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Topic   chatting Official Discussion Thread - For Discussion of the Steals Thread Only

Lunar
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* 21-Mar-2017(#1)
Want to discuss about @Jeff's awesome steals thread but don't want to interrupt the flow? Feel free to discuss anything about the thread here.

Let's go. Feel free to rip someone a new one here.


Jeff
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4-Apr-2017(#241)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Require a steal proposal when dibbing and allow for competition. Easy. If you're
> offering good stuff that gets dibbed, good! If you're not, doesn't matter how hard
> you hit refresh.

Right, but what I don't want to happen is people offering the same "steals" copy and pasting over and over again... and those who will "dib and edit" their post later on... Yes, I know their posts may not get chosen -- but there's always that chance.

also, if we have 10 "dibs! ::steal here::" posts, and then it floods the thread because posts 4-10 are not part of the top 3... at least if we have clarification who the top 3 dibbers are, it'll make it easier to roll though.

DiamondDave
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4-Apr-2017(#242)
Difficult to implement, new mechanics are!

I think passwords ain't the way to go but I can see why competing offers might be bad as well. Maybe we do nothing?
Lunar
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4-Apr-2017(#243)
Here's my idea. I previously mentioned it a bit, but I will try to give an example.

Everyone signs up before the thread opens and is assigned a random #. Names queue up in the OP with #1 being on top, anyone new entering will be able to come in but they will be on the bottom of the list.

Example:

1 Jeff
2 DiamondDave
3 whitefire

and so on.

So and so posts a deal, for 30 minutes, anyone can dib but whoever is higher in the queue gets priority. So in this case, Jeff has the first right of refusal. After 30 minutes, the person highest on the list who called dibs gets it. And their name is moved to the bottom of the list. If both DiamondDave and whitefire called dibs this round, after 30 minutes, Jeff didn't dib. Then DD gets it.

I hope that wasn't too complicated. Feel free to pick it apart, I don't know how well it would actually work.

DiamondDave
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4-Apr-2017(#244)
kinda like a soft cooldown, not bad but it'd be more work for Jeff since he'd have to stay up on it constantly.
whitefire
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4-Apr-2017(#245)
Jeff wrote:
> whitefire wrote:
>> Competition's good. I'm not a fan of the password idea though. Multiple dibbers
> already
>> solves that problem. It feels a bit redundant to then add in something else.
>>
>>
>
> The password idea is good to help avoid campers that know a steal is coming and hit
> F5 constantly. You could have the same person in the top 3 dibbers every time...
> that would suck.
>

I guess campers don't bother me so much as long as there's competition for the dib. Good steals and good steals.

whitefire
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4-Apr-2017(#246)
DiamondDave wrote:
> kinda like a soft cooldown, not bad but it'd be more work for Jeff since he'd have
> to stay up on it constantly.

I agree. It's a fantastic idea that I think has real merit, and I'd like to see it implemented, but we also can't ask jeff to take on a ton of work here. I think suggestions that are more or less self-regulating once put into place are best.

tonymack21
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4-Apr-2017(#247)
if theres going to be compeitition for dibbers id think the +/- would be a better way to vote it than just the one original poster? soft cooldown queue isn't bad either but how could it be done so jeff isn't constantly having to redo the list.

DarkLink
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4-Apr-2017(#248)
By the way. I say don't do the whole - go to this page and look for this word.

Because people on their cell phones are going to lose 100% because people on the computer can just highlight the website and copy and paste way fast.

whitefire
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* 4-Apr-2017(#249)
tonymack21 wrote:
> if theres going to be compeitition for dibbers id think the +/- would be a better
> way to vote it than just the one original poster? soft cooldown queue isn't bad
> either but how could it be done so jeff isn't constantly having to redo the list.
>
>
>

I don't think we'd need a vote at all. Just someone dibbing the item should be fine. First one that gets dibbed wins, basically.

There's also an inherent fun with the risk too. Sure, you may want to wait for more people to dib and post a steal to see what's offered, but if you wait, you could also miss out because someone might dib before you.

Lunar
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4-Apr-2017(#250)
One way we could solve the constant updating of OP problem is to have someone who is on all the time to do it. I'd volunteer but I don't have alot of time to update, though I am on GTZ alot on my phone.

