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2-Oct-2019(#1)
This topic had many older posts which were moved here:

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Other thread was closed...so here we are.

Anyone else excited for AEW Dynamite tonight?
PizzaTheHutt
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22-Aug-2021(#2)
(This post turned out way longer than I intended, but some points I felt shouldn't be left out)

I don't rally for WWE, I've said time and time again the product is subpar and Vince needs to die in order for the company to improve. I don't sit here wishing for his death every day, but I know that's what it's going to take. Just retiring won't be enough because he will find a way to come back the second he thinks he needs to. That pop he got on the first SmackDown with a live crowd last month, I'm sure that comforted his ego.

I don't single lazarro out, I just wanted to know if he was a long time fan (like pre-Attitude Era at a minimum), what is the company doing now that is so much worse than the past? I don't want to imply that he or anyone else is not allowed to have an opinion.
Not that I want to use Twitter as the standard (because it's such a cesspool) but a lot of those people whining on Twitter look to be in their early-mid 20s and never experienced what I feel are the real low points of the company's history. It might be bad now, but they don't even know. I don't forget the feeling of embarrassment I had when I invited a non-wrestling fan friend over to my house on the night of a WWF PPV that had Razor Ramon putting 1-2-3 Kid in a friggin' diaper. Now that is bad creative. As I was entering my teenage years it felt like they were still marketing the product at 7 year olds, but yet I continued watching despite garbage moments like that or Bastion Booger or...anything involving Doink The Clown. In that way I feel like history has started to repeat itself in some ways.

So yeah, I agree overall the product is subpar but I also don't think it's as bad as a lot of fans act like it is. As a big fan of Keith Lee, if I'm booking he'd for sure be in the main event picture. Karrion Kross wouldn't be losing to Jeff Hardy in two minutes (though I admit I like the Karrion Kross gimmick more than I like the dude portraying it). I will express my disappointment of those situations, but those men speaking up about it themselves is going to mean a lot more than me doing it on their behalf.

I want to point out an interview with Ari Sterling that I read shortly after he was released. He goes on to talk about how fans on Twitter were crapping on the name he was "given" by WWE since day one. His response was along the lines of "I wasn't given the name, I chose it myself, so those people hating on it are just making fun of me" and that the people complaining he was being misused by them placing him on 205 Live, he was cool with it and the experiences he learned that he wouldn't have learned on the indies. Another example would be when Goldberg squashed Brock a few years back. It was disappointing and didn't make much sense, but apparently was Brock's idea.

WWE's creative team gets a lot of flack, but it's not always fair. You have to understand they're writing for an audience of one: Vince. When the overall product is as bad as it currently is, all fingers should be pointed at him and him alone (well, maybe his yes men as well, Prichard and Kevin Dunn).
PizzaTheHutt
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22-Aug-2021(#3)
Also, kudos to the creative team for getting me to not want to change the channel immediately when a segment involving Roman Reigns is on, but I still don't like sitting through his actual matches. He's a badass heel now but still using the same ol' moveset and ending matches with that corny "Superman punch" and a spear that at least a dozen other dudes on the roster are using regularly? Gimme a break. But like I said, his face is on screen and I don't immediately want to change the channel now, so he can thank creative for that.

PizzaTheHutt
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* 22-Aug-2021(#4)
Apologies for triple post, but never thought I'd agree with Nikki Bella of all people. Yay, Becky is back, but that match should not have went down the way it did. I don't blame Becky for it, but I already am not a fan of how this title run started out. Something fishy was going on behind the scenes that we don't know about (yet).
https://twitter.com/Tessflocker/status/14295436937...
theJaw
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22-Aug-2021(#5)
I completely understand what you're saying, and I didn't mean to imply you were singling anyone out, I was just using your specific question as a reference for mine. Apologies if it seemed any other way.

When I call out WWE's creative, I know it's Vince and those yes men - they ARE the creative that are being criticized. Dunn is more on the production side but Bruce is an executive director. Of course there are technical "writers" who write the shows but it's the show runners (like Bruce) + Vince are the final "gates" who ultimately decide the stories and that's the problem. I'll also throw it out there - input from wrestlers should also be considered a "creative" responsibility. If they were bad ideas, regardless of whoever came up with the idea, creative should have shot it down. If Brock suggested something lame, creative should have come up with something better or WWE shouldn't have allowed themselves to be held at gunpoint by Lesnar's every whim at the expense of the show's integrity. But that's just how they do business unfortunately.

Otherwise I don't really get swayed by what random toxic Twitter users say - they definitely are just whiny weirdos like you said. I'm just talking for myself. I'm personally more bored by WWE now than I've been in forever (and that's not just because the other company).
theJaw
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* 22-Aug-2021(#6)
Also Becky squashing Bianca was fudging awful and not only tanked Bianca's legit momentum but also tanked the fans' good will on Becky. It won't be long before she gets the Charlotte treatment from the internet.
PizzaTheHutt
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22-Aug-2021(#7)
Apparently Sasha Banks wasn't backstage at SummerSlam nor has she been on the road with WWE for the past week and it's not due to an injury. Becky wasn't due back until October but they had to speed it up.
theJaw
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22-Aug-2021(#8)
WALTER vs Draganov is Match of the Year contender easy. Holy crap that was great.
theJaw
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23-Aug-2021(#9)
looool they muuuuuurdered Karrion Kross' entire character.

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Ahhh Demolition. Love Demolition. Oh my god this company.
shadyfozzie
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23-Aug-2021(#10)
WWE: We wreck everyone...
lazarro
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* 24-Aug-2021(#11)
Adam cole free agent after this week from wwe

(Insert opinion here)

lazarro
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26-Aug-2021(#12)
becky confirmed to be top heel on smackdown and lesnar top face on smackdown

not surprised about lesnar as wwe never had a strong face to begin with, since they were tossing(booking wrestlers to fight Reigns on short terms basis

the lynch-belair squash was the result of sasha banks not being at summerslam and wasn't for an injury. I'm already speculating about the booking decision but i'll keep quiet.

didn't get a chance to watch dynamite last night busy watching netflix, should be able to watch rampage.
PizzaTheHutt
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26-Aug-2021(#13)
It's being said USA Network are not too thrilled that Becky and Brock were moved over to the SmackDown brand. I thought it was obvious Becky would end up there, because now that the company is on the road again she's going to want to travel with Seth. As for Brock, I wouldn't worry too much about him. His newest contract is only for 8 matches over the next year and a half, and it's highly unlikely any of them will be done on TV.

Also Gangrel says he was contacted by AEW and was supposed to appear on last night's Dynamite. But after Edge used The Brood bloodbath, entrance and theme music in WWE last week they canceled Gangrel's appearance. Just a weird coincidence I guess.
lazarro
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* 27-Aug-2021(#14)
Now wwe is saying they are not interested in indie wrestlers

hey i know who will sign them

Calling AEW

PizzaTheHutt
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* 27-Aug-2021(#15)
Adam Cole canceled today's Twitch stream because "something came up". It could just be a work because he wants people to think he's gonna appear on Rampage or SmackDown. Rampage was already taped two days ago, but there was definitely an idea pitched where he'd debut on SD and beat Nakamura for the IC title.
lazarro
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28-Aug-2021(#16)
so i read impact isn't getting enough viewers,

i have no idea how much longer they can survive if they are airing on minor cable station

miss rampage yesterday did i miss anything
theJaw
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29-Aug-2021(#17)
Impact will be fine. They lasted this long and there's no reason to they'd stop. Low ratings, in their case, is sort of the norm.
PizzaTheHutt
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29-Aug-2021(#18)
I don't know how true this is, but I recall reading a couple years back that despite Impact Wrestling and Ring of Honor only reaching a small audience, Anthem and Sinclair don't really lose a lot of money on them due to being able to write them off in taxes or something like that?

theJaw
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* 29-Aug-2021(#19)
Watching the NWA 73 PPV right now. Pretty decent show. The wrestling is definitely a bit more old school-leaning but I think that's a neat alternative to WWE's "entertainment" and AEW's indie style. Good time to be a wrestling fan with all this variety to choose from. Although it is sorta weird to hear some wrestlers enter that old school blue NWA ring to hip hop or metal haha.

Cool to see Ric Flair make his NWA return tonight though, even if his promo featured a lot of rambling and almost endless praise to McMahon and HHH.

About to watch the NWA World's Title match - Nick Aldis (c) vs. Trevor fudging Murdoch. You fellas may remember him as one half of the mid-2000s WWE tag team Cade and Murdoch. He's a bit of a plumper boy but he fits the NWA aesthetic perfectly - his look and style reminds me a lot of Dusty Rhodes or Harley Race. Apparently he promised to leave pro wrestling if he couldn't beat Aldis for the belt tonight, so this could (and probably will) be a retirement match.
theJaw
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29-Aug-2021(#20)
Also yall gotta watch the Starz show Heels with Stephen Amell. Really great show and a decent look into the inner workings of indie wrestling (even if the show presents it a bit more like the old territory days). Not a huge Amell fan but he's starting to grow on me a bit in this show, even if his performance can still be a little too stiff at times. Everything surrounding him is pretty great though, and after tonight's episode (which featured CM Punk in a great role), I'm really looking forward to what's to come next week.
theJaw
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30-Aug-2021(#21)
Whoa Murdoch actually won. Ended Aldis' 1044 day title run.
lazarro
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30-Aug-2021(#22)
this week will be week 1 of me not watching current wwe programming

if im gonna watch wrestling i'll watch

AEW or older wwe programming/other older promotions


i could care less what happens in the wwe now, makes me want to turn away from it
theJaw
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30-Aug-2021(#23)
Haha my man, I agree with you that WWE is pretty bad right now but that is roughly your 598th post sharing that sentiment.
lazarro
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30-Aug-2021(#24)
theJaw wrote:
> Haha my man, I agree with you that WWE is pretty bad right now but that is roughly
> your 598th post sharing that sentiment.

it wont be my last but ill try and not post that much unless i find something new to crow about among wrestling news


lazarro
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31-Aug-2021(#25)
going to try and watch AEW today i'm so hyped to watch this show

btw anyone notice on wwe how riccochet has been buried and not appearing on tv that much

i'm laughing how wwe continues its trend promoting matches that never happens
theJaw
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* 31-Aug-2021(#26)
lazarro wrote:
> it wont be my last but ill try and not post that much unless i find something new
> to crow about among wrestling news

I mean by all means post, it'd just be a neat breath of fresh air to see you post positive things about the shows you DO want to watch as opposed to just crapting on WWE constantly. I do totally understand the desire to keep beating that particular dead horse because they're a frustrating company and it's easy but part of my semi-move away from WWE means that I'm going to move my focus on gassing up the products I do like and just not bothering with what I don't.

And yah, WWE needs to do something else with Ricochet or let the poor man jump ship already. There are so many incredible wrestlers that I miss watching legitimately competitive matches from because they're regulated to Main Event or something.

Also which AEW show are you gonna try to watch? Dark? That's the only one that's on tonight and I was actually thinking how bad I wanna check it out tonight too. I am happy with how badly I actually WANT to watch wrestling throughout my days lately. That's a feeling I haven't had in a long, long time.



lazarro
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31-Aug-2021(#27)
Yep from don't make wwe chairman of the board angry with matches or ideas for a show that will ultimately not happen

Lmao after reading a certain article

But you know what instead of watching wwe

I could

Play video games
Watch movies
Read a book
Watch other tv shows

Rather than waste my time
theJaw
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* 31-Aug-2021(#28)
And in the realm of pro wrestling

you could

Watch AEW
Watch PWG
Watch NJPW
Watch NWA
Watch Impact
Watch MLW
Watch GCW
Watch etc etc etc

and probably not be as salty about them as most of us are about WWE
lazarro
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1-Sep-2021(#29)
missed AEW dark

but i am excited its Dynamite Night for AEW

interesting how Jericho accepted a career match vs MJF in their feud. I sense there's a reason behind this part of the storyline maybe to be MJF to save his career
lazarro
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1-Sep-2021(#30)
Time to rant

Alexa bliss at raw and not used

Can anyone say maybe let go in the future

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1-Sep-2021(#31)
I'm really excited for All Out this weekend! It's so much fun to watch wrestling when you really enjoy it. I look forward to wrestling 4 days a week, that's wild!
lazarro
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1-Sep-2021(#32)
Actually I take back my rant

Maybe writers deserve a pass when Vince isn't happy to the nth degree but I heard he was not happy with the raw writers and ripped copies of script

But man those writers are imbiciles
PizzaTheHutt
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1-Sep-2021(#33)
lazarro wrote:
> Actually I take back my rant
>
> Maybe writers deserve a pass when Vince isn't happy to the nth degree but I heard
> he was not happy with the raw writers and ripped copies of script
>
> But man those writers are imbiciles


Being a part of the WWE creative team has to be one of the worst jobs in the industry. Who knows how many good ideas were thrown out simply because Vince didn't like them? And when they do come up with something good, Vince is the one who gets the credit for it, because it had to get his approval to appear on his show.
theJaw
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* 1-Sep-2021(#34)
Unfortunately travel plans have caused AEW to cancel the planned Andrade vs PAC match scheduled for AEW All Out. They've rescheduled for a future episode of Rampage. Fingers crossed for a full-show hour long broadway.

But gosh darn this card is still looking badass. I've been going back and forth between All Out, Double or Nothing, or Revolution as to what's AEW's "Wrestlemania" and I feel like this card firmly establishes All Out as that.


AEW ALL OUT 2021

AEW WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Kenny Omega (c) vs. Christian Cage

SINGLES MATCH
CM Punk vs. Darby Allin

"THE FINAL FIGHT"
"If Jericho loses, he will retire from in-ring competition in AEW"
Chris Jericho vs. MJF

AEW WORLD TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP STEEL CAGE MATCH
The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Jackson) (c) vs. Lucha Bros. (Penta El Zero Miedo & Rey Fénix)

AEW TNT CHAMPIONSHIP
Miro (c) vs. Eddie Kingston

AEW WOMEN'S WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Dr. Britt Baker D.M.D. (c) vs. Kris Statlander

SINGLES MATCH
Paul Wight vs. QT Marshall

SINGLES MATCH
Jon Moxley vs. Satoshi Kojima

21-WOMAN CASINO BATTLE ROYALE
"Winner receives a future AEW Women's World Championship match"
Nyla Rose vs. Thunder Rosa vs. The Bunny vs. Big Swole vs. Julia Hart vs. Tay Conti vs. Diamante vs. Penelope Ford vs. Red Velvet vs. Hikaru Shida vs. Emi Sakura vs. Jade Cargill vs. Kiera Hogan vs. Abadon vs. Leyla Hirsch vs. KiLynn King vs. Rebel vs. Jamie Hayter vs. Anna Jay vs. 2 women TBD

Buy In: 10-MAN TAG TEAM MATCH
Orange Cassidy, Chuck Taylor, Wheeler Yuta, Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus vs. The HFO (Matt Hardy, Isiah Kassidy, Marq Quen, Angelico and Jack Evans)
lazarro
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* 2-Sep-2021(#35)
surprise surprise

now vince is controlling what happens on nxt now

(adding another reason to continue not watching wwe programming)

i manage to watch the first match on aew dynamite not a bad match

however i was trying to watch a movie that i lost interested in, Therefore i went to one of my www watching alternative activities and played castlevania curse of darkness instead. Eliminating the enemies released my wrath about wwe, lol.

theJaw
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2-Sep-2021(#36)
PWG's website are taking pre orders for their next Blu Ray release, their first post-lockdown show Mystery Vortex 7. This will be my first time ordering a PWG show as soon as it goes up for sale as most of my collection has been via DVD hunting. PWG crowds are usually crazy so I can't wait to see the atmosphere at their first show back.

