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Topic   Zelda vs. Mario

BloodPuppetX
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* 27-Jan-2018(#1)
Which of these Nintendo franchises do you consider to be the best overall?

Zelda positive
Mario negative

I only got the idea for this topic after seeing that I could use positive to represent Zelda and negative to represent Mario lol. I'm talking about the main series in each (so action-adventure Zelda games vs. Mario platformers).

Here are the Wikipedia entries that show the main games I'm referring to:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zeld...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario

So pretty even, in terms of overall output.


KCPenguins
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* 30-Jan-2018(#41)
BloodPuppetX wrote:
> KCPenguins wrote:
>> I think my biggest problem with Zelda 2 was it felt like you were playing a crossover
>> of Dragon Warrior and Rambo, neither of which I enjoyed.
>
> Never played Rambo, but now I want to.
>
>
>


lol.. Honestly it had a lot of potential, but then you parachute into the jungle to fight the Vietnamese/Russians to free POW's like a badass bugs, bats and other animals with your knife. (Eventually you fight people and get weapons)

If you play, use save states, otherwise I probably have a spare cart. The passwords are a dog.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ttd_HcgaoXQ
Noid
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30-Jan-2018(#42)
It's a dead heat! shock
Admiral
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31-Jan-2018(#43)
SHEESH....these are tough!
BloodPuppetX
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31-Jan-2018(#44)
Admiral wrote:
> SHEESH....these are tough!

Maybe this one will be easier:

Ocarina of Time positive

or

Super Mario 64 negative


lpeters82
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31-Jan-2018(#45)
BloodPuppetX wrote:
> This might be a tough one for some:
>
> A Link To the Past positive
>
> Or
>
> Super Mario World negative

One Play-through: A Link to the Past
Replay Value: Super Mario World
lpeters82
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* 31-Jan-2018(#46)
BloodPuppetX wrote:
> All tied up at 16 votes apiece. How about this?
>
> Zelda II positive
>
> Or
>
> Super Mario Bros. 2 negative
>
> Battle of the oddballs

Super Mario Bros. 2

PS: I have negatives turned off.
DefaultGen
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31-Jan-2018(#47)
Nintendo re-releases Zelda games way more often than they do Mario games. That's because all the Mario games are already perfect as-is and don't need fixing.

dustin11
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31-Jan-2018(#48)
Mario games also sell significantly better than Zelda games do. Much wider appeal.
Scott
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* 31-Jan-2018(#49)
Looks like I have some catching up to do!

Zelda vs Mario

This is really hard. I love both franchises. A lot of my best gaming memories are from both of them, not to mention some of my favorite games of all time. Super Mario Bros. was the first game I ever played. Link's Awakening was the first full-length game I ever beat completely on my own. I loved both of their entries into the 3D world about equally. The 2D Mario games are great because they're easy to just sit down and play at any time, and can be beaten in 1-3 sittings depending on the game. The 2D Zelda games are great because, no matter how many times I've played them, I'm still just as captivated and drawn in by them as I was the first time. A major point against Zelda is that the 3D games haven't aged well for me. I thought Ocarina of Time was amazing and played the crap out of it in the late 90s and early 2000s, but now, it doesn't hold my interest. None of the others I've tried to replay have been able to either. Breath of the Wild was good, but it lost a lot of what makes Zelda special. If the next 3D Zelda game can keep the improvements BotW made, while bringing back classic Zelda staples, that could be a game that really changes my tune about 3D Zelda. A point against Mario is that it's kind of bland when compared to Zelda. It's just mindless platforming, with no depth/story/etc. As much as I love me some platforming, it's hard to rank a bunch of platformers over full-length adventures. So I have to go with Zelda here, even if I've mostly lost interest in the 3D titles for now.


Top 3 Zelda Games

1) Link's Awakening
2) Oracle of Seasons
3) A Link Between Worlds


Top 3 Mario Games

I really hate to rank the 2D and 3D Mario games together, but if I have to...

1) Super Mario Bros. 3
2) Super Mario Odyssey
3) Super Mario 3D World


Zelda II vs Mario 2

Zelda II

I enjoyed Mario 2 a fair amount as a kit, but not as much as SMB1/SMB3/SMW. The older I got, the less I cared to go back to it. Now, I can't even remember the last time I played it. The game has an overall weird feel to it that I can't fully explain, but I don't like it. Zelda II is tough, and very different from the other Zelda games, but it's still really good.


A Link to the Past vs Super Mario World

Super Mario World

I love ALttP and considered it the best Zelda game for a long time, but as I've replayed the Zelda games in my adult years it's dropped in my personal ranking considerably. I still think it's a great game, I just think that many of the subsequent 2D Zelda games do things better than it. Super Mario World, however, is near perfection.


Ocarina of Time vs Super Mario 64

Ocarina of Time

This one was tough. As I mentioned, I've not really cared for the 3D Zelda games as much in my adult years. I've tried re-playing Ocarina of Time three different times now over the last few years, and each time I eventually got bored and quit. However, I haven't played Super Mario 64 since probably 2000. I loved it back then, but I fear if I play it now I'll find it's aged poorly. I'm pretty sure I'll have a lot of the same frustrations I had when I tried Sunshine recently. If my assumption is correct, then I have to put Ocarina of Time over it.

BloodPuppetX
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31-Jan-2018(#50)
I'm kinda surprised that so many prefer SMW over ALTTP (2-7, counting the opinion of lpeters). I can't really argue with SMW having the most replay value though, and it did introduce Yoshi, my go-to guy for almost every multiplayer Nintendo game in existence (that features Mario characters.)

Seeing Scott's post reminds that I forgot this matchup:

Legend of Zelda NES positive

Or

Super Mario Bros. NES negative

dustin11
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31-Jan-2018(#51)
Mario. I could never really figure Zelda out when I was younger and it had those moments of having to place a random bomb on a wall to progress through the game, which was lame. Anyone could pick up and play Mario.

DefaultGen
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31-Jan-2018(#52)
I've warmed up to TLOZ over the years (I used to think it had a little too much cryptic bullcrap), but I've always loved SMB and platformers in general so that gets my vote.

DiamondDave
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* 31-Jan-2018(#53)
I think Mario's had more consistently good titles across all its releases. I honestly can't think of anything other than Hotel Mario or the edutainment NES/SNES titles where I was like "This is just bad."

Still voted Zelda because Zelda 2's the crap and Zelda has a localized Picross
BloodPuppetX
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1-Feb-2018(#54)
Never played Mario's Picross, @DiamondDave? It's actually better than the Zelda TP one.

benstylus
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* 1-Feb-2018(#55)
We got Zelda Picross, but there are enough Zelda characters and locations to make all the Zelda spinoffs. How come we haven't gotten any of these amazing ideas yet?

Zelda Party
Zelda Golf/Tennis/Baseball/Sports
Zelda vs Link: March of the Minis
Dr. Zelda
Zelda Kart
Paper Zelda
Midna's Mansion
Zelda & Kazuma Kiryu the 20xx Olympic Games
Epona's Island
Super Princess Zelda

And of course the one I would buy in a heartbeat... Yakuman Zelda edition

DiamondDave
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1-Feb-2018(#56)
BloodPuppetX wrote:
> Never played Mario's Picross, @DiamondDave? It's actually better than the Zelda TP
> one.
>
>
SFC? Or was there a US one on some system
Heavyd814life
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1-Feb-2018(#57)
benstylus wrote:
> We got Zelda Picross, but there are enough Zelda characters and locations to make
> all the Zelda spinoffs. How come we haven't gotten any of these amazing ideas yet?
>
> Zelda Party
> Zelda Golf/Tennis/Baseball/Sports
> Zelda vs Link: March of the Minis
> Dr. Zelda
> Zelda Kart
> Paper Zelda
> Midna's Mansion
> Zelda & Kazuma Kiryu the 20xx Olympic Games
> Epona's Island
> Super Princess Zelda
>
> And of course the one I would buy in a heartbeat... Yakuman Zelda edition
>
>

Day 1 purchase!

BloodPuppetX
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1-Feb-2018(#58)
DiamondDave wrote:
> BloodPuppetX wrote:
>> Never played Mario's Picross, @DiamondDave? It's actually better than the Zelda
> TP
>> one.
>>
>>
> SFC? Or was there a US one on some system

It was released on the original Game Boy. It's also in the eshop on 3DS. It's really good.


Scott
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1-Feb-2018(#59)
Legend of Zelda NES vs Super Mario Bros. NES

Gotta go with Zelda here. It's such a more in-depth and complicated game than SMB1. I still can't believe it came out when it did. It holds up surprisingly well today, having a unique style and charm to it that no other Zelda game has matched. SMB1, however, does not hold up well with it's extremely basic gameplay and awful controls.

DiamondDave
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1-Feb-2018(#60)
I haven't beaten LoZ but I'd probably give it the nod. The cryptic bits make it difficult to go through unguided but it's much more interesting with more game to explore, which is diggable
Admiral
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1-Feb-2018(#61)
Scott wrote:
@Scott

> Top 3 Zelda Games
>
> 1) Link's Awakening
> 2) Oracle of Seasons
> 3) A Link Between Worlds
>

yes So much love for the 2D Zeldas. Gotta admit, I like OoT, really like BotW, kinda like WW....but man, 2D Zelda is WHERE IT'S AT. Oracle of Seasons not making the cut for you though?

>
> Top 3 Mario Games
>
> I really hate to rank the 2D and 3D Mario games together, but if I have to...
>
> 1) Super Mario Bros. 3
> 2) Super Mario Odyssey
> 3) Super Mario 3D World
>

You said below Super Mario World is near perfection!!! That says alot about Odyssey and 3D World yes


> Ocarina of Time vs Super Mario 64
> I haven't played Super Mario 64 since probably 2000. I loved it back then,
> but I fear if I play it now I'll find it's aged poorly. I'm pretty sure I'll have
> a lot of the same frustrations I had when I tried Sunshine recently.

You would be correct about Mario 64. It HAS aged poorly. 3D platforming in general wasn't really good in that era wry smile and Mario 64 isn't much different sadly.
dustin11
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* 1-Feb-2018(#62)
Admiral wrote:

> You would be correct about Mario 64. It HAS aged poorly. 3D platforming in general
> wasn't really good in that era wry smile and Mario 64 isn't much different sadly.

64 is still okay, just a pretty bad camera impacts the gameplay. And Banjo Kazooie is still a very good game as is Conker's (if that's considered a "platformer"), so there are still some platformers from that era that have aged nicely.
DiamondDave
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1-Feb-2018(#63)
Link's Awakening is still best imo.
DefaultGen
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1-Feb-2018(#64)
Admiral wrote:
> You would be correct about Mario 64. It HAS aged poorly. 3D platforming in general
> wasn't really good in that era wry smile and Mario 64 isn't much different sadly.

Top Mario Games:
1. SM64
2. SMB3
3. SMW

Top Zeldas:
1. OOT
2. ALTTP
3. BOTW

You traded Keio for N64 games and you still can't appreciate one of the few games N64 games that's still great in its genre frown

Admiral
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1-Feb-2018(#65)
DefaultGen wrote:

> Top Mario Games:
> 1. SM64
> 2. SMB3
> 3. SMW
>

Oh good lord!!! Mario 64 isn't even in the top 10 anymore raspberry


> You traded Keio for N64 games and you still can't appreciate one of the few games
> N64 games that's still great in its genre frown
>

You sonuva.....
Admiral
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1-Feb-2018(#66)
Speaking of, here is an interesting list from Polygon about Mario games...(No way in hell I agree with #1, or Mario Land 2 being better than Mario 2 NES - but overall not a terrible list)...

https://www.polygon.com/features/2017/11/8/1662174...
dustin11
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1-Feb-2018(#67)
You know your list is stacked with good games when SMW end up at #6.

I always really enjoyed 6 Golden Coins. Kind of feels like the "Link to the Past" of Mario games in that its a very solid game but never really comes up in the discussion in its own franchise.
Admiral
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1-Feb-2018(#68)
dustin11 wrote:
> You know your list is stacked with good games when SMW end up at #6.
>
> I always really enjoyed 6 Golden Coins.

I didn't dislike it, but I really do like Mario 2. Mario games on the old GB didn't really "feel" like Mario games. They had much different jumping physics and stuff.

> Kind of feels like the "Link to the Past" of Mario games in that its a very solid game but never really comes up in the discussion in its own franchise.

Wait wait wait....Link to the Past???? It's merely "solid" and it doesn't come up in discussions about Zelda games? raspberry You lost me.
dustin11
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1-Feb-2018(#69)
Admiral wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> You know your list is stacked with good games when SMW end up at #6.
>>
>> I always really enjoyed 6 Golden Coins.
>
> I didn't dislike it, but I really do like Mario 2. Mario games on the old GB didn't
> really "feel" like Mario games. They had much different jumping physics and stuff.
>
>> Kind of feels like the "Link to the Past" of Mario games in that its a very solid
> game but never really comes up in the discussion in its own franchise.
>
> Wait wait wait....Link to the Past???? It's merely "solid" and it doesn't come up
> in discussions about Zelda games? raspberry You lost me.

