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Topic   Lin Sanity !!!!!!! Now NBA season discussion.

metsfan718
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* 15-Feb-2012(#1)
Opinions? I'm so hyped about this guy.

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rocharr17

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15-Feb-2012(#2)
He made an impressive three pointer at the last second against raptors.

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metsfan718
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15-Feb-2012(#3)
Yeah and it's like he knew he was going to make it. He timed in perfectly.
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15-Feb-2012(#4)
Yea dudes is a surprising point guard this season he kinda reminds me of tim tebow.

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Karaiya
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15-Feb-2012(#5)

I love everything about this kids and I am a Bulls fan! This has been my fav story all year.
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60sTrackStar
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15-Feb-2012(#6)
Great time to be a NY sports fan
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15-Feb-2012(#7)
Another win. That would be 6. 20 points, 7 assists in this one.

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Nick
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15-Feb-2012(#8)
Hype, that sir, is the key word.
metsfan718
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15-Feb-2012(#9)
Nick wrote:
> Hype, that sir, is the key word.

He had the most points in his first 5 games in NBA history. That's Something special.

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15-Feb-2012(#10)
It certainly has been a lot of fun to watch.

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jeywalker
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15-Feb-2012(#11)
He's doing this without Stoudemire and Carmelo in the lineup, we have to see how his role will change when those two are back into the lineup. For now he is definitely the new sensation, the media needs to forget that he's asian and just look at him as a basketball player, he has real skills.
Lino
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15-Feb-2012(#12)
As a Heat fan, I am reluctantly loving the crap out of this guy. Great story and great inspiration for a league that's littered with too many dog baby athletes.

Oh and fudge Mayweather, what a douche nozzle.


 * poker face *
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15-Feb-2012(#13)
As a basketball fan in general without being a fan of an NBA team I absolutely love this story.

Oh and...

jeywalker wrote:
> He's doing this without Stoudemire and Carmelo in the lineup, we have
> to see how his role will change when those two are back into the lineup.
> For now he is definitely the new sensation, the media needs to forget
> that he's asian and just look at him as a basketball player, he has
> real skills.

This.

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15-Feb-2012(#14)
rocharr17 wrote:
> Yea dudes is a surprising point guard this season he kinda reminds
> me of tim tebow.
>
>

reminds me nothing of tebow.

lin came out of nowhere and using skills normally expected of his position made a splash.

tebow has been known since he was in high school, failed at his positions traditional roles but had success in an unorthodox manner.


i hate the knicks and all new york teams. i hate the exposure they are given just by the fact they are in new york. still loving lin, though. the story is just too great and he is just too likable.
Josh
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15-Feb-2012(#15)
Amare played against the Raptors I'm pretty sure.

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whitefire
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15-Feb-2012(#16)
He went to Harvard.


remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."
Scorch
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15-Feb-2012(#17)
Love this kid, glad to see him do well. Exactly what Chad said... fudge everything about New York (though I don't hate the Knicks or Mets) but it's a great story and I hope he's the real deal and continues to play great when Melo comes back.
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15-Feb-2012(#18)
rocharr17 wrote:
> Yea dudes is a surprising point guard this season he kinda reminds
> me of tim tebow.
>
>

maybe thats because espn has a 15 minute loop of coverage comparing lin to tim tebow, and they run it once every hour on the hour.

i think its pretty typical, the warriors unload another great player for nothing, and he goes somewhere else and has great success
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15-Feb-2012(#19)
great story, amazing individual to come out of nowhere and play like an all-star. Not only because I'm a Knicks fan, but for him as an individual as well. He's a great story piece and hopefully will become an all-star in the future.



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Yazzinit wrote:
> NY>all of you scrubs


if NY:>all of the scrubs, why have the knicks not won a title in 39 years?

edit: i am not saying the knicks are lousy: they just added a load of talent: lin, baron davis, amare stoudamire, and ofc carmelo anthony, but let's face it, the knicks are not > than the rest of the league- at least not since 1973
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15-Feb-2012(#21)
I'll be impressed if the Knicks make it to the second round of the playoffs, until then it's whatever.


remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."
metsfan718
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15-Feb-2012(#22)
I love how he plays so hard. He had stitches hanging from his neck a few games ago and his arm was bleeding last night and he gets right back into the game. Very tough for a guy from Harvard.

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metsfan718 wrote:
> I love how he plays so hard. He had stitches hanging from his neck
> a few games ago and his arm was bleeding last night and he gets right
> back into the game. Very tough for a guy from Harvard.


why do you say 'for a guy from harvard'. you have to be tough minded just to get into harvard and even tougher to graduate. you make it sound like most ivy league athletes arent tough...
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15-Feb-2012(#24)
Knicks fan here.

Linsanity off the chain.
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15-Feb-2012(#25)
metsfan718 wrote:
> Nick wrote:
>> Hype, that sir, is the key word.
>
> He had the most points in his first 5 games in NBA history. That's
> Something special.
>
>

I think you meant first five starts. He's a second year player.

metsfan718
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15-Feb-2012(#26)
dracula wrote:
> metsfan718 wrote:
>> I love how he plays so hard. He had stitches hanging
> from his neck
>> a few games ago and his arm was bleeding last night and
> he gets right
>> back into the game. Very tough for a guy from Harvard.
>
>
>
> why do you say 'for a guy from harvard'. you have to be
> tough minded just to get into harvard and even tougher to
> graduate. you make it sound like most ivy league athletes
> arent tough...

Sure mentally they are tough but only a few players from Harvard made the NBA which shows his physical toughness and ability. This whole situation rarely happens. You have to be physical in the NBA and most Harvard players just dont have these type of intangibles to get into the league.


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metsfan718
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15-Feb-2012(#27)
antwaan wrote:
> metsfan718 wrote:
>> Nick wrote:
> |>> Hype, that sir, is the key word.
>>
>> He had the most points in his first 5 games in NBA history.
> That's
>> Something special.
>>
>>
>
> I think you meant first five starts. He's a second year
> player.
>
>
Yeah.


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CoachMcGuirk
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15-Feb-2012(#28)
If Jeremy Lin played for the Thunder, would ESPN even be talking about him?



thegutter111
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15-Feb-2012(#29)
reminds me of steve nash, small basketball minority whose awesome
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15-Feb-2012(#30)
CoachMcGuirk wrote:
> If Jeremy Lin played for the Thunder, would ESPN even be talking about
> him?
>

yes
metsfan718
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15-Feb-2012(#31)
Agreed.

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Josh
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15-Feb-2012(#32)
Considering that the last time I checked, the Thunder were the #1 team in the NBA then yes.

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15-Feb-2012(#33)
I figured it was about time for the Knicks fans to come out.
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15-Feb-2012(#34)
#linning
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16-Feb-2012(#35)
Kim Kardashian seems like she wants a piece of that. All over the news. lol
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16-Feb-2012(#36)
Lin Magic....

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MightySlacker
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18-Feb-2012(#39)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/n...

Srsly? And anyone else watch the Lakers game when they focused on a sign that said "The YELLOW MAMBA" like no one in the production truck got it?

