> a pointless exercise, but i been thinking about if Bern was the guy.
> It would seem likely he'd get hilly voters, unless they just stayed home.
> I think he take votes from Stein and Johnson.
> Would those Trump voters who held their noses and just hated Hilly been able the
> get past the whole socialist thing with Bern?
> Alternate universe.
I think Bernie would have won but it depend upon the answer to some questions.
1. Would the female Hillary supporters have pulled that same P.U.M.A bull$hit they pulled with Obama if they failed to get a woman nominated again?
I think it would depend. Some woman would have been as obstinate about it as many Bernie voters were towards Hillary. A lot of bridges were burned in that primary. However, once Hillary won she didn't do much at all to win Bernie voters over. She basically said, its either me or Trump. You could see that in her sleep inducing choice for VP. Would Bernie have tried something different? If Bernie nominated a female Vice Presidential candidate like Tulsi Gabbard would their bitterness have been mollified enough to support his ticket.
2. How much of Jill Stein's votes were actually Bernie voters who were protesting against Clinton. Anyone who followed the Democratic primary drama closely could see how desperately Jill Stein attempted to swim in Bernie's wake. Her blatant attempt to absorb his supporters was in my opinion disgusting. This is important because according to Politico Trump beat Clinton in Michigan 2,279,805 votes to 2,268,193 votes. The difference between the two was a mere 11,612 votes. Jill Stein pulled in a little more than 50k votes in Michigan. Trump beat Hillary Clinton in Wisconsin 1,409,467 votes to 1,382,210 votes for a difference of 27,357 votes. Over 30k voted for Jill Stein in that state. These are two states that Bernie crushed Hillary in during the primaries and those two states alone would have swung 26 EC votes from Red to Blue.
3. Did those Bernie voters who chose not to vote at all do so in large enough numbers in some states to overcome beligerant pro-Clinton voters? If so, would they have been enough to turn the tide in Pennsylvania. Trump beat Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania 2,912,941 votes to 2,844,705 votes. That's less than 70k votes in a state that has a f*ck ton of electoral college votes. And it wouldn't have taken much. If you assume the majority of Jill Stein's votes were Bernie protest voters (as I alluded to in #2) he would have grabbed the lions share of her almost 49 thousand votes in Pennsylvania. It wouldn't have taken much more to flip the state to the Democrats.
4. Would nominating Bernie instead of Hillary have caused a decrease in Republican voter enthusiasm? Personally, I think Republican hatred of Hillary Clinton was much stronger than their hatred of Bernie. They disagreed strongly on many of Sanders policies but they hated Hillary with a passion. They wanted to destroy her. How would a Bernie nomination have affected these Republican voters? This is especially important considering Trump would have had a much harder time arguing he was the populist champion if he was fighting Bernie instead of the elitist Hillary Clinton. Also, would Bernie have risk rekindling the anger of the Republican base by nominating someone like Hillary or Elizabeth Warren as VP to in an effort to win back Clinton voters?