Also Bandido vs Black Taurus in the main event. If you've never heard of Black Taurus, look him up. Horrifying individual. Sort of like if Mantaur's evil brother came and blood sacrificed him for a wrestling career.
theJaw
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2-Sep-2021(#37)
And now some crapty news, popular female wrestler Daffney was found dead after live streaming on Instagram where she was talking about killing herself. There was a desperate search among wrestling personalities last night during and after Dynamite but nobody was able to get in touch with her.

So unfortunate. She had worked for WCW, TNA, NWA and ROH in the past and had acted a bit. Awful news.
PizzaTheHutt
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2-Sep-2021(#38)
Yeah that is sad news. I had seen a forum post where someone said she was live streaming on Instagram and talking about killing herself because she's all alone and has nobody and how she feels like a burden to those around her. It looked like the viewers were trying to talk her out of it, I was hoping they'd be successful.

lazarro
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* 2-Sep-2021(#39)
That's sad daffney had mental problems and felt being alone. Must have been at the point where she felt better to be at peace with herself.
lazarro
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3-Sep-2021(#40)
Labor Day weekend is a good weekend not to watch any wwe programming

I'll be doing my other interests

I do like to watch tv

But I like science fiction, sports and real reality tv like cooking shows or paranormal shows

I don't consider current wwe programming a watchable product unless it's something to view and waste your time
theJaw
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* 3-Sep-2021(#41)
Arighty, it's one thing to criticize them when they actually produce trash but to arbitrarily post in a wrestling discussion thread to say that you're going to do random activities other than watch wrestling solely because you dislike WWE is a little much haha

We get it my man, you don't like WWE, but tbh it has gotten to the point where it still feels like you're more focused on WWE than any other promotion despite claiming to hate them so hard. You never post specific things regarding what you enjoy about any other promotion's weekly shows, but consistently post specifics regarding what you hate about WWE.

Leave em in the dust and watch what you like, no need to dwell like they're an ex-girlfriend.
lazarro
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3-Sep-2021(#42)
then i'll keep quiet unless i have something constructive to say
theJaw
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3-Sep-2021(#43)
Talk about the wrestling you enjoy, about as constructive as one needs to be haha
PizzaTheHutt
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3-Sep-2021(#44)
lazarro wrote:
> surprise surprise
>
> now vince is controlling what happens on nxt now


It was originally reported by Bryan Alvarez that Vince McMahon and Bruce Prichard were now going to produce NXT and be more hands-on after the rebranding happens in a couple of weeks, but Meltzer has since said that isn't true at all and Triple H actually had a meeting with the NXT roster to specifically confirm that. It is unlikely there will be changes to the booking/creative/production teams within NXT. Vince just wanted it to have a fresh coat of paint with the new logo and opening theme.

One thing they need is to get into a bigger venue because the CWC just doesn't cut it. I don't know exactly how many fans it fits, but it's a lot less than what TNA would get in the Impact Zone in Orlando.
theJaw
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3-Sep-2021(#45)
Guaranteed the reports of "no more midgets" is still in effect. If Vince wants it retooled, it isn't just a "coat of paint" logo/theme situation. Triple H may still be "in charge" but as you've said several times, it comes down to Vince at the end of the day. Where it used to come down to ONLY Triple H for NXT, Vince is 100% overseeing NXT now with Triple H still running the day-to-day.
lazarro
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4-Sep-2021(#46)
Hope everyone has a nice Labor Day weekend I'll be off Monday from work

Didn't get a chance to watch rampage

Dark I think you have some sort subscription service I think

I'll enjoy playing castlevania and maybe a wrestling game
theJaw
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4-Sep-2021(#47)
@lazarro naw as far as I know Dark is free on YouTube every Tuesday, here's the most recent ep:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4kA3jaX7GU
theJaw
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4-Sep-2021(#48)
Anyone watching All Out as it airs tomorrow night? Don't think I can be any more hyped for a wrestling show in 2021, AEW has done a great job building this card.
PizzaTheHutt
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4-Sep-2021(#49)
WWE signed U.S. Olympic gold medalist Gable Steveson. His brother is also currently with the performance center.

Anyway, I know I'm two weeks behind but I finally caught up on NXT TakeOver 36. Pretty good show with the highlight definitely being WALTER vs Dragunov. Glad they got to put on that match in front of a live crowd (small crowd, but still better than the 0 fans that are allowed to attend NXT UK tapings).
theJaw
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* 5-Sep-2021(#50)
Jon Moxley showed up tonight at GCW "Art of War Games" and beat Matt Cardona for the GCW title. Wrestling rules. I'll admit it, I didn't give a fudge about GCW until the perfect storm of Nick Gage's Dark Side of the Ring episode and Cardona pinning him to win the belt but I had always heard rumblings about what was going on there. And my god.... if you thought ECW was "hardcore" then GCW is the reason I just put that word in quotations when referring to ECW. GCW had a War Games match tonight and it was DUMB violent but also wildly entertaining.

I'm not much for the deathmatch/hardcore wrestling scene but there is something to be said about GCW and how their legend has grown over the past few years, and I can take their brand of wrestling every once in a while. Plus their World title picture has been booked near-perfect for the past half year or so. Cardona being interjected shed a whole new light on the company, but now after tonight it seems it was ultimately just a road block on the way to an obligatory Mox vs. Gage match.

They also had Mox show up under a hood at first, as a "druid" for the wrestler G-Raver. When Cardona showed up a few months ago to challenge Gage, he was dressed as a druid too - and did Moxley-style movements to swerve the crowd. It rules to see them tie that back in with Mox now showing up to drop Cardona. Great booking.
theJaw
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5-Sep-2021(#51)
Also, ps, Matt Cardona was an incredible World champ and an incredible heel for the past 2 months. I really hope he taps into that with whatever he does next, it was so gosh darn entertaining - especially tonight.
lazarro
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5-Sep-2021(#52)
matt cardona was mostly a face type wrestler in wwe so the fact he's a heel now good provide some experience on the other side of the fence in terms of being cheered or jeered.

i will mention my favorite heel wrestlers
1. Hogan-who would have that thought he would change wwe programming
2 triple H- king of kings persona would never fit a face
3. Ravishing rick rude
4. iron sheik
5. ric flair

notables: shawn micheals, rick martel, the miz, and seth rollins

now my faces

1, stone cold steve austin-love the my way dont care attitude
2. ultimate warrior
3. undertaker
4. hacksaw jim duggan
5. rey mysterio

notables- kerry von erich and jake the snake

top ten favorite tag teams in no order

1. road warriors/legion of doom
2. the rockers
3. harlem heat
4. the young bucks
5. rock and roll express
6. the dudleys
7 brothers of destruction
8. bushwhackers
9 demolition
10 money inc

notables-nasty boys,the steiners, rougeau brothers and hollywood blondes

managers top 3

heenan
paul e dangerously(heyman)
general ackbar
theJaw
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5-Sep-2021(#53)
AEW All Out 2021 is starting right now. Pumped to BE pumped for wrestling.
theJaw
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* 5-Sep-2021(#54)
5 of the 10 matches left, All Out is already the best wrestling show of 2021 so far. Mox/Kojima was WILD and Suzuki showed up to challenge Mox. Miro/Kingston was way better than expected, some wildly hard hitting wrestling. And Bucks/Lucha Bros is legit MOTY contender - that crap was fudging wild and probably the best cage match I've seen in quite a while.

You're missing a great show if you're not watching this right now.
theJaw
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5-Sep-2021(#55)
RUBY SOHO (fka Ruby Riott) shows up in AEW's Casino Battle Royale! Complete with the Rancid song and all!
theJaw
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5-Sep-2021(#56)
CM Punk is back.

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theJaw
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5-Sep-2021(#57)
Adam Cole BAYBAY is All Elite.

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theJaw
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5-Sep-2021(#58)
Bryan nasty Danielson is All Elite.

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theJaw
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* 5-Sep-2021(#59)
That was one of, if not the single best pro wrestling PPV I've ever had the pleasure to watch. Holy crap.
ufcchamp322
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6-Sep-2021(#60)
That tag team cage match was amazing. My favorite match by far.
theJaw
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* 6-Sep-2021(#61)
ufcchamp322 wrote:
> That tag team cage match was amazing. My favorite match by far.

Oh yah that was by far match of the night. There wasn't a bad match on the card tbh - even QT vs Tall Paul was just a quick breather between the two marquee matches and it didn't wear out its welcome. Just as close to a perfect card you can get in 2021.... until the folks who debuted tonight start to really get involved.

And this was all without Hangman Page, Malakai Black, Andrade or PAC even wrestling. What a fudging roster.
lazarro
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6-Sep-2021(#62)
AEW will be a good fit for adam cole

with the roster so big in AEW they probably dont to have everyone wrestle at each pay per view

i did kinda figure jericho would win to keep wrestling,
shadyfozzie
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6-Sep-2021(#63)
I didn't watch but read and have followed AEW for a bit. Seems like the trend is they highlight the new WWE talent for a bit, then slowly push them back into the mix. Moxley went from headliner to undercard after a few months. Hope AEW doesn't go through the WWE run of letting the same 5 guys go for a championship over and over.
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6-Sep-2021(#64)
shadyfozzie wrote:
> I didn't watch but read and have followed AEW for a bit. Seems like the trend is
> they highlight the new WWE talent for a bit, then slowly push them back into the
> mix. Moxley went from headliner to undercard after a few months. Hope AEW doesn't
> go through the WWE run of letting the same 5 guys go for a championship over and
> over.

They kindof are. As competitive as the tag team division is on AEW, The Young Bucks are constantly in the title picture. Who's going to dethrone Kenny Omega and how are they going to build a healthy circle of main event contenders who aren't Kenny? Cody has been off in the cooler so I can't say him but for the early going, yeah. Jericho was there too but he isn't after the title currently. It just seemed like there were 5 guys after the same belts.

I just hope that maybe with Adam Cole and Bryan Danielson, with some left in the tank, could serve as distractions for the bigger guys in AEW that keeps them off the titles for a while.
shadyfozzie
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6-Sep-2021(#65)
Just watched the clips of Bryan and Adam debut.. They have some sick entrance music...
theJaw
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* 6-Sep-2021(#66)
shadyfozzie wrote:
> I didn't watch but read and have followed AEW for a bit. Seems like the trend is
> they highlight the new WWE talent for a bit, then slowly push them back into the
> mix. Moxley went from headliner to undercard after a few months. Hope AEW doesn't
> go through the WWE run of letting the same 5 guys go for a championship over and
> over.

I'm sure you didn't mean it derogatorily the way wrestling twitter does, but I'm gonna take this opportunity to address the whole "WWE guy" argument. Again, I know you weren't insinuating anything but I see this sort of talk all over the internet these days. They're not highlighting "WWE guys", they're highlighting wildly popular wrestlers who were already wildly popular before hitting WWE. Cole and Danielson especially were already over the day they set foot in WWE. Of course WWE helped them get their names in more households, but there tends to be this stigma that if someone worked for WWE then AEW is just "pulling a WCW" or something. Difference being they're not bringing them in JUST to appeal to folks who know their names. They're bringing them in to actually wrestle and put on a good wrestling show. Still, a lot of their main event focus are guys who have never worked for WWE - Omega, the Bucks, Allin, MJF, Lucha Bros, etc. I'd say they're doing fine balancing guys new to national TV vs the vets so far, but vets will always be important to get newer guys over.

I'd also only consider Moxley "undercard" in the sense that he's not constantly in the main event - but his role is far from what one would normally think of an "undercard" guy. He's still a focal point of the show and is currently the dude opening the "forbidden door" for all these NJPW legends to show up. To certain wrestling fans, he's probably the main draw in AEW right now. It's just that AEW has their hands in so many buckets that one doesn't necessarily need to be going after the title or headlining each show to remain a top guy and I think Mox is a great example of that. It's not like WWE where guys in the undercard are just forgotten about and become unimportant, in AEW (and most other wrestling companies) they do important things on other parts of the show and by default make THOSE parts of the show just as important to audiences.

And to THAT point, your worries about AEW letting the same 5 guys go for the title is sort of unwarranted - at least so far. It seems whenever a champ drops the belt, they use the accolade of having been champion to build up whoever they fight afterwards, which in turns makes for credible title contenders. There hasn't really been one instance of a former champ going after a title after they dropped it in any extended program - usually they drop it and the title picture moves on without them. It reminds me of how ROH used to book their title picture in the 2000s.

shadyfozzie wrote:
> Just watched the clips of Bryan and Adam debut.. They have some sick entrance music...
>

I was bummed that Danielson didn't have the Final Countdown entrance music - his arrival for a match back in the ROH days was always so epic with that song playing. But Flight of the Valkyries is synonymous with him now and their hip hop remix is definitely fun stuff.
lazarro
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6-Sep-2021(#67)
just saw the supposed line up for wwe raw tonight

titles defenses, and #1 contenders matches

if only wwe would take a page out of AEW and rotate wrestlers on each their shows maybe i wont be ranting as much as i have been

theJaw
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* 6-Sep-2021(#68)
Frozyre wrote:
>
> They kindof are. As competitive as the tag team division is on AEW, The Young Bucks
> are constantly in the title picture. Who's going to dethrone Kenny Omega and how
> are they going to build a healthy circle of main event contenders who aren't Kenny?
> Cody has been off in the cooler so I can't say him but for the early going, yeah.
> Jericho was there too but he isn't after the title currently. It just seemed like
> there were 5 guys after the same belts.
>

I mean, Dynamite has only been a thing for like 2 years hasn't it? That's a fine period of time to have an established set of top wrestlers going after their designated titles. I really don't see the criticism that they only keep the same 5 guys going after the belts at all. There have only been 3 world champions so far and each one defended against a TON of different guys throughout their reigns. Tbh, AEW has already done great at putting together a crop of talent for Kenny to face. Hangman, Darby, MJF, Miro... now Punk, Danielson and eventually Cole. Not to mention guys like Jungle Boy who are rising quick, and a slew of other dudes who just need a bit more TV exposure before they can be easily bought as top contenders. Plus, like I just mentioned to shady, they literally never have a former champion get extended rematches or anything like that - when they lose a title, the title moves on without them.

It's too early to say but I feel like the Bucks will take the same route most former champs in AEW do when they drop the belt and stay away for a while. Them being in the tag title picture just makes sense considering they were one of the more established teams on the roster and there needed to be a foundation for that division. No one would have cared if it was something like Best Friends vs. Hybrid 2 in the early going of the company, you know? That said, they spent a lot of time away from the titles before actually winning them.
theJaw
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* 6-Sep-2021(#69)
I don't mean to come off as an AEW fanboy either. I was a defender of WWE during their roughest days but began souring on them even before AEW popped up. I'm still a "WWE fan" as I have been my entire life, and like what they're doing with some of the guys over there, but there's just better wrestling on TV weekly now. I just feel like we should be giving credit where credit's due and holding off on the standard wrestling complaints in order to allow AEW the benefit of the doubt considering they've only been around for 3ish years . They've definitely proven to be more competent than not in that time (exploding ring matches notwithstanding). If they start WWE-ing it up within the next few years then by all means, rake them over the coals, but they're really still in their "engine revving" mode getting ready to take off and I feel it's too early to tell how they "commonly" handle the roster spots.