Dave

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blackbird
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18-Feb-2012(#40)
MightySlacker wrote:
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> Srsly? And anyone else watch the Lakers game when they focused on
> a sign that said "The YELLOW MAMBA" like no one in the production
> truck got it?
>
> Dave
>
>
Honestly, that is wrong on so many levels. Imagine they used a black slur. We'd have Al Sharpton assembling his flock.
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That was on ESPN's website for one hour yesterday. They have since issued an apology

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Josh
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18-Feb-2012(#42)
Flash Lin the Pan?

That would have been a better title.
metsfan718
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19-Feb-2012(#43)
LIN SANITY!!!!!!!

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metsfan718
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19-Feb-2012(#44)
JR Smith looked good too.
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23-Feb-2012(#45)
I love him even more now...made Chalmers look like a defensive beast!
Scorch
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23-Feb-2012(#46)
WELP.
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23-Feb-2012(#47)
Knicks should trade Lin for Rondo.
Scorch
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23-Feb-2012(#48)
Knowing Ainge I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.
Lino
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24-Feb-2012(#49)
Knicks suck.

They should trade Carmelo and Tyson Chandler for Dwight Howard.


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metsfan718
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24-Feb-2012(#50)
Nobody is stopping the Heat this year.

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metsfan718 wrote:
> Nobody is stopping the Heat this year.


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thegreatest
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24-Feb-2012(#52)
Scots wrote:
> metsfan718 wrote:
>> Nobody is stopping the Heat this year.
>
> ...
>
>

Lebron will shut down Rose just like he did last year in the playoffs
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24-Feb-2012(#53)
Had to post that... but seriously, if I had to put money down, I would bet on the Heat as well. Having said that, I think the Bulls have realistic shot in a 7-game series due to their depth.

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thegreatest
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The heat with Battier and Cole and having Miller and Haslem healthy are just as deep as the Bulls if not deeper
Josh
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24-Feb-2012(#55)
Neither of them could beat the Thunder in a seven game series so who cares?
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24-Feb-2012(#56)
Josh wrote:
> Neither of them could beat the Thunder in a seven game series
> so who cares?

Man they sure are looking good. Besides the Bulls, They are by far the most entertaining team to watch, in my opinion.

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thegreatest
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24-Feb-2012(#57)
Josh wrote:
> Neither of them could beat the Thunder in a seven game series so who
> cares?

Until Westbrook tries to take over like last year and turns into Westbrick again. The Thunder also don't have anyone past the starting five.

I'd also take Lebron guarding Durant and Wade on Westbrook in a 7 game series. They can D up the 2 stars the Thunder have enough to get the W
Scorch
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24-Feb-2012(#58)
I would probably bet on the Heat. But everyone was saying this last year, too. LeBeta will probably choke again in the Finals, and Durant will have his first ring.
thegreatest
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24-Feb-2012(#59)
The Thunder aren't deep enough and are way too young.

The Heat just need time together and this year they are playing much better.
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24-Feb-2012(#60)
If the Bulls don't get by them, I'd sure love to see OKC beat them. I stay away from saying that one team WILL win. I think that if the Bulls can control the paint with Jo, Gibson, Asik, and Boozer, they'll have a good chance in a series.

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Josh
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24-Feb-2012(#61)
Durant can't be stopped. Lebron and Wade won't be able to get inside with Ibaka prowling around. Any shot they throw up will be slapped back in their faces.
jeywalker
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24-Feb-2012(#62)
thegreatest wrote:
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>
> Lebron will shut down Rose just like he did last year in the playoffs


Ummm, if you were actually watching the series you would know the refs were biased against Derrick Rose because he was getting fouled and hacked the entire series and the refs gave him no calls.
thegreatest
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24-Feb-2012(#63)
You can't blame referees. No basketball ref is any good and you would know that if you played the sport. You have to play through it and Rose can't against Lebron.
Josh
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24-Feb-2012(#64)
I love how one not even full series dictates what someone can or can't do.
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24-Feb-2012(#65)
Let us know when you're ready to take off your Lebron is king glasses and have a logical discussion.

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Scorch
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24-Feb-2012(#66)
How he king if no ring?
Josh
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24-Feb-2012(#67)
I'll bet he didn't even like LeCon when he was with Cleveland.
thegreatest
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24-Feb-2012(#68)
Me? I don't like Lebron. It is just a fact that Rose didn't do anything against him the playoffs last year.

I'm actually a Bulls fan, I am from IL after all, but I can admit that the Heat will beat them.
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24-Feb-2012(#69)
What good is saying that someone WILL beat someone? If we knew, it wouldn't be any fun to watch. Above, I even said that I would bet on the Heat if I had to bet. But I do think the Bulls have a realistic chance.

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thegreatest
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24-Feb-2012(#70)
It's called voicing an opinion. What good does it do to say the Heat MIGHT win?
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24-Feb-2012(#71)
I'll take OKC over Miami. When Miami has their bench in, they're a defensive liability.
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25-Feb-2012(#72)
Yazzinit wrote:
> It's the Heat's year. Chicago needs Boozer to stop being a bum, which
> is hard for him to do. Deng needs to get healthy too. OKC isn't deep
> enough in big men to stop any serious team. Collison is a bust, Ibaka
> is coming into form but it's there yet, and Perkins is having a horrible
> season. Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka, Harden isn't enough.
Boozbag is what I like to call him. He infuriates me and so does Noah but I like Noah's intensity.
jeywalker
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25-Feb-2012(#73)
LeBron is gonna go down as the most overhyped player in sports history, he simply cannot perform at the end of games that are close, he goes 3-pointer crazy or decides he doesn't want to shoot at all. Wade is a much better scorer and all-around player, yet LeBron gets all the attention. He couldn't even handle wearing a jersey number.
Lino
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25-Feb-2012(#74)
OKC is too young and inexperienced, and they don't have the depth that Miami has.


Miami can't even fit the league's top 3-pt shooter in their rotation (James Jones).

Mike Miller, Haslem, and Shane Battier are just now finding their groove both offensively and defensively. Mario Chalmers has become a big deal since his awesome finals showing, and rookie PG Norris Cole has already established himself as a legit contributer.

In a perfect world, Norris Cole would be rookie of the year. But he doesn't get enough minutes to get noticed, but as a Heat fan since day one, lemme tell you Cole is playing fudging awesome and has been a huge surprise.


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25-Feb-2012(#75)
jeywalker wrote:
> LeBron is gonna go down as the most overhyped player in sports history,
> he simply cannot perform at the end of games that are close, he goes
> 3-pointer crazy or decides he doesn't want to shoot at all. Wade is
> a much better scorer and all-around player, yet LeBron gets all the
> attention. He couldn't even handle wearing a jersey number.


it's a little bit early to write off lebron's entire career. the bulls didnt win any titles with jordan until phil jackson arrived in the 1990 to 1991 season. that said, the west is a much stronger conference (as usual) so while the heat's current streak is nice, they are still only one game over .500 against teams from the western conference.
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* 25-Feb-2012(#76)
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jeywalker
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25-Feb-2012(#77)
dracula wrote:
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>
>
> it's a little bit early to write off lebron's entire career. the
> bulls didnt win any titles with jordan until phil jackson arrived
> in the 1990 to 1991 season. that said, the west is a much stronger
> conference (as usual) so while the heat's current streak is nice,
> they are still only one game over .500 against teams from the western
> conference.