Whoops, I meant Link's Awakening.
Admiral
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1-Feb-2018(#70)
dustin11 wrote:
> Admiral wrote:
>> dustin11 wrote:
> |>> You know your list is stacked with good games when SMW end up at #6.
> |>>
> |>> I always really enjoyed 6 Golden Coins.
>>
>> I didn't dislike it, but I really do like Mario 2. Mario games on the old GB didn't
>> really "feel" like Mario games. They had much different jumping physics and stuff.
>>
> |>> Kind of feels like the "Link to the Past" of Mario games in that its a very solid
>> game but never really comes up in the discussion in its own franchise.
>>
>> Wait wait wait....Link to the Past???? It's merely "solid" and it doesn't come
> up
>> in discussions about Zelda games? raspberry You lost me.
>
> Whoops, I meant Link's Awakening.

Ah, yes...Link's Awakening doesn't come up as much as it should. But we can disagree on how solid LA is - I think it's phenomenal.
dustin11
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1-Feb-2018(#71)
I thought it was a fantastic game. I have probably beaten that Zelda game more than any other in the franchise.
Admiral
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1-Feb-2018(#72)
yes
BloodPuppetX
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1-Feb-2018(#73)
dustin11 wrote:
> I thought it was a fantastic game. I have probably beaten that Zelda game more than
> any other in the franchise.

Link's Awakening is the one I've played the most from start to finish as well. I always try to remember my first time playing a game when I rank them. If I put more emphasis on replay value like others do, or made a list of Zelda games that I would rather play now, then LA would be in my top 3 instead of OoT.


BloodPuppetX
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1-Feb-2018(#74)
Link's Awakening positive

Or

Super Mario Bros. 3 negative

Battle of @Scott's favorites

dustin11
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1-Feb-2018(#75)
I honestly can't give an answer to this one. Well played.

I think Mario 3 was the more important game just because it set the ground work for every 2D Mario game that has come after it. Which one did I enjoy more? I don't think I have an answer to that.
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* 1-Feb-2018(#76)
ALttP & SMW for me. The difference between SMW and SMB3 for me is like .01.
KCPenguins
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1-Feb-2018(#77)
My biggest gripe with the LoZ is the lack of a diagonal control. Up, down, left, right.

Voted Mario 3. LA is stellar though (beat it twice), especially considering GB. But Mario 3 is legendary to those of us who grew up in that time. Seriously dominated playground/ lunch room discussions across so many grades, and the Wizard.
Gypsy
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1-Feb-2018(#78)
DefaultGen wrote:
> Admiral wrote:
>> You would be correct about Mario 64. It HAS aged poorly. 3D platforming in general
>> wasn't really good in that era wry smile and Mario 64 isn't much different sadly.
>
> Top Mario Games:
> 1. SM64
> 2. SMB3
> 3. SMW
>
> Top Zeldas:
> 1. OOT
> 1. ALTTP
> 2. BOTW
> 3. Some other Zelda game
>
> You traded Keio for N64 games and you still can't appreciate one of the few games
> N64 games that's still great in its genre frown
>
>

List is perfect now.
DefaultGen
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1-Feb-2018(#79)
Gypsy wrote:
> DefaultGen wrote:
>> Admiral wrote:
> |>> You would be correct about Mario 64. It HAS aged poorly. 3D platforming in general
> |>> wasn't really good in that era wry smile and Mario 64 isn't much different sadly.
>>
>> Top Mario Games:
>> 1. SM64
>> 2. SMB3
>> 3. SMW
>>
>> Top Zeldas:
>> 1. OOT
>> 1. ALTTP
>> 2. BOTW
>> 3. Some other Zelda game
>>
>> You traded Keio for N64 games and you still can't appreciate one of the few games
>> N64 games that's still great in its genre frown
>>
>>
>
> List is perfect now.

3. Neutopia

BloodPuppetX
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2-Feb-2018(#80)
Ganondorf positive

Or

Bowser negative

Who's the best villain? I'm going to have to think about this one...

BloodPuppetX
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2-Feb-2018(#81)
After that turtle shell that just knocked me out of 1st place in MK 8, I vote Bowser.

A Link Between Worlds positive

Or

Super Mario 3D Land negative

3DS Battle

Topic   Zelda vs. Mario