I will say that after All Out last night, it definitely feels like they entered into a new "era" in a similar way that WWE had distinct moments that marked new eras over their history. So we'll see where they go from here, now that they have the roster they do.
Sun
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6-Sep-2021(#70)
WWE has long moved past catering to wrestling fans. They are a sports entertainment company now. I'm hopeful that AEW will continue their momentum. And once VKM kicks the bucket, perhaps WWE can turn things around and make WWE booking much better.
theJaw
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* 6-Sep-2021(#71)
Yeah, to be fair I'd still consider just about any pro wrestling "sports entertainment"... it's just that Vince seems to have forgotten that his product revolves around pro wrestling and not comedy, or skits, or movies. AEW can get just as "sports entertainment" in spots but they understand that the core of that entertainment is the wrestling itself and so that's what they focus on delivering.

I don't hope for the dude's death but I agree in that I don't see WWE coming out of this nose dive until Vince is out of the picture as the "final word" when it comes to booking. I posted a while back how you can track his career and note that most of his big victories were accidents that he just reacted to as opposed to any focused business plan being followed through on. With other companies proving to be just as, if not more, competent at running an entertaining pro wrestling show as him, I'm afraid his "tripping into success" days are over. Thankfully for him, WWE is already a public conglomerate being run by several businessmen so he and his family will never need to worry about money, but I think it's safe to say that the dude is entirely creatively bankrupt at this point.
theJaw
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6-Sep-2021(#72)
Fourth episode of Heels opens with a board meeting between the higher ups of the "big time" promotion "up North". They're presenting one of the long time stars of the company with the new World title belt that they designed in hopes of selling more toys, going into detail about how the logo will go right in the center so that the cheap seats can see it.

Remind you guys of anything? haha

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* 6-Sep-2021(#73)
lazarro wrote:
> just saw the supposed line up for wwe raw tonight


Who knows if that script will get torn up again. Supposedly a text message was sent out to all creative team members for an "emergency meeting" before Raw.

edit: Ok now they say Vince isn't even backstage at Raw tonight. Buckle up for a Bruce Prichard Production™.
theJaw
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6-Sep-2021(#74)
PizzaTheHutt wrote:

> edit: Ok now they say Vince isn't even backstage at Raw tonight. Buckle up for a
> Bruce Prichard Production™.
>

Oof, a Bruce Prichard production via a 3-hour Vince McMahon Skype call.

That'll put butts in seats.
akfa
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7-Sep-2021(#75)
All Out was so good. Like everyone, seeing the Lucha Bros get that W after all this time was really worth it. Kenny's title run still has a lot of steam in it, I'm excited to have Hangman eventually come back and establish himself amongst all these guys, and hopefully finally get the W over Kenny. No idea what will happen but that's my dream end to Kenny's run. Seeing the comparisons of Punk/Darby to the classic Bret/123 Kid match was so cool.
PizzaTheHutt
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7-Sep-2021(#76)
The ol' Observer says the costs for The Final Countdown were just too high but Tony did look into it.

akfa
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7-Sep-2021(#77)
i thought the song he came out to was freaking awesome. i've listened to it on youtube a lot of times in the past 24-36 hours
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PizzaTheHutt wrote:
> The ol' Observer says the costs for The Final Countdown were just too high but Tony
> did look into it.
>
>

Yeah I'm remembering reports form back in the day where ROH would've needed to pay $50k PER APPEARANCE if they wanted him to keep that music. TK may have a crapload of money, but that's fudging ridiculous. Europe needs to chill out haha

I remember being bummed that he didn't enter to The Final Countdown when he faced Davey Richards during ROH The Final Countdown Tour: Boston. At that point they were on HDNet and couldn't use licensed music unless they paid for it.

Another reason why I collect old ROH DVDs. You'll never be able to witness Bryan Danielson making his iconic, epic Final Countdown entrance unless you watch his matches on ROH DVD... even the Honor Club streaming service edits out any entrances with licensed music. The DVDs are legit the only way to see the shows as they were originally presented.
theJaw
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7-Sep-2021(#79)
akfa wrote:
> i thought the song he came out to was freaking awesome. i've listened to it on youtube
> a lot of times in the past 24-36 hours

Would have preferred Final Countdown but yah, his new Flight of the Valkyrie remix is pretty badass.
theJaw
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* 7-Sep-2021(#80)
It's being reported that Kevin Owens' contract is up "a lot sooner than expected", which sounds like it may be another Adam Cole situation or close to it. Back in July he tweeted and then immediately deleted the coordinates of Mount Rushmore, which shares a name with the faction he was a part of with Adam Cole and the Young Bucks in PWG. Obviously take it with a grain of salt but after this past weekend, I wouldn't be surprised by anything. Sami Zayn's contract is up in the Fall and if I were him, I'd be SHAKING to get out of WWE's midcard to bring back El Generico in a different promotion.

EDIT: Turns out it isn't a Cole situation and WWE has known his contract is ending soon. Which you know, I'd hope. Interesting that there are no reports of him being offered an extension with all this contract-ending news.
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8-Sep-2021(#81)
I read it's up in January, no idea if that's true or not. That's not far off though.
lazarro
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Gonna try and watch AEW Dynamite

Looks like wwe has a few talent contracts ending coming up

Anyway

surprised Cole went to AEW but am shocked he did a media after his debut Sunday
lazarro
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8-Sep-2021(#84)
The miz will be on dancing with the stars

Gotta see how good or bad he is

lazarro
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8-Sep-2021(#85)
Anyone watching heelz

I haven't seen if maybe glow is a better series to watch even though it's cancelled

theJaw
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* 8-Sep-2021(#86)
lazarro wrote:
> Anyone watching heelz
>
> I haven't seen if maybe glow is a better series to watch even though it's cancelled
>
>

lol Heels is spelled with an "s" but is on Starz. I've mentioned it a bunch in this thread and the review thread. It's pretty great so far, save for Stephen Amell's performance (which I'm never a fan of). Still, he's growing on me and everything around him is great. Lots of stuff for a wrestling fan to pick up on but I feel like it'd be just as good for non-wrestling fans.

And GLOW is 100% worth the watch. Tbh that third season finale works to SOME degree as a series finale but is just super abrupt and leaves certain character relationships up in the air. I'll never forgive Netflix for beginning production on Season 4 before axing it for seemingly no reason.
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8-Sep-2021(#87)
theJaw wrote:
> lazarro wrote:
>> Anyone watching heelz
>>
>> I haven't seen if maybe glow is a better series to watch even though it's cancelled
>>
>>
>
> lol Heels is spelled with an "s" but is on Starz. I've mentioned it a bunch in this
> thread and the review thread. It's pretty great so far, save for Stephen Amell's
> performance (which I'm never a fan of). Still, he's growing on me and everything
> around him is great. Lots of stuff for a wrestling fan to pick up on but I feel like
> it'd be just as good for non-wrestling fans.
>
> And GLOW is 100% worth the watch. Tbh that third season finale works to SOME degree
> as a series finale but is just super abrupt and leaves certain character relationships
> up in the air. I'll never forgive Netflix for beginning production on Season 4 before
> axing it for seemingly no reason.

My two biggest modern too early axes are Good Girls Revolt on Amazon and GLOW on Netflix. GLOW was fantastic and was loaded with great talent. The thing that kills me the most is I really think Season 4 was going to be the last season either way so it would have been nice to get that.
PizzaTheHutt
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* 8-Sep-2021(#88)
Dang.
Paul Levesque, a.k.a. Triple H, underwent a successful procedure last week at Yale New Haven Hospital following a cardiac event. The episode was caused by a genetic heart issue and Paul is expected to make a full recovery.
https://www.wwe.com/article/paul-triple-h-levesque...

This could be the reason why Vince wasn't backstage at Raw or last week's SmackDown.
lazarro
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8-Sep-2021(#89)
so adam cole is a heel with the elite?
theJaw
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* 8-Sep-2021(#90)
lazarro wrote:
> so adam cole is a heel with the elite?

Yah, they were all part of the Bullet Club back in the day and Cole used to be on Be The Elite constantly before signing to WWE. He returned at All Out as if he was going to attack Kenny but then they pulled the swerve by having him join The Elite before pulling the SECOND swerve of Bryan Danielson saving the day.

Makes more sense than him just randomly being face vs the Elite. AEW does good with wrestlers' histories and continuity.
theJaw
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* 8-Sep-2021(#91)
Can't say I'm in LOVE with the decision to put Punk in a program with Team Taz right away, but I'm sure the matches will be worth a watch - especially Punk/Starks. Tbh Team Taz and Matt Hardy's HFO just don't do it for me, they should disband both factions and let each tag team or individual do their own thing.

The setup for Omega/Danielson, with the Adam Cole/Elite situation as the underlying issue, fudging rules though. Reminds me of an NJPW angle when NJPW was still at the prime of the Bullet Club.
lazarro
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9-Sep-2021(#92)
i'm not a fan of adam cole joining elite right away a proper build should have occured

but in retrospect @theJaw if he did wrestle as part of the bullet club faction before then i it would make sense. real sense for him joining AEW to so he could i guess calling it wrestling with his wrestling buddies

so i dot have an issue

it was interesting seeing who sided with danielson vs the elite> With jurassic express involved they should be used a little moree

----

the MJF - pllsman's son/ family encounter was intriguing i thought maybe they would continue the jericho feud so wh knows

loved the cm punk vs taz segment i thought they would continue punk vs darby allen feud unless it was a one time thing

AEW dont get me wrong are doing things right but dont fudge feuds ending them prematurely early unless its good reason.
shadyfozzie
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9-Sep-2021(#93)
I could see an Adam Cole/Young bucks swerve and turn on Omega, especially if the rumors that Owens contract is expiring..
theJaw
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lazarro wrote:
>
> the MJF - pllsman's son/ family encounter was intriguing i thought maybe they would
> continue the jericho feud so wh knows
>
> loved the cm punk vs taz segment i thought they would continue punk vs darby allen
> feud unless it was a one time thing
>
> AEW dont get me wrong are doing things right but dont fudge feuds ending them prematurely
> early unless its good reason.

The MJF/Jericho feud ending is faaaar from premature. That match at All Out was their fourth match since they legitimately started feuding - something they've been doing for the past half year. But even before that, the angle between the two guys has been going for more than a year. A LOT more than a year if you count all the little hints that teased MJF secretly building The Pinnacle (his faction) that got dropped in the background of Dynamite segments from time to time.

Punk/Darby was always going to be a one-off thing to reintroduce Punk to the ring. They're both faces and that match was built off a mutual respect - you can't get much more than what they already did out of that without making one of them more antagonistic or full heel. Makes perfect sense to tie Punk up with some established heels now, even if I don't love the faction they chose as it exists in its current state.
lazarro
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9-Sep-2021(#95)
Ric flair to debut in aew as Andrade's manager
theJaw
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He did it in AAA last month, see no reason why he shouldn't in AEW too. Would be neat to see a Flair/Arn/Tully reunion somehow too. Heck, if we're counting the forgettable mid-90s iteration of The Four Horseman, you could even throw Dean Malenko in there and have a Horseman lineup.
lazarro
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9-Sep-2021(#97)
I'm laughing after reading wwe management wanted to resign Adam cole as a manager

I would have shunned the company and gone to aew instead

Wwe is making me laugh
😆😆😆😆😆😆
theJaw
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10-Sep-2021(#98)
No salt toward any company or the other, and this will probably hurt my "I'm not a fanboy" insinuation from the other day, but if I'm being honest with myself - it really is AEW that's making me love wrestling again. Not only their show, but their interactions with other promotions are making me check out THEIR shows. I've watched several "smaller" promotions that I never would have otherwise. The whole "forbidden door" is so gosh darn wild. A landscape for pro wrestling that was literally impossible before AEW because of WWE's policies (for better or worse). Now we have a huge, nationally-distributed wrestling show with a mix of modern household names (and a plethora of upcoming stars) who is also actually willing to mix it up with NJPW, MLW, ROH, AAA, Impact, GCW, NWA, etc. This creates an unending combination of possible matches or stories to be told.

It's like WWE at its peak, if WWE actually worked with the hundreds of other worthy talents that they either signed for leverage or ignored for corporate reasons. It's the closest that we've got on a national level since 1980s WWF, where all these incredible territory WRESTLERS were getting signed by Vince Jr. and for brief pockets of time fans could have an excitement about what these guys could do on a way bigger stage. Unfortunately Vince Jr. and WWE have spent the past few decades seemingly purposely destroying any good will that was left from fans after the pillaging of the territories, and then building up and letting down the groups of fans that followed.

Now AEW is inviting this sort of crap. They're not trying to sign every popular wrestler in the world to long-term contracts to gain some monopoly on the pro wrestling world. They sign a core roster of individuals worth watching and then use the network of other incredible promotions to build dream matches that ultimately sell and make money for everyone involved. I am so friggin happy that the "norm" for pro wrestling in the US has changed in a big way even if WWE/"traditional" fanboys want to point out every nitpick to justify their saltiness toward this seismic shift.

AEW Dynamite got a rating of 1.32 on Wednesday, the biggest the show has gotten so far and the only pro wrestling show rating to rival WWE Raw in something like 22 years. As JR would (and still does) say, "business is about to pick up".
shadyfozzie
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10-Sep-2021(#99)
I remember watching Raw a few months ago and realized that within the first like 45 minutes of the show, there was no wrestling. It was promo, commercial, promo, commercial, guy walking to ring (who then cut a promo in the ring), commercial, then his opponent walks down and they finally wrestled.. It's hard to watch a WWE WRESTLING show when you don't friggin wrestle.
lazarro
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10-Sep-2021(#100)
So now officials at wwe are upset at mick foley for speaking his mind about their wrestling product on a podcast or something

Guess it's their way of denying what is not their truth of what is going instead of the real truth

It's frankly sad wwe used to be an enjoyable show to watch or read recaps. Not sure if I should bother doing that now

akfa
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10-Sep-2021(#101)
damn, 1.3 is such a fire rating at this point in time for a wrestling product this age. i have no idea what the future holds, but they killed nxt in the head to head and now things are really heating up. i feel as though the best is yet to come. it's a fun time to watch wrestling!
lazarro
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10-Sep-2021(#102)
I actually watched dynamite weds

In fact I think they are planting seeds to break up the dark order. I'm also.happy they don't have the dark order as the faces against the elite faction it wouldn't have been a good storyline fit
akfa
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10-Sep-2021(#103)
dark order needs a leader, page come back! :)
theJaw
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Yah I don't think it's a coincidence that Dark Order started to disintegrate as soon as Hangman took time off. I'm sure once he comes back, he'll knock them back into shape.

And tbh they may be called "Dark Order" and wear "spooky" attire (except for Colt Cabana lol), but they are far from an "evil, menacing" group or anything like that. They're full on faces and have been for a while. They started out as a wannabe "ministry" type situation but quickly changed things around with Brodie Lee and especially after Lee passed. I think Dark Order vs. The Elite would be a great angle and it was really starting to heat up when Dark Order pushed Page toward a title shot a few months back.

Even with Danielson going for the belt now, I still think Hangman will be the dude to take it off Kenny. It would be a great resolution to this "act" of his career. Being one of the first guys to even challenge for the title but never quite getting there, to then beat his former tag champ partner-turned-enemy Kenny Omega would just be great storytelling.