The difference with Michael Jordan is he wasn't even considered the best player on his team in college, James Worthy got all the attention UNC, and when Jordan got into the NBA there were already elite teams and the Bulls were just there. Michael Jordan wasn't instantly viewed as one of the greats like many players are now, he took the NBA by storm and created his legacy by himself, ESPN and other media outlets didn't hype this guy up, the very same guy who got cut on his high school basketball team.
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25-Feb-2012(#78)

OKC > Heat

that is all.



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25-Feb-2012(#79)
^Not with Russell "Turnover Machine" Westbrook, the top teams in the West are getting weaker, OKC has that youth advantage in the West.
thegreatest
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25-Feb-2012(#80)
Top point guards in the league in no particular order:

Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Russell Westbrook
Deron Williams
jeywalker
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25-Feb-2012(#81)
Steve Nash
Jason Kidd
Derrick Rose
Rajon Rondo
Deron Williams
Jeremy Lin (j/k)
thegreatest
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25-Feb-2012(#82)
Steve Nash isn't as good as he used to be and if I added a fifth it would have been Rondo, but due to the fact that he can't make a jump shot I left him off. I can't put him on any sort of best player list with that shot
jeywalker
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25-Feb-2012(#83)
He's 38 years old, leads the league in assists and is shooting over 50%, I can't blame him for not wanting to score like he used to, age plays a factor, but he still plays at an extremely high level, the same with Jason Kidd. Personally I'd take Nash and Kidd over the rest of the league's Point Guards.
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25-Feb-2012(#84)
Nash and Kidd over Paul, Williams, and Rose? LOL your opinion is no longer valid
60sTrackStar
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25-Feb-2012(#85)
no love for dwade?
jeywalker
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* 25-Feb-2012(#86)
Haha, that's fine, but if Deron Williams is so good, why are the Nets at the bottom of the East (btw, I'm a Nets fan)? If you are a "Top 5" point guard the team's record will show, Phoenix is 14 - 20 in the West but the Western Conference has a lot more depth and competition than the Eastern Conference teams, and Phoenix (like New Jersey) lack that complimentary player for Williams and Nash, I'd like to believe the Nets would have a better record if Brook Lopez didn't get injured, but that's speculation only.

And it's not like I said Paul, Rose or Williams suck, I said I would go with Nash or Kidd, despite their ages they still play at extremely high levels, Kidd helped lead his team to the title last year, do not discredit that.


EDIT::::: Dwyane Wade is a Shooting Guard.
thegreatest
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* 25-Feb-2012(#87)
Wade isn't a PG

The Mavs would've won the title easier with Barea starting at the point.

Nash has Shannon Brown, Grant Hill, Markieff Morris, and Jared Dudley. Williams best complimentary player is Kris Humphries. I think the Suns have a far superior team if you know who are on the rosters.

I understand that Nash and Kidd play fairly well but nowhere near Paul, Williams, Westbrook, or Rose
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* 25-Feb-2012(#88)
Stop pulling stuff out your ass, none of us knows if the Mavs would've won the title that way. Hell, it's more likely to say that if the Lakers didn't have off-the-court conflicts that Dallas would not have won that series against them.

You really believe Shannon Brown, Grant Hill, Mar-who Morris and Jared Bumley give the Suns a "far superior" team than NJ??? The Suns have nobody as well as the Nets, they only have good point guards, and Nash is doing his very best to keep the team respectable, hell, Phoenix went into rebuilding mode a couple of years ago and Nash still gives that team a fighting chance to make it to the Playoffs in the West. Deron Williams and the Nets are bottom-feeders in the lowly East where teams with sub-.500 records make the Playoffs every year. It's quite clear that Nash is doing a much better job than Deron Williams with similar team makeups but in a much more difficult conference. Teams that just miss the Playoffs in the West, take their records and put them in the East and they would be between 4 - 6 seeds.

http://www.nba.com/standings/2010/team_record_comp...
thegreatest
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* 25-Feb-2012(#89)
Do you remember what the Nets record was before they got Williams with the same team? Do you remember what the Suns record has been? Their rosters are relatively the same now besides the Nets adding Williams. The Suns have won several playoff series' because of Nash's surroundings. Basketball is a team sport and the Suns are a better team. Williams is a better player. PERIOD

And yes I believe Shannon Brown and everyone else I listed are better than who the Nets have.

I'd be willing to bet if it wasn't for the fact that Kidd has had a hall of fame career, Carlisle would have started Barea last year. He just didn't want to offend a HoF player. Right now the top 3 PG in the league are Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, and Deron Williams with Russell Westbrook in the mix.

EDIT: Those records don't mean anything other than Williams has a worse team. He was added at the trade deadline last year after the Nets had the worst start in league history. He led to a decent record after he got there
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25-Feb-2012(#90)
"Off the court conflicts" don't cause you to get swept lol. They were going to lose either way.
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25-Feb-2012(#91)
As someone who watches pretty much every Mavericks game -- they would have never won an NBA title with JJ Barea starting last year. That's funny.
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25-Feb-2012(#92)
No, I do not know the exact record the Nets had last season but it was pretty bad even after Williams got there, though that has to do with chemistry as well. No, no, no, the Suns were one of the best team's in the NBA as soon as Nash got there, you don't win two MVPs as a complimentary player, so stop it. I dunno how Williams is better than Nash, I'll say it again, Nash is 38 years old, how many players in the league are doing as well as he is at that age?

I give a very slight edge when it comes to Phoenix team over NJ's, as the Nets have quite a few bums on their team that should not be getting the time they do. Sheldon Williams, anyone?

The same thing goes for Jason Kidd, he is I believe the same age as Nash and plays very well in the NBA, if Kidd wasn't good I'm pretty sure he would've been coming off the bench.

And Josh, those conflicts do disrupt the team, especially when it involves a teammate sleeping with another teammate's wife.
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* 25-Feb-2012(#93)
DaveSGE wrote:
> As someone who watches pretty much every Mavericks game -- they would
> have never won an NBA title with JJ Barea starting last year. That's
> funny.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/727525-nba-fina...
http://www.npr.org/2011/05/21/136525471/the-nbas-j...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/mag...
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/06/jj...

I guess you didn't watch the finals last year. I can find more articles discussing it if you want


And the age of Nash is exactly why he isn't at that level anymore. 5 years ago when he was winning MVPs he was better but right now he is not.
DaveSGE

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25-Feb-2012(#94)
thegreatest wrote:
> DaveSGE wrote:
>> As someone who watches pretty much every Mavericks game -- they
> would
>> have never won an NBA title with JJ Barea starting last year. That's
>> funny.
>
>
> I guess you didn't watch the finals last year. I can find more articles
> discussing it if you want
>


LOL Thanks for proving my point... Each of those articles state how JJ Barea finally became a productive player and a difference maker in GAME FOUR of the NBA Finals.

We wouldn't have even been in the Final had he been the starting PG BEFORE that point.

The only reason Barea worked out so well in the NBA finals was because of how much his speed/size was a mismatch for the Heat's front court.

Dude was 1/10 from beyond the arc in the first four games of the Finals, lol.
thegreatest
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25-Feb-2012(#95)
That is because he didn't get an opportunity until then. A player just doesn't pull that out of his ass. He always had it, but couldn't show it because of Kidd
jeywalker
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25-Feb-2012(#96)
thegreatest, you still overlook one thing I said..... "Personally I'd take Nash and Kidd over the rest of the league's Point Guards"

Those articles don't say anything about Barea deserving to start over Jason Kidd, two seasons ago Kidd almost had a 20/20/20 game, a declining player should never be able to have that type of game, a history-making game.
DaveSGE

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25-Feb-2012(#97)
thegreatest wrote:
> That is because he didn't get an opportunity until then. A player
> just doesn't pull that out of his ass. He always had it, but couldn't
> show it because of Kidd


What are you talking about? He averaged OVER 20 minutes per game... That means he was on the court for half of the game EVERY game... How is that not being given the opportunity to be productive?

There is one easy way to end this entire argument --- If JJ Barea was the "answer" for the Dallas Mavericks at Point Guard... They wouldn't have let the midget walk to Minnesota. They would have re-signed him -- and they had the funds to do so.
thegreatest
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* 25-Feb-2012(#98)
And I will say again that is a stupid statement. Kidd is only averaging 5ppg and 5apg so he is out of the question.

Nash is playing well but I'd still take the other 3. Yes, Nash is playing well lol

Barea didn't want to come back because he didn't get enough minutes. 20mpg is not enough to show what you can do in the NBA
jeywalker
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25-Feb-2012(#99)
Jason Kidd is injured this season
Nash is still the leader of Phoenix, their best player hands-down
Barea getting the same minutes in Minnesota as he was in Dallas last year. 20 mpg is good for a backup in the NBA.
thegreatest
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25-Feb-2012(#100)
The bottom line is the age of those 2 stops me from taking them over the 3 I listed. In a head to head match up they couldn't keep up
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25-Feb-2012(#101)
LOL Barea didn't want to come back? The Mavericks didn't want to pay him the money he was requesting...he wasn't worth it and he's not good enough.

As pointed out, he's getting the same minutes in Minnesota. He's a career backup PG that is good for the change of pace and getting the defense back on its heels...that's it.
jeywalker
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25-Feb-2012(#102)
Deron Williams is only good for 10 wins in the East, that's such a high bar he is setting for himself. Please, Nash and Kidd are Hall of Famers, I doubt Deron Williams and Westbrook will make it there (as well as Rondo).

Jason Kidd's age didn't stop Dallas from winning the Finals. He had his career year in 3-pointers last season and is 3rd ALL TIME in 3-pointers made.
thegreatest
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* 25-Feb-2012(#103)
To say you would take them over Rose and Paul is ignorant. Rose is the defending MVP and Paul is arguably the best PG ever

I'll also throw this out there http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-110725/...
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25-Feb-2012(#104)
thegreatest wrote:
> To say you would take them over Rose and Paul is ignorant. Rose is
> the defending MVP and Paul is arguably the best PG ever
>


LOVE that article...

"Beckley Mason, HoopSpeak: There's a good chance Jose Juan Barea will be wildly overpaid when there's a new CBA. This is an example of perception versus production. Watching Barea carve up elite teams in the playoffs was impressive, but what about those ugly off games, those bricked layups and smothered possessions? He's not a starter, but he'll be valued as one come free agency."

Exactly.
thegreatest
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25-Feb-2012(#105)
Touche

I stand strong on Paul, Rose, and Williams being better than Nash and Kidd. Especially right now
jeywalker
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* 25-Feb-2012(#106)
Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas, John Stockton, Kevin Johnson, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, Nate Archibald, Walt Frazier and Oscar Robertson are better than Chris Paul.

You can argue now that Deron Williams, Rondo and Rose are better than him, and don't forget about Tony Parker and your boy Russell Westbrook. The odd man out in today's game is Andre Miller, he doesn't get the respect he deserves.
thegreatest
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25-Feb-2012(#107)
^No

Maybe Magic but that's it
jeywalker
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25-Feb-2012(#108)
Steve Nash is part of the 50/40/90% club, look it up. Numbers wise and skills wise Nash has them both.

Career-wise, Nash>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris Paul. Right now, Nash at 38 and Chris Paul at 26 FINALLY can be seen as better than an old man.
thegreatest
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25-Feb-2012(#109)
If numbers were all that mattered then Wilt Chamberlain would be considered the best player of all time.
jeywalker
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25-Feb-2012(#110)
Numbers are different for point guards because they aren't known history-wise to be the best scorers, lately the game has seen a lot more scoring point guards but the traditional point guard is pass first, shoot second.
thegreatest
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25-Feb-2012(#111)
I mean if you want to go by career averages Chris Paul averages 18.7ppg, 9.9aps, 2.4 steals, and 4.5rpb.

Nash - 14.5ppg, 8.6apg, 1.7 steals, and 3rpg.

Paul has a higher average in every category
jeywalker
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25-Feb-2012(#112)
Nash is better than Chris Paul as an NBA Player, you can't believe that Chris Paul is a better scorer than Nash?
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25-Feb-2012(#113)
Lol@annointing a 26-year old as the best at his position ever...

That's hilarious... 3-4 years does not make a career.
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25-Feb-2012(#114)
i hate it when people talk "best ever" and Bryant "Big country" Reeves isnt in the conversation.

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jeywalker
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25-Feb-2012(#115)
I actually had a "Big Country" Reeves jersey when I was younger.
thegutter111
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25-Feb-2012(#116)
Yeah the salvation army had em 2 for 1 for awhile.
thegreatest
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26-Feb-2012(#117)
DaveSGE wrote:
> Lol@annointing a 26-year old as the best at his position ever...
>
> That's hilarious... 3-4 years does not make a career.

I'm not the only one. ESPN has been saying Paul will go down as the best PG ever for a few years now. This is his 7th year btw.

And yes Chris Paul is a better scorer than Nash hands down. Nash has never been known as a scorer. He has never averaged more than 20ppg in a season.
metsfan718
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26-Feb-2012(#118)
thegreatest wrote:
> DaveSGE wrote:
>> Lol@annointing a 26-year old as the best at his position
> ever...
>>
>> That's hilarious... 3-4 years does not make a career.
>
> I'm not the only one. ESPN has been saying Paul will go
> down as the best PG ever for a few years now. This is his
> 7th year btw.
>
> And yes Chris Paul is a better scorer than Nash hands down.
> Nash has never been known as a scorer. He has never averaged
> more than 20ppg in a season.
ESPN does not know about half of the crap that they talk about so don't use them as a source



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26-Feb-2012(#119)
Are you saying the people on this site are more credible than analysts on ESPN? Knowing that most of them played in the NBA and know basketball way more than any of us?

You are all ignorant when it comes to basketball. I'm done in this thread
metsfan718
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26-Feb-2012(#120)
thegreatest wrote:
> Are you saying the people on this site are more credible
> than analysts on ESPN? Knowing that most of them played
> in the NBA and know basketball way more than any of us?
>
> You are all ignorant when it comes to basketball. I'm done
> in this thread

They are biased. Chris paul makes them money.


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thegreatest wrote:
> DaveSGE wrote:
>> Lol@annointing a 26-year old as the best at his position ever...
>>
>> That's hilarious... 3-4 years does not make a career.
>
> I'm not the only one. ESPN has been saying Paul will go down as the
> best PG ever for a few years now. This is his 7th year btw.


I want you to re-read this response of yours multiple times until you understand exactly what it means.

Then realize if Chris Paul tore every ligament in his knee getting out of bed tomorrow morning....nobody would list him in the Top 5.
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26-Feb-2012(#122)
thegreatest wrote:
> To say you would take them over Rose and Paul is ignorant. Rose is
> the defending MVP and Paul is arguably the best PG ever
>



its too soon to be calling paul the best PG ever. that isnt even up for debate. No, kidd is not better than rose or paul in 2012. in 2011 sure. Kidd's greatest asset has always been his court sense and making really good passes.

magic is the best point guard ever. isiah thomas was pretty good too.
metsfan718
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26-Feb-2012(#123)
Yeah come back to us in 10 years and you can say it. Many athletes who were great had their careers shortened due to unforeseen. Circumstances. The most recent example in the NBA is Yao Ming. In baseball you can look at Koufax. He was probably one of the best pitchers of all time but had injury problems which shortened his career.
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thegreatest
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26-Feb-2012(#124)
Sandy Koufax IS one of the best pitches of all time. He is in the HoF with 4 triple crowns. Playing a long career doesn't make you better.
DaveSGE

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26-Feb-2012(#125)
thegreatest wrote:
> Sandy Koufax IS one of the best pitches of all time. He is in the
> HoF with 4 triple crowns. Playing a long career doesn't make you better.


Yes it does... Durability is just as important as athleticism... Who cares if you shoot 100% from the field if I can only count on you for 82 games out of a 16 year career?

Ask Greg Oden if playing a long career matters and determines what type of player you are.
thegreatest
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* 26-Feb-2012(#126)
There is a difference between playing 1 season and 10, but there is no difference between playing 10 and 20. Ask Barry Sanders and Sandy Koufax.

Keep in mind Chris Paul is in his 7th season. He is at the point of that sort of discussion
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26-Feb-2012(#127)
thegreatest wrote:
> There is a difference between playing 1 season and 10, but there is
> no difference between playing 10 and 20. Ask Barry Sanders and Sandy
> Koufax.
>
> Keep in mind Chris Paul is in his 7th season. He is at the point of
> that sort of discussion


There is a huge difference between playing 10 seasons and 20 seasons when health is the factor.

Why would we ask Barry Sanders? He was perfectly healthy and rarely missed any games due to health. He was also on a record breaking pace when he retired.

Chris Paul has won 0 MVPs, 0 Offensive Player awards, 0 Titles, 0 statistical leader years, etc...

Those are things guys like John Stockton, Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, etc... would all be glad to throw down on the table when discussing the "greatest point guard" of all time.
DrizzDrizzDrizz
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26-Feb-2012(#128)
he's led the league in assists and steals multiple times

(though i do agree with your point and it's a bit weird it's even being discussed...obviously Paul might still get there one day but he's not even close now)


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thegreatest
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26-Feb-2012(#129)
Paul led the league in assists which is the only thing Steve Nash has done. I don't recall Magic leading the league in anything.

Barry Sanders played played 9 years and is still considered one of the best. He retired due to his knees and wasn't perfectly healthy. I was proving that playing longer doesn't make you the best. It is how you play
DrizzDrizzDrizz
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26-Feb-2012(#130)
thegreatest wrote:
> Paul led the league in assists which is the only thing Steve
> Nash has done. I don't recall Magic leading the league in
> anything.
>
> Barry Sanders played played 9 years and is still considered
> one of the best. He retired due to his knees and wasn't
> perfectly healthy. I was proving that playing longer doesn't
> make you the best. It is how you play

your recollection skills leave much to be desired

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thegreatest
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26-Feb-2012(#131)
Magic wouldn't have led the league in assists. John Stockton anyone? Assists was his only chance
DrizzDrizzDrizz
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26-Feb-2012(#132)
magic led the league in assists multiple times and is the nba's all time APG leader...


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* 26-Feb-2012(#133)
thegreatest wrote:
> Paul led the league in assists which is the only thing Steve Nash
> has done. I don't recall Magic leading the league in anything.
>
> Barry Sanders played played 9 years and is still considered one of
> the best. He retired due to his knees and wasn't perfectly healthy.
> I was proving that playing longer doesn't make you the best. It is
> how you play


Steve Nash's BACK-T0-BACK MVP trophies say "hello."

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Barry Sanders didn't retire due to his knees, lol. Barry Sanders retired because the Detroit Lions refused to trade him or grant him Free Agency to go to a winning organization because all Sanders wanted in his career was a Super Bowl.

"He left football healthy, having gained 15,269 rushing yards, 2,921 receiving yards, and 109 touchdowns (99 rushing and 10 receiving). He retired within striking distance of Walter Payton's career rushing mark of 16,726 yards. Only Payton and Emmitt Smith have rushed for more yards than Sanders."

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Sanders was on the cusp of breaking the rushing record in record timing and there was no doubt he was going to obliterate it had he continued to play. Sanders CHOSE to leave football early...not the other way around where health was a determining factor.

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Do you think Emmitt Smith would be talked about in the "Greatest RB of All Time" discussion if he didn't play so many seasons without injury allowing him to break Walter Payton's record? No, lol.

Durability is ridiculously important.
DrizzDrizzDrizz
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26-Feb-2012(#134)
4 times actually

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thegreatest
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26-Feb-2012(#135)
DrizzDrizzDrizz wrote:
> magic led the league in assists multiple times and is the nba's all
> time APG leader...
>
>
>

No...

http://www.nba.com/statistics/default_all_time_lea...
jeywalker
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26-Feb-2012(#137)
Anyone saw the dunk contest last night? The guy who dunked two balls at once should have won. Some of the dunks were basically the same but there were some gems as well (Chase Budinger's blindfold dunk wasn't one of them, he clearly could see as he changed directions).
DrizzDrizzDrizz
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26-Feb-2012(#138)
the guy who dunked two balls at once did win.

what the hell is going on in this topic

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DrizzDrizzDrizz
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26-Feb-2012(#139)
i saw all the dunks (didnt see which took multiple attempts and whatever so not the full impact), way too much "jump voer something/someone", the two-ball dunk was excellent, the glow in the dark woulda been cool if it was visible, and there were a few impressive dunks but overall, very uninspired. it's time to give the dunk contest a break...

and kevin hart sucked


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26-Feb-2012(#140)
The dunk contest sucked 10 years ago too. We're just used to all the crazy crap. Dunk contest will never be good again.
thegreatest
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26-Feb-2012(#141)
DrizzDrizzDrizz wrote:
>
>

He is the overall leader in assists per game not assists in a career. If you want to go by that Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, and Lebron James are the all time leaders in points.

And the dunk contest was scripted and relied on acting. What the hell was that crap?
DrizzDrizzDrizz
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26-Feb-2012(#142)
thegreatest wrote:
> DrizzDrizzDrizz wrote:
>>
>>
>
> He is the overall leader in assists per game not assists
> in a career. If you want to go by that Michael Jordan, Wilt
> Chamberlain, and Lebron James are the all time leaders in
> points.

my post said: "and is the nba's all time APG leader" which is literally what that means. just admit you were wrong to tell me I'm wrong, and let's move on



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DrizzDrizzDrizz
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26-Feb-2012(#143)
protip: APG isn't a weird name for total assists, the PG stands for per game.


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DaveSGE

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26-Feb-2012(#144)
DrizzDrizzDrizz wrote:
> protip: APG isn't a weird name for total assists, the PG stands for
> per game.
>
>
>


Lol...are you sure? /sarcasm
DrizzDrizzDrizz
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26-Feb-2012(#145)
thought it might help "thegreatest" to understand what's happening


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whitefire
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26-Feb-2012(#146)
I hate to say it as a Lakers fan, but I have to admit this looks like a Heat year.


remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."
jeywalker
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26-Feb-2012(#147)
@Drizz, I left for a bit near the end and my friend told me he (the 2-ball dunker) got jerked, I'm figuring he was pulling my chain.

When it comes to the dunk contest you gotta understand there is a limit on what the human body can achieve, last year's dunk contest was excellent and this year's was ok as well. There was too much jumping over things doing practically the same dunks, but the sticker dunk was extremely difficult, as was the side of the backboard, dunno about the glow in the dark one, the two-ball dunk was ridiculous, and the windmill dunk by Williams was cool because of the hangtime he got it on it. It's become very difficult to be creative because of certain dunks being performed in the past.

All those guys are real dunkers, I'm guessing since they don't have "star power" behind their names they aren't qualified to enter the dunk contest, Yazzinit?
DrizzDrizzDrizz
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26-Feb-2012(#148)
exactly, it's tougher each year to be creative, there's only so much that can be done (i still want a 720 dunk, get air up there in the nba if you need to)....but that's also why i think there needs to be a break, a couple of years...look what that break meant for the 2000 dunk contest, for example. These dunks are crazy but we've been spoiled...and all that ends up happening is crazy crap goes unappreciated


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jeywalker
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26-Feb-2012(#149)
I agree, but for now let this simmer until next year.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YDEqTPeKhc

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26-Feb-2012(#150)
all star game is gettin pretty good.
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27-Feb-2012(#151)
Lino wrote:
> OKC is too young and inexperienced, and they don't have the depth
> that Miami has.
>
> In a perfect world, Norris Cole would be rookie of the year. But he
> doesn't get enough minutes to get noticed, but as a Heat fan since
> day one, lemme tell you Cole is playing fudging awesome and has been
> a huge surprise.

I see you're looking through some Heat-colored lenses. ROFL, Norris Cole, Rookie of the Year.

OKC made the first-round 2 seasons ago and the West finals last year. They have the experience they need. They'll be just fine in the playoffs this year.
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27-Feb-2012(#152)
jeywalker wrote:
> ^Not with Russell "Turnover Machine" Westbrook, the top teams in the
> West are getting weaker, OKC has that youth advantage in the West.

I'll take Westbrook committing a few more turnovers than a PG should if it means he's getting triple-doubles. Deron Williams leads the league on turnovers for PGs, but I don't see anymore giving him crap about it. There isn't a PG in the league right now that is a triple-double threat every night. Everyone says he shoots too much and that's only because Kevin Durant is on the team. Westbrook is shooting 47% and is the highest scoring PG. I'm fine with my PG shooting often if that's his average percentage from the field.
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27-Feb-2012(#153)
A PG should be closer to 50% imo.


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27-Feb-2012(#154)
whitefire2984 wrote:
> A PG should be closer to 50% imo.

Uhh, no. It's insane for a PG to shoot that percentage. The elite PGs in the NBA don't shoot that. Maybe in HS that's possible. Of individuals that matter and shoot enough, only Steve Nash and Mario Chalmers are above 50% and they aren't even elite. I'll be happy if my starting PG is at 45%
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* 27-Feb-2012(#155)
Sun wrote:
> whitefire2984 wrote:
>> A PG should be closer to 50% imo.
>
> Uhh, no. It's insane for a PG to shoot that percentage. The elite
> PGs in the NBA don't shoot that. Maybe in HS that's possible. Of
> individuals that matter and shoot enough, only Steve Nash and Mario
> Chalmers are above 50% and they aren't even elite. I'll be happy
> if my starting PG is at 45%


Steve Nash has shot that the last 7 of 8 years, no clue how you can disqualify him from being "elite."
whitefire
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27-Feb-2012(#156)
Sun wrote:
> whitefire2984 wrote:
>> A PG should be closer to 50% imo.
>
> Uhh, no. It's insane for a PG to shoot that percentage. The elite
> PGs in the NBA don't shoot that. Maybe in HS that's possible. Of
> individuals that matter and shoot enough, only Steve Nash and Mario
> Chalmers are above 50% and they aren't even elite. I'll be happy
> if my starting PG is at 45%

That's just because point guards don't fill their roles properly anymore. Historically many of the great point guards were right around 50%.



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Lino
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27-Feb-2012(#157)
Sun wrote:
> Lino wrote:
>> OKC is too young and inexperienced, and they don't have the depth
>> that Miami has.
> |>
>> In a perfect world, Norris Cole would be rookie of the year. But
> he
>> doesn't get enough minutes to get noticed, but as a Heat fan since
>> day one, lemme tell you Cole is playing fudging awesome and has
> been
>> a huge surprise.
>
> I see you're looking through some Heat-colored lenses. ROFL, Norris
> Cole, Rookie of the Year.
>

Apparent that you haven't watched many heat games, tho. Obviously, he won't win, which *is* what I said. But if he were given equal minutes to the Kyrie Ervings, Rubios, whoever, he'd outperform them. Put your crosshairs on him when you watch a Heat game, I'm telling you...

Just like Chalmers, they're both playing very mature and are like the two most confident guys on the team, the PG's.

> OKC made the first-round 2 seasons ago and the West finals last year.
> They have the experience they need. They'll be just fine in the
> playoffs this year.

They will be, for sure.. But they're not the more experienced team when you compare them to Miami. Aside from Perkins, no one's gotten far enough. I think the Lakers still take the west anyway, imo and if OKC has to got thru a San Antonio series, that's gonna beat them the fudge up even if they get through it. I'd love to see an OKC-MIA finals, that would be fun. MIA in 6.



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27-Feb-2012(#158)
Lino, how can you have any faith in Miami with LeBron on the team, they may reach the Finals again this year, and if they end up facing OKC, it will be over in 6 but with OKC winning. LeBron doesn't even have the confidence to take the last shot in the All-Star game last night, it doesn't make a difference if it's for fun or for all the marbles, that man does not have the will to take the last shot to win/tie, it's not going to change ever.
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27-Feb-2012(#159)
I love how everyone has counted the Mavericks out of it entirely due to their sluggish start. Fact is, their defense has been better without Tyson Chandler (surprisingly) and Dirk has returned to form after being given that week rest...I wouldnt count them out at all.
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27-Feb-2012(#160)
DaveSGE wrote:
> Steve Nash has shot that the last 7 of 8 years, no clue how you can
> disqualify him from being "elite."

