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Topic   chatting Official Discussion Thread - For Discussion of the Steals Thread Only

Lunar
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* 21-Mar-2017(#1)
Want to discuss about @Jeff's awesome steals thread but don't want to interrupt the flow? Feel free to discuss anything about the thread here.

Let's go. Feel free to rip someone a new one here.


whitefire
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* 21-Apr-2017(#321)
Jeff wrote:
> hmm.. so, you're suggesting anyone can post up a steal, but the moment someone takes
> their steal, they are the one who is able to take the steal they previously dibbed
> on? I think i'm following, but it can get a bit confusing.
>
>

Basically, anyone can dib a steal (multiple dibbers is ok). Let the following dibber decide which of those previous dibbers had the best steal. If a dibber has a really good steal, it may be taken immediately, and then there's no reason for another dibber.

I think it gets confusing because of the redundant verbage, but I hope that simplifies it a bit. The idea is to allow the "market," this being the dibbers, to decide without a vote being necessary. First come, first serve still, but if your steal (after you dib) isn't up to sniff for an instant dib, others can dib after you. I think we should make a maximum (say 3 dibbers at a time), so that people don't just wait around to see if anything better comes along.

The idea is that when an item is a real heck of a steal, extra dibbers, voting, etc. won't be necessary. The structure is designed to simultaneously keep things moving at a good pace and allow for better steals.

SirConnery
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21-Apr-2017(#322)
I need to print out the rules and laminate them into a reference card. Or get a whole ton more coffee. Probably both.
Jeff
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22-Apr-2017(#323)
The issue were having is getting more people involved but keeping the flow going

tonymack21
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22-Apr-2017(#324)
My steal is posted now

WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
* 22-Apr-2017(#325)
Slow start, is it still 3 hours to get dibbed?
tonymack21
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22-Apr-2017(#326)
Very slow. I wonder if the community at large knows we are up and running again. I got some plusses but no dibs yet, but don't want anyone to have to mercy dib either. I may have sone other things. Guess I could do horizon if it comes to that I know that will fly. I've finished it my son was playing it but he's gotten on a state of Decay mad max kick lately so I could always get it again later

Jeff
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22-Apr-2017(#327)
Same, maybe nobody wants to participate, who knows. If it doesn't get running again like before, we'll see what we can do to adjust

Lunar
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22-Apr-2017(#328)
Let's go back to how it was before! But if we see some shenanigans, let's call them out as a group

WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
22-Apr-2017(#329)
I do like the idea of letting 2+ people call dibs, but 30 minutes is way too long. Maybe 10-15 minutes. Of course this only come into play for super good steals. I also think if you call dibs you should post your steal asap so its available as soon as possible.

I hope it picks up soon, kinda sad to check back hours later and no activity.
JEFFNES
Bronze Good Trader
22-Apr-2017(#330)
I like the old way we were doing it. Better flow.. Waiting on multiple dibbers may cause the person to forget to post the new steal
Jeff
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23-Apr-2017(#331)
See my post in the other thread. I know it's been slow... I'll think of something and hopefully we can remedy it

whitefire
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* 24-Apr-2017(#332)
With your permission @jeff I'd like to start a trade thread with the rules I laid out to see how it works.

To differentiate it from yours, I can make it a trade only thread (no money).

If you're cool with it, Jeff, I'll go ahead and start it.

Guys, these are the guidelines I was going to try oit. If anyone finds them confusing or whatever else, please let me know. It looks like a lot of info; but it's actually really simple in practice.



Please note that since this is a new thread, new rules may need to be added as time goes on as issues arise.

Here's the basic premise (it's somewhat similar to the steals thread but a bit different at the same time):

-You want an item, so you call dibs
-At the same time you call dibs, you post your own offer
-Here's where the fun part comes in-sniping: a sniper is person who may come along and try to snipe (dib on the item you just dibbed) your item by posting an offer of his/her own
-There may be up to 3 snipes per offer (so a total of 4 dibs, essentially)
-However, the sniping is over once a new item is dibbed
-So the idea is if you post a high-demand enough item, you won't have to contend with snipers
-If you don't, you may end up losing that item if the next user dibs one of their items instead of yours

Examples:

Scenario 1:

User A offers an item. User B dibs that item. User C dibs user B's item. Now user B gets user A's item.

Scenario 2:

User A offers an item. User B dibs that item. User C snipes. User D snipes. User E dibs user C's item. Now user C gets user A's item.

So first user to get their offer dibbed, wins the item they were trying to dib (or snipe)

Rules: (updated as needed)

-No mystery bundles
-No multiple items (choices) but one offer of multiple items is ok (ex: 5 games listed together is ok but a choice between 5 different games is not)
-Physical electronic and gaming items only (phones, tablets, video games, consoles, etc.)
- No gift cards, no digital items
- No selling. This is for items only. You may charge exact shipping, but you must note the shipping cost (if you're not sure, a maximum shipping cost is ok). However, this can only be exact shipping only (this will be based on the honor system, so please don't ruin it for everyone else because some people have trouble paying for shipping but may have some good stuff to offer)
- No mystery bundles/items of any kind. All offers must be explicit (condition, completeness, etc.)
- If an item is not dibbed on on for 24 hours, everything reverts back to the prevous offer
- You must wait to send out the offer until user who dibbed your offer has had their offer dibbed as well




Jeff
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24-Apr-2017(#333)
I'd like to get this thread up and running again first before other similar threads are implemented. I put the other thread on hold temporarily... However, I did want to see if you wanted to be part of the Review team.. i don't want to use moderation or mod to get confused with the actual Mods...

We will revert to the original 1st to dib, 1 person dib immediately concept.