It's fun to talk about what's happening ON the wrestling show again as opposed to obsessing over what's going on behind the scenes of a wrestling show tbh.

akfa
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10-Sep-2021(#105)
theJaw wrote:

> Even with Danielson going for the belt now, I still think Hangman will be the dude
> to take it off Kenny.
>

this is my dream scenario- i feel if page comes back after all these new guys show up, and HE is the one who takes the belt off kenny, it could just catapult him to top tier fandom. i love page and the way this whole entire story has played out is amazing, page left full of self doubt, when he comes back he's going to get a huge pop, tossed right into the mix with the bigs, and hopefully get the title off kenny.
theJaw
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10-Sep-2021(#106)
Yah man, I still feel Hangman is an underrated talent even with how wildly over he's gotten in AEW.

I saw him live in a strap match vs. Frankie Kazarian at what I think was ROH Best in the World 2017 (same night Cody won the ROH title), and was just blown away by his performance. From that moment on, I knew he'd be a star, and I'm happy that has carried over into AEW.
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10-Sep-2021(#107)
BloodPuppetX
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That's really cool.
PizzaTheHutt
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10-Sep-2021(#109)
Now that I'm caught up on NXT, I've gotta give credit to whoever laid out this whole thing between In-Dex. It's the first (and probably last) phony ass 'rassling "wedding" I'll ever be looking forward to. Fun fact: little kid me didn't even like the Randy Savage/Elizabeth wedding. I used to watch SummerSlam '91 VHS on repeat over and over because I credit Mr. Perfect vs Bret Hart as the match that made me a lifelong fan, but that wedding later on in the show was just corny to me and so was pretty much every wedding angle that's been done since.

PizzaTheHutt
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11-Sep-2021(#110)
That MSG crowd was fire last night. Ariel Helwani says that was the highest grossing gate for any SmackDown event in the show's 20+ year history.

lazarro
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12-Sep-2021(#111)
well wwe officials pulled the mvp/lashley tag match and instead put a title match because of dynamite's rating

i have good odds tomorrows raw s programming is going to change more

cant wait to see dynamite weds

theJaw
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12-Sep-2021(#112)
Nothing new, it changes on the day every week.
theJaw
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12-Sep-2021(#113)
I always forget that I have ROH HonorClub but I suppose I'll be putting it to good use tonight since I'll be watching Death Before Dishonor XVIII.

I still like ROH and they're miles better than they were like 2 years ago but they desperately need some sort of adrenaline shot to their product. I don't understand why they have a guy like Dalton Castle in the lower undercard right now.

They need to get their crap together a bit, but I'm hoping for an entertaining show at least.
PizzaTheHutt
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* 12-Sep-2021(#114)
Samoa Joe just vacated the NXT title due to an alleged injury... poker face

theJaw
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Either Joe should just (unfortunately) hang up his boots or WWE's doctors should get a fudging clue. Either way, disappointing but I'm sure Vince is happy to move the belt to "his" next NXT standout.

It's either legit or just a way to move Joe off the NXT roster so they can completely rebrand it as more of a developmental territory which has been the rumor.
theJaw
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* 12-Sep-2021(#116)
A bit of a popcorn fart of a show for Death Before Dishonor XVIII. OGK vs. The Briscoes & Rok-C vs. Miranda Alize were the only real stand-out matches. Dalton Castle rules and still baffles me why he isn't in the World title picture, Gresham/Woods was really good until a ref botch gave away the ending and completely took the wind out of its sails (made even worse by it marking the end of Gresham's important run with the Pure title), and the main event was good but nothing extraordinary.

It's a shame for a company that used to be the premiere American promotion for great wrestling, especially considering it was their ascension in the pro wrestling world that made the brand of wrestling AEW puts out popular enough to reach those heights in the first place.
lazarro
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13-Sep-2021(#117)
So big e scheduled to be at raw

Writers dumb and smart to book him to cash his mib case contract opportunity

Orton vs Lashley

My gut tells me they won't book the cash in
mcorrado
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13-Sep-2021(#118)
lazarro wrote:
> So big e scheduled to be at raw
>
> Writers dumb and smart to book him to cash his mib case contract opportunity
>
> Orton vs Lashley
>
> My gut tells me they won't book the cash in


No chance it's cashed in. WWE using the media to try to drive up ratings is my guess.
theJaw
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* 13-Sep-2021(#119)
Welp whether it was done to pop ratings in response to Monday Night Football or the ascendance of AEW to the 1mil+ club, Big E becoming WWE Champion is absolutely something that will help ease me back into following Raw, at least slightly and for a little while. I really dig how they had E cash in after Lashley put a beat down on Orton, who he had just beat clean, and not the other way around. Lashley was still visibly selling some sort of leg injury, but it was a breath of fresh air for a cash-in to come when the champ wasn't COMPLETELY out of it.

Regardless of what's causing it, this actually-good creative direction can be considered proof that competition raises the quality of WWE's decision-making to some extent. Hopefully they keep this up, aka hopefully they give Big E a legitimate run with that title. I want it to be bigger and longer than Kofi's, mainly because I don't want it to be treated like an afterthought when it comes to ending it. Nobody should be squashing a beast like Big E the same way Lesnar squashed Kofi, especially considering THAT shouldn't have happened in the first place. WWE needs to build a new "super" star by proving that they can get behind a legitimately talented worker and let them be a true champion, and not just use the cash-in as a convenient ratings boost because the networks are getting pissed at them.

Also watched the Lashley/Orton match that preceded Big E's cash-in and it was honestly pretty good - with a lot of that due to Riddle's antics as a part of RKBro. I may be hesitant to the dude as a person but he's entertaining enough. Lashley deserves endless praise, though. This dude has over-delivered in just about every way since returning to WWE and biding his time in awful midcard feuds. He's been a workhorse since entering the main event and for a huge meaty muscle man, he has put on quite a few entertaining matches. He and Drew should be proud of how they carried Raw during the pandemic, imo.
theJaw
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13-Sep-2021(#120)
mcorrado wrote:
>
> No chance it's cashed in. WWE using the media to try to drive up ratings is my guess.

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haha but to be fair you're right - the cash in rumors/reports were 100% WWE using "leaks" to drive ratings, but them actually having it take place definitely adds to the significance and, hopefully (for WWE's sake), the long term ratings.
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13-Sep-2021(#121)
My brother and his girlfriend and kids went to that show tonight. Cool to see Big E as champion, though I would have preferred he cashed it in on Reigns.
theJaw
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13-Sep-2021(#122)
I don't feel like Reigns should lose that belt anytime soon to be honest. Reigns + Heyman is the most over act in WWE at the moment, and for once in a LONG time there's a homegrown WWE star who seems like they're a legitimately formidable, unbeatable badass (finally, after all those years of forced Cena-esque heroism). Big E adds something to the Raw title picture that Smackdown already has - something worth watching. As good as Drew and Bobby were, the angles they were involved in were "overcooked" as they had been seen over and over. Big E is a brand new element in the title picture and can hopefully make for some good TV, especially as the out-of-nowhere champion having to now defend against all comers.

I really hope WWE doesn't muck this thing up because it's a legitimately good opportunity for them to stay relevant in the current wrestling landscape and, wildly enough, it all boils down to pushing wrestlers that people already legitimately enjoy.

theJaw
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13-Sep-2021(#123)
Oh just realized that was in Boston. Always happy to see the hometown get some historic wrestling moments haha
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Come to think of it, Reigns and Big E will wrestle at Survivor Series, if they're both still champion then.
theJaw
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14-Sep-2021(#125)
Little champ vs champ would be fun in that case for sure.
mcorrado
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14-Sep-2021(#126)
Welp I was wrong lol. Didn't realize big E was from Boston, but still would have guessed they did some sort of swerve. Guess we will see how this run goes. WWE is running out of large "pop" factors and will have to rely on creative writing soon.

No more briefcases or legends to come back at this point.
lazarro
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14-Sep-2021(#127)
i give credit to wwe never expected the successful booking of big e winning the title. Course now you have going to Raw Big E, so maybe new day gets reunited.

I have to admit it i still the tag team divisions in WWE are still weak and needs improvement but i give the edge to Raw as trying to be a more established. Smackdown's tag team division is weak and awful

I really hope the upcoming draft brings freshness to the product.

i agree with @theJaw i dont see reigns or usos being booked to lose the titles anytime soon quite yet.



PizzaTheHutt
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14-Sep-2021(#128)
lazarro wrote:
> i give credit to wwe never expected the successful booking of big e winning the title.
> Course now you have going to Raw Big E, so maybe new day gets reunited.


I really hope not. Getting away from them was one of the best things that happened for him. I couldn't take him serious as a world champion if he was still flinging pancakes into the crowd. That shtick worked with The New Day, but he deserves to be known for more than just that.
theJaw
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* 14-Sep-2021(#129)
I'd be 100% into the New Day reforming. It's okay for top stars to be part of a team that isn't just a faction focused solely on one top star. New Day specifically share such an obvious real-life bond and the chemistry translates to TV in a more natural way than anything else WWE has presented in years. I know WWE doesn't treat tag teams like they're comprised of actual individuals worth paying attention to, but they are, and thankfully it seems the company has unbelievably forgotten their bias against tag teams when it comes to The New Day.

The New Day is the literal best thing that's ever happened to any of the 3 guys in it - that's the gimmick that brought them ALL to the upper tier. They're suddenly one of if not THE most influential tag teams in WWE's history and have boosted both Kofi Kingston and Big E into the major championship picture. And yes, this version of Big E is still very much "New Day" Big E despite the music change. It'd be a very simple transition to put them all back together.
theJaw
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* 15-Sep-2021(#130)
Bryan Danielson vs. Kenny Omega is happening on free TV in a week. What a time to be alive.

It won't be a title shot, but I expect Danielson to beat Omega on Dynamite in order to warrant a title shot at Full Gear. If I were to book that direction, I'd have Danielson beat Omega on Dynamite, have Omega beat Danielson at Full Gear, and have Hangman return at Full Gear to finally pay off the Omega/Page feud at whatever big event they hold after Full Gear, be it a PPV or just a special Dynamite.

But I certainly won't be complaining if they end up just putting the belt on Danielson. No other guy in the history of wrestling has deserved to be skyrocketed to the top of a promotion like Danielson, especially after his constant clawing in WWE. I just want to make sure Hangman wins that thing from whoever holds it whenever he returns and works himself back into that spot on the card.

theJaw
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15-Sep-2021(#131)
gosh darn this is the card for next week's "Dynamite Grand Slam" at Arthur Ashe Stadium:

Non-title: Kenny Omega vs. Bryan Danielson
Cody Rhodes vs. Malakai Black
AEW Women's World Championship: Dr. Britt Baker, D.M.D. (c) vs. Ruby Soho
FTR vs. Sting & Darby Allin
MJF vs. Brian Pillman Jr.
CM Punk interview

Probably the best TV card booked in a real, real long time. I'm actually starting to think Page may just return at the end of this show and not make us wait as long as I originally thought.
akfa
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16-Sep-2021(#132)
Dynamite was insane last night. The crowd was on fire.
lazarro
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16-Sep-2021(#133)
rumors are bray wyatt may appear somewhere soon

speculation may be AEW with association with the Dark Order However that would mean maybe turning them heels unless Wyatt(forgot real name) would consider being a face character. Any scenario would be interesting though.

I did watch Dynamite but missed part because i watching a non wrestling movie on Amazon Prime.

theJaw
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16-Sep-2021(#134)
Dark Order have said time and time again that they don't want/need a new "leader", so I doubt Bray's involved with them at all tbh
lazarro
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16-Sep-2021(#135)
decided to watch an old wrestling promotion so i watched mid south wrestling episode i found on youtube

episode i watched was awesome

tony atlas
ted dibiase
mr wrestling 2
kamala the giant
jim duggan pre hacksaw versus marty lundy(arn anderson)
chavo guerrero sr i believe

quite entertaining especially since they mainly wrestled unlike nowadays where you have the snoring monologues in the ring or backstage skits which are half of time not amusing

theJaw
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* 17-Sep-2021(#136)
New episode of Dark Side of the Ring...... fudgein big yikes. I had only ever heard the story about Lesnar and Mr Perfect getting into a fight whenever the "Plane Ride from Hell" was talked about. It's actually insane how much more shady crap happened and was just completely brushed over.
PizzaTheHutt
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17-Sep-2021(#137)
I haven't watched it yet, but I've heard that Tommy Dreamer pretty much canceled himself. He wasn't even on the damn flight but apparently he gives Ric Flair a free pass for sexual assault. Tommy has since been suspended from Impact Wrestling and his appearances on Busted Open Radio.

I'll probably watch it later, but if anyone else wants to watch
https://www.vicetv.com/en_us/video/the-plane-ride-...
PizzaTheHutt
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17-Sep-2021(#138)
Fans are trying to convince AEW to never hire Ric Flair too
https://www.ringsidenews.com/2021/09/17/fans-call-...

theJaw
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17-Sep-2021(#139)
Oh yah, Dreamer stepped in it hard and just came off as an unbelievable douchebag. There were always the stories of Flair running around with just his robe on, pulling his wiener out and whatnot, but he apparently cornered and began touching one of the flight attendant's that they interviewed for the episode. Dreamer then shames her, wondering why she didn't go to the cops sooner and firmly asserting that he believes Flair would pull his crap out but never force himself on anyone. I guess not realizing, that flashing people is a forceful means of sexual abuse any way you shake a stick at it.

Scott Hall was also apparently close to death due to having drank so much and done so many drugs, but before almost dying he also pulled a flight attendant toward him and ripped the buttons off her shirt before he passed out outta nowhere.

I guess Lesnar pulled his dick out in front of Terri Runnels and Goldust back when they were still together. Unfortunately instead of defending her Goldust just told her to "no sell it" so she wouldn't have to worry about losing her job. Thankfully there's some redemption for Goldust though, as he's the one that physically went to the back of the plane to stop Flair from sexually assaulting the flight attendant more.

They also cut off Michael Hayes' ponytail while he was asleep, which is definitely crapty but also kinda rules if I'm being honest.

All the while Vince was ON THE PLANE, but kept himself locked away in his private area while having JR need to be the one to try to calm everyone down. That was blatantly impossible and JR stood no chance, and he makes a good point in the episode by saying that it shouldn't have been HIS responsibility to make sure grown men didn't act like children. Just pretty shady that Vince was there and didn't give a fudge about any of the crap going on.

JR also mentioned that Goldust was either fired or suspended for having sung over the plane's PA system on that plane ride, but then the interviewer straight up asks JR point blank "why didn't that happen to Ric Flair?" JR was at a loss for words, said he had no answer and that Flair being a "made man" got him a "pass" in the long run.

Pretty fudgeed up situation and disappointing to hear all around (except for my dude Goldust).
theJaw
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* 17-Sep-2021(#140)
PizzaTheHutt wrote:
> Fans are trying to convince AEW to never hire Ric Flair too
>
>

I wouldn't be surprised to never see Flair in any prominent way on TV ever again. I guess it's lucky for him and his fans that he got one final send-off in an NWA ring a few weeks ago because now he's likely going to be riding off into the sunset.

We also need to keep in mind that it's VERY likely every single wrestler or wrestling personality who was around at that time (and probably most who weren't) were likely already aware of this bullcrap and just had to sit on it all these years. So this stuff is only really a revelation to us viewers, which is an unsettling thought.
theJaw
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17-Sep-2021(#141)
I didn't even mention how RVD states that drugging people's drinks was fairly common even at the time of this plane ride, and that it happened to at least two people ON the plane (Hayes being one of them).
PizzaTheHutt
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17-Sep-2021(#142)
I recall them talking about bits and pieces of the plane ride back on an episode of WWE Legends of Wrestling on WWE 24/7 On Demand (a few years before WWE Network/Peacock days). They discussed part of the Ric Flair thing, Brock, Goldust, X-Pac, etc.
Obviously now it would appear they left out some of the more important details on purpose. Years ago it was suggested they threw that flight attendant a big check to keep quiet about it all, but maybe it was only enough to buy 19 years of silence.

theJaw
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* 18-Sep-2021(#143)
Can't even kinda sleep so it's almost 4AM but I'm over here watching the replay of the GCW Highest in the Room PPV from earlier tonight.

2nd match in, holy crap 2 Cold Scorpio is not only still wrestling but also still fudging rules. Really impressive for a dude his age.

Two really fun matches so far, apparently it's a show worth watching so I'm into it.
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* 18-Sep-2021(#144)
theJaw wrote:
> Pretty fudgeed up situation and disappointing to hear all around (except for my dude
> Goldust).

I still haven't watched the episode myself yet, but from what I've seen on Twitter, Goldust was just as big of a piece of crap as Flair and the others that night, but for some reason they neglected to mention it in that episode. He asked one of the flight attendants if her boobs were real, then grabs her ass and tells her "you and me are gonna fudge" and started rubbing his groin on her.

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PizzaTheHutt
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18-Sep-2021(#145)
Also on the Observer they confirmed Vince was not on that specific flight.

theJaw
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18-Sep-2021(#146)
PizzaTheHutt wrote:
> Also on the Observer they confirmed Vince was not on that specific flight.
>
>

Yah I found out last night that Goldust was also apparently crapty, which wasn't covered on the episode. And the episode straight up says Vince was on the plane, so either they made a mistake or Meltzer did (which happens fairly often).
theJaw
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* 18-Sep-2021(#147)
theJaw wrote:
> gosh darn this is the card for next week's "Dynamite Grand Slam" at Arthur Ashe Stadium:
>
>
> Non-title: Kenny Omega vs. Bryan Danielson
> Cody Rhodes vs. Malakai Black
> AEW Women's World Championship: Dr. Britt Baker, D.M.D. (c) vs. Ruby Soho
> FTR vs. Sting & Darby Allin
> MJF vs. Brian Pillman Jr.
> CM Punk interview
>
> Probably the best TV card booked in a real, real long time.

And now the "Rampage Grand Slam" card looks fudgein fantastic too. 2 hour episode!

Anna Jay vs. Penelope Ford
Lights Out Match: Jon Moxley and Eddie Kingston vs. Lance Archer and Minoru Suzuki
The Lucha Brothers & Santana and Ortiz vs. Private Party & The Butcher and The Blade
CM Punk vs. Powerhouse Hobbs
Chris Jericho and Jake Hager vs. Ethan Page and Scorpio Sky with Dan Lambert
Adam Cole and The Young Bucks vs. Impact World Champion Christian Cage and Jurassic Express

Add Roman Reigns & The Usos vs. The New Day that will be happening on Raw, and it's going to be a FUN week for wrestling fans.
PizzaTheHutt
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19-Sep-2021(#148)
Caught up on NXT today. The redesigned venue looks so much nicer. Previously it looked like the fans were locked in a plexiglass cage or something. Kinda looked like it would have been more fitting for those old Raw Underground segments.

The "wedding" was alright. It was corny as hell (just like every single one before it), but this one was obviously intentionally so.
Mandy Rose looks so much better now. I kinda never got what the fuss was about with blondes and why so many dudes seem to prefer them...

Ciampa as champion, I'm alright with that. I would have liked to see Joe have a longer reign, but I still don't know what is even going on with that (if the injury was even legit or not).
PizzaTheHutt
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* 19-Sep-2021(#149)
I don't remember if I had asked this before, but those of you that signed up for Peacock during the initial merger with WWE Network, and they gave you a free week of one of the tiers, have you been getting billed two separate times (a week apart) each month since July? For me it's the 21st and 28th and I kinda don't like it. I think I'm going to unsubscribe tomorrow (I'll miss Extreme Rules but idc) and then resubscribe in the first week of October and get both tiers to bill me on the same day. It's not that big of a problem, but I'd just prefer to not have it split up like that.

theJaw
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19-Sep-2021(#150)
Ciampa as champion is perfect. The rest of that NXT episode was fudging awful.
PizzaTheHutt
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* 19-Sep-2021(#151)
I like those chicks whose theme music is obviously ripping off "inspired" by Marilyn Manson's cover of Sweet Dreams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow9KCBMSNVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUvVdTlA23w
PizzaTheHutt
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20-Sep-2021(#152)
WWE Magazine cover from back in 2006

lazarro
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21-Sep-2021(#153)
So from reading

Creative is turning Dominic heel
Whatever

Nia jax taking time off with bayzler attacking I assume Jax may be coming back as a face

I will say reigns on raw and big e on smackdown culminating in a stable match was Intriguing

I assume rhea rippley is face now as couldn't tell what side of the fence she was

I'm excited about rampage being two hours though

Can't believe wwe was quick to disown ric flair he should have been given time to explain

Reminds me of Benoit situation but that is a whole different monster that doesn't need retreading

That's my opinion for the week
theJaw
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21-Sep-2021(#154)
Fudge Ric Flair
lazarro
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22-Sep-2021(#155)
So McMahon wants nxt 2.0 to be more risqué
Geez I wonder why

AEW, product being flat or change of direction

I nominate all the above

And yes I have to say only thing I'll come close to wwe is the topps wrestling collector's app
lazarro
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22-Sep-2021(#156)
So it's been in the news gran Metalik wants no part of wwe claiming not being used

I'm gonna play devils advocate for wwe

If management likes certain talent they will be on tv or shows. Yes they still have a roster but they can only do so many storylines and have time on aired shows

In the 80,s which was different era of wrestling. Not everyone was wrestling talent vs talent. It was talent vs jobbers
theJaw
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22-Sep-2021(#157)
Metalik should be featured anywhere he wrestles. Dude is incredible in the ring.
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If AEW had nuts they would just bring Flair out as a heel right now lol

The owen thing was gross and rubbed me the wrong way

Noticed way too late everyone in AEW is a white guy besides Cody's wife lol
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Sting Vs. Hogan in AEW will be the ultimate exercise in modern wrestling fan hypocrisy
theJaw
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* 22-Sep-2021(#160)
Sam wrote:
> If AEW had nuts they would just bring Flair out as a heel right now lol
>
> The owen thing was gross and rubbed me the wrong way

Owen Hart? What was gross about it? Nothing even happened on TV. They just released a press statement about working with his family to bring awareness to his charity and honor his life. Oh, and they announced a tournament in his name but I mean... that happens for wrestlers constantly.

I wouldn't say it's much more gross than forcing him to do a stunt he wasn't comfortable with, causing him to plummet to his death and then still carrying on the show regardless. Silly Vince.

>
> Noticed way too late everyone in AEW is a white guy besides Cody's wife lol

Huh? Hobbs, Big Swole, Jade Cargil, Red Velvet, Fuego, Shida, Starks, Ortiz, Santana, etc etc etc.
theJaw
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* 22-Sep-2021(#161)
Sam wrote:
> Sting Vs. Hogan in AEW will be the ultimate exercise in modern wrestling fan hypocrisy

The majority of fans are pissy about old guys coming back to win world titles and become the primary focus of the shows, like Goldberg recently. When AEW does something like that with guys as terrible at wrestling as Goldberg, instead of having actually good veterans help put over the younger guys like they have been, you'll have a point.

Haven't heard anything about Hogan coming to AEW and I doubt they have any interest in him.
theJaw
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22-Sep-2021(#162)
Anyhow Danielson vs Omega was fudging great and they pulled a classic ROH style time limit draw. Incredible in ring work but an even better excuse to justify an eventual rematch.
akfa
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23-Sep-2021(#163)
some posts in here looking like the comments in wrestling twitter, lol
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23-Sep-2021(#164)
Rick Steiner's son Bron Breakker is pretty damn good. I'm impressed. I checked his wiki to see how long he's been wrestling before NXT and it says he only made his debut in October last year and was signed by WWE in February this year, so he's not been at it very long but he picked up quick. The name they gave him kinda sucks, but like other released guys have admitted, he might've been the one who chose it himself.

akfa
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23-Sep-2021(#165)
>
>>
>> Noticed way too late everyone in AEW is a white guy besides Cody's wife lol
>
> Huh? Hobbs, Big Swole, Jade Cargil, Red Velvet, Fuego, Shida, Starks, Ortiz, Santana,
> etc etc etc.

Lucha Bros, Max Caster, Bowens, Andrade, Hook, Taz, Excalibur, Miro (does he count as white?), Thunder Rosa, Sammy, Top Flight, Private Party, is this really even a thing?
theJaw
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23-Sep-2021(#166)
@akfa between your post and mine, we named like half the roster lol. "Just white guys" my tush.

However Excalibur is stark white.
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I'm not really trying to troll or argue about it since it goths me out so much but Bret's behavior towards Vince is why Owen even had to do the stunt, and Bret is still a giant mark for himself to this day
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Anyway.. I googled it and theres tons of articles about AEWs fake diversity/token bullcrap lol https://dailyddt.com/2021/08/13/aew-diversity-lack...

i didn't even see any of these before i called it out.. but yeah AEW is like the racist incel pro wrestling company even tho I know you guys are cool-ish.


"I told Brandi one time that I don't see color and she said 'well, then you don't see my experience,'" - @CodyRhodes on how being in an interracial marriage has helped with diversity in @AEWrestling and why diversity will be a way of life and not a publicity stunt.

Lol
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TNA lategame comeback after they hook David Benoit up with a job
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Jaw to Cody: You dont have a girlfriend
theJaw
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* 23-Sep-2021(#171)
Lol Sam my man, you are the source of misinformation. Try, you know, to not.

Do we need to call somebody, are you okay?
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theJaw wrote:
> @akfa between your post and mine, we named like half the roster lol. "Just white
> guys" my tush.
>
> However Excalibur is stark white.

oh ok did not know that, i stand corrected on him
akfa
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* 23-Sep-2021(#173)
i love the 'Vince does no wrong' mindset. I don't even care if you like wwe, or love wwe, or whatever, I think you should watch whatever makes you happiest and you find fun, but saying things like the company has only one non white person is just dumb and can be proven wrong at any point. I personally like to watch because it's super fun to me, and I don't typically engage in the shenanigans, but I can't help but wonder what makes people so hostile towards a wrestling product. Were you like this in the 90s when WCW was around? Articles like the one posted, which talk about "Shida being relegated to Dark" aren't even sensical- most of the stars cycle through Dark and they use it sometimes as a way to get W's and shake up the rankings. Britt Baker, before her title shot, spent a few weeks getting W's on Dark (not dynamite) to get a winning streak going. There's nothing wrong with Shida being there and wrestling there, she'll cycle her way back into the mix in no time.
theJaw
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* 23-Sep-2021(#174)
I mean it's Sam, all that dude does is post bullcrap so it's not surprising. But I agree 100%, grown ass men acting like crapty kids over pro wrestling is about as bottom of the barrel as one gets.

Also Shida was Women's champion for over a year. So that article can get the literal fudge outta here with the "regulated" BS. I'm sure Sam, and the writer of said article, doesn't follow the product and just craps on it to be the edgy wrestling fan. And not for nothing Dark and Elevation are still well received by fans because they feature good wrestling - so what's to complain about?

But to be honest, they probably were like that when WCW was around. That's where all this stems from. Because WWE retold the story of that ratings war as if it were a LITERAL OH MY GOD WAR TAKE US SERIOUSLY war, now all their diehard dork fans take any competition personally. It's fudgein DORKY.
akfa
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yeah, a couple times i've ventured into "wrestling twitter" and it's like hell in there. just raging insanity. oh well. i'll just keep watching what i enjoy and everyone else can do the same, and have a blast.
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23-Sep-2021(#176)
I thought AEW guys were the edgy wrestling botchamania fans... but yeah... i watch AEW...i wouldn't kick them any money tho. its just really cringy to see the new trendy fans hate on WWE while cheering on wrestlers from WWE while using WWE crowdchants. Basically what bugs me most about AEW is how the crowd is seemingly all one type of wrestling nerd. Feels even less like wrestling than Lucha Underground did, but in a different and more sterile way imo. Cody has a weird preconceived beef with Vince because of him equating Stardust with Vince making his dad wear polka dots, but the fact of the matter is that Cody just isn't all that great at wrestling (80 year old Dustin is miles better still) and Stardust, if not dashing/masked Cody was the most interesting crap he's ever done. So I guess blame Cody's main character syndrome on Vince. Dude is so desperate to get the brand over he got a tattoo on his face to appeal to gen Z, which is admirable or whatever...but again, slightly cringe. It's really weird and offensive to me that AEW copies ECW and old WWF Bret Hart matches but the AEW fans think ECW/WWF is trash. Also weird that AEW fans suddenly have nostalgia goggles for good ol' boy WCW, which at times sucked to a level WWF could never aspire to and held down legends that only got to shine because they went on to WWF. Using Owen's ghost to get over is scummier and cheaper than something even Vince would do...somehow. You guys are getting worked by Vince to believe in his Mr. Mcmahon wrestling character. I'm amused that AEW fans have bought in so hard and fast and become disrespectful to everything that's come before it just because this is the first promotion to start off with the benefit of having contemporary social media.

*punches light bulb out*

Jaw, every post you make seems like you're tweaking on vyvanse/ritalin, and I've already got the smoking skull belt from that match you tapped out of.. Cody's gonna ban you from watching AEW for a month over that politically incorrect mental health crack....
theJaw
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23-Sep-2021(#177)
Oh I certainly didn't read any of that.
Sam
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24-Sep-2021(#178)
I kept it half as long as one of ur posts so i thought youd be able to speed thru it like a chapter of a marvel comic book

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theJaw
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* 24-Sep-2021(#179)
lol bud, don't pretend like you had ever heard of Bearcat Wright before seeing that incredibly-edited tweet collage.

It'd be super cool if WWE could just build up a new star, call him Keith Lee (gasp), and not have to hearken back to another wrestler of color just because of his color. Wild concept, I know, but that's WWE for ya.

Can't wait for Chad "Hitman" Gable since he and Bret Hart are both white dudes!!! Yes WWE!!!!
theJaw
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* 24-Sep-2021(#180)
Eff it, I'll give you a comic book chapter since I can't sleep.


Sam wrote:
> I thought AEW guys were the edgy wrestling botchamania fans... but yeah... i watch
> AEW...i wouldn't kick them any money tho.

You'd know there were more people of color than just Brandi Rhodes if you actually watched AEW. Yoooou don't... and that's okay (just stop pretending you do in order to complain).

> its just really cringy to see the new
> trendy fans hate on WWE while cheering on wrestlers from WWE while using WWE crowdchants.

This is just internet/twitter fans. And to be fair, you're acting like this exact fan but just swinging in WWE's direction instead. You MUST realize this. The people you see chanting "YES" for Danielson VERY likely don't give a fudge about what folks on the internet are talking about.

And CM Punk/Bryan Danielson/Adam Cole... they're not "wrestlers from WWE". They're wrestlers who worked for WWE, who WWE would never have signed in a hundred million years if they weren't already popular and buzzworthy enough by the time of their signing. Come on now.

Also, fans have been hating on WWE for fudging decades now. The people dying on WWE's hill to this day have been hating on WWE for decades, just now deciding that they apparently can't live without sucking Vince's boner.

I stuck around for a while, and I still enjoy a bit of WWE's output, but sometimes it's okay to just call a spade a spade and not get as offended about it as you are. Just because folks now enjoy AEW doesn't make them "trendy" solely because you legitimately try NOT to enjoy it. And weirdly enough, several folks who criticized WWE for all those years suddenly seem like diehard "us vs them" dorks. If you're basing your argument off the same fans you claim to, you DEFINITELY need to acknowledge the toxicity from WWE diehards or it seems like you're just talking crap to talk crap.

> Basically what bugs me most about AEW is how the crowd is seemingly all one type
> of wrestling nerd. Feels even less like wrestling than Lucha Underground did, but
> in a different and more sterile way imo.

Yeah.... this is just a silly take. AEW can be just as "sports entertainment" as WWE while being just as "indie darling" as ROH, saying that there's only "one type of wrestling nerd" who enjoy AEW would insinuate there's only one type of wrestling style in AEW. Maaaaaybe might wanna look at WWE though. They LEGITIMATELY train folks to wrestle one style, with a limited moveset, and if THEIR dorky diehard fans aren't "nerds" to you, might be because you're a nerd eh?

> Cody has a weird preconceived beef with
> Vince because of him equating Stardust with Vince making his dad wear polka dots,
> but the fact of the matter is that Cody just isn't all that great at wrestling (80
> year old Dustin is miles better still) and Stardust, if not dashing/masked Cody was
> the most interesting crap he's ever done. So I guess blame Cody's main character
> syndrome on Vince. Dude is so desperate to get the brand over he got a tattoo on
> his face to appeal to gen Z, which is admirable or whatever...but again, slightly
> cringe.

You don't know why he got that crapty neck tat, don't pretend like you do. You always say silly stuff like you have any actual insight whatsoever but it's really all just insinuations. Cody just seems to be a tool in real life, and got a tool tattoo. No real need to read into it like a conspiracy theorist to shame "gen z" for whatever reason. You also have no insight into his personal life other than he was sick of feeling held down in WWE and he likes to acknowledge it. Again you're just sorta projecting a mindset onto this dude because it seems you want another reason to be "edgy" and poop on something people are enjoying. Sorta your MO.

That said, saying he's not a good wrestler is laughable, especially if you're the type to crap on AEW's more indie style of wrestling considering Cody's 85% old school move set.

> It's really weird and offensive to me that AEW copies ECW and old WWF Bret
> Hart matches but the AEW fans think ECW/WWF is trash.

LOOOOL now I KNOW you're just referencing random articles to be an edgelord. "Copies old WWF Bret Hard matches"... oh because CM Punk did ONE SPOT that was an homage to a Bret Hart match literally LAST WEEK? Get the fudge outta here with that goofy crap, there were SEEEEVERAL AEW fans acknowledging and appreciating that spot... wild how that works. (Personally, I didn't even realize it.)

Pretending like EVERY SINGLE AEW fan (as if you personally know every single AEW fan) craps on ECW or WWF is also decently goofy. Again, a projection to have another thing to complain about on the internet imo. This is what I mean, you tend to just group anyone who enjoys AEW into one demographic and that proves that you're just trying to dick on a company or their fans for daring to present wrestling on a national scale outside WWE.

> Also weird that AEW fans suddenly
> have nostalgia goggles for good ol' boy WCW, which at times sucked to a level WWF
> could never aspire to and held down legends that only got to shine because they went
> on to WWF.

If you don't have nostalgia for early-90s WCW, when WCW's in-ring product was miles above WWF, then you're not a wrestling fan. Plain and simple. And LOTS of folks love late-game WCW even if I personally think it was definitely very awful.

Sounding like a broken record here but, again, this is an example of one projecting their own personal opinions onto an entire fanbase just to whine on the ol' web. "Oh I think WCW was objectively bad so all these folks claiming to have enjoyed it are LYING AND NERDY JUST CAUSE OF MY PRECIOUS WWE pls look at me no one in real life does." -the Saminator, Samtown, SammyLean.

> Using Owen's ghost to get over is scummier and cheaper than something
> even Vince would do...somehow.

Despite your earlier comment, it's been well documented that it was Vince's decision to have Owen go along with the stunt. He had even brought up being uncomfortable. Had a literal nothing to do with Bret Hart (weird, another baseless insinuation that you couldn't prove if you tried).

AEW didn't even announce the Owen deal on TV yet... trying to pretend they're using Owen's "ghost" to "get over" is fudging stupid. Especially when you consider it was OWEN'S WIFE that ultimately made the decision to allow it. It wasn't just AEW strong-arming the situation, very obviously. This wouldn't have happened without the consent of Owen's family, as has been made VERY obvious by how his widow constantly turned down WWE. In a way, vilifying AEW for honoring Owen under his own wife's wishes is just another very WWE-esque way of painting HER as the "bad guy" yet again. WWE and Vince are always in the clear, have definitely never done anything to cause distrust among the Hart family....

> You guys are getting worked by Vince to believe in
> his Mr. Mcmahon wrestling character.

My man, you legit believed WWE and AEW were owned by the same people as late as a few months ago in order to try to justify why AEW was getting popular. If anyone is getting worked, it's you... but literally in this case. You could have real easily looked up corporate licenses, but instead just pretended to know something that was entirely false. Classic Sammy Jean (is not my lover).

Vince legit made a blood money deal with the prince of SAUDI ARABIA, the regime behind the 9/11 attacks, solely for a huge payday. For someone whining about lack of diversity or weird inapplicable incel crap, you defending this sort of wild behavior is yet another piece of evidence toward you just trolling for trolling's sake. Quit pretending to have any legit ideals just to whine about wrestling when you're going to defend a dude who has been #1 shadiest dude ever since he took over WWE.

> I'm amused that AEW fans have bought in so
> hard and fast and become disrespectful to everything that's come before it just because
> this is the first promotion to start off with the benefit of having contemporary
> social media.

Not to pile it on but by god this is a garbage take too. Again, you're just projecting this stupid image of AEW fans onto them in your own head, which DEFINITELY doesn't make it reality. Wild how you felt this way the second AEW was announced, and have now written a novel to justify your 2-year old take but using crap that has only taken place/been reported on within the past month to do so. Feels a bit like you lost interest in talking about this stuff, then came back to it real quick for the lulz.

WWE diehards (I won't say "fans", of which I am one), are the most disrespectful chickens on the planet. They look at everything Vince does as if it's just the most perfect idea ever, and insinuate any wrestler hired by WWE owe their very existence to them. You yourself called the guys in AEW "wrestlers from WWE" as if they didn't make a huge name for themselves not just in the indies, but in companies JUST AS IMPORTANT AS WWE, like NJPW. I am truly sorry if NJPW isn't American enough for you to take seriously, but Omega was a star long before AEW - as were plenty of other guys who also happened to work for WWE.

Gotta mention too that it's sorta lame to suggest that AEW or its fans (again, as if they all exist in a hive mind) disrespect wrestling history when that company has done way more to acknowledge wrestling history in a positive manner within the past 2 years than WWE has done in its entire history. Honoring Owen Hart? No that's just fudging DUMB, let WWE just fudge over his family for years, paint his widow as insane for not wanting anything to do with them, and, oh, legitimately kill him.

>
> *punches light bulb out*

*some lame comment in stars to not come off as dorky as I definitely do*

>
> Jaw, every post you make seems like you're tweaking on vyvanse/ritalin, and I've
> already got the smoking skull belt from that match you tapped out of.. Cody's gonna
> ban you from watching AEW for a month over that politically incorrect mental health
> crack....
>

Calm down, nerd.



I know you're just a troll at heart, literally everything you post is to gain a reaction like ya Twitter bois, but the easiness in arguing your points simply rose in me like my undying love for you . love
Sam
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24-Sep-2021(#181)
You got me on saudi arabia, I made the FB comment collage out of the first wrestling thread that popped up after scrolling for a second. And nah theres like 14 spots CM punk copied in there, theres a good side by side vid
PizzaTheHutt
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25-Sep-2021(#182)
Roman Reigns vs Montez Ford last night was pretty damn good. Ford proved he's got what it takes to be a star (at least for anyone who may have still had their doubts). If I was Dawkins I'd be praying every night that they don't get split up in the upcoming draft, because he's gonna wind up being the Jannetty for sure.

theJaw
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25-Sep-2021(#183)
Fudging Homicide is in AEW now. Stoked. That Suzuki/Archer vs Mox/Kingston match was pretty good too.

Punk vs Hobbs was also a really good match, I wouldn't mind seeing them go at it again at some point.

theJaw
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26-Sep-2021(#184)
Anybody in here play Fire Pro Wrestling World, or more specifically the newish Fire Promoter mode? It takes some getting used to but I just set up my promotion and it's some fun stuff.
PizzaTheHutt
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26-Sep-2021(#185)
I bought FPWW a couple years ago on Steam when it was still in early access, but never actually played it. I bought a new PC last week, I think I should start diving into my Steam library one of these days.

theJaw
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* 26-Sep-2021(#186)
PizzaTheHutt wrote:
> I bought FPWW a couple years ago on Steam when it was still in early access, but
> never actually played it. I bought a new PC last week, I think I should start diving
> into my Steam library one of these days.
>
>

Definitely give it a go, it's a great game. Bit of a learning curve - it doesn't play like your usual 2D wrestling game, but I find the gameplay a lot more satisfying. I assume you've played older Fire Pros though, so you probably already know that.

If you ever get into Fire Promoter and into this idea, we should have a legit draft and book shows vs. each other and post results. Only one of us can have any given wrestler in our promotion's save data so it can be like a legit "ratings war" for the funs.
theJaw
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26-Sep-2021(#187)
Holy crap, WWE just booked the single worst finish to a wrestling match I've ever seen in my fudging life. It really does seem like they're going out of their way to make jokes of all the wrestlers fans actually want to see. Bring back the Demon to have him lose via a slapstick comedy routine, more or less.
shadyfozzie
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27-Sep-2021(#188)
theJaw wrote:
> Holy crap, WWE just booked the single worst finish to a wrestling match I've ever
> seen in my fudging life. It really does seem like they're going out of their way
> to make jokes of all the wrestlers fans actually want to see. Bring back the Demon
> to have him lose via a slapstick comedy routine, more or less.

I just read the report... Seriously, you BREAK THE TOP ROPE?? How pathetic..
theJaw
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* 27-Sep-2021(#189)
They did this whole thing where Finn was knocked out and then you "hear" his heartbeat over the PA while the ring flooded with Fiend-like red lights and smoke poured from under the ring. So Finn started doing this goofy flopping on the floor, but when he popped up he looked legit menacing before putting the hurt on Roman.

It was actually very cool to see, and then him spookily climbing the ropes was a great visual. Then he just.... stood there and the rope broke. Finn crashed to the mat, the houselights IMMEDIATELY came back on (which made the whole thing come off way sillier than it already was), he started complaining about his knee, then got blasted with a spear from Roman to end it.

Truly the worst finish to a match I've ever seen. I'd watch Yokozuna slip off the middle rope a hundred times over before I ever watch that BS again. Why even introduce this weird Demon trance moment with all these wild effects just to have that crap happen? It HAD to have been a joke of some sort.

I really don't want to be negative to WWE all the time and the rest of the show was okay for the most part, but they just CONSTANTLY make the stupidest gosh darn decisions imaginable. They're always undercutting their own show and talent. It's exhausting.
shadyfozzie
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27-Sep-2021(#190)
Balor deserves more than that garbage ending.. I wonder what would have been if he didn't get injured when he was the first champion.
mcorrado
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27-Sep-2021(#191)
Can only hope he makes his way to AEW when the contract is up
lazarro
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27-Sep-2021(#192)
Guess I didn't miss much by not watching the payperview
Sun
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27-Sep-2021(#193)
I thought Bianca might actually get the title when she reserved the Disarmer into a potential KOD, but Sasha interfering made sense to protect both of them.
theJaw
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27-Sep-2021(#194)
Sun wrote:
> I thought Bianca might actually get the title when she reserved the Disarmer into
> a potential KOD, but Sasha interfering made sense to protect both of them.

Yah that was fine, and should be a pretty great triple threat if given a good amount of time.
lazarro
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27-Sep-2021(#195)
Looks like Alexa Bliss going to take time off to reinvent herself or i should say creative will.

Interesting who is booked to challenge Charlotte
PizzaTheHutt
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27-Sep-2021(#196)
lazarro wrote:
> Interesting who is booked to challenge Charlotte

I was hoping for Asuka's return, but in a recent photo her arm is still in a sling.
shadyfozzie
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27-Sep-2021(#197)
PizzaTheHutt wrote:
> lazarro wrote:
>> Interesting who is booked to challenge Charlotte
>
> I was hoping for Asuka's return, but in a recent photo her arm is still in a sling.
>
Probably someone like Doudrop
theJaw
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27-Sep-2021(#198)
Doudrop (Piper Niven) is a legitimately great wrestler. Another one watered down by WWE ten fold.
theJaw
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28-Sep-2021(#199)
lazarro
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28-Sep-2021(#200)
Crap wwe turning bayzler a babyface
Keith lee a heel?


Oh wait one more

Eva Marie being attacked for a possible draft switch to smackdown

What other surprises can I find reading the news of wrestling These days
PizzaTheHutt
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28-Sep-2021(#201)
Sounds like they are close to getting SummerSlam 2022 to take place in UK. That's pretty damn cool, I know the time zone differences are what makes it difficult to do those types of things live (and in 1992 there obviously wasn't spoilers on the internet before it aired in the US), but for a long time I've been wanting them to do another major PPV overseas with the convenience of WWE Network/Peacock.

PizzaTheHutt
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29-Sep-2021(#202)
What are some of y'all's "unpopular opinions" in this crazy little world of pro wrestling?

I will start with something I've wanted to say for so long, but never did because I like his characters so much, but while Bray Wyatt is a creative dude and I'm not sure anyone else could have pulled off The Fiend gimmick anywhere near as well as he did, but his in-ring work is just mediocre. I enjoyed the storyline build ups to a lot of his matches more than I enjoyed the matches themselves.
theJaw
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* 29-Sep-2021(#203)
I love his in ring work for a big guy but he hasn't had a ton of classic matches.

My unpopular opinion is that the grand majority of the Attitude Era was absolutely terrible and I have no desire whatsoever for pro wrestling to return to that style.
PizzaTheHutt
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29-Sep-2021(#204)
Is Raven officially retired? If not, I hope there's at least a small chance that AEW could bring him in just for a one time thing with Bray and see what kind of crazy crap they'd come up with.

lazarro
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* 30-Sep-2021(#205)
Watch a little bit of AEW

Be interesting if Dark Order gets a new leader ot they get broken up.

Based on what i saw they are probably building for the break up. Don't forget a lot of tag teams were broken up because of one of the tag team wrestlers having egos

Ric Matel and Michaels come to mind. You could throw austin in for the end of his wcw run. Hell throw in the NWO in wcw with there two broken factions.

i really hope they done break the group up unless a few want to be on their own or something.

Also im not convinced Windham Rotunda would be a good leader for them, unless they are turning them heel. I dont see that happening anytime soon. Not to mention Rotunda might want to portray a different persona.

theJaw
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30-Sep-2021(#206)
They all seemed to make up a bit on Dynamite due to it being in Brodie Lee's hometown but I have a feeling Hangman will eventually return to keep the team together.
akfa
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30-Sep-2021(#207)
the crowd stunk last night :)
i'm thinking about flying to minnesota for full gear, never attended a PPV before
lazarro
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30-Sep-2021(#208)
well wwe has the draft tomorrow and on monday

Big E is the only confirmed name switching brands

i'll be reading the recaps if i feel like it
lazarro
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1-Oct-2021(#209)
well i dont like how the draft is going

wwe is missing a big opportunity

kofi and woods to smackdown give me a break
mysterio and dominik to raw give me a break -kills a plan to seperate them

mcintyre to smackdown ok we all know lesnar could be booked to win the belt before drew

i dont mind the drafts every year to try and fresh things up but book the talent correctly when they are drafted

just another excuse for me not to watch wwe anymore

lame draft all i am saying i'll read about raw part of the draft but meh who cares i'll watch movies over again before wwe
Shadowrunner
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1-Oct-2021(#210)
This made my entire day!!

https://youtu.be/AbyEs0_s5cI
theJaw
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2-Oct-2021(#211)
lazarro wrote:
>
> lame draft all i am saying i'll read about raw part of the draft but meh who cares
> i'll watch movies over again before wwe

I'll give you a single one more time to say this while simultaneously still choosing to watch WWE before I call BS lol
PizzaTheHutt
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2-Oct-2021(#212)
I'm glad Hit Row got called up. They were one of my favorite things on NXT. But B-Fab is still very green and she badly needs more time in the oven. NXT not doing house shows anymore is not doing people like her any favors.

theJaw
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2-Oct-2021(#213)
I don't feel happy for wrestlers when they get called up anymore. More often than not, they're wasted lately. The golden area of NXT call ups is over.
PizzaTheHutt
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2-Oct-2021(#214)
Enzo and Big Cass's main roster debut might've been my favorite. Everyone in that damn arena knew who they were and sang along with the catchphrases and I don't remember if that has happened again with any NXT call ups since. They were over from day one, it's just too bad that personality-wise they were both a couple of douchebags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REdhEwW9ssY
theJaw
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3-Oct-2021(#215)
WWE announced that King of the Ring is returning, along with a women's counterpart "The Queen's Crown". This I like. I hope they fill the tournaments with great in-ring work - that'd be an incredible first step toward getting me reinvested in WWE.
shadyfozzie
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3-Oct-2021(#216)
theJaw wrote:
> WWE announced that King of the Ring is returning, along with a women's counterpart
> "The Queen's Crown". This I like. I hope they fill the tournaments with great in-ring
> work - that'd be an incredible first step toward getting me reinvested in WWE.

Hopefully this will be good
PizzaTheHutt
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3-Oct-2021(#217)
I'd like Chad Gable to win it, but he's stuck with Otis now. I wonder if they regret turning Otis heel? He was super over pre-pandemic.

theJaw
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3-Oct-2021(#218)
Shadowrunner wrote:
> This made my entire day!!
>

lol this rules
lazarro
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4-Oct-2021(#219)
My memory escapes me but I believe something is on USA tonight

Oh right

Some wrestling show I guess
PizzaTheHutt
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* 4-Oct-2021(#220)
I haven't seen Ready To Rumble in over 15 years, but I still use quotes from it to this day, like "my dad says yakking on the phone is for pussies", but I'll sometimes replace the "yakking on the phone" part with whatever it is that I'm trying to get out of doing.
PizzaTheHutt
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4-Oct-2021(#221)
WALTER is in the US currently. Either they were able to convince him to move to the States and he's gonna be part of the draft tonight, or they want to get him more exposure on the US side of NXT.

As much as I like the guy (one of very few wrestlers where if he were to even look at me the wrong way I'd probably crap my pants in fear), I admit I don't keep up with NXT UK enough anymore especially since they still aren't allowed to have fans at their tapings. So if I can get to see him on a regular basis on either NXT or the main roster, that'd be nice.
lazarro
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5-Oct-2021(#222)
i really didnt watch raw was watching other things

however is creative high on stupidity, i have no honest reason why some wrestlers were moved, totally trashed possible storyline continuations


at least some talent that was on raw will get more exposure on smackdown

funny how shane mcmahon is listed as free agent and he's not part of the wresting aspect

again i understand why they do the draft, i just think this time they dropped the ball with some of their booking decisions

oh an yes still not watching the current wwe product.
theJaw
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5-Oct-2021(#223)
Lol watching/playing the "Escape from Undertaker" interactive movie on Netflix. So dumb but it has its charm.
lazarro
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6-Oct-2021(#224)
theJaw wrote:
> Lol watching/playing the "Escape from Undertaker" interactive movie on Netflix. So
> dumb but it has its charm.

Yeah I'm gonna probably take a look and play over the weekend or maybe Friday instead of watching tv
lazarro
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6-Oct-2021(#225)
So Gargano, Zayn and Owens has contracts coming up and I'm making bets none of three return

Owens hadn't been used
Ditto for Zayn

Gargano is old and most like will leave wwe for aew

Unstaffed list was interesting

But it's usual injured, current talent not used and those not selected period.

Gran metalik and Dorado I think most likely will be released with a few others

It's been normal after drafts a few are let go
theJaw
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* 6-Oct-2021(#226)
lazarro wrote:

> Gargano is old and most like will leave wwe for aew
>

Gargano is 34, I wouldn't consider that old by any means. Owens and Zayn are both older than him by like 3 years. I feel like he's the least likely to leave, he seems like he'll be a proud WWE "lifer" if he doesn't get released or anything.
PizzaTheHutt
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6-Oct-2021(#227)
Yeah I also get the impression that Gargano would be a "lifer". And like Ciampa I don't know if he'll ever leave NXT. I think Triple H might be a little protective of those two guys specifically.


akfa
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6-Oct-2021(#228)
o m g dynamite
theJaw
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6-Oct-2021(#229)
Great friggin Anniversary show. Hangman Page baaaaby. Give me Hangman vs American Dragon RIGHT. NOW.
theJaw
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* 6-Oct-2021(#230)
I was thinking tonight about how awesome AEW TV is, and how rewarding their PPV events seem, compared to WWE - solely because these are the two promotions I've actively made a point to almost-habitually follow other than 2004-2012 ROH or the very elusive PWG. It's 100% because AEW follows the classic 4 PPV model and focus on TV. They put on PPV level cards on Dynamite (that in turn build the importance of any wrestler showcased) so that they can put on literal super cards for their PPVs - complete with satisfying pay-offs, dream matches that are homegrown within AEW via the TV shows, and more than one "big fight feel" match every time.

They're also somehow able to deliver truly memorable moments on an extremely consistent basis - returns, debuts, cameos, big wins, upsets, tributes, title changes... the list goes on. On TV. They give fans what they want, and then charge them 4 times a year for what they want even more. WWE tends to give fans what WWE wants, and then charge them 12+ times a year for what they have to learn to just accept.

If AEW keeps this direction, there will really be no denying them as the top promotion - even before ratings reflect that. And, again, I don't say that as some "WWE hater" or anything... not gonna spend my time poo-pooing on WWE if I don't bother to watch them all the time ( wink ) and I'll always acknowledge the good stuff WWE actually does, but AEW put on consistently well-booked, strong cards on free TV and then still manage to top those shows with the PPVs every time.

akfa
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* 7-Oct-2021(#231)
One thing they do extremely well in AEW is have a great combination of giving the fans the MOST satisfying things, while still mixing in heel type things, and not just being a Christmas gift every week. Examples: Page returning tonight, and Serena Deeb winning tonight, on the same card. Everyone wanted Shida to win, expected Shida to win, but look at the ending of that match. Now that will build to something even GREATER. The build up is just really great in so many cases. I really WISH WWE would capitalize on these similar type scenarios when they occur, Big E was a great step, use it to build to something greater. Finn over Reigns was a great opportunity that they definitely botched. I'd love nothing more than for all wrestling companies to be fantastic to watch.
theJaw
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7-Oct-2021(#232)
@akfa 1,000,000% agreed with that last sentence. I grew up with WWE, of course I want them to get out of their own asses and succeed, while simultaneously being actually worth watching. I just can't help but acknowledge their issues, in front of and behind the scenes, and it sorta seems like way too many folks don't these days. Still, I don't dwell on WWE - there's enough negativity on this ol' planet that I could never be actually upset by pro wrestling TV shows.

Shida vs. Deeb was a really great match. Personally, I felt the whole "50 Wins" trophy at the beginning of the match telegraphed the heel victory, but the intention was to suggest the opposite, and going the direction they did is admirable imo. 1) Deeb is an incredible wrestler, and has been in the Top 5 women of the past decade+, 2) they can now present the mega-face Shida as nearly winning this prestigious accolade only to have it ripped away from her - thus making Deeb a more prominent figure while also building toward Shida's inevitable redemption moment, 3) this feud will very likely result in a surefire Women's Title challenger when all is said and done. AEW knows how to bake these things into their shows naturally, EVEN if we can see some of the inevitable stuff coming. They book their stories to make sense and actually pan out.

And yah, booking the Page return/victory to coincide with the should-be bummer of Deeb winning, it just creates a nice contrasting tone for the show - each story feels like its own thing. That's why I love Wrestlemania XXX so much - the whole night had the triumphant Daniel Bryan story running throughout, but it sandwiched that utterly defeating atmosphere when Lesnar pinned Undertaker in between... and thus the show is memorable for a bunch of different reasons. Maybe not to such an extravagant level, but I got that sort of vibe from this Dynamite tonight.
theJaw
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* 7-Oct-2021(#233)
Also, I've been paying attention to the whole "win/loss stat" gimmick lately... and it works. For the most part, wrestlers who win a lot on Dark or Elevation end up eventually wrestling on Dynamite (and I'm sure Rampage once it's firmly established), and that's the case for Deeb's run. Deeb got: prominent matches for a while > didn't end up winning the Women's title > dropped to Dark and won matches to build her record up > got back on TV and pinned Shida. That's obviously just the most recent example but it really does seem AEW are paying attention to the stats.

That said, it also seems they're willing to bend the "rankings" schtick whenever they want. Danielson showed up, made fun of Omega, and got a title match. No harm, no foul since he didn't win right out the gate, but it did obviously sort of hot-shot him to the main event picture without the rankings deciding his trajectory. And then there are the "Casino" matches which guarantee future title shots regardless of the ranking system.

Still, the fact that the majority of the feuds and stories presented on the main weekly shows are dictated by the win/loss records built not only on those shows, but also the YouTube shows, is pretty badass and something unique to AEW's business model. They must have planned for this from the get-go because it's pretty apparent that they're taking full advantage of that platform if you've ever followed Dark at all.
akfa
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7-Oct-2021(#234)
I agree with everything you said, except just a reminder that the Danielson/Omega match was non-title. They just wanted to give the fans the match the fans have been wanting on that one.
theJaw
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* 7-Oct-2021(#235)
Ohh yah that's right, I guess the random TNT title matches over the past 2 years would've been a better example of my point.
akfa
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7-Oct-2021(#236)
i think i'm going to make my way to minnesota for full gear.
PizzaTheHutt
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* 7-Oct-2021(#237)
So "Women of Wrestling" is getting a reboot next year and AJ Lee is involved, as is Tessa Blanchard (barf).
I don't know why, but I'm kind of looking forward to it, if only for nostalgia reasons. I first started watching them in 2000 when I randomly stumbled upon one of their shows on a Saturday at 1:00AM on Fox. I started recording each show after that so I could watch with my nephews the following day. The quality of the matches themselves weren't that great, nor were a lot of the gimmicks and storylines, but this was back when the business was still hot and we'd watch anything that had to do with pro wrestling.

They went bewbs up in 2001 and then relaunched a decade later, but outside of a few matches on YouTube I didn't follow the relaunch but if this reboot goes well then I'll check it out.
https://deadline.com/2021/10/viacomcbs-syndicating...
theJaw
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7-Oct-2021(#238)
Yah I'm looking forward to that too. Blanchard being there is obnoxious but she is a good wrestler so whatev, hopefully she learned her lesson and grew up.

Apparently AJ Lee is also going to be doing commentary for the shows too. Very cool to see her back at it.

Also isn't this new WOW being backed by the owner of the Lakers or something like that? If that's the case, holy cow.
PizzaTheHutt
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7-Oct-2021(#239)
I noticed Mark Henry was trending on the ol' cesspool known as Twitter. Turns out it's due to some comments he said on Busted Open Radio, where he basically defends guys like Bubba Ray and JBL who are known for being bullies backstage.

In Mark Henry's opinion, if you are bullied and you complain about it to anyone in the office, then you are "weak" and "don't deserve to be in the business". He also calls today's wrestlers "soft ass entertainers".

Lest we forget that Mark Henry once unknowingly ate a crap sandwich due to a backstage bully.
PizzaTheHutt
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11-Oct-2021(#240)
That match between Xavier Woods and Ricochet was pretty damn good tonight. I'm gonna pretend Vince's old ass fell asleep backstage and one of the agents allowed them to just go out there and have fun.

lazarro
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11-Oct-2021(#241)
PizzaTheHutt wrote:
> That match between Xavier Woods and Ricochet was pretty damn good tonight. I'm gonna
> pretend Vince's old ass fell asleep backstage and one of the agents allowed them
> to just go out there and have fun.
>
> i missed a good match. oh wait i was watching tv with my mom. There a handful of shows we watch together and they coincide with some entertainment on a ringed mat with ropes.
theJaw
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* 11-Oct-2021(#242)
@PizzaTheHutt Yah that match was fantastic. I wish the ladies in the Queen's Crown tourney were getting similar opportunities to make their matches worth watching... but John Laurinaitis and all. An actual shame considering women are just as good as men at pro wrestling nowadays, especially in WWE (and have been for a while).

@lazarro the entire 4 people who frequent this thread completely get it.... you don't like WWE. Watch crap you like and talk about that, this thread getting flooded with Twitter-style tribalism is starting to get real annoying.
lazarro
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12-Oct-2021(#243)
okay maybe i'll back away from this thread for awhile then
akfa
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12-Oct-2021(#244)
looks official, i will be going to full gear barring something unexpected. woohoo. my first wrestling PPV.
theJaw
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12-Oct-2021(#245)
@lazarro apologies bud, I was just in a mood last night. I usually don't mind your posts but it's been a hailstorm of people complaining around me the past few days and I was fed up haha. My bad.

@akfa thaaats badass, I'm jealous. You'll likely see Hangman beat Omega for the title. Oughta be a great match.
lazarro
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12-Oct-2021(#246)
@theJaw apology accepted we are all entitled to bad days once in awhile.

lazarro
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20-Oct-2021(#247)
So does anyone think AEW will try and expand their program to more hours. Dynamite is moving to TBS.
lazarro
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20-Oct-2021(#248)
Darn

Duggan is back in the hospital
PizzaTheHutt
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* 20-Oct-2021(#249)
Anyone actually looking forward to Crown Jewel tomorrow? I typically do not watch these shows (nothing to do with "blood money" crap, but the cards usually just don't interest me) but I gotta admit that Roman and Brock match does interest me, not just for the match itself, but mostly because they came up with a storyline I am actually intrigued by and I want to see what ends up happening with Paul Heyman.

theJaw
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21-Oct-2021(#250)
Not really looking forward to it, it's a pretty gross show, but I'll have it on while I work with WrestleTalk's live reactions playing instead of the commentary. Whenever they react to a Saudi show, they donate any donations they receive to a charity to at least somewhat level out the "awful" with a little bit of good.
PizzaTheHutt
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21-Oct-2021(#251)
I tuned in just for the main event, but I keep hearing how good the rest of the show was, so I guess I'll have to check it out over the weekend.

theJaw
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* 21-Oct-2021(#252)
PizzaTheHutt wrote:
> I tuned in just for the main event, but I keep hearing how good the rest of the show
> was, so I guess I'll have to check it out over the weekend.
>
>

It was a standard WWE show, nothing all that spectacular. Edge/Rollins was great, the women's triple threat was good, Brock/Reigns was good, and the KOTR finals were satisfying but short. Otherwise, it was just normal WWE wrestling and the treatment of the Queen's Crown schtick was laughably bad (not just today, but the entire thing).
theJaw
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21-Oct-2021(#253)
That said, it WAS the best Saudi show so far.... but that's not a difficult bar to pass. There were at least no absolute embarrassments.
PizzaTheHutt
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* 27-Oct-2021(#254)
ROH going under some major changes in 2022. No contracts are being renewed at the end of the year. Talent are free to work elsewhere effective immediately.
https://www.f4wonline.com/ring-honor/ring-honor-re...
lazarro
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27-Oct-2021(#255)
I expect talent to go to aew or impact or other promotions before wwe. Not knocking wwe but some may want creative freedom.

