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DefaultGen
  
 
| #1 posted November 5, 2009 at 9:12pm (EST)
edited November 5, 2009 at 9:38pm (EST) |
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/11/pc-mode...
- 18 player game limit - Are you fudging kidding me!? Might as well be called "Modern Minor Battle 2"
- No console, can't change things like FOV or graphical tweaks.
- Can't kick players from games
- 5 second pause for host migration if host leaves game  IW.net sounds great.
Please don't buy this crap. Play the single player on one of your friend's console versions.
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RagingShadow07
 
| | #41 posted November 10, 2009 at 2:45pm (EST) |
Down to play some Spec-Ops or Multiplayer later? 
By the way, you can install it using the DVD drive and not have to use Steam. I'll link you to the tutorial if you want.
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millenium_dare
 
| | #42 posted November 10, 2009 at 5:04pm (EST) |
Sounds like a plan. Maybe not today (I've got homework) but sometime soon  . And I was able to install with the DVD discs. The game installed in 18mins 
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DefaultGen
| | #43 posted November 10, 2009 at 7:01pm (EST) |
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BoB
 
| | #44 posted November 11, 2009 at 11:13am (EST) |
i was mad till i played a few minutes of it after that i ordered it off newegg
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Chiefmigrain
| #45 posted November 11, 2009 at 4:08pm (EST)
edited November 11, 2009 at 4:15pm (EST) |
I'm sorry if this is disrepscting {and no, I play strategy gams on my pc all the time, so don't call me a console fanboy}, but what the hell is difficult and agnozing in going into matchmaking? You guy's will say 'well, it's been on pc for years' but that doesn't explain the big deal about it? Not saying it's wrong that you don't like it or dogging you for boycotting the game, but I just don't understand the big deal about it. Can someone please explain without calling me a dumbass and a whole other crapload of names, or calling me a console fanboy. I just want to know why it is a big deal. |
RagingShadow07
| #46 posted November 11, 2009 at 4:49pm (EST)
edited November 11, 2009 at 4:50pm (EST) |
Matchmaking sucks. That pretty much summarizes it.
It's laggy (and believe me, I've got some games where the host is lagging so bad I can't even Connect before in CoD4 on 360) and there's a player cap.
There's no way to customize any games because you're not the one that sets it up, and games have problems picking hosts that have decent connections.
If the host leaves, the game ends, or freezes long enough to be a problem and a big annoyance to everyone else.
You're not free to kick people that are cheating or being annoying, since there's no admin of a game. You can't pick the map you want to play on.
You're stuck playing with whatever the hell game the system throws you in.
If the person who's hosting happens to be doing something else (uploading files, downloading something, or etc.) everyone lags.
You're stuck sitting in a lobby until enough people join for the game to start, and they can leave at any time and restart the search.
I don't really need to list more complaints.
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metsfan718
| | #47 posted November 11, 2009 at 4:50pm (EST) |
Chiefmigrain wrote:
> I'm sorry if this is disrepscting {and no, I play strategy
> gams on my pc all the time, so don't call me a console fanboy},
> but what the hell is difficult and agnozing in going into
> matchmaking? You guy's will say 'well, it's been on pc for
> years' but that doesn't explain the big deal about it? Not
> saying it's wrong that you don't like it or dogging you
> for boycotting the game, but I just don't understand the
> big deal about it. Can someone please explain without calling
> me a dumbass and a whole other crapload of names, or calling
> me a console fanboy. I just want to know why it is a big
> deal.
It's a big problem dumbass |
Chiefmigrain
| #48 posted November 11, 2009 at 4:53pm (EST)
edited November 12, 2009 at 8:15am (EST) |
metsfan718 wrote:
> Chiefmigrain wrote:
>> I'm sorry if this is disrepscting {and no, I play strategy
>> gams on my pc all the time, so don't call me a console fanboy},
>> but what the hell is difficult and agnozing in going into
>> matchmaking? You guy's will say 'well, it's been on pc for
>> years' but that doesn't explain the big deal about it? Not
>> saying it's wrong that you don't like it or dogging you
>> for boycotting the game, but I just don't understand the
>> big deal about it. Can someone please explain without calling
>> me a dumbass and a whole other crapload of names, or calling
>> me a console fanboy. I just want to know why it is a big
>> deal.
>
> It's a big problem dumbassq
Why did I know one of you butt-holes were going to say that? Why the fudge can't you get your heads out of your asses and realize that you're not the only 'true" hardcore video gamers anymore. You don't need you stupid servers. If you want to play with your friends, get xfire our steam and invite them to the game or get in a party. It's not that hard. None of you idiots have realized that. You're all pissed off because they took away your precious servers, but you don't see that there's no big crisis about not having servers. The game still works. You can still play with your friends. But if you want to be an idiot and not play what may be the game of the year, go a fudging head. Have fun not playing the best shooting game that will be out this year. I tried to simply ask what the problem is, but I now see that it is because your are all idiotic butt-holes thinking youre the only true gamers. Maybe it was easier for Microsoft to take away the servers. Maybe they just wanted to experiment and see if IWnet would succed, but you idiots boycotted the game and bashed IW net before the game even came out! |
RagingShadow07
| #49 posted November 11, 2009 at 5:00pm (EST)
edited November 11, 2009 at 5:05pm (EST) |
I'm willing to bet, at this point, you haven't even bought, or played MW2's multiplayer at all. If you had, you'd have agreed with me. I've played 7 games today. 3 of which I have lagged my ass off and was going from one to two bars, and one out of those 7, I couldn't connect because the host's connection was horrible. Yesterday, I played about 10 games. 4 of those were lagging, and one of those 4, everyone in the game was going in bullet-time mode due to a framerate issue or something of the host.
Servers are a big deal to the PC community because they WORK. They get the job done with no problems. They're not that hard to set up with anyone with basic reading and typing skills, and with an IQ of over 30. And most importantly, they don't lag. If you're experiencing lag on a quality server that isn't run by someone's Pentium III machine on a DSL connection, then there's a 99% chance it's your own connection that's the weakest link.
Hell, I'd go so far as to say matchmaking is only on consoles instead of servers because they want everything simplified for them. Otherwise, you'd be scrolling down a server list and having a high quality connection to the host machine if a bunch of 8 year olds on Live could figure out how to set up a server.
Also, Microsoft has absolutely no say over what PC developers do. That's what gives PC gaming an edge. People would rather download a patch that fixes 30 issues and adds 3 new maps than pay $10 for the maps alone, and have to wait to get those problems fixed. IWNet was entirely Activision/IW's idea.
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Chiefmigrain
| | #50 posted November 11, 2009 at 5:20pm (EST) |
Raging Shadow, have you ever thought that the lag could be the cause of, o, let's see, MW2 is the most anticipated and most pre-ordered release of the year, and IT JUST CAME OUT YESTERDAY! Of course there's going to be lag. |
RagingShadow07
| | #51 posted November 11, 2009 at 7:50pm (EST) |
You honestly think (and this is hypothetically assuming there were 3 million people on PC playing MW2 at one time, which there haven't been so far) that IW wouldn't have prepared for there to be a massive swarm of people playing THE MOST ANTICIPATED SEQUEL OF ONE OF THE MOST PLAYED GAMES OF ALL TIME? Quit blaming a bad connection on there being people playing, and get off of dialup.
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Chiefmigrain
| | #52 posted November 11, 2009 at 7:54pm (EST) |
One, I have it on Xbox360, and I haved no problems. Plus, I have normal dsl on my pc. I was just stating that maybe you should quit blaming Infinity Ward for everything that goes wrong online. |
RagingShadow07
| | #53 posted November 11, 2009 at 8:03pm (EST) |
I'm putting blame where blame is due. 300,000 people and 800 servers petitioned against it. It's not the consumer's fault. It's IW, hence the IW in IWNet.
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antwaan
| | #54 posted November 11, 2009 at 9:32pm (EST) |
dedicated servers is biggest reason i liked counter strike so much. I could jump into my favorite game on dust2 straight from my steam list within 10 seconds with my favorite rules and admins and have a blast and not wait for all this connecting crap. So I went with my friends and got it on ps3 and wouldn't you know I still can't even play the damn game because all the servers have been down. It worked early yesterday fine but then when it got evening when everyone got home to get on and play I lagged out in 4 straight matches and just quit. then I get on this morning to find out things wont even be fixed until probably 4 days after the game came out. It is a fantastic game but fudge, let me play.
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Knight
 
| | #55 posted November 12, 2009 at 12:06am (EST) |
I just beat the campaign! gosh darn it was AWESOME im not saying buy the game, not at all, dont do that, you know, buy it for zero monies, comn you have to catch my drift by now, comn. Fudge you rage and all the people who bought the game for multiplayer I'll neg you till Bill takes that away from me to.
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guncrazy90
| | #56 posted November 12, 2009 at 12:53am (EST) |
If Chief bought it for 360, why is he arguing that IWNet is awesome?
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about
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RagingShadow07
| | #57 posted November 12, 2009 at 2:19am (EST) |
No idea. Apparently he's another console fanboy, and one who can't read at that. They all seem to be craving attention in the PC forum lately...
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ryanflucas
 
| | #58 posted November 12, 2009 at 2:52am (EST) |
Whats funny about this entire thread is that console gamers will buy the game either way and whatever happens they will live with it. Die Hard PC gamers are so dedicated to the cause, what's stopping them from opening up a game script box and editing it at their will, rebalancing it the way the want, and running their own servers? Don't say their isn't a way either, there always is. There's guys out there running their own WOW servers, Hellgate London servers, etc.
In the majority of cases I encounter, the average die hard PC gamer (which is almost all of you guys) is so smart that they could sit down and write their own computer games provided they had the money, artistic talent, and motivation to see the project through. I'm starting to think there is no such thing as casual PC gamers anymore. They all quit and moved to consoles a long time ago. |
DefaultGen
| | #59 posted November 12, 2009 at 4:19am (EST) |
Congratulations Raging on supporting this practice for PC gaming in the years to come.
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DefaultGen
| | #60 posted November 12, 2009 at 4:20am (EST) |
ryanflucas wrote:
> Whats funny about this entire thread is that console gamers will buy
> the game either way and whatever happens they will live with it. Die
> Hard PC gamers are so dedicated to the cause, what's stopping them
> from opening up a game script box and editing it at their will, rebalancing
> it the way the want, and running their own servers? Don't say their
> isn't a way either, there always is. There's guys out there running
> their own WOW servers, Hellgate London servers, etc.
>
It's ridiculous that only pirates should be able to play the game the way we're used to...
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RagingShadow07
| | #61 posted November 12, 2009 at 6:08am (EST) |
DefaultGen wrote:
> Congratulations Raging on supporting this practice for PC gaming in
> the years to come.
>
>
This is the only game in which I'd... tolerate... the developers pulling crap like this. I didn't want to miss the 2009 game of the year just because they intentionally messed up the matchmaking system. And believe me, they did. I'll keep hating IWNet until the day I die.
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DefaultGen
| | #62 posted November 12, 2009 at 6:32am (EST) |
You're off my top 8.
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RagingShadow07
| | #63 posted November 12, 2009 at 6:52am (EST) |
Back to the topic at hand, though. I don't think IW even cares anymore. It was a month before launch that IW dropped the news that they took out dedicated servers. 200,000 protests later, they didn't exactly re-add it. And despite some of the PC community not buying it, it still broke records. It's pretty safe to assume that their sales are more important than our protests, and that they plan to keep IWNet, maybe even in the next CoD, whether people 'support it' by buying their game or not.
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DefaultGen
| | #64 posted November 12, 2009 at 7:17am (EST) |
200,000 in an online petition doesn't mean crap. The people who don't actually buy the game are the only number that matters to IW.
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RagingShadow07
| | #65 posted November 12, 2009 at 8:19am (EST) |
Yep. As the past 2 weeks have shown, that's a sad but true fact. They've said 'they're looking into the petition since they want to listen to their community' or something to that effect, but that's probably best translated as 'we don't give a damn and will get to it when or if we can (will).'
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DefaultGen
| | #66 posted November 12, 2009 at 8:25am (EST) |
Even if dedicated servers come you're supporting $60 PC robbery 
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RagingShadow07
| | #67 posted November 12, 2009 at 8:26am (EST) |
The $60 I'm a little less pissed off about. That being said, there wouldn't be many games I'd actually buy with open arms at that price point. MW2 happens to be one of the ones I would, though. And even the last 2 days of gameplay have been worth the $60. Imagine if it lasts 2 years like CoD4 did.
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knighthawk
| | #68 posted November 12, 2009 at 8:27am (EST) |
ryanflucas wrote:
> Whats funny about this entire thread is that console gamers will buy
> the game either way and whatever happens they will live with it. Die
> Hard PC gamers are so dedicated to the cause, what's stopping them
> from opening up a game script box and editing it at their will, rebalancing
> it the way the want, and running their own servers? Don't say their
> isn't a way either, there always is. There's guys out there running
> their own WOW servers, Hellgate London servers, etc.
>
> In the majority of cases I encounter, the average die hard PC gamer
> (which is almost all of you guys) is so smart that they could sit
> down and write their own computer games provided they had the money,
> artistic talent, and motivation to see the project through. I'm starting
> to think there is no such thing as casual PC gamers anymore. They
> all quit and moved to consoles a long time ago.
agreed. i'm sure as soon as an organized group of gamers gets together and start hammering away at it servers will be popping up left and right.
are there hellgate london servers? guess i never thought to check. sadly i enjoyed parts of that game.
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RagingShadow07
| | #69 posted November 12, 2009 at 8:29am (EST) |
I'll admit, though. It would be a perfect marketing scheme and chance to rake in cash (even though it's an extremely low tactic) for IW or Activision to start offering dedicated servers as the sole provider right now. There are literally a million people that would be likely to pay for hosting for one, myself included.
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metsfan718
| | #70 posted November 12, 2009 at 9:14am (EST) |
Chiefmigrain wrote:
> metsfan718 wrote:
>> Chiefmigrain wrote:
> |>> I'm sorry if this is disrepscting {and no, I play strategy
> |>> gams on my pc all the time, so don't call me a console
> fanboy},
> |>> but what the hell is difficult and agnozing in going
> into
> |>> matchmaking? You guy's will say 'well, it's been on
> pc for
> |>> years' but that doesn't explain the big deal about it?
> Not
> |>> saying it's wrong that you don't like it or dogging
> you
> |>> for boycotting the game, but I just don't understand
> the
> |>> big deal about it. Can someone please explain without
> calling
> |>> me a dumbass and a whole other crapload of names, or
> calling
> |>> me a console fanboy. I just want to know why it is a
> big
> |>> deal.
>>
>> It's a big problem dumbassq
>
> Why did I know one of you butt-holes were going to say that?
> Why the fudge can't you get your heads out of your asses
> and realize that you're not the only 'true" hardcore video
> gamers anymore. You don't need you stupid servers. If you
> want to play with your friends, get xfire our steam and
> invite them to the game or get in a party. It's not that
> hard. None of you idiots have realized that. You're all
> pissed off because they took away your precious servers,
> but you don't see that there's no big crisis about not having
> servers. The game still works. You can still play with your
> friends. But if you want to be an idiot and not play what
> may be the game of the year, go a fudging head. Have fun
> not playing the best shooting game that will be out this
> year. I tried to simply ask what the problem is, but I
> now see that it is because your are all idiotic butt-holes
> thinking youre the only true gamers. Maybe it was easier
> for Microsoft to take away the servers. Maybe they just
> wanted to experiment and see if IWnet would succed, but
> you idiots boycotted the game and bashed IW net before the
> game even came out!
You added the q because you are a queer right? |
BoB
| | #71 posted November 12, 2009 at 9:21am (EST) |
why did people hate cod3?i recently got it on ps2 and like it alot but only for singleplayer.
also in rages defense hes been excited for this game since it was announced so it was no surprise that he got it.
yes i understand why not getting it would show solidarity.
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ryanflucas
| | #72 posted November 12, 2009 at 1:36pm (EST) |
DefaultGen wrote:
> It's ridiculous that only pirates should be able to
> play the game the way we're used to...
This doesn't make you a pirate, this makes you a dedicated gamer. Since when did dedicated PC gamers roll over when companies asked them to? If this approach is the norm, then it's no wonder companies are moving their production and support to the console side. The greatest PC games ever made were fueled by the independent movement to alter, rebalance, and mod games to the user's discretion. There's only a outcry from developers to stop this just because they feel they should. It's not enforced that much. For example there's tons of WOW servers out there run privately. As long as they stay private, and don't go to Blizzard for support, there's no real campaign out there to stop them. Sure you can argue that MW2 is a closed platform game, that it was created to be played by Infinity Ward's standards and not to be altered. If this is the case then the real petition lies in just not buying the game. I don't think you should be buying the game just because you want to support PC gaming as it sends the wrong message to developers. Online petitions are weak because they can be altered and faked. The real life petition is done by sales numbers. |
DefaultGen
| | #73 posted November 12, 2009 at 1:42pm (EST) |
I'm just guessing that the community of people that would crack the game to hack in their own network code is the same community that's pirating it in the first place. I'm sure IW would patch up the game so that up-to-date copies of the game wouldn't be able to use it, but that version 1.0 you pirated would be able to!
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ryanflucas
| | #74 posted November 12, 2009 at 1:50pm (EST) |
People who would alter a game to their liking don't use official patches anyway. |
guncrazy90
| | #75 posted November 12, 2009 at 1:53pm (EST) |
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This is why IW won't listen to anyone about anything...
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ryanflucas
| | #76 posted November 12, 2009 at 2:13pm (EST) |
lol |
RagingShadow07
| | #77 posted November 12, 2009 at 2:18pm (EST) |
That's the funniest thing I've seen all week. I wonder how many of those people just joined to be in the group because their friends invited them...
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DefaultGen
| | #78 posted November 12, 2009 at 2:25pm (EST) |
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DefaultGen
| | #79 posted November 12, 2009 at 2:26pm (EST) |
ryanflucas wrote:
> People who would alter a game to their liking don't use official patches
> anyway.
When developers build their game around the communities (like Unreal, Battlefield, and Half-Life games which are modded and mapped to hell) they do. Game mods aren't some underground community
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RagingShadow07
| | #80 posted November 12, 2009 at 2:29pm (EST) |
Yeah, for Christ's sakes, there's usually a Mods button on most game's main menus .
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