However, we need to determine if we have a 3 person committee, what guidelines determine if something is not a legit steal, and at what point does someone say Okay, this deal isn't fair and requires the person to revise their steal... etc. Then what will be the next steps, etc.

I think having @whitefire , @Lunar and maybe one other person that is willing to throw in a hand. I wish I had a computer to be on more, but I don't and can only review during the day. Anyhow, we need 1 more person to assist.


Dustin
GameTZ Subscriber 650 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
24-Apr-2017(#334)
Jeff wrote:
> I'd like to get this thread up and running again first before other similar threads
> are implemented. I put the other thread on hold temporarily... However, I did want
> to see if you wanted to be part of the Review team.. i don't want to use moderation
> or mod to get confused with the actual Mods...
>
> We will revert to the original 1st to dib, 1 person dib immediately concept.
>
> However, we need to determine if we have a 3 person committee, what guidelines determine
> if something is not a legit steal, and at what point does someone say Okay, this
> deal isn't fair and requires the person to revise their steal... etc. Then what will
> be the next steps, etc.
>
> I think having @whitefire , @Lunar and maybe one other person that is willing to
> throw in a hand. I wish I had a computer to be on more, but I don't and can only
> review during the day. Anyhow, we need 1 more person to assist.
>
>
>

I can help on the value assessment.
Jeff
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24-Apr-2017(#335)
Dustin wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> I'd like to get this thread up and running again first before other similar threads
>> are implemented. I put the other thread on hold temporarily... However, I did
> want
>> to see if you wanted to be part of the Review team.. i don't want to use moderation
>> or mod to get confused with the actual Mods...
>>
>> We will revert to the original 1st to dib, 1 person dib immediately concept.
>>
>> However, we need to determine if we have a 3 person committee, what guidelines
> determine
>> if something is not a legit steal, and at what point does someone say Okay, this
>> deal isn't fair and requires the person to revise their steal... etc. Then what
> will
>> be the next steps, etc.
>>
>> I think having @whitefire , @Lunar and maybe one other person that is willing
> to
>> throw in a hand. I wish I had a computer to be on more, but I don't and can only
>> review during the day. Anyhow, we need 1 more person to assist.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I can help on the value assessment.

You got it yes

whitefire
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24-Apr-2017(#336)
Thank you for the offer, but I'll pass on the review team.

No problem. I'll hold off on making it.

Jeff
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* 24-Apr-2017(#337)
You don't have to do anything really, just review the steals and if something out of place is posted, just ask them to revise their steal... nothing outside of being an extra set of eyes is needed.

Any other volunteers want to be part of the review team? completely voluntary.

Jeff
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24-Apr-2017(#338)
UPDATED the main post. @dashey would you be interested in this?

DiamondDave
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24-Apr-2017(#339)
whitefire wrote:
> With your permission @jeff I'd like to start a trade thread with the rules I laid
> out to see how it works.
>
> To differentiate it from yours, I can make it a trade only thread (no money).
>
> If you're cool with it, Jeff, I'll go ahead and start it.
>
> Guys, these are the guidelines I was going to try oit. If anyone finds them confusing
> or whatever else, please let me know. It looks like a lot of info; but it's actually
> really simple in practice.
>
> ...
>
>

Sounds fun! Only shortfall I see in it is that it's likely people are much more willing to throw money around than product (I know I'd be pretty much out of the running after 2-3 trades) but it's a really neat concept. Cutthroat trading!

When a dib fails I could see mass confusion, or when someone's like "Well I don't want these new offers, they're dick; I want what someone offered back here."
Jeff
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24-Apr-2017(#340)
Going to get the main topic running again with the original rules... keep in mind, there is still a $15 min... no mystery boxes still, etc.. the only thing removed was the multi-person dibbing, waiting 30 mins, etc...

Jeff
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24-Apr-2017(#341)
Dustin, Lunar and myself will review steals, only going to address those that need to be changed.

Jeff
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24-Apr-2017(#342)
Updated the main post again, let's give it another run with the original style.

whitefire
GameTZ Subscriber 550 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
24-Apr-2017(#343)
Jeff wrote:
> You don't have to do anything really, just review the steals and if something out
> of place is posted...

I'm just not a fan of the idea, sorry.

Jeff
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24-Apr-2017(#344)
whitefire wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> You don't have to do anything really, just review the steals and if something
> out
>> of place is posted...
>
> I'm just not a fan of the idea, sorry.

Fair enough yes

Dashey
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24-Apr-2017(#345)
Jeff wrote:
> UPDATED the main post. @dashey would you be interested in this?
>
>

Not sure. I don't want to offer a crap steal and get half of the users triggered wry smile

Jeff
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24-Apr-2017(#346)
Dashey wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>> UPDATED the main post. @dashey would you be interested in this?
>>
>>
>
> Not sure. I don't want to offer a crap steal and get half of the users triggered
> wry smile

Then don't offer a crap steal, lol.


DiamondDave
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24-Apr-2017(#347)
You know what a good offer is and isn't, Dashey. Sometimes you suffer bouts of mental retardation it seems, but you know when you're doing good or not doing good.
Jeff
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24-Apr-2017(#348)
DiamondDave wrote:
> You know what a good offer is and isn't, Dashey. Sometimes you suffer bouts of mental
> retardation it seems, but you know when you're doing good or not doing good.

pretty much, he posts on find of the week daily... and I see you posting your finds on reddit groups. Don't act ignorant.
KingofGames
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24-Apr-2017(#349)
This is getting more and more complicated. The original rules were best. Just ban someone if they are blatantly taking advantage. I ended up with the two crap mystery bundles, and I still think the original rules were best.
Lunar
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24-Apr-2017(#350)
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Topic   chatting Official Discussion Thread - For Discussion of the Steals Thread Only