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Topic   Gather Around -- Google Has Entered the Game Industry

Boss
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* 12-Mar-2019(#1)
Teaser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJclcGp8K_4

Join us March 19, 2019 10AM PDT live at https://g.co/gdcreveal19 as we unveil Google's vision for the future of gaming.

Livestream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUih5C5rOrA

whitefire
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12-Mar-2019(#2)
Isn't it just going to be that web browser stuff?

Boss
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12-Mar-2019(#3)
whitefire wrote:
> Isn't it just going to be that web browser stuff?
>
>

Most don't think so since they filed patents for a controller. So the speculation they will have a Game Streaming box with some type of service (buy as you go or subscription based is yet to be seen). http://www.ilounge.com/news/google-patents-their-v...
DefaultGen
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12-Mar-2019(#4)
I guess it will be interesting to see what it is, but it's going to be competing on price not quality so probably not really aimed at enthusiasts who talk about games all day. A streaming service can't compete with an HDMI cable, no matter how good your internet or how low the latency, so either the hardware has to be cheap or it's gotta offer a subscription with a ton of games (OnLive but better?)

tonymack21
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* 12-Mar-2019(#5)
that's what im thinking, something like OnLive but maybe better.

maybe some kind of little box with a controller where you stream mid level steam type games and games from the android store?

DefaultGen
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12-Mar-2019(#6)
tonymack21 wrote:
> maybe some kind of little box with a controller where you stream mid level steam
> type games and games from the android store?

Another Ouya/Shield/Fire TV thing would be such a fart if that's all they announce.

Admiral
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12-Mar-2019(#7)
Yeah if it only plays current Android games, I'd be disappointed. BUT, if the Nvidia Shield library (and also the switch library) is any indication of what Android hardware can do, I think could be in for a real treat with Google behind it full force. I'm super curious...
tonymack21
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12-Mar-2019(#8)
ya I wonder if its gonna be more powerful hardware wise than a shield and how easy it will be to mod and add additional things too. could be interesting.

I kinda hope its not a full fledged console, theres enough to keep up with the big three and pc, and unless sega was still in the game I don't really want anything else.

Frank
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12-Mar-2019(#9)
I'm hoping it's them attempting to become the next big console manufacturer like Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. I'm setting my expectations low though, and expect it to be a simple streaming box, or PC streaming service with their own designated controller.

If it does end up just being a PC streamin service, they better not require their controller be used over an XB1, DS4, or Keyboard Mouse combo. Especially if the design is as bad as the fake leak, that will alienate the market.

dustin11
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12-Mar-2019(#10)
Probably just a streaming console. I think that controller patent ended up being fake.
Frank
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12-Mar-2019(#11)
That specific one did. Doesn't mean they still won't make their own controller. I hope not.

dustin11
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12-Mar-2019(#12)
They probably will, and I'm guessing it will be some knockoff of either the Switch's Pro controller or the X1 controller. At this point the controller is so refined that there isn't much else they can do.
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12-Mar-2019(#13)
Its probably mobile bullcrap for their phones.
Heavyd814life
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12-Mar-2019(#14)
Well they just hired Jade Raymond to be the VP. I'm guessing she'll be the VP of some sort of gaming division or something. She's pretty legit. If Google is really going to get in on the action I can see them poaching a ton of talent.

I personally have no interest in streaming games so I'm out if that's their play and I honestly don't really know how open I am to spending $300+ on another gaming console to go along with my Switch and PS4. But this news has piqued my interest. Let's see what they have up their sleeves.

tonymack21
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12-Mar-2019(#15)
i didnt realize Jade Raymond had joined on this, thