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guncrazy90
  
| #1 posted August 19, 2008 at 11:27pm (EST)
edited August 22, 2008 at 12:29am (EST) |
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I find it rather infuriating that this is found on the front page...
It's the 21st century people, you shouldn't be this fudging ignorant...
Edit:
Wasn't going to post this, but I just want everybody here to know the one week suspension of Knight is useless
Might as well take him off restriction today
The only way to solve this problem is removal (not going to happen)
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bill
  
 
 
| #121 posted August 20, 2008 at 12:35pm (EST)
edited August 20, 2008 at 12:37pm (EST) |
I'm OK with Earth First logos... Though, I agree, they are kind of evil terrorists. If enough people raised a stink about your Earth First logo, I would probably talk to you and see if you'd be willing to take it down. If you weren't and people still doged ,I might take it down by force. If you put it back up, I might try punishing you until you complied. Again, assuming that public sentiment was still against you. Potentially, you might win people over if you managed to convince enough people that you have a right to use that logo, etc.
I restricted you more because you were being an annoyance. It wasn't so much about the exact thing you did, but the way you were doing it. You come on kind of strong and it pisses people off. It's your style, I know. I try to respect that. But, if people keep complaining to me about your behavior, it eventually becomes easier for me to just get rid of you. I'm sure I've said this before, it's my standard spiel.
Knight's restriction is more about his behavior than the symbols he used. He seemed to be saying that he did it to freak people out and get a reaction. That sounds kind of familiar, huh? That was OK the first time, but when he kept doing it. It seemed like an opportunity to try to change his direction. Since, I could see where it was leading.
I think a really key thing in any community is that people have to find a way to get along and fit in, somehow. If they keep pissing off other members of the community, the community will turn on them. I see my role as trying to keep the community relatively happy. Most of the time that means, leaving everyone alone. Sometimes, that means making a tactical strike to remove something that is causing constant irritation. |
hseehS
(abandoned)
| | #122 posted August 20, 2008 at 12:40pm (EST) |
Getting along is supposed to be a two way street; Seems the lynch mob is allowed to put up their one way signs whenever they choose, IMHO. Frankly, given it is the same people most of the time in that mob, are they, too, not an "irritation"?
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bill
| | #123 posted August 20, 2008 at 12:45pm (EST) |
It doesn't seem like the same people every time to me... well, there's some overlap, but it seems to shift around.
You may see yourself as an outsider. But, like I mentioned before, when I was ready to boot you, many people came forward in your defense. Was that the same old people? |
Visc
| | #124 posted August 20, 2008 at 12:45pm (EST) |
Sounds to me like you have a persecution complex.
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hseehS
(abandoned)
| | #125 posted August 20, 2008 at 12:53pm (EST) |
bill wrote:
> Was that the same old people?
My bet is that the people who stood up in my defense (which is appreciated but SHOULDN'T be part of the equation) are generally not for banning/restricting anyone. That said, mmx, neil, shaun and others are those of which I speak regarding "regular mob members".
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HaloGX
 
| | #126 posted August 20, 2008 at 12:55pm (EST) |
Actually, I stood up for you and have been in favor of banning other users. However if you keep dragging this out I may change my mind.
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BoB
 
| | #127 posted August 20, 2008 at 12:56pm (EST) |
i stuck up for you and im a mobster
dog, you never played FF8? - Vdub |
hseehS
(abandoned)
| #128 posted August 20, 2008 at 12:58pm (EST)
edited August 20, 2008 at 12:59pm (EST) |
By all means, please. Do as you wish, Aaron.
Like I said when the voting system took effect: If things are a popularity contest around here, say it up front when a user signs up and then implement that "democratic" methodology.
Very easy and simple, no? When a person gets enough negatives - zip. He/She is out without even a mod/owner's involvement.
Seems like the least amount of work - and hassle - for monitoring user content and controlling "unacceptable" behavior.
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bill
| #129 posted August 20, 2008 at 1:04pm (EST)
edited August 20, 2008 at 1:05pm (EST) |
Yeah - we had that before and it didn't work. The original complaints/restriction system (year ago, before your time) was democratic voting based thing. Users controlled who got restricted. It was a disaster. As I mentioned above, people would vote to approve just for kicks. Then, we had groups of friends form to push the vote one way or another.
Democracy sucks. That's why we have a benevolent dictator (me!) instead. Just pray that the power doesn't corrupt me too much. |
hseehS
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| #130 posted August 20, 2008 at 1:12pm (EST)
edited August 20, 2008 at 1:16pm (EST) |
The only way that the power will corrupt you too much is if you listen to the same brown-nosing set of "squeaking" users.
Overall, bill, I think you and the mods do a great job. I just think that you rely far too much on the whim (doging?) of what, really, is a small subset of users. In this case, it started over a symbol that is offensive to some in this set - but no less offensive than some of the crap pulled by those who are doing the complaining.
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bill
| #131 posted August 20, 2008 at 1:19pm (EST)
edited August 20, 2008 at 1:20pm (EST) |
Thanks.
If it seems like there's a small, unrepresentative group of people complaining; I hope that you (and others) will point this out and present the other side of the issue (whatever it is that day). That really does help me a lot. I certainly do make mistakes, but the more people I have giving their point of view, the more likely I am to make a better decision.
I have noticed it a little myself (the same people thing), but it still can influence me if there are no other voices. |
hseehS
(abandoned)
| #132 posted August 20, 2008 at 1:26pm (EST)
edited August 20, 2008 at 3:18pm (EST) |
In this case, I'm not standing up for knight (as you know). Instead, I'm trying to stick up for the concepts of consistency and fairness. As a site owner and as a mod, it is a hard thing to accomplish with regularity and I have no doubt you and your mods struggle with it daily.
Not an enviable task, for certain.
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kzn
(frozen)
| | #133 posted August 20, 2008 at 2:18pm (EST) |
Shadowrunner wrote:
> I find it ironic he made featured members 
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How does one make it to the feature list Bill? Is it a random user thing? There should be some criteria.
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BoB
| | #134 posted August 20, 2008 at 2:22pm (EST) |
very random even i end up on there sometimes
dog, you never played FF8? - Vdub |
bill
| | #135 posted August 20, 2008 at 3:14pm (EST) |
I think you get featured if you got a star recently or if you're a frikkin Nazi, something like that. |
jaric
| #136 posted August 20, 2008 at 3:15pm (EST)
edited August 20, 2008 at 3:16pm (EST) |
I'd like to see the code for that.
Something like if nazi = "yes" then Featured Member = True ? |
BoB
| | #137 posted August 20, 2008 at 3:20pm (EST) |
thank goodness im all about white power then or id never be featured
dog, you never played FF8? - Vdub |
DirtyMarco
| | #138 posted August 20, 2008 at 3:28pm (EST) |
/me laughs at BoB then leaves b4 being called a newb. |
Ramsey
(frozen)
| | #139 posted August 20, 2008 at 3:49pm (EST) |
Nazis can be lovable too. Who didn't have a thing for Sgt Shultz? |
Grenadier
| | #140 posted August 20, 2008 at 4:01pm (EST) |
Ramsey wrote:
> Nazis can be lovable too. Who didn't have a thing for Sgt Shultz?
Fixed the link for you. It was broken.
Click here to join Goozex and get a free game! |
rpgfan
| | #141 posted August 20, 2008 at 4:17pm (EST) |
I see nothing
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bill
| #142 posted August 20, 2008 at 4:18pm (EST)
edited August 20, 2008 at 4:19pm (EST) |
Jawohl herr kommandant! |
Ramsey
(frozen)
| | #143 posted August 20, 2008 at 4:35pm (EST) |
Grenadier wrote:
Fixed the link for you. It was broken.
Danke
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Richie
 
| | #144 posted August 20, 2008 at 7:09pm (EST) |
bill wrote:
> I think you get featured if you got a star recently or if you're a
> frikkin Nazi, something like that.
lol
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bill
| | #145 posted August 20, 2008 at 7:54pm (EST) |
For the record, featured users are the latest 100 people to have made some sort of achievement (stars, globes, 5/10 year anniversary) |
kzn
(frozen)
| | #146 posted August 20, 2008 at 9:58pm (EST) |
I like the original response better
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BoB
| | #147 posted August 20, 2008 at 10:16pm (EST) |
bill wrote:
> For the record, featured users are fascist bastards who display hitler-esque tendencies
> and some sort of achievement towards a goal of world domination.
better khangnizzle?
dog, you never played FF8? - Vdub |
kzn
(frozen)
| | #148 posted August 20, 2008 at 10:18pm (EST) |
werd
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nihon
| | #149 posted August 21, 2008 at 1:03am (EST) |
Sheesh wrote:
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> How about making a list of "objectionable" symbols and images. I
> mean, there will be other users who come here and post other racist,
> excrement, non-religious or religious symbols, etc. and we want to
> give them a heads up as to what is appropriate and not, no? That
> way, the have an idea how they can not only keep out of trouble, but
> off the list of the site's "book burning" preachers (who sometimes,
> themselves, take liberty with their own sense of "appropriateness").
This would violate WP:BEANS.
-- Apple/Mac Forum -- |
Electronic_Tough_Guy
 
| | #150 posted August 21, 2008 at 2:38am (EST) |
wikipedo spotted
This site deserves a better class of trolls |
Kommie
| | #151 posted August 21, 2008 at 8:49am (EST) |
Wikipedia is all lies. |
Scavenger4
| | #152 posted August 21, 2008 at 9:31pm (EST) |
Sheesh wrote:
> In this case, I'm not standing up for knight (as you know). Instead,
> I'm trying to stick up for the concepts of consistency and fairness.
> As a site owner and as a mod, it is a hard thing to accomplish with
> regularity and I have no doubt you and your mods struggle with it
> daily.
>
> Not an enviable task, for certain.
Where do the concepts of consistency and fairness exist on a privately owned website? Not to continue down the road of argument but I find it hilarious that the first defense to posting offensive or objectable material is the rights given by the first amendment, completely missing the entire point that freedom of speech exists in the public domain and not on privately owned websites like GTZ.
Also, for the record, just because users don't agree with your opinions or politics doesn't mean they necessary want you removed... Its your unwillingness to admit you're wrong, ability to never stay on topic, and constant need to spread "hate" of the right while claiming they are the true "hate mongers" that makes me realize the childish ignorance you possess and why I should do my best just to not respond. Having said that, I can't resist a good political debate and I do respect your right to your own opinion - something you definitely shouldn't be removed for.
Now if you'd like to post symbols of hate to be broadcast to the entire community on the front page, I'd support your removal without question. |
RLeav20717
| | #153 posted August 21, 2008 at 10:21pm (EST) |
Scavenger4 wrote:
> Sheesh wrote:
>
> Also, for the record, just because users don't agree with your opinions
> or politics doesn't mean they necessary want you removed... Its your
> unwillingness to admit you're wrong,
so gun should leave?
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Scavenger4
| | #154 posted August 21, 2008 at 11:19pm (EST) |
Notice I never said Sheesh should leave anywhere in my post as I do not think he should (by choice or forcefully by banning).
The comments I left were reasons why I tend to just ignore his postings anymore. My responses to Sheesh were as useful as talking to drywall. |
hseehS
(abandoned)
| | #155 posted August 21, 2008 at 11:52pm (EST) |
Gypsum. Terrible stuff.
Tony, I wasn't aware that I made a first amendment argument.
What I did say is I believe bill has made arbitrary decisions in the past that result in a lack of consistency and fairness. As a CUSTOMER, I have the right to say such a thing with the intent to improve the community. As an OWNER, bill can refuse to serve me as he wishes.
Regarding dismissing people's opinions, I do indeed do such things, particularly to fundamentalist types. How can one even consider the opinions of another who believes in talking snakes (my kick of the day)? Right out of the gate, folks of this type tell everyone that they are insane.....
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RLeav20717
| | #156 posted August 22, 2008 at 12:07am (EST) |
bible reference?
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Electronic_Tough_Guy
| #157 posted August 22, 2008 at 12:18am (EST)
edited August 22, 2008 at 2:26am (EST) |
stop posting please
edit: In reference to the one below me, way to delete
This site deserves a better class of trolls |
guncrazy90
| | #158 posted August 22, 2008 at 12:29am (EST) |
Wasn't going to post this, but I just want everybody here to know the one week suspension of Knight is useless
Might as well take him off restriction today
The only way to solve this problem is removal (not going to happen)
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benstylus
| | #159 posted August 22, 2008 at 12:35am (EST) |
eh, i dunno... he pulls an m and he'll find himself with a bootprint on his backside pretty quick.
One day I will kill him.
Then, I will be Ten. |
RLeav20717
| | #160 posted August 22, 2008 at 12:40am (EST) |
crybaby alert
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