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Guru
  
| | #1 posted February 28, 2008 at 11:24pm (EST) |
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| | #921 posted May 29, 2008 at 4:01pm (EST) |
Admiral wrote:
> So lemme get this straight - since 2K games did the EXACT same thing
> EA did (whether they were forced to or not), and fudgeed up the game
> THEY had a chance to make great, it's EA's fault?
>
> That's ludicrous, but whatever 
Yup. When you get right down to it, you can blame EA for pretty much anything and everything that's wrong with the gaming industry today, and make at least a halfway decent argument for it. 
Essentially, the fact that the program was poorly made is a direct consequence of laziness from the programmers. The laziness of the programmers is a direct consequence of a lack of competition. The lack of competition is a direct consequence of the exclusivity contract with the MLB. The MLB contract with 2K was a direct response to EA's continued buying up of other sports licenses (most directly related to the NFL). At any rate, even if EA had bought the exclusivity contract instead, my guess is the game would be equally bad but for different reasons.
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Story at 11. | LiL_Ramsey
 
| | #922 posted May 29, 2008 at 4:17pm (EST) |
mentalpowers wrote:
> I still play MVP Baseball 2005. I'd try one of the newer ones, but I've been
> hearing too many mixed opinions on them to warrant spending money on any of
> them.
One of my favorite sports games of all time.
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| #923 posted May 29, 2008 at 4:36pm (EST)
edited May 29, 2008 at 4:40pm (EST) |
Admiral wrote:
> Oh come on Ben, even YOU'RE not crazy enough to believe what you just
> wrote.
>
> That's as bad as blaming videogames for violence. 
>
> 2K games made a crapty product. That's THEIR choice. Period.
Fair enough - 2K games is mostly responsible, but I still blame the shift towards exclusivity (which led to this garbage in the first place) on EA.
And it's not that i link 2K to sega - it's that EA is the anti-sega 
Besides the best baseball game ever made was Greatest Nine '98.
Astonishing new research reveals that, contrary to popular opinion, enough may not necessarily be enough, as had been believed previously.
Story at 11. | DR_SPOCK
| | #924 posted May 29, 2008 at 5:53pm (EST) |
benstylus wrote:
> Admiral wrote:
>> So lemme get this straight - since 2K games did the EXACT same
> thing
>> EA did (whether they were forced to or not), and fudgeed up the
> game
>> THEY had a chance to make great, it's EA's fault?
>>
>> That's ludicrous, but whatever
>
> Yup. When you get right down to it, you can blame EA for pretty much
> anything and everything that's wrong with the gaming industry today,
> and make at least a halfway decent argument for it.
>
> Essentially, the fact that the program was poorly made is a direct
> consequence of laziness from the programmers. The laziness of the
> programmers is a direct consequence of a lack of competition. The
> lack of competition is a direct consequence of the exclusivity contract
> with the MLB. The MLB contract with 2K was a direct response to EA's
> continued buying up of other sports licenses (most directly related
> to the NFL). At any rate, even if EA had bought the exclusivity contract
> instead, my guess is the game would be equally bad but for different
> reasons.
I can't tell if you're really taking the position that MLB 2K8 is dick because of EA or not, but it's fudging bullcrap regardless. 2K Games made a crap game - nobody forced them to do so. If they saw the exclusive license as an excuse to make a poor game, than they're a crapty development company (this is something EA does and they're reviled for it, rightfully so, so it's only fair that 2K Games receive the same revilement).
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| | #925 posted May 29, 2008 at 5:55pm (EST) |
Admiral wrote:
> Exclusivity is indeed the work of EA. I'll conceed that...and
> it IS a huge problem. But that doesn't stop everyone else from making
> their own games great.
>
> As for EA being the Anti-Sega? I think you are on to something there...
>
> - EA continues to make the franchises their fans want. Sega ruins
> and/or forgets about their franchises
Shinobi? Panzer Dragoon? Toe Jam & Earl? Samba de Amigo?!?!
...and then there's Sonic. Still, 1/5!
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| | #926 posted May 29, 2008 at 6:01pm (EST) |
DR_SPOCK wrote:
> Admiral wrote:
>> Exclusivity is indeed the work of EA. I'll conceed that...and
>> it IS a huge problem. But that doesn't stop everyone else from
> making
>> their own games great.
>>
>> As for EA being the Anti-Sega? I think you are on to something
> there...
