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sandpaperback
  
| | #1 posted November 4, 2009 at 8:21am (EST) |
For those who don't know, Maine was voting on repealing a law that legalized gay marriage earlier this year. The YES vote won, meaning that the law will be repealed.
I have never been so disappointed in my fellow citizens - which includes electing GWB for a second term. I mean, people actually just voted to take rights away from their neighbors. It makes me sick.
A co-worker posted something along the lines of when gay people finally do have the same rights, the people who opposed it are going to go down in the history books alongside the people who opposed ending segregation or giving women the right to vote. That's all well and good, but it doesn't change the fact that things are fudgeed up right now. |
Honker
| #41 posted November 4, 2009 at 2:51pm (EST)
edited November 4, 2009 at 3:05pm (EST) |
This is a homophobe freakazoid tearing apart the republican party
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guncrazy90
 
| | #42 posted November 4, 2009 at 3:06pm (EST) |
Eh, I'm not sure how to feel about this
Personally I think it's funny when people complain about something that was voted on. Democracy sucks eh?
Also, comparing gay "rights" to the segregation of minorities in this country is a joke
I think gay's need to work on at least getting "civil unions" legalized right now, as the conservatives have too much of a thing with the term "marriage". If civil unions and marriages promise the same rights, I don't see what the big deal is.
I wish they would just get rid of the idea of marriage all together and consider all partnerships civil unions, which would make everyone equal then I suppose
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Honker
| | #43 posted November 4, 2009 at 4:23pm (EST) |
I am homosexual and live in a small, rural, town.
Being homosexual isn't a "lifestyle". Maybe for some, but not for most. It is life, pure and simple.
I've had 4 relationships in my life and 2 committed suicide because they were afraid to come out of the closet, so to speak.
This whole issue is a human rights/constitutional rights issue and has NOTHING to do with democracy.
Well, other than homophobes using democracy to continue to take my human/constitutional rights from me.....
It has to do with self righteousness and fear.
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BoB
 
| | #44 posted November 4, 2009 at 4:56pm (EST) |
pics now
*meh |
guncrazy90
| | #45 posted November 4, 2009 at 5:07pm (EST) |
I don't understand why they committed suicide, homosexuality is generally accepted nowadays
Just because you can't have a legally binding marriage doesn't mean you aren't free to be together and whatnot
Pursuing "marriage" seems pointless to me, as it's that very term that is resulting in these failed elections for gays to obtain the legal benefits that straight couples do (As I mentioned earlier, christian/conservatives/etc have a problem with this religiously).
I'm not sure as to whether you believe in civil unions or not, but I would think that's the path homosexuals should try to take for their "rights"
From my memory, about 9 or 10 states have civil union (or something similar) laws. Again as I mentioned above, I feel that all "marriages", gay or straight, should be under these terms, as it removes the religious argument from the equation, especially since there is supposed to be separation between church and state in this country...
Also, I'm not sure what "human" rights are being taken away from you by not being able to have a legal document saying you are married. You are still free to love whomever you choose in this country
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Honker
| | #46 posted November 4, 2009 at 5:26pm (EST) |
Yes. I believe civil unions would solve the issue, particularly related to inheritance, property, end of life issues, insurance, and the like.
Regarding suicide, Broke Back Mountain is a good start. While more acceptable these days, it wasn't so 20+ years ago and it is still shunned by rural people. |
BoB
| | #47 posted November 4, 2009 at 5:30pm (EST) |
youre probly doing it wrong
*meh |
Honker
| | #48 posted November 4, 2009 at 5:34pm (EST) |
Teabagging?
No. We do that right.
Unlike the right.
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Hobmeister
 
| | #49 posted November 4, 2009 at 5:35pm (EST) |
ENIX wrote:
> DrizzDrizzDrizz wrote:
>> DR_SPOCK wrote:
> |>> I'm not sure whose posts are more disappointing, Reed's
> |>> or Enix's. On the one hand, Reed says a lot of stupid crap
> |>> over three posts. On the other, Enix isn't "a fan of gay
> |>> people," as if homosexuality is a sports team.