He WAS elite. Age has caught up to him. He's not longer durable and he never was a great defender.
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27-Feb-2012(#161)
Lino wrote:
> Apparent that you haven't watched many heat games, tho. Obviously,
> he won't win, which *is* what I said. But if he were given equal minutes
> to the Kyrie Ervings, Rubios, whoever, he'd outperform them. Put your
> crosshairs on him when you watch a Heat game, I'm telling you...
>
> Just like Chalmers, they're both playing very mature and are like
> the two most confident guys on the team, the PG's.

If he was better than Chalmers and Irving, it would show.
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* 27-Feb-2012(#162)
Sun wrote:
> DaveSGE wrote:
>> Steve Nash has shot that the last 7 of 8 years, no clue how you
> can
>> disqualify him from being "elite."
>
> He WAS elite. Age has caught up to him. He's not longer durable
> and he never was a great defender.


Yet he is still shooting 50%+ AND leads the league in assists, lol.

Not to mention, he is shooting at a higher percentage than any other year of is career.
Lino
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28-Feb-2012(#163)
Sun wrote:
> Lino wrote:
>> Apparent that you haven't watched many heat games, tho. Obviously,
>> he won't win, which *is* what I said. But if he were given equal
> minutes
>> to the Kyrie Ervings, Rubios, whoever, he'd outperform them. Put
> your
>> crosshairs on him when you watch a Heat game, I'm telling you...
>
>>
>> Just like Chalmers, they're both playing very mature and are like
>> the two most confident guys on the team, the PG's.
>
> If he was better than Chalmers and Irving, it would show.

Kinda my point, it *IS* showing. He's friggin awesome, pay attention next time you watch a game, he's gonna be great in a few years. It's fun!


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Lino
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28-Feb-2012(#164)
jeywalker wrote:
> Lino, how can you have any faith in Miami with LeBron on the team,
> they may reach the Finals again this year, and if they end up facing
> OKC, it will be over in 6 but with OKC winning. LeBron doesn't even
> have the confidence to take the last shot in the All-Star game last
> night, it doesn't make a difference if it's for fun or for all the
> marbles, that man does not have the will to take the last shot to
> win/tie, it's not going to change ever.

I feel pretty confident with Lebron on the team.

Afterall, he's a good basketball player. He likes to shoot to make points and runs real fast when people are chasing him. When he jumps to make a slamdunk, all the fans are happy. And so am I.



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28-Feb-2012(#165)
Thread title changed lol.

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4-Mar-2012(#166)
Rondo with 18 points, 17 rebounds and 20 assists today.
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4-Mar-2012(#167)
Swear to god i dont give a crap if Rondo has 'off the court issues' as this game showed it obviously doesnt affect his play. no excuse for ainge to get rid of him. That kid is the Celtics' future.
dissapointed i was only able to catch the beginning of the second quarter on tv and the last minute+overtime on the radio in the car.
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5-Mar-2012(#168)
They should never trade Rondo. The Celtics would be a lot worse.

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Lino
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6-Mar-2012(#169)
Imagine if Ainge never got rid of Kendrick Perkins? Wtf was he thinking?


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6-Mar-2012(#170)
Lossing Perk to free agency during the summer wouldve been worth it cause they wouldve actually been able to compete past the first round, they were dominating until they lost Perk. Meanwhile Kristic isnt even in the NBA anymore and Green is out for a year for heart surgery. Great.
Karaiya
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6-Mar-2012(#171)
People give Ainge too much credit. He built one championship team but no dynasty and Rondo wasn't even the main factor. This kid is capable of some great stuff, but he is not a superstar. The Celtics system is what he is benefiting from. I'd much rather trade Rondo, and dismantle that team and rebuild through the draft. I just don't think there is enough talent to rebuild that roster from where it is now. Especially with what he has to bargain with. I suppose he could trade for some talent but there are team who would love those veterans. Chicago could use a shooting guard like Pierce and other teams could take those pieces, but in exchange for what. I have a feeling if he keeps Rondo that team is doomed to NBA playoff oblivian where there to good to get draft picks and not good enough to get out of the second round or make the playoffs. (which will be the case in a couple of years.)
Lino
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6-Mar-2012(#172)
I keep hearing Ray Allen to the Clippers. That'd be a sick piece to add....


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6-Mar-2012(#173)
They would be pretty nasty if they got him.
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* 11-Mar-2012(#174)
I see I was right on the Jeremy Lin craze. They played a bunch of Lottery pick contestants, got the city of NY rowdy, sold tickets and jerseys, and then they play a bunch of playoff teams and are on a 5 game losing streak. NICE!  * yes *
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11-Mar-2012(#175)
It's not Lin's fault. The team sucks dick.
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11-Mar-2012(#176)
 * frown * I knew it was eventually going to die down but it was fun for NY while it lasted. I agree the Knicks definitely cashed in on this.

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11-Mar-2012(#177)
SEspo wrote:
> It's not Lin's fault. The team sucks dick.
Yeah. I think Melo is a cancer and changes how the team plays.

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11-Mar-2012(#178)
Melo 22 pts 9 rebounds, 1 turnover
Lin 14 pts 7 assists and 6 turnovers

Philly scored 17 points off turnovers......Just saying.....
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11-Mar-2012(#179)
Oh yeah.....PG Lou Williams 28 pts. PG Jrue Holliday 8 pts for a total of 36 point

SF and All-Star Andre Iguodala 19 pts (played all but about 8 minutes).
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11-Mar-2012(#180)
It's not Carmello Anthony. It's Jeremy Lin's turnovers and Amare Stoudemire's lack of big boy presents. 9 pts and 5 rebounds for a PF? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???????
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11-Mar-2012(#181)
It is Carmelo and everyone else. It's Carmelo in Dantoni's system. Carmelo was 5/13. He had most of more than half his points at the free throw line.

Stoudemire is washed out and he needs to go. I'm not saying Lin isn't a problem, because he hasn't been playing well either.

Not to mention the Knicks can't play defense.
60sTrackStar
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11-Mar-2012(#182)
It's definitely melo
Ball movement goes dead whenever melo gets the ball, the players just stand there and wait for him to shoot. Melo also plays almost no defense as he's clearly shown
D'antoni is gonna get fired after this year most likely. He's doing a terrible coaching job although he seems indifferent about the fact. He knows the players don't have the motivation especially melo and stat to play consistently.
Lin is still new to the game so he's still in the learning process. Melo on the otherhand has no excuse for being so lazy.
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11-Mar-2012(#183)
60sTrackStar wrote:
> It's definitely melo
> Ball movement goes dead whenever melo gets the ball, the players just
> stand there and wait for him to shoot. Melo also plays almost no defense
> as he's clearly shown
> D'antoni is gonna get fired after this year most likely. He's doing
> a terrible coaching job although he seems indifferent about the fact.
> He knows the players don't have the motivation especially melo and
> stat to play consistently.
> Lin is still new to the game so he's still in the learning process.
> Melo on the otherhand has no excuse for being so lazy.