>>
>> - EA continues to make the franchises their fans want. Sega ruins
>> and/or forgets about their franchises
>
> Shinobi? Panzer Dragoon? Toe Jam & Earl? Samba de Amigo?!?!
>
> ...and then there's Sonic. Still, 1/5!
>
Samba's getting a Wii release.
As for Shinobi, Panzer, and TJ&E, you wouldn't make more of them either if they weren't profitable and your company had been in the red for the past ten years in a row.
Sega is fudging fantastic, but unfortunately, Sega is no longer Sega.
They still make some awesome games though.
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Story at 11. | DR_SPOCK
| | #927 posted May 29, 2008 at 6:05pm (EST) |
I meant that those franchises had NOT been forgotten and were NOT ruined.
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| | #928 posted May 29, 2008 at 6:20pm (EST) |
High Heat > MVP, 2k | AlphakirA
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| | #929 posted May 29, 2008 at 6:29pm (EST) |
mentalpowers wrote:
> I still play MVP Baseball 2005. I'd try one of the newer ones, but
> I've been hearing too many mixed opinions on them to warrant spending
> money on any of them.
>
Don't do it. It's great to rent them and play with your favorite players, but as I stated, they're so glitchy and barely updated that's it's just not worth your money. Still with the oldie and just keep updating the rosters
 | colon
| | #930 posted May 29, 2008 at 7:00pm (EST) |
Sonic Rivals {PSP} 6/10
 | Smaug317
| | #931 posted May 29, 2008 at 7:23pm (EST) |
Ikaruga: 7/10
Sonic the Hedgehog (XBLA): 6/10
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (XBLA): 6.5/10
Decent games, but not as good as I hoped/remembered.
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| | #932 posted May 29, 2008 at 9:39pm (EST) |
Mario Kart Double Dash - 8/10 The only mario kart I've ever played. It's fun but if you have no friends like myself after about 3 or so hours of play there isn't much to do unless you feel like trying to beat your own times repeatedly. | DR_SPOCK
| | #933 posted May 29, 2008 at 10:04pm (EST) |
Admiral wrote:
> DR_SPOCK wrote:
>> I meant that those franchises had NOT been forgotten and were NOT
>> ruined.
>>
>>
>
>
> Those all are not even CLOSE to their former games in terms of quality.
> Maybe "ruined" is too harsh...but nobody gives a crap about those
> titles anymore - not like they do with Mario, Zelda, Madden, etc.
Dude, if you think Shinobi and Panzer Dragoon Orta are anything less than FUDGING GREAT than you've got screws loose. We'll see about Samba (would be hard to fudge up though). I've never played a TJ&E game, but from what I've heard from those that enjoy the series the third is on par with the rest.
Seriously though, those two games (Shinobi, PDO) are two of the best of the last generation.
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| | #934 posted May 29, 2008 at 10:36pm (EST) |
Smaug317 wrote:
> Ikaruga: 7/10
> Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (XBLA): 6.5/10
>
DefaultGen.info Trade me Steel Battalion/Tekki Stuff!
| benstylus
| #935 posted May 29, 2008 at 10:58pm (EST)
edited May 29, 2008 at 11:00pm (EST) |
DR_SPOCK wrote:
> Dude, if you think Shinobi and Panzer Dragoon Orta are anything less
> than FUDGING GREAT than you've got screws loose. We'll see about Samba
> (would be hard to fudge up though). I've never played a TJ&E game,
> but from what I've heard from those that enjoy the series the third
> is on par with the rest.
>
I played the third one and it was fantastic for the first couple hours due to the nostalgia factor, but then it began to drag on and on and on and on...
I think what makes the original TJ&E so great is that you can beat it in less than 2 hours, because beyond that it's charm wears thin.
> Seriously though, those two games (Shinobi, PDO) are two of the best
> of the last generation.
>
Astonishing new research reveals that, contrary to popular opinion, enough may not necessarily be enough, as had been believed previously.
Story at 11. | sgtshaggy
 
| | #936 posted May 29, 2008 at 11:37pm (EST) |
2K games has MLB exclusivity? How does one explain the anomaly that is my MLB: The Show?
Anyway:
FIFA 08 (PS3) - Yep, it's improved; yep, it's great; yep, it's EA.
shags
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| | #937 posted May 29, 2008 at 11:39pm (EST) |
sgtshaggy wrote:
> 2K games has MLB exclusivity? How does one explain the anomaly that
> is my MLB: The Show?