>>
>> I vote ENIX. Reed, we could have pretty much predicted him to post
>> like that...actually, I would expect worse. But ENIX's post reminds
>> me of people who say things like "I have absolutely nothing against
>> gay people, I'm all for freedom, as long as they keep their gayness
>> in the privacy of their homes"
>>
>>
>
> Way to take things literally there, guy.
>
> I don't give a crap how gay someone wants to be in private or all
> flamoyantly in public either, just don't try to gay rape me and I'm
> cool with your gayness. By "fan", I mean, I personally don't care
> for the gay lifestyle but to each his own. It like saying I don't
> care much for the PS3, but it's there and it's in my house...so be
> it. I got nothing wrong with gay people, but I don't go out of my
> way to get involved in gayness --that's all. This extends to other
> personal choices and lifestyles too, it's not just gay people; that
> just happens to be the topic of discussion.
>
> Seems like you're the one being judgmental about me and the way I
> feel about crap. What do you care? Even if I hated gay people, who
> cares as long as I don't act on that hatred.
>
>
I agree with ENIX. I think thats reasonable to say. Just because we dont out right hate gays, doesnt mean we have to be some gay rights activist as well. Whats wrong with being in between on the issue? I respect the right for gays to be gay but its not something I want to be involved in. To each to his/her own. If your gay just be respectful to other people who are straight and its all good. Some gay people seem to use there gayness as an excuss to do whatever they want and be perverted in public just cause they know they can get away with it. That is really all I have an issue with. |
emoryarts
| | #50 posted November 4, 2009 at 5:37pm (EST) |
^- Another Homophobe. |
Honker
| #51 posted November 4, 2009 at 5:41pm (EST)
edited November 4, 2009 at 5:42pm (EST) |
Hobmeister wrote:
> If your [sic] straight just be respectful
> to other people who are gay and its all good. Some straight people
> seem to use there straightness as an excuss [sic] to do whatever they want
Corrected for political correctness. |
Iced
| #52 posted November 4, 2009 at 5:46pm (EST)
edited November 4, 2009 at 5:46pm (EST) |
kokopelli wrote:
> Hobmeister wrote:
> |> If your [sic] straight just be respectful
>> to other people who are gay and its [sic] all good. Some straight
> people
>> seem to use there [sic] straightness as an excuss [sic] to do whatever
> they want
>
> Corrected for political correctness.
If you're gonna be a prick and [sic] someone, at least do it to completion.
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Honker
| | #53 posted November 4, 2009 at 5:47pm (EST) |
Thank you for correcting me. I try to learn from my mistakes. |
Hobmeister
| | #54 posted November 4, 2009 at 5:47pm (EST) |
you people hate being judged, why judge me? Its really just my opinion and I have a right to have one. And yes, kokopelli your right. It can go both ways. How is what I am saying not reasonable? I'm not really a homophobe, I'd never attack someone just cause they are gay. Like I was saying I have no problem with homosexuals but at the same time, I am not instantly some huge annoying activist pressuring my views on everyone. Let people think how they want to, just as long as they arnt hurting anyone. |
BoB
| | #55 posted November 4, 2009 at 5:49pm (EST) |
i honestly dont give a fudge about this issue.people are people and they all suck, fudge it.
*meh |
thatonedude
| | #56 posted November 4, 2009 at 5:50pm (EST) |
Being indifferent doesn't make you a homophobe. |
thatonedude
| | #57 posted November 4, 2009 at 5:52pm (EST) |
It's the lack of rights that bothers me and keeps me interested in keeping with the gay news. We are all human beings, whether you like the same gender or not and everyone should be granted equal status. |
Hobmeister
| #58 posted November 4, 2009 at 6:13pm (EST)
edited November 4, 2009 at 6:15pm (EST) |
true, good point. I think I really just have an issue with the whole annoying "im right, your wrong" mentallity, no matter what the issue may be. I just hate how each side has to attack each other just cause they are different. I hate to sound like jesus here but show your opposing side a little love and consideration. That gets you a lot more far then being a complete "a hole" to the other side. I know there are times when you definately need to put your foot down for an issue but there is way to go about with that.