Wait a second, the teammates stop moving when Melo has the ball? That is Melo's fault that teammates stop playing offense? Are you kidding me? They lost by 14. 17 points were scored off turnovers, and half of those were by Lin. Lin's turnovers and Stoudemire's lack of doing anything is the problem.
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11-Mar-2012(#184)
Please stop defending Melo. Did you even watch the game? He played like crap as did Lin. Lin did awesome against the Bucks. Melo played average. The reason the Knicks stop moving is because Melo is being selfish again.
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11-Mar-2012(#185)
Basically, the whole team sucks right now. Not just Lin or Amare. Amare IS a joke right now though. No knees.
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11-Mar-2012(#186)
Evan Turners a beast.
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The kicks were a better team with just Stat. Look at the record after the Melo trade. Its mind boggling.
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11-Mar-2012(#188)
Melo is a cancer.
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11-Mar-2012(#189)
Melo = All-NBA player and All-Star. 22 Points, 9 rebounds. Bring him to Cleveland. I'd love to have him play with a REAL point guard.
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11-Mar-2012(#190)
The Knicks are just frauds. That franchise has been a circus for a decade now.

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12-Mar-2012(#191)
they need to part with melo and stoudemire. The knicks were a similar team before the Melo era with Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton.. ball movement and gameplay were the same..without a "superstar"

now we have 2 (3 if you count Chandler) and nothing happens. They need to get rid of Melo and Stoudemire... preferably for another big man (Gasol?) and a pure Center. Everyone else is good.. which would also allow Toney Douglas to play again as he's played probably 2 minutes the last 15 games?

Melo is definitely a cancer and he has to move for this team to win. We love him when he does good, but it's rare. Everyone loves you when you do good.



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12-Mar-2012(#192)
Knicks/Bulls should be an interesting game tonight. The Knicks obviously are somewhat in shamble, but the Bulls most likely will be without, Deng, Watson, Hamilton, and possibly Noah again. The picked up the slack against Utah, but at the very least, the Knickerbockers should be hungry to find a way to win on national television.

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12-Mar-2012(#193)
Raisin wrote:
> they need to part with melo and stoudemire. The knicks were
> a similar team before the Melo era with Wilson Chandler,
> Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton.. ball movement and gameplay
> were the same..without a "superstar"
>
> now we have 2 (3 if you count Chandler) and nothing happens.
> They need to get rid of Melo and Stoudemire... preferably
> for another big man (Gasol?) and a pure Center. Everyone
> else is good.. which would also allow Toney Douglas to play
> again as he's played probably 2 minutes the last 15 games?
>
> Melo is definitely a cancer and he has to move for this
> team to win. We love him when he does good, but it's rare.
> Everyone loves you when you do good.
>
>
Good luck parting with Stat. Nobody wants his contract. The Knicks would have to pay for the majority of it.


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12-Mar-2012(#194)
hes not a great player, and he does have uninsured knees so..someone would take him for the right price




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13-Mar-2012(#195)
Melo is selfish. He was screaming at I think Fields for the ball. If you are pissed at your teammate talk to him about it in the locker room. No need for the whole world to see it. He's a cancer.

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13-Mar-2012(#196)
There was a TON of contact on Rose last night that went uncalled. It's the first time I've heard him speak up about it after.

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13-Mar-2012(#197)
Yeah Rose is a pretty humble guy.

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Roca
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13-Mar-2012(#198)
i agree. for the team to move forward they need to move Melo and D'antoni..



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13-Mar-2012(#199)
Anthony is a great scorer but he's never been coached to buy into defense. I would get rid of dantoni first before Anthony. Bring a new system to the Knicks.

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13-Mar-2012(#200)
Yazzinit wrote:
> Knicks fans are silly. They wanted Melo so bad, knew what
> they were getting into (come on, he's never played D and
> has always had to be the #1 guy on his team) and now he
> has to go. Silly lol
Well what do you expect from them?Nets fans would feel the same way.

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metsfan718
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13-Mar-2012(#201)
Yes really. Any fanbase would act the same way. When you have the highest expectations in the past 10 years it is understandable. I still think people like melo but it's just not working out. Knicks fans just want them to win a playoff series for christ sakes.

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13-Mar-2012(#202)
Lol Nets fans trololol.
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13-Mar-2012(#203)
I never wanted Melo btw. lol
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13-Mar-2012(#204)
I loved Gallo! Ugh. I don't even want to talk about it.

Melo just doesn't want to play right now. Either Dantoni needs to go or Melo does. He didn't hustle down the court and he was jut at the elbow ALL game which is where he's NOT supposed to be. He's supposed to be outside, so Lin can drive. Too many bodies in the middle means there's no movement.

The system is not good with the talent the Knicks have,
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13-Mar-2012(#205)
Oh I agree, I'm just saying. Haha. I'd be fine with either or.
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13-Mar-2012(#206)
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14-Mar-2012(#207)
No excuses now Melo. Dantoni gone and Woodson said they'll be a lot of isolation. So let's see how this goes
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14-Mar-2012(#208)
I think that option will be talked about. Melo has more value than Stat at least.
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Karaiya
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* 15-Mar-2012(#209)
Bulls beat the Heat with out Rose!

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15-Mar-2012(#210)
The John Lucas fadeaway jumper over LeBron was awesome. Did it make espn's top 10?



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* 15-Mar-2012(#211)
Going out on a limb here because Ainge has no sense of loyalty:
Pierce won't be a Celtic come 3:00.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo is gone, too, in a trade heavily favoring whoever gets him, just cause Ainge doesn't like the kid.

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60sTrackStar
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15-Mar-2012(#212)
I don't think Melo is gonna be moved anytime soon. He's too much of a superstar that fills the seats at Knicks games. If anything Amare might be the one that might get traded.
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15-Mar-2012(#213)
Yazzinit wrote:
> Knicks fans are silly. They wanted Melo so bad, knew what they were
> getting into (come on, he's never played D and has always had to be
> the #1 guy on his team) and now he has to go. Silly lol

Dude they now have the best player in the league. Linsanity!!! They don't need Melo anymore. LOL
I hate the Knicks so I hope they do somehow get rid of two players just about every fan was swooning over and then Lin ends up being a flavor of the month and back in China or wherever before the season is done.
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15-Mar-2012(#214)
Very doubtful. Lin's an NBA caliber player. Not a superstar, but he'll stay in the NBA.
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15-Mar-2012(#215)
I've never been happier to have been wrong. Ainge probably came to his sense and remember what happened last year.

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metsfan718
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15-Mar-2012(#216)
SEspo wrote:
> Very doubtful. Lin's an NBA caliber player. Not a superstar,
> but he'll stay in the NBA.
Yes Lin will stay in the NBA. If it's not with the Knicks it will be with another team. He is definitely an NBA caliber player.


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29-Mar-2012(#217)
Bumpin this thread
Knicks with a great win over magic last night
Schumpert finally had a game where he lit it up. My friends and I all agree he is a very underrated player especially defensively. His shot may not be great but it will improve over time while his impressive defensive capability and speed will carry him through his first season

Topic   Lin Sanity !!!!!!! Now NBA season discussion.