It's "3rd party exclusivity"
So if one of the console hardware makers wants to make a baseball game they can, but 2K is the only software-only place that can do it.
Astonishing new research reveals that, contrary to popular opinion, enough may not necessarily be enough, as had been believed previously.
Story at 11. | sgtshaggy
| | #938 posted May 29, 2008 at 11:40pm (EST) |
Ah, interesting deal that. Glad it didn't spoil the goodness that is MLB 08. Thanks Shaun.
shags
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| | #939 posted May 29, 2008 at 11:45pm (EST) |
benstylus wrote:
> Admiral wrote:
>> Oh come on Ben, even YOU'RE not crazy enough to believe what you
> just
>> wrote.
>>
>> That's as bad as blaming videogames for violence.
>>
>> 2K games made a crapty product. That's THEIR choice. Period.
>
>
> Fair enough - 2K games is mostly responsible, but I still blame the
> shift towards exclusivity (which led to this garbage in the first
> place) on EA.
>
> And it's not that i link 2K to sega - it's that EA is the anti-sega
>
>
> #Besides the best baseball game ever made was Greatest Nine '98.
>
>
>
You LIE. The best Baseball game is Wii Sports Baseball followed closely by Mario Superstar Baseball.
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| | #940 posted May 29, 2008 at 11:51pm (EST) |
Smaug317 wrote:
>>
>> #Besides the best baseball game ever made was Greatest Nine '98.
>
> You LIE. The best Baseball game is Wii Sports Baseball followed closely
> by Mario Superstar Baseball.
Nah not even close. Neither of those have a NiGHTS team
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Story at 11. | j_factor
| | #941 posted May 30, 2008 at 12:47am (EST) |
Admiral wrote:
> - EA continues to make the franchises their fans want.
Where the fudge is Road Rash? And the Strike series? Didn't everyone want more Mutant League sports games? Whatever happened to Populous? Wouldn't a new Dungeon Keeper be nice?
> Sega
> ruins and/or forgets about their franchises
Sega may have ruined Sonic... but EA ruins franchises too. They're just franchises that weren't theirs originally. Ever hear of Ultima?
<benstylus> what crappy game from 15 years ago have you been playing lately?
Answer: Super Buster Bros. (snes) | DR_SPOCK
| | #942 posted May 30, 2008 at 1:41am (EST) |
Admiral wrote:
> DR_SPOCK wrote:
>>
>> Seriously though, those two games (Shinobi, PDO) are two of the
> best
>> of the last generation.
>>
>>
>
> PDO is a good game, Shinobi is so damn lame I can't even take it.
> For an action/platform type title, it's average at best when compared
> others on the PS2 - and compared to Shinobi 1/2/3.
PDO is great, but I'll live with good. You've got to explain yourself on Shinobi though. I will not stand for Shinobi hate.
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| | #943 posted May 30, 2008 at 3:38am (EST) |
Final Fantasy III (DS) - 8/10: enjoying this a lot as i do with all final fantasys. really looking forward to ffiv on ds because its one of my favorite rpgs ever.
Mass Effect (360) - 9/10: Too simple in some aspects and too complicated in others, but for some reason its very satisfiying.... a great rpg/shooter combo. | benstylus
| | #944 posted May 30, 2008 at 10:25am (EST) |
Admiral wrote:
> J, aside from a few hardcore fans and cult gamers - NOBODY gives a
> crap about any of those franchises
Not anymore because EA forgot about them Which kind of proves j_factor's point.
They used to be HUGE (except populous, which was always kind of low key)
Astonishing new research reveals that, contrary to popular opinion, enough may not necessarily be enough, as had been believed previously.
Story at 11. | Spunion
| | #945 posted May 30, 2008 at 4:06pm (EST) |
AlphakirA wrote:
> Spunion wrote:
>> I just rented MLB 2K8 and it made me want to sent 2K Sports anthrax.
>
>  but i take it you'll continue playing because like me, you have
> to play a MLB game during baseball season?
>
>
No, I've already played MLB 08 The Show for PS3 Its like having Megadeth tickets but seeing a crapty local metal band instead. | Spunion
| | #946 posted May 30, 2008 at 4:10pm (EST) |
Haze 6/10
The graphics suck, the acting and script are cheesey as hell, its incredibly annoying when you have a fuzzy nectar disruption and you struggle to control your guy or one of your teammates turns red and opens fire on you, but for some odd reason I found it strangely satisfying. It also gets a lot better when you switch sides and start uses tactics (planting mines, faking dead, etc) instead of nectar. Its also really short. Not a bad rental. | Smaug317
| #947 posted May 30, 2008 at 4:37pm (EST)
edited May 30, 2008 at 4:37pm (EST) |
Super-Hero post!