And people do suck. Its all really just some ridiculous power struggle of opposing views. I think the whole gay rights activist thing is being exploited as a ploy to get the left side power. And yes, I know... the right side does crap too. I dont even really think anyone truely cares about anyone. Its a sad world. I know I am getting off topic here lol. Anyways, whether I disagree with what you are doing or maybe its even that I do not fully understand... it doesnt mean I nessicarily hate you. We all go through different experiences etc etc and its crazy to think we should all think the same. But eh... thats just me. |
Honker
| | #59 posted November 4, 2009 at 6:20pm (EST) |
+1 |
DrizzDrizzDrizz
| | #60 posted November 4, 2009 at 6:20pm (EST) |
I don't think you're a homophobe, Hobmeister. The only thing you wrote that struck me as a little odd was "Some gay people seem to use there gayness as an excuss to do whatever they want and be perverted in public just cause they know they can get away with it"....which I really don't think is the case.
I mean, I'm sure it happens that some people who are gay flaunt it excessively for attention, but I don't think being perverted in public is something they can really get away with....I mean, doesn't crap like that usually end in a beatdown? At the very least, probably a lot of heckling and verbal abuse. I just don't think many gay people feel their gayness is an excuse to be perverted in public. Unless you have a different definition of "perverted"...
Smile Now Cry Later |
BoB
| | #61 posted November 4, 2009 at 6:25pm (EST) |
i dunno i dont like people in general but i accept them how they are.
*meh |
DrizzDrizzDrizz
| | #62 posted November 4, 2009 at 6:29pm (EST) |
i'm with you on hating people, bobbo..........you piece of crap.
Smile Now Cry Later |
millenium_dare
 
| | #63 posted November 4, 2009 at 6:37pm (EST) |
kokopelli wrote:
> I am homosexual and live in a small, rural, town.
> I've had 4 relationships in my life
I assume these relationships were pursued while rebuilding the Westy and making hearty meals for your wife and children...SHEESH!
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Honker
| | #64 posted November 4, 2009 at 6:38pm (EST) |
I drive a Ford 150. My partner a Lexus. |
Hobmeister
| #65 posted November 4, 2009 at 6:38pm (EST)
edited November 4, 2009 at 10:00pm (EST) |
DrizzDrizzDrizz wrote:
> I don't think you're a homophobe, Hobmeister. The only thing you wrote
> that struck me as a little odd was "Some gay people seem to use there
> gayness as an excuss to do whatever they want and be perverted in
> public just cause they know they can get away with it"....which I
> really don't think is the case.
> I mean, I'm sure it happens that some people who are gay flaunt it
> excessively for attention, but I don't think being perverted in public
> is something they can really get away with....I mean, doesn't crap
> like that usually end in a beatdown? At the very least, probably a
> lot of heckling and verbal abuse. I just don't think many gay people
> feel their gayness is an excuse to be perverted in public. Unless
> you have a different definition of "perverted"...
>
>
>
now that I look back at what I typed, I realized I poorly worded that particular part of my post. Like someone else was saying in the above posts, for the most part homosexual people are generally accepted these days. I was just thinking that someone that is gay could possibly cry "hate crime" in public if someone opposed them. When really all the person could have been opposing was the fact that some people were getting raunchy in public. I just dont like the idea of someone abusing their rights. Which again, that really could go either way. How are you any better then the other side if you are doing that? So that is all I was meaning with that. Anyways, thats a good point Drizz. Now that I think about, it would prob go the way you were describing. |
Lino
| | #66 posted November 4, 2009 at 6:41pm (EST) |
Damn only 4 relationships? I thought being gay was all about sex all the time since, since you know, guys like to fudge
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millenium_dare
| | #67 posted November 4, 2009 at 6:43pm (EST) |
kokopelli wrote:
> I drive a Ford 150. My partner a Lexus.
Because she works for the government and makes a lot of money, right?
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DrizzDrizzDrizz
| | #68 posted November 4, 2009 at 6:43pm (EST) |
Typical male fear of commitment x 2 = fewer relationships ?
