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2-Oct-2019(#1)
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Anyone else excited for AEW Dynamite tonight?
PizzaTheHutt
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22-Aug-2021(#2)
(This post turned out way longer than I intended, but some points I felt shouldn't be left out)

I don't rally for WWE, I've said time and time again the product is subpar and Vince needs to die in order for the company to improve. I don't sit here wishing for his death every day, but I know that's what it's going to take. Just retiring won't be enough because he will find a way to come back the second he thinks he needs to. That pop he got on the first SmackDown with a live crowd last month, I'm sure that comforted his ego.

I don't single lazarro out, I just wanted to know if he was a long time fan (like pre-Attitude Era at a minimum), what is the company doing now that is so much worse than the past? I don't want to imply that he or anyone else is not allowed to have an opinion.
Not that I want to use Twitter as the standard (because it's such a cesspool) but a lot of those people whining on Twitter look to be in their early-mid 20s and never experienced what I feel are the real low points of the company's history. It might be bad now, but they don't even know. I don't forget the feeling of embarrassment I had when I invited a non-wrestling fan friend over to my house on the night of a WWF PPV that had Razor Ramon putting 1-2-3 Kid in a friggin' diaper. Now that is bad creative. As I was entering my teenage years it felt like they were still marketing the product at 7 year olds, but yet I continued watching despite garbage moments like that or Bastion Booger or...anything involving Doink The Clown. In that way I feel like history has started to repeat itself in some ways.

So yeah, I agree overall the product is subpar but I also don't think it's as bad as a lot of fans act like it is. As a big fan of Keith Lee, if I'm booking he'd for sure be in the main event picture. Karrion Kross wouldn't be losing to Jeff Hardy in two minutes (though I admit I like the Karrion Kross gimmick more than I like the dude portraying it). I will express my disappointment of those situations, but those men speaking up about it themselves is going to mean a lot more than me doing it on their behalf.

I want to point out an interview with Ari Sterling that I read shortly after he was released. He goes on to talk about how fans on Twitter were crapping on the name he was "given" by WWE since day one. His response was along the lines of "I wasn't given the name, I chose it myself, so those people hating on it are just making fun of me" and that the people complaining he was being misused by them placing him on 205 Live, he was cool with it and the experiences he learned that he wouldn't have learned on the indies. Another example would be when Goldberg squashed Brock a few years back. It was disappointing and didn't make much sense, but apparently was Brock's idea.

WWE's creative team gets a lot of flack, but it's not always fair. You have to understand they're writing for an audience of one: Vince. When the overall product is as bad as it currently is, all fingers should be pointed at him and him alone (well, maybe his yes men as well, Prichard and Kevin Dunn).
PizzaTheHutt
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22-Aug-2021(#3)
Also, kudos to the creative team for getting me to not want to change the channel immediately when a segment involving Roman Reigns is on, but I still don't like sitting through his actual matches. He's a badass heel now but still using the same ol' moveset and ending matches with that corny "Superman punch" and a spear that at least a dozen other dudes on the roster are using regularly? Gimme a break. But like I said, his face is on screen and I don't immediately want to change the channel now, so he can thank creative for that.

PizzaTheHutt
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* 22-Aug-2021(#4)
Apologies for triple post, but never thought I'd agree with Nikki Bella of all people. Yay, Becky is back, but that match should not have went down the way it did. I don't blame Becky for it, but I already am not a fan of how this title run started out. Something fishy was going on behind the scenes that we don't know about (yet).
https://twitter.com/Tessflocker/status/14295436937...
theJaw
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22-Aug-2021(#5)
I completely understand what you're saying, and I didn't mean to imply you were singling anyone out, I was just using your specific question as a reference for mine. Apologies if it seemed any other way.

When I call out WWE's creative, I know it's Vince and those yes men - they ARE the creative that are being criticized. Dunn is more on the production side but Bruce is an executive director. Of course there are technical "writers" who write the shows but it's the show runners (like Bruce) + Vince are the final "gates" who ultimately decide the stories and that's the problem. I'll also throw it out there - input from wrestlers should also be considered a "creative" responsibility. If they were bad ideas, regardless of whoever came up with the idea, creative should have shot it down. If Brock suggested something lame, creative should have come up with something better or WWE shouldn't have allowed themselves to be held at gunpoint by Lesnar's every whim at the expense of the show's integrity. But that's just how they do business unfortunately.

Otherwise I don't really get swayed by what random toxic Twitter users say - they definitely are just whiny weirdos like you said. I'm just talking for myself. I'm personally more bored by WWE now than I've been in forever (and that's not just because the other company).
theJaw
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* 22-Aug-2021(#6)
Also Becky squashing Bianca was fudging awful and not only tanked Bianca's legit momentum but also tanked the fans' good will on Becky. It won't be long before she gets the Charlotte treatment from the internet.
PizzaTheHutt
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22-Aug-2021(#7)
Apparently Sasha Banks wasn't backstage at SummerSlam nor has she been on the road with WWE for the past week and it's not due to an injury. Becky wasn't due back until October but they had to speed it up.
theJaw
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22-Aug-2021(#8)
WALTER vs Draganov is Match of the Year contender easy. Holy crap that was great.
theJaw
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23-Aug-2021(#9)
looool they muuuuuurdered Karrion Kross' entire character.

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Ahhh Demolition. Love Demolition. Oh my god this company.
shadyfozzie
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23-Aug-2021(#10)
WWE: We wreck everyone...
lazarro
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* 24-Aug-2021(#11)
Adam cole free agent after this week from wwe

(Insert opinion here)

lazarro
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26-Aug-2021(#12)
becky confirmed to be top heel on smackdown and lesnar top face on smackdown

not surprised about lesnar as wwe never had a strong face to begin with, since they were tossing(booking wrestlers to fight Reigns on short terms basis

the lynch-belair squash was the result of sasha banks not being at summerslam and wasn't for an injury. I'm already speculating about the booking decision but i'll keep quiet.

didn't get a chance to watch dynamite last night busy watching netflix, should be able to watch rampage.
PizzaTheHutt
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26-Aug-2021(#13)
It's being said USA Network are not too thrilled that Becky and Brock were moved over to the SmackDown brand. I thought it was obvious Becky would end up there, because now that the company is on the road again she's going to want to travel with Seth. As for Brock, I wouldn't worry too much about him. His newest contract is only for 8 matches over the next year and a half, and it's highly unlikely any of them will be done on TV.

Also Gangrel says he was contacted by AEW and was supposed to appear on last night's Dynamite. But after Edge used The Brood bloodbath, entrance and theme music in WWE last week they canceled Gangrel's appearance. Just a weird coincidence I guess.
lazarro
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* 27-Aug-2021(#14)
Now wwe is saying they are not interested in indie wrestlers

hey i know who will sign them

Calling AEW

PizzaTheHutt
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* 27-Aug-2021(#15)
Adam Cole canceled today's Twitch stream because "something came up". It could just be a work because he wants people to think he's gonna appear on Rampage or SmackDown. Rampage was already taped two days ago, but there was definitely an idea pitched where he'd debut on SD and beat Nakamura for the IC title.
lazarro
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28-Aug-2021(#16)
so i read impact isn't getting enough viewers,

i have no idea how much longer they can survive if they are airing on minor cable station

miss rampage yesterday did i miss anything
theJaw
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29-Aug-2021(#17)
Impact will be fine. They lasted this long and there's no reason to they'd stop. Low ratings, in their case, is sort of the norm.
PizzaTheHutt
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29-Aug-2021(#18)
I don't know how true this is, but I recall reading a couple years back that despite Impact Wrestling and Ring of Honor only reaching a small audience, Anthem and Sinclair don't really lose a lot of money on them due to being able to write them off in taxes or something like that?

theJaw
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* 29-Aug-2021(#19)
Watching the NWA 73 PPV right now. Pretty decent show. The wrestling is definitely a bit more old school-leaning but I think that's a neat alternative to WWE's "entertainment" and AEW's indie style. Good time to be a wrestling fan with all this variety to choose from. Although it is sorta weird to hear some wrestlers enter that old school blue NWA ring to hip hop or metal haha.

Cool to see Ric Flair make his NWA return tonight though, even if his promo featured a lot of rambling and almost endless praise to McMahon and HHH.

About to watch the NWA World's Title match - Nick Aldis (c) vs. Trevor fudging Murdoch. You fellas may remember him as one half of the mid-2000s WWE tag team Cade and Murdoch. He's a bit of a plumper boy but he fits the NWA aesthetic perfectly - his look and style reminds me a lot of Dusty Rhodes or Harley Race. Apparently he promised to leave pro wrestling if he couldn't beat Aldis for the belt tonight, so this could (and probably will) be a retirement match.
theJaw
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29-Aug-2021(#20)
Also yall gotta watch the Starz show Heels with Stephen Amell. Really great show and a decent look into the inner workings of indie wrestling (even if the show presents it a bit more like the old territory days). Not a huge Amell fan but he's starting to grow on me a bit in this show, even if his performance can still be a little too stiff at times. Everything surrounding him is pretty great though, and after tonight's episode (which featured CM Punk in a great role), I'm really looking forward to what's to come next week.
theJaw
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30-Aug-2021(#21)
Whoa Murdoch actually won. Ended Aldis' 1044 day title run.
lazarro
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30-Aug-2021(#22)
this week will be week 1 of me not watching current wwe programming

if im gonna watch wrestling i'll watch

AEW or older wwe programming/other older promotions


i could care less what happens in the wwe now, makes me want to turn away from it
theJaw
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30-Aug-2021(#23)
Haha my man, I agree with you that WWE is pretty bad right now but that is roughly your 598th post sharing that sentiment.
lazarro
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30-Aug-2021(#24)
theJaw wrote:
> Haha my man, I agree with you that WWE is pretty bad right now but that is roughly
> your 598th post sharing that sentiment.

it wont be my last but ill try and not post that much unless i find something new to crow about among wrestling news


lazarro
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31-Aug-2021(#25)
going to try and watch AEW today i'm so hyped to watch this show

btw anyone notice on wwe how riccochet has been buried and not appearing on tv that much

i'm laughing how wwe continues its trend promoting matches that never happens
theJaw
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* 31-Aug-2021(#26)
lazarro wrote:
> it wont be my last but ill try and not post that much unless i find something new
> to crow about among wrestling news

I mean by all means post, it'd just be a neat breath of fresh air to see you post positive things about the shows you DO want to watch as opposed to just crapting on WWE constantly. I do totally understand the desire to keep beating that particular dead horse because they're a frustrating company and it's easy but part of my semi-move away from WWE means that I'm going to move my focus on gassing up the products I do like and just not bothering with what I don't.

And yah, WWE needs to do something else with Ricochet or let the poor man jump ship already. There are so many incredible wrestlers that I miss watching legitimately competitive matches from because they're regulated to Main Event or something.

Also which AEW show are you gonna try to watch? Dark? That's the only one that's on tonight and I was actually thinking how bad I wanna check it out tonight too. I am happy with how badly I actually WANT to watch wrestling throughout my days lately. That's a feeling I haven't had in a long, long time.



lazarro
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31-Aug-2021(#27)
Yep from don't make wwe chairman of the board angry with matches or ideas for a show that will ultimately not happen

Lmao after reading a certain article

But you know what instead of watching wwe

I could

Play video games
Watch movies
Read a book
Watch other tv shows

Rather than waste my time
theJaw
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* 31-Aug-2021(#28)
And in the realm of pro wrestling

you could

Watch AEW
Watch PWG
Watch NJPW
Watch NWA
Watch Impact
Watch MLW
Watch GCW
Watch etc etc etc

and probably not be as salty about them as most of us are about WWE
lazarro
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1-Sep-2021(#29)
missed AEW dark

but i am excited its Dynamite Night for AEW

interesting how Jericho accepted a career match vs MJF in their feud. I sense there's a reason behind this part of the storyline maybe to be MJF to save his career
lazarro
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1-Sep-2021(#30)
Time to rant

Alexa bliss at raw and not used

Can anyone say maybe let go in the future

akfa
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1-Sep-2021(#31)
I'm really excited for All Out this weekend! It's so much fun to watch wrestling when you really enjoy it. I look forward to wrestling 4 days a week, that's wild!
lazarro
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1-Sep-2021(#32)
Actually I take back my rant

Maybe writers deserve a pass when Vince isn't happy to the nth degree but I heard he was not happy with the raw writers and ripped copies of script

But man those writers are imbiciles
PizzaTheHutt
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1-Sep-2021(#33)
lazarro wrote:
> Actually I take back my rant
>
> Maybe writers deserve a pass when Vince isn't happy to the nth degree but I heard
> he was not happy with the raw writers and ripped copies of script
>
> But man those writers are imbiciles


Being a part of the WWE creative team has to be one of the worst jobs in the industry. Who knows how many good ideas were thrown out simply because Vince didn't like them? And when they do come up with something good, Vince is the one who gets the credit for it, because it had to get his approval to appear on his show.
theJaw
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* 1-Sep-2021(#34)
Unfortunately travel plans have caused AEW to cancel the planned Andrade vs PAC match scheduled for AEW All Out. They've rescheduled for a future episode of Rampage. Fingers crossed for a full-show hour long broadway.