X2: Wolverine's Revenge (GC): 4/10 hardly tollerable.
X-Men Legends (GC): 9.75/10 The best X-Men game of all time. (yes, even better than the arcade) Great visuals, great story, great controlls, and great characters. (even though Angel got cut)
X-Men Legends 2 (GC): 7.75/10 Bland compared to the first, didn't offer much new, story wreaked. I had such high hopes too. 
Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects (GC): 6/10 BAH! This had so much potential.
Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects (DS): 4/10 Ugh. Much worse than the console version and still one of the best fighters on the DS! 
Marvel Trading card game (vs system) (DS): 8/10 brings the fun of Vs to the DS. Wished there could'a been some more expansions though.
Marvel Ultimate Alliance (Wii/360): Great game. Not quite up to X-Men Legends level, but great. It also got a little repetetive in the middle. 9/10
Justice League Heroes (Xbox): 9/10 Great game. Awesome story. Nice visuals. (though I don't care for the style; way too buff)
Spider-Man (GC) 7/10
Spider-Man (GBA) 5.5/10 Ugh.
Spider-Man 2 (GC) 8.5/10 great new formula, however now there are better Spider-Man games to play.
Spider-Man 2 (GBA) 5.5/10 See Spider-Man (GBA) comment.
Ultimate Spider-Man (GC) 9.5/10 Awesome. Great story. Love the visiuals. Most fun to play.
Spider-Man 3 (Wii): 6.5/10. Graphics = horrid. Web Slinging = best part of the game. That's about all I can say really. I'm usually not one to complain about graphics, but when they're so bad that it almost HURTS to play the game, that's where I draw the line.
Spider-Man 3 (360): 8.5/10 Graphics = city looks great, characters not so great. ( ) Web slinging = awesomness. IMO it doesn't live up to Ultimate Spider-Man. However, there're a lot more missions and things to do than in USM. (making it a longer game) This is like Spider-Man 2 brought to next gen.
I'm eagerly anticipating this next Spider-Man game.
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| | #948 posted May 30, 2008 at 6:52pm (EST) |
Admiral wrote:
> DR_SPOCK wrote:
>> You've got to explain yourself
>> on Shinobi though. I will not stand for Shinobi hate.
>>
>>
>
> I didn't HATE it really. The biggest problems I had were repetitive
> enemies, repetitive gameplay, repetitive levels, and average graphics.
>
> Did I mention repetitive? Games like God of War, Rygar, etc did the
> 3D action SO much better than Shinobi. If it were the only game of
> its type on the PS2, I could deal with it. But IMO, there is no point
> in playing it.
But none of those have the TATE System, which MAKES the game. No other 3D action games have even attempted something similar, much less succeeded in the way that Shinobi did. The TATE System changes the entire dynamic of combat, not unlike the way the polarity system in Ikaruga changed the dynamic of the top-down shooter. The environments aren't spectacular and the enemies do get repetitive, but the gameplay is so well executed that those things are trivial. A skilled played can defeat bosses in one-two hits using the TATE, while a lesser player could take much much longer to accomplish the same task. TATE = genius.
I also loved that Shinobi required the player to become better. Typically, you'll get new power-ups or weapons as the game progresses so you're more able to battle more difficult enemies, but with Shinobi this did not happen. The game became increasingly difficult and you were still stuck with the same sword and combat maneuvers, which forces you to become better and utilize the TATE system. Certain levels were almost entirely aerial, in that you'd have to wall jump constantly to succeed. Again, players are forced into utilizing and become adept at the play mechanics you're given.
Shinobi took old-school gaming, put it in a 3D plane, and revolutionized it. No, it doesn't look very good. No, you don't get flashy weapons/power-ups. No, it's not going to be easy. Go play Ninja Gaiden if this is upsetting to you!!
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| | #949 posted May 30, 2008 at 7:19pm (EST) |
Ninja Gaiden is for people who couldn't handle Shinobi.
I do like Ninja Gaiden though.
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| | #950 posted May 30, 2008 at 7:21pm (EST) |
Sooo, Shinobi is harder then Ninja Gaiden?
I could never handle it then. | Guru
| | #951 posted May 30, 2008 at 7:28pm (EST) |
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