Smile Now Cry Later |
BoB
| #69 posted November 4, 2009 at 6:55pm (EST)
edited November 4, 2009 at 6:56pm (EST) |
i cant understand all these words
edit: what if i said "just dont be ugly to people who arent like you"?
*meh |
Honker
| | #70 posted November 4, 2009 at 7:00pm (EST) |
millenium_dare wrote:
> kokopelli wrote:
>> I drive a Ford 150. My partner a Lexus.
>
> Because she works for the government and makes a lot of money, right?
>
No.
My partner made money on Wallstreet and we chose to live in this community and run an historic hot springs resort. |
millenium_dare
| | #71 posted November 4, 2009 at 7:03pm (EST) |
kokopelli wrote:
> millenium_dare wrote:
>> kokopelli wrote:
> |>> I drive a Ford 150. My partner a Lexus.
>>
>> Because she works for the government and makes a lot of money,
> right?
>>
>
> No.
>
> My partner made money on Wallstreet and we chose to live in this community
> and run an historic hot springs resort.
So your partner is a capitalist pig who needs to be thrown in prison for the rest of his life for bringing our country one step closer to total collapse?
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Honker
| | #72 posted November 4, 2009 at 7:05pm (EST) |
Capitalism can be good.
Whoever said I was against capitalism? |
slugger
| #73 posted November 4, 2009 at 7:19pm (EST)
edited November 4, 2009 at 7:20pm (EST) |
I live in MA, but I stay in maine for the summers because we have a house there. I just don't get why people care about something that won't effect them enough to hurt other people by voting it down. I know a gay person in Maine where I fly and he feels dehumanized by this. It's basically a load of garbage. Anyways, I think the maine legislature will override this "people's veto." at least i heard somewhere that they were planning on that.
and i see you're from portland (OP). is it true that portland voted decisively NO? My guess is the old stubborn hicks in central/northern maine are who drove this referendum. |
ENIX
 
| | #74 posted November 4, 2009 at 7:20pm (EST) |
BoB wrote:
> yeah...GUY
>
> who says that?
>
I do, buddy. |
BoB
| | #75 posted November 4, 2009 at 7:24pm (EST) |
IM NOT YOUR BUDDY >>> PAL
*meh |
kirauzumaki
| | #76 posted November 4, 2009 at 7:35pm (EST) |
Until they allow polygamy (consensual, not the cult crap), Gay marriage can take a hike. And frankly you cannot discriminate on incest if you are going to allow gay marriage either. But somehow everyone always supports gay marriage, although logistically speaking the other two forms have been alot more common throughout history. But being pro gay is cool, and the other bad. |
BluePhoenix
| | #77 posted November 4, 2009 at 7:59pm (EST) |
millenium_dare wrote:
> So your partner is a capitalist pig who needs
> to be thrown in prison for the rest of his
> life for bringing our country one step closer
> to total collapse?
>
>
do you understand how wall street works? |
millenium_dare
| | #78 posted November 4, 2009 at 8:12pm (EST) |
BluePhoenix wrote:
> millenium_dare wrote:
>
>> So your partner is a capitalist pig who needs
>> to be thrown in prison for the rest of his
>> life for bringing our country one step closer
>> to total collapse?
>>
>>
>
> do you understand how wall street works?
yes
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sandpaperback
| | #79 posted November 4, 2009 at 8:43pm (EST) |
Reed: The difference between gay marriage and incestuous marriage is that incest is illegal, being gay isn't.
Slugger: Yes, I think you could probably draw a red line across the state and say the bottom half favored No while the top half favored Yes.
And to whoever said something about complaining about votes... I wasn't complaining about democracy at all. I was complaining about the outcome of the vote. Unfortunately, it didn't go the way I would have liked. I'm not saying we should change our government.
Finally, thanks to everyone for one of the most adult conversations I've seen around here.  |
kirauzumaki
| | #80 posted November 4, 2009 at 9:19pm (EST) |
^actually incest is not illegally everywhere
- and are you a fudging moron, you are criticizing one because it has been made illegal by the government, but in the case of the gays your are like oh my god you cant make it illegal; hypocrisy much - when you make argument above that of a grade schooler, then talk about having an adult conversation |
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