But gosh darn this card is still looking badass. I've been going back and forth between All Out, Double or Nothing, or Revolution as to what's AEW's "Wrestlemania" and I feel like this card firmly establishes All Out as that.


AEW ALL OUT 2021

AEW WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Kenny Omega (c) vs. Christian Cage

SINGLES MATCH
CM Punk vs. Darby Allin

"THE FINAL FIGHT"
"If Jericho loses, he will retire from in-ring competition in AEW"
Chris Jericho vs. MJF

AEW WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP STEEL CAGE MATCH
The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Jackson) (c) vs. Lucha Bros. (Penta El Zero Miedo & Rey Fénix)

AEW TNT CHAMPIONSHIP
Miro (c) vs. Eddie Kingston

AEW WOMEN'S WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Dr. Britt Baker D.M.D. (c) vs. Kris Statlander

SINGLES MATCH
Paul Wight vs. QT Marshall

SINGLES MATCH
Jon Moxley vs. Satoshi Kojima

21-WOMAN CASINO BATTLE ROYALE
"Winner receives a future AEW Women's World Championship match"
Nyla Rose vs. Thunder Rosa vs. The Bunny vs. Big Swole vs. Julia Hart vs. Tay Conti vs. Diamante vs. Penelope Ford vs. Red Velvet vs. Hikaru Shida vs. Emi Sakura vs. Jade Cargill vs. Kiera Hogan vs. Abadon vs. Leyla Hirsch vs. KiLynn King vs. Rebel vs. Jamie Hayter vs. Anna Jay vs. 2 women TBD

Buy In: 10-MAN TAG TEAM MATCH
Orange Cassidy, Chuck Taylor, Wheeler Yuta, Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus vs. The HFO (Matt Hardy, Isiah Kassidy, Marq Quen, Angelico and Jack Evans)
lazarro
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* 2-Sep-2021(#35)
surprise surprise

now vince is controlling what happens on nxt now

(adding another reason to continue not watching wwe programming)

i manage to watch the first match on aew dynamite not a bad match

however i was trying to watch a movie that i lost interested in, Therefore i went to one of my www watching alternative activities and played castlevania curse of darkness instead. Eliminating the enemies released my wrath about wwe, lol.

theJaw
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2-Sep-2021(#36)
PWG's website are taking pre orders for their next Blu Ray release, their first post-lockdown show Mystery Vortex 7. This will be my first time ordering a PWG show as soon as it goes up for sale as most of my collection has been via DVD hunting. PWG crowds are usually crazy so I can't wait to see the atmosphere at their first show back.

Also Bandido vs Black Taurus in the main event. If you've never heard of Black Taurus, look him up. Horrifying individual. Sort of like if Mantaur's evil brother came and blood sacrificed him for a wrestling career.
theJaw
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2-Sep-2021(#37)
And now some crapty news, popular female wrestler Daffney was found dead after live streaming on Instagram where she was talking about killing herself. There was a desperate search among wrestling personalities last night during and after Dynamite but nobody was able to get in touch with her.

So unfortunate. She had worked for WCW, TNA, NWA and ROH in the past and had acted a bit. Awful news.
PizzaTheHutt
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2-Sep-2021(#38)
Yeah that is sad news. I had seen a forum post where someone said she was live streaming on Instagram and talking about killing herself because she's all alone and has nobody and how she feels like a burden to those around her. It looked like the viewers were trying to talk her out of it, I was hoping they'd be successful.

lazarro
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* 2-Sep-2021(#39)
That's sad daffney had mental problems and felt being alone. Must have been at the point where she felt better to be at peace with herself.
lazarro
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3-Sep-2021(#40)
Labor Day weekend is a good weekend not to watch any wwe programming

I'll be doing my other interests

I do like to watch tv

But I like science fiction, sports and real reality tv like cooking shows or paranormal shows

I don't consider current wwe programming a watchable product unless it's something to view and waste your time
theJaw
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* 3-Sep-2021(#41)
Arighty, it's one thing to criticize them when they actually produce trash but to arbitrarily post in a wrestling discussion thread to say that you're going to do random activities other than watch wrestling solely because you dislike WWE is a little much haha

We get it my man, you don't like WWE, but tbh it has gotten to the point where it still feels like you're more focused on WWE than any other promotion despite claiming to hate them so hard. You never post specific things regarding what you enjoy about any other promotion's weekly shows, but consistently post specifics regarding what you hate about WWE.

Leave em in the dust and watch what you like, no need to dwell like they're an ex-girlfriend.

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