Never watched ring of honor

Read about there being a strict code in terms of sportsmanship
theJaw
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27-Oct-2021(#256)
ROH 2004-2012 is some of the best wrestling I've still ever seen - the atmosphere for those shows has yet to be replicated on the indie scene (though GCWs recent run reminds me a lot of old school ROH, just with death matches thrown in). While its glory days are behind them (for now), they still put on good wrestling if a bit dry compared to other companies.

They've definitely needed a revamp of sorts for a while (making PCO their World champion was a clear sign of that), so hopefully they can come back with a product a little closer to their indie roots.

As for the roster not getting their contracts renewed - I'm hoping the best. There are some wrestlers companies should legit be frothing at the mouth to sign (RUSH, Dalton Castle, Danhausen, etc), while there are others I can honestly see falling off the map without ROH.

I wonder if Briscoes winning the GCW Tag titles the other night was due to this. Briscoes have been ROH mainstays since the beginning of the company (or close enough to it), it's gonna be especially weird to see them carve out a new home promotion for a few months but GCW certainly fits.
lazarro
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* 28-Oct-2021(#257)
caught last half hour of dynamite

started watching when cody and arn was attacked and rescued by PAC

hilarious seeing the elite and their gane dressed up in ghostbuster outfits look like a bunch of jesters to me.

wonder if it would make sense for the elite and pinacle to clash down the road. Not saying right now but to freshen things up in AEW like they did with Jericho and his group.
lazarro
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28-Oct-2021(#258)
Man hacksaw diagnosed with cancer

Saw a post on Facebook almost clean shaven and no more long hair I think

Then reading about the hulkster recovering from medical issues
PizzaTheHutt
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28-Oct-2021(#259)
Sinclair trying to sell the ROH video library from 2012-2021 kinda makes me worried the company might not reopen at all next year. Their best years were definitely pre-2012 anyway but I hope Vince gets that library and tosses it up on WWE Network.

lazarro
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29-Oct-2021(#260)
Just read AEW and impact are ending their working together agreement

Interesting if aew will have to up their game knowing they don't have that edge sort of speak to drive ratings against wwe

My guess it might suffer a little bit

Reality is gonna hit aew bookers either pinnacle or the elite is gonna have to turn face. Eventually
theJaw
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29-Oct-2021(#261)
It's not like AEW ever leaned on Impact... the partnership was entirely to help Impact regain visibility. The only real Impact crossover on AEW programming was the presence of Don Callis and the Good Brothers.

AEW will be fine booking their own talent as they've proven. Personally, I feel Pinnacle can't go face - MJF would flop as a face right now after all the build up. He's still yet to reach the ....pinnacle.... of his heel performance imo.

I could totally see Omega turning face for Cody to claim the Elite if his inevitable heel turn ends up actually happening though. I doubt either entire faction will turn the way Inner Circle did.
lazarro
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3-Nov-2021(#262)
seems very quiet in here


so jon moxley is getting help for a drinking problem and the talent formerly known as bray wyatt will debut in a promotion.






theJaw
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3-Nov-2021(#263)
Good on Mox, just snagged his book and need to read it asap.

Wyatt (I guess going by "Windham" now) would be great in either AEW or Impact (or both). He was at Universal studios filming something, likely a vignette or something teasing his arrival. Can't wait for whatever he does.

Also Bryan Danielson vs. Eddie Kingston from this last Rampage was incredible, and now Punk/Kingston is super likely for Full Gear.

Miro replaced Mox in his title tourny match and beat Orange Cassidy, so it'll be Danielson/Miro at Full Gear and I expect that to be stiff as crap.

lazarro
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4-Nov-2021(#264)
Well another round of departures coming from wwe

Not surprised

I caught the mjf/ Darby Allen brawl cool as heck had mute button on during mjf monologue just can't stand him
theJaw
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4-Nov-2021(#265)
His promos are the best part hana
PizzaTheHutt
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* 4-Nov-2021(#266)
Today's roster cuts:
Zayda Ramier, Katrina Cortez, Jeet Rama, Trey Baxter, Oney Lorcan, B-Fab, Scarlett, Ember Moon, and Franky Monet.

theJaw
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4-Nov-2021(#267)
They all deserve better, especially Lorcan and Ember Moon. Moon getting released is surprising.
PizzaTheHutt
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* 4-Nov-2021(#268)
Wow, Nia Jax was cut too along with Karrion Kross, Keith Lee, Mia Yim, Eva Marie and Davey Boy Smith Jr.

Karrion Kross' release comes in part due to him and his wife refusing to get vaccinated which means they can't go on the overseas tours.
theJaw
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* 4-Nov-2021(#269)
Good, Karrion Kross sucks and seemed like an butt-hole anyways. Good riddance.

Keith Lee belongs in AEW or NJPW, same with Mia Yim (they'll likely end up in the same place together regardless). Lee is one of the best wrestlers on the planet, big or little. He should have been showcased as such.

They literally JUST re-signed Smith Jr, so that's silly.

Eva Marie was inevitable.

At least creatively, WWE is a sinking ship, which I really do find unfortunate.
PizzaTheHutt
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4-Nov-2021(#270)
Between those WWE cuts, ROH stuff and some MLW releases this past week, there are a ton of hot free agents out there now.

shadyfozzie
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4-Nov-2021(#271)
here's the official list:

B-Fab (Hit Row)
Ember Moon
Eva Marie
Franky Monet
Gran Metalik
Harry Smith
Jeet Rama
Jessi Kamea
Karrion Kross
Katrina Cortez
Keith Lee
Lince Dorado
Mia Yim
Nia Jax
Oney Lorcan
Scarlett Bordeaux
Trey Baxter
Zayda Ramier
lazarro
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* 4-Nov-2021(#272)
i was trying to force myself to start watching wwe programming again

now i dont need to

too much talent, bad economics, horrendous booking/ use of talent equals why bother to watch at all

i mean half the time they rebrand talent only to release them

they screwed karrion kross and keith lee though they have themselves to blame for allowing that to happen. Karrion kross should have stayed in nxt

i have the topps trading card app download on my phone that will be closet to wwe i'll get unless i watch old programming

i'm gonna start watching other wrestling now
theJaw
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4-Nov-2021(#273)
Wait, Kross and Lee have themselves to blame or WWE? Because the only blame goes to WWE in those cases. At least creatively, Kross fudgeed himself for denying literal science.
lazarro
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4-Nov-2021(#274)
theJaw wrote:
> Wait, Kross and Lee have themselves to blame or WWE? Because the only blame goes
> to WWE in those cases. At least creatively, Kross fudgeed himself for denying literal
> science.


yeah could have phrased better

i meant to say wwe pooched the ball for the booking of kross and lee

anyway if wwe wants the current product to be what it is so be it. It will have to change for me to go back and watch the current.

shadyfozzie
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4-Nov-2021(#275)
They are still making new bray Wyatt stuff
theJaw
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4-Nov-2021(#276)
And prob will until he shows up somewhere else. They still own the likeness to the Bray Wyatt/Fiend character, the same way they still make Ultimate Warrior stuff haha
akfa
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5-Nov-2021(#277)
women in all other promotions holding their breath as Nia Jax looks for her next victims
lazarro
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5-Nov-2021(#278)
Hoping aew picks up a few released talents let go yesterday.
PizzaTheHutt
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5-Nov-2021(#279)
lazarro wrote:
> Karrion kross should have stayed in nxt

A lot of people were booked way better in NXT than they were/are on the main roster, it has been that way for years but let's be honest, nobody gets into the business with the goal of staying in developmental.
theJaw
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* 13-Nov-2021(#280)
Tonight's AEW Full Gear and I am fudging pumped. They did a great job of setting this show up and AEW PPVs usually tend to stick the landing (when exploding rings aren't involved).

I was able to snag the show for $20 on Fite.TV using a VPN but had to use a work-around on my phone because trying to use a VPN on the computer will result in Fite blocking your attempts to purchase the show. Seems to have worked fine with the work-around I found though. Can't drop $50 on a wrestling show but still want to support AEW somehow, so this was the best route to take.


AEW Full Gear 2021 Card

AEW World Championship
Kenny Omega (c) vs. "Hangman" Adam Page

AEW World Championship Eliminator Tournament Finals
Bryan Danielson vs. Miro

AEW Women's World Championship
Britt Baker (c) vs. Tay Conti

AEW World Tag Team Championship
Lucha Bros (c) vs. FTR

CM Punk vs. Eddie Kingston

Minneapolis Street Fight
The Inner Circle vs. Men of the Year & American Top Team

Darby Allin vs. MJF

Falls Count Anywhere Six-Man Tag
Christian Cage & Jurassic Express vs. Adam Cole & The Young Bucks

PAC & Cody Rhodes vs. Malakai Black & Andrade El Idolo

Pre-Show
Nyla Rose & Jamie Hayter vs. Hikaru Shida & Thunder Rosa
PizzaTheHutt
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* 14-Nov-2021(#281)
I don't think their Twitter guy knows how that meme works.
I didn't catch all of the PPV, but liked what I did see.
image
theJaw
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14-Nov-2021(#282)
Lol their memes are hit or miss. Thankfully their wrestling usually hits. Full Gear was fudging awesome. MJF/Darby, Lucha Bros/FTR, Punk/Kingston and Omega/Hangman were all awesome. Danielson/Miro was good but nowhere near Danielson's recent output... but that's a wildly high bar so whatev.
akfa
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14-Nov-2021(#283)
full gear was a fun show to attend :)
theJaw
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14-Nov-2021(#284)
akfa wrote:
> full gear was a fun show to attend :)

Jealous! So many great moments.
lazarro
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15-Nov-2021(#285)
Interesting to see how long hangman is booked as being champion in aew. Also interesting to see who would challenge with omega and Moxley away.

theJaw
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16-Nov-2021(#286)
Any fan of the indy scene should stop by PWG's website and snag their most recent Blu Ray, PWG Threemendous VI. A really incredible show worth going out of your way to check out if you enjoy the actual art of pro wrestling and not just the nationally televised versions. Every match is great, and the Excalibur/Chuck Taylor combo on commentary is highly entertaining as usual. Watch this show!
BloodPuppetX
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18-Nov-2021(#287)
Yet more wrestlers were released by WWE, including the Hit Row guys, John Morrison and Drake Maverick.
shadyfozzie
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18-Nov-2021(#288)
BloodPuppetX wrote:
> Yet more wrestlers were released by WWE, including the Hit Row guys, John Morrison
> and Drake Maverick.

didn't they just call them up?
BloodPuppetX
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18-Nov-2021(#289)
Yep, they were just about to feud with Jinder.
shadyfozzie
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18-Nov-2021(#290)
shadyfozzie wrote:
> BloodPuppetX wrote:
>> Yet more wrestlers were released by WWE, including the Hit Row guys, John Morrison
>> and Drake Maverick.
>
> didn't they just call them up?

Wow... WWE is complete garbage now.. they've released I think 80+ wrestlers/talent in the last 2 years alone
theJaw
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* 19-Nov-2021(#291)
Trash company. Can't wait until Steen and Generico's contracts are up. Just about the last 2 I need to leave WWE before I never watch that crap again.
lazarro
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19-Nov-2021(#292)
Didn't get a chance to catch dynamite this week I know next year it's on tbs

No comment on what wwe is doing these days I already voiced my displeasure

Reality I don't care anymore about wwe

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The only WWE release I agree with is Nia Jax. It took them WAY too long to get rid of her, because she was just a liability on the women's division (what really little of it now there is). Not a good wrestler and she was riding only on the relation with Rock and how she helped Becky gain notoriety status.
theJaw
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* 19-Nov-2021(#294)
And that lasted all of a year, maybe. Becky is unwatchable now. Still a fine wrestler, but never booked well enough to show that off, and her character is so fudging obnoxious at this point.

Although I also agree with them releasing Jaxson Ryker. Wish the planet would release that guy into the sun.
lazarro
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19-Nov-2021(#295)
I'm gonna say this and then shut up

Right the title divisions are beyond being lame. I will say women's little more respectable but the tag team is not at the company's strength

I get why they want two or three brands

I think they don't have the talent to utilize and promote the three brands as they should.

WCW back in the hey day or attitude wwe had better division parity
PizzaTheHutt
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19-Nov-2021(#296)
This has been the worst build up to a Survivor Series PPV in many years.

lazarro
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* 19-Nov-2021(#297)
i thought xavier won the match from last saturday because of a disqualification and yet they act as if roman won the match allowing him to have the king accolades.

Did i missed something from the tail end last week.

nevermind i'm actually watching smackdown this week and got all my answers
PizzaTheHutt
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20-Nov-2021(#298)
Billy Gunn on Rampage last night. You can't tell me that dude isn't on something...
Frozyre
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WWE Releases 8 more talent:

John Morrison
Isaiah "Swerve" Scott
Top Dolla
Ashante "Thee" Adonis
Tegan Nox
Drake Maverick
Shane Thorne
Jaxson Ryker

WWE's practice in how they handle their business and talent pool is just disgusting. Soon they're going to be down to just Rollins, Roman, Becky, Charlotte, Brock, Goldberg and god knows who else.
shadyfozzie
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21-Nov-2021(#300)
Frozyre wrote:
> WWE Releases 8 more talent:
>
> John Morrison
> Isaiah "Swerve" Scott
> Top Dolla
> Ashante "Thee" Adonis
> Tegan Nox
> Drake Maverick
> Shane Thorne
> Jaxson Ryker
>
> WWE's practice in how they handle their business and talent pool is just disgusting.
> Soon they're going to be down to just Rollins, Roman, Becky, Charlotte, Brock, Goldberg
> and god knows who else.

You're about 4 days late with this news lol..
Frozyre
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shadyfozzie wrote:
> Frozyre wrote:
>> WWE Releases 8 more talent:
>>
>> John Morrison
>> Isaiah "Swerve" Scott
>> Top Dolla
>> Ashante "Thee" Adonis
>> Tegan Nox
>> Drake Maverick
>> Shane Thorne
>> Jaxson Ryker
>>
>> WWE's practice in how they handle their business and talent pool is just disgusting.
>> Soon they're going to be down to just Rollins, Roman, Becky, Charlotte, Brock,
> Goldberg
>> and god knows who else.
>
> You're about 4 days late with this news lol..
>

So?
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21-Nov-2021(#302)
ha.. didn't even realize survivor series was tonight
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