Anyway, it would have to get Jeff's approval and enough people interested. There's prob other easier to implement options we could try before then.

louisianaboots
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4-Apr-2017(#251)
Could do a time frame daily if you still wanted the 30 min rule, like 3 hours kr 4 hours a day have the theead open.

dunno001
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4-Apr-2017(#252)
louisianaboots wrote:
> This could be 4 items totalling a 70 dollar value or one item equally 70 dollars
> but both being sold for 40 for example. I know that one will be more popular than
> the other but the value and discount is the same, and thats largely what matters.
> I think keeping values high keeps discounts more constant is my idea.

Along these lines, a limit on the maximum number of items that can be bundled may make sense. Like you said, a $70 item for $40 is more of a steal than 4 items totalling $70 for $40. But the next person could offer 10 $7 items together for $40- considerably less desirable, but still the same discount. A limit of, say, 5 items together could help prevent a huge clearance bundle. Jeff could, of course, approve overages if the items truly go well together. (A bundle of all 7 PS2 .hack games has nice cohesion (even if an unrealistic value), a PS2 with 10 common games doesn't.)

Regarding the password or thing about quick dibbing, I don't think there's a need to make that more complex. If a person is quick to the draw too many times, they'll run out of things to offer, reverting back to the other deal and invoking the penalty clause. If someone truly has enough good stuff to offer, then by all means, they should be able to get it quickly.

DiamondDave
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* 4-Apr-2017(#253)
Even before her now-famous MSNBC comments explaining why "you have the leaking" on alleged ties between Trump officials and Russia, former defense official Evelyn Farkas had undertaken a media campaign to pressure her old colleagues in the Obama administration -- even Barack Obama himself -- to disclose what they knew. Farkas, who left the administration in 2015 after serving as a deputy assistant secretary of defense, raised eyebrows in the March 2 interview on MSNBC when she said there had been a rush to share information before President Trump took office.

"I was urging my former colleagues, and frankly speaking, the people on the Hill ... 'get as much information as you can, get as much intelligence as you can before President Obama leaves the administration,' because I had a fear that, somehow, that information would disappear with the senior people who left," she said.

"That's why you have the leaking, because people were worried," she added.

The interview came two days before Trump accused Obama of wire-tapping Trump Tower. While that allegation remains widely disputed, the White House jumped on Farkas' remarks as proof that intelligence leaking had taken place in the Obama White House. White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer called her remarks "devastating." But the MSNBC comments were hardly the only time Farkas encouraged the distribution of intelligence on Trump officials.

In a Politico column in December, Farkas voiced concern that the American public doesn't have access to the information the intel community has on connections between Russia and Trump. "The information needs to be made public," she wrote. "If the answers yield further evidence that the president-elect is indebted to the Russian government or individuals with Kremlin ties, the intelligence community and policy officials should also begin disclosing what they know about whether Trump's associates have been in contact with Russian officials, and what they've been discussing." She went on to warn that officials with answers to those questions and who could declassify that intel were to leave office when Trump took office.

Just days before Trump took office, Farkas went a step further in a piece for Newsweek and called for then-President Barack Obama to step in. "We need President Obama to share with the public the information the FBI has to date on this issue, and we need President-elect Trump to explain the full extent of his ties with the Kremlin and influential Russians," she wrote.

After the MSNBC appearance, Farkas spoke on March 20 with the BBC about the existence of evidence showing Russian interference in the presidential campaign. "Some of that, the proof is in very tightly held, classified channels," she said. "... And also the question of whether Trump's people were involved probably also would show up in those channels."

Farkas has not made her encouragement of such disclosures a secret. At the same time, she has stressed that she wasn't personally involved, and recently suggested her MSNBC comments were taken out of context -- saying she wouldn't specifically encourage leaking. "At the end of the interview I did start a new thought 'that's why they leaked,' but got cut off. I would have explained that leaking is illegal and I would never condone it, but it seems that the people who were leaking to the New York Times might have also been concerned that the legislative branch was being left in the dark," she told The American Spectator.

But the totality of her articles and interview appearances makes clear that, in her view, high-level Obama officials had potentially damaging information on Trump-Russia ties.

The comments could draw added attention amid reporting by Fox News and other outlets that Susan Rice, former Obama national security adviser, requested to unmask the names of Trump transition officials caught up in surveillance. The unmasked names, of people associated with Trump, were sent to all those at the National Security Council, some at the Defense Department, then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and then-CIA Director John Brennan -- essentially, the officials at the top, including former Rice deputy Ben Rhodes.
Foxhack
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4-Apr-2017(#254)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Lots of politics diarrhea

... Uh, dude, you posted this in the wrong forum.
DiamondDave
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* 4-Apr-2017(#255)
No, I just like to break the rules. Quit stalking me

edit: anyone but Foxhack can report the post; if he does it, he's a dog
Foxhack
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* 4-Apr-2017(#256)
DiamondDave wrote:
> No, I just like to break the rules. Quit stalking me
>
> edit: anyone but Foxhack can report the post; if he does it, he's a dog

Excuse me, I don't need your permission to be a dog, dog.
DiamondDave
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4-Apr-2017(#257)
*gasp*
GeeWiz
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4-Apr-2017(#258)
Foxhack wrote:
> DiamondDave wrote:
>> No, I just like to break the rules. Quit stalking me
>>
>> edit: anyone but Foxhack can report the post; if he does it, he's a dog
>
> Excuse me, I don't need your permission to be a dog, dog.

Female dogs, please please. Don't make me call the pound
NatGasHole
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4-Apr-2017(#259)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Even before her now-famous MSNBC comments explaining why "you have the leaking" on
> alleged ties between Trump officials and Russia, former defense official Evelyn Farkas
> had undertaken a media campaign to pressure her old colleagues in the Obama administration
> -- even Barack Obama himself -- to disclose what they knew. Farkas, who left the
> administration in 2015 after serving as a deputy assistant secretary of defense,
> raised eyebrows in the March 2 interview on MSNBC when she said there had been a
> rush to share information before President Trump took office.
>
> "I was urging my former colleagues, and frankly speaking, the people on the Hill
> ... 'get as much information as you can, get as much intelligence as you can before
> President Obama leaves the administration,' because I had a fear that, somehow, that
> information would disappear with the senior people who left," she said.
>
> "That's why you have the leaking, because people were worried," she added.
>
> The interview came two days before Trump accused Obama of wire-tapping Trump Tower.
> While that allegation remains widely disputed, the White House jumped on Farkas'
> remarks as proof that intelligence leaking had taken place in the Obama White House.
> White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer called her remarks "devastating." But the
> MSNBC comments were hardly the only time Farkas encouraged the distribution of intelligence
> on Trump officials.
>
> In a Politico column in December, Farkas voiced concern that the American public
> doesn't have access to the information the intel community has on connections between
> Russia and Trump. "The information needs to be made public," she wrote. "If the
> answers yield further evidence that the president-elect is indebted to the Russian
> government or individuals with Kremlin ties, the intelligence community and policy
> officials should also begin disclosing what they know about whether Trump's associates
> have been in contact with Russian officials, and what they've been discussing."
> She went on to warn that officials with answers to those questions and who could
> declassify that intel were to leave office when Trump took office.
>
> Just days before Trump took office, Farkas went a step further in a piece for Newsweek
> and called for then-President Barack Obama to step in. "We need President Obama
> to share with the public the information the FBI has to date on this issue, and we
> need President-elect Trump to explain the full extent of his ties with the Kremlin
> and influential Russians," she wrote.
>
> After the MSNBC appearance, Farkas spoke on March 20 with the BBC about the existence
> of evidence showing Russian interference in the presidential campaign. "Some of that,
> the proof is in very tightly held, classified channels," she said. "... And also the
> question of whether Trump's people were involved probably also would show up in those
> channels."
>
> Farkas has not made her encouragement of such disclosures a secret. At the same time,
> she has stressed that she wasn't personally involved, and recently suggested her
> MSNBC comments were taken out of context -- saying she wouldn't specifically encourage
> leaking. "At the end of the interview I did start a new thought 'that's why they
> leaked,' but got cut off. I would have explained that leaking is illegal and I would
> never condone it, but it seems that the people who were leaking to the New York Times
> might have also been concerned that the legislative branch was being left in the
> dark," she told The American Spectator.
>
> But the totality of her articles and interview appearances makes clear that, in her
> view, high-level Obama officials had potentially damaging information on Trump-Russia
> ties.
>
> The comments could draw added attention amid reporting by Fox News and other outlets
> that Susan Rice, former Obama national security adviser, requested to unmask the
> names of Trump transition officials caught up in surveillance. The unmasked names,
> of people associated with Trump, were sent to all those at the National Security
> Council, some at the Defense Department, then-Director of National Intelligence James
> Clapper and then-CIA Director John Brennan -- essentially, the officials at the top,
> including former Rice deputy Ben Rhodes.

