Their hot start (10-1, 7 in a row) had 2 series against the Nats,
> and one against the Mets, and Braves. Not that impressive with how
> those teams have performed this season. They also lost 7 in a row
> right after that 10-1 start getting swept by the Pirates and Phillies.
> They're 9-7 since the break (including getting swept by the Phillies
> yet again), if they're going to get into the chase, 9-7 isn't going
> to cut it.
I have ESPN.com, tell something i don't know. I like to do this thing called "having a valid opinion" and see if it comes to fruition.
Couldn't disagree with me on that I like women part, could ya?
MrMaddness wrote: > classicrock909 wrote: >> i know hes good and all but the only ppl
> really giving good offence
>> for the cards right now is derossa and
> holliday
>
> And PUJOLS!
>
> How can you not include the best player in
> the game today?
Feeb wrote: > I have ESPN.com, tell something i don't know. I like to do this thing called
> "having a valid opinion" and see if it comes to fruition.
>
> Couldn't disagree with me on that I like women part, could ya?
Yeah, screw logic and statistics. Guess disagreeing with you, even with completely valid points, is out of the question.
classicrock909 wrote: > MrMaddness wrote: >> classicrock909 wrote: > |>> i know hes good and all but the only ppl
>> really giving good offence
> |>> for the cards right now is derossa and
>> holliday
>>
>> And PUJOLS!
>>
>> How can you not include the best player in
>> the game today?
>
> cuz since they got holliday he stinks
>
>
Really? The last week he's hitting .320 with 2 homers, 6 RBI and a 1.113 OPS.
He stinks.
I guess his 36 homers and 97 RBI stink too. And that 1.133 OPS on the season is terrible.
classicrock909 wrote: > MrMaddness wrote: >> classicrock909 wrote: > |>> i know hes good and all but the only ppl
>> really giving good offence
> |>> for the cards right now is derossa and
>> holliday
>>
>> And PUJOLS!
>>
>> How can you not include the best player in
>> the game today?
>
> cuz since they got holliday he stinks
>
>
Pujols is the best player in the game today. 5 RBI's yesterday plus two doubles today against the Mets in the past two games. Without him the Cardinals would suck throughout the past 5 or so years.
I read an SI article about him a few days ago that was pretty interesting. It essentially said that Pujols is off to the perfect career, as nobody in history has ever started their career with 9 consecutive seasons that can match up to his. They even had a hard time finding players that had any 9-year stretch like the start of his career has been. His worst season he hit .314 with 118 RBI's, and a .394/.955 OBP/OPS. Pretty absurd.
LiL_Ramsey wrote: > Feeb wrote: >> I have ESPN.com, tell something i don't know. I like to do this
> thing called
>> "having a valid opinion" and see if it comes to fruition.
>>
>> Couldn't disagree with me on that I like women part, could ya?
>
> Yeah, screw logic and statistics. Guess disagreeing with you, even
> with completely valid points, is out of the question.
Nah, actually I said screw regurgitating what someone already said. Statistics says the Marlins win the WS every 6 years, logic says they can win in this years NL east with the players they have. I said they'll be there in the end.... vague for a reason, because no matter I am right. Learn that one Mr. Absolute.
Lino wrote: > Marlins always make it interesting near the end... Josh Johnson and
> Nolasco are right up there with any #1/#2 pitcher in the league...
>
>
>
Stop defending a team that was just swept by the Nationals.
I wish they had traded for Halladay. The current team is just too inconsistent and two- to three-fifths of the rotation are now killing the bullpen, which no longer has a solid long relief guy.
kess wrote: > Lino wrote: >> Marlins always make it interesting near the end... Josh Johnson
> and
>> Nolasco are right up there with any #1/#2 pitcher in the league...
>>
>>
>>
>
> Stop defending a team that was just swept by the Nationals.
Fluke series. They were up 4-0 with Josh Johnson on the mound and found a way to give it away in the first game, then in the third game, they were up 6-0 and just assumed they could coast after that. Live and learn, young team, terrible manager, still many holes, but they get exciting around this time of the year.
mentalpowers wrote: > It's been a terrible stretch for the Red Sox.
>
> I wish they had traded for Halladay. The current team is just too
> inconsistent and two- to three-fifths of the rotation are now killing
> the bullpen, which no longer has a solid long relief guy.
Shoulda traded Clay Bucholz instead of Justin Masterson. Crap, I'da traded Dice-K instead of Masterson!
Feeb wrote: > I hate to see him pitch so poorly. I know it's all about winning now, fudge what he's done for your team...
"Now"? Maybe you're too young to remember players like Willie Mays and Hank Aaron getting traded in their final years.
SEspo wrote: > Yeah, that was atrocious. He's past his prime... by a decade.
Decade?? Totally untrue. In 2005-07, Smoltz went 14-7, 16-9, 14-8 with ERAs of 3.06, 3.49, 3.11, and topped 200 innings each year. The three years before that, he was one of the top closers in the league racking up 144 saves with a 2.47 ERA. Even last year, he had an ERA of 2.57 in 28 innings. In fact, his last bad year was 1994 and even that wasn't horrible (6-10, 4.14).
I hate to see Smoltz struggle as he was one of the good guys. But at 42, it looks like he may be done.
Ramsey wrote: > Feeb wrote: >> I hate to see him pitch so poorly. I know it's all about winning
> now, fudge what he's done for your team...
>
> "Now"? Maybe you're too young to remember players like Willie Mays
> and Hank Aaron getting traded in their final years.
|
I meant "now" as in in this moment, not that it was ever different, it was always about winning "now." I just think Smoltz is a perfect example of use em, lose em and bad mouth em.
Or, in my case, it's a perfect example of team success being more important than personal success. Baseball is a team sport, thusly I root for my team, not it's players individually, including the Hall of Famers (especially in today's game where players are constantly switching teams).
I appreciate everything Smoltzie did during his tenure in Atlanta, and I wished he had just hung it up and retired as a Brave, just like Glavine should. With that said, now that he's struggling, I'm glad the Braves were smart enough to let him go.
Feeb wrote: > Ramsey wrote: >> Feeb wrote: > |>> I hate to see him pitch so poorly. I know it's all about winning
>> now, fudge what he's done for your team...
>>
>> "Now"? Maybe you're too young to remember players like Willie Mays
>> and Hank Aaron getting traded in their final years.
>
> I meant "now" as in in this moment, not that it was ever different,
> it was always about winning "now." I just think Smoltz is a perfect
> example of use em, lose em and bad mouth em.
Ahh, sorry. I misunderstood how you were using "now". Makes more sense...umm...now.
I certainly can't fault the BoSox here as they didn't "use em" in this case. As for the Braves, it's a 2-way street, that loyalty thing. Every so often you will see a player give his team a home-team discount, but usually they are just as quick to leave as a team is to let a player go. Players perform and help their team, while earning a paycheck to compensate them for their time.
Glavine didn't show much loyalty when he left the Braves for their division rival, the Mets. I think it foolish of him to come back and expect to be treated differently. He gave them years of great service. They gave him millions of dollars and many years of playoff opportunities, including a WS ring. If he ever manages to make the HoF, he can partially thank the Braves for providing him with great teams he could win for., So yeah, loyalty goes both ways.
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