TL:DR

whitefire
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7-Apr-2017(#260)
I have an idea. What if we put it in classifieds instead of general marketplace? It gets more traffic, plus it will force people to list exact prices which they should be doing anyway.

whitefire
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11-Apr-2017(#261)
Hey, guys. I posted a giveaway thread that's somewhat similar (although not nearly as cool) to some of the ideas we've been throwing around here. Feel free to give it a shot.

https://gametz.com/General/nes-classic-giveaway-se...

DarkLink
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13-Apr-2017(#262)
Alright guys.. Enough hiding... I was hoping to dib something before we stop.. but here was the SNES game Bundle i had to give away for a steal -

Donkey Kong Country 2
Super Double Dragon
Super Mario All-Star
and the two big ones I was talking about (remember I said nothing big but still) -

Super Mario RPG
The Death and Return of Superman


DarkLink
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* 13-Apr-2017(#263)
DarkLink wrote:
> Alright guys.. Enough hiding... I was hoping to dib something before we stop.. but
> here was the SNES game Bundle i had to give away for a steal -
>
> Donkey Kong Country 2
> Super Double Dragon
> Super Mario All-Star
> and the two big ones I was talking about (remember I said nothing big but still)
> -
>
> Super Mario RPG
> The Death and Return of Superman
>
>
>

thanks for the pluses..

I hope this would have been a good steal for someone..I think I was going to let this go for around 55 or so..
(which Super Mario RPG alone is worth around 45)

Lunar
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13-Apr-2017(#264)
That woulda been a legit price yes

Lunar
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13-Apr-2017(#265)
Can we get this party back in HERRRRRRR??! @Jeff?

DarkLink
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13-Apr-2017(#266)
Lunar wrote:
> That woulda been a legit price yes
>
>

Thanks man...

That is why I was just waiting my time to see if there was something I really wanted...

but now you guys know what I have next time we start this back up :)
Jeff
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14-Apr-2017(#267)
It's coming soon... :)

Patience!
DarkLink
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14-Apr-2017(#268)
Jeff wrote:
> It's coming soon... :)
>
> Patience!
>

What is this word - patience?

Jeff
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18-Apr-2017(#269)
You guys still here?

Dashey
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18-Apr-2017(#270)
yeah, we're just being patient.

DarkLink
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18-Apr-2017(#271)
Oh Hi :)

tonymack21
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18-Apr-2017(#272)
you said be patient lol

Jeff
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18-Apr-2017(#273)
Who's ready to give this a test run

DefaultGen
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18-Apr-2017(#274)
I'm just here to spectate.

tonymack21
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* 18-Apr-2017(#275)
Jeff wrote:
> Who's ready to give this a test run
>
>

I think interest is still pretty high, id say go for it

Jeff
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18-Apr-2017(#276)
I've updated the main topic with new rules. Please review and let me know what you guys think. I'll have this reopened by Friday at the latest... maybe sooner :)

DiamondDave
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* 18-Apr-2017(#277)
You keep breaking the formatting in the OP and it makes all posts go bold and big. lol

Anyways, looks much more complicated than it was before. Couldn't really follow so I'll probably not be participating this time around, at least until I see it working well and get it. I get the basics, three people dib and offer up steals, community votes and the steal that got dibbed-- the person whose steal was dibbed decides which one wins and then...-- like, even going back and trying to explain what I got confused me, lol. Whatever.

Still not a fan of digital at all. It's cheap. But I guess it keeps the thread running, just not good enough for me.

You have my feedback!
Jeff
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18-Apr-2017(#278)
I just kinda threw it all together, im reviewing it now and ill try to remove the formatting, etc to make it more legible, make sense... etc.

3 people dib
person offering steal chooses best steal
they offer up their steal
that steal is dibbed by 3 people, best steal chosen
initial steal can be pended.

DiamondDave
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* 18-Apr-2017(#279)
I get the basics but the actual functionality of edits and knowing what's up, or being the OP with three crap offers and not wanting to pick one, what the hell happens? The offerer loses what he dibbed on as the process steps back? You wait for three more offers? It moves on anyways?

Nah. lol
Jeff
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18-Apr-2017(#280)
It's only temporary to see how it works. If it's trash, we can go back to the original method.

Jeff
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18-Apr-2017(#281)
Jeff wrote:
> It's only temporary to see how it works. If it's trash, we can go back to the original
> method.
>
>

Plus, we have minimums now, there aren't going to be any garbage offers... or should be a minimum at that. Once people start seeing others offering steals, theyre going to want to one-up the other steal, otherwise they get nothing.


Topic   chatting Official Discussion Thread - For Discussion of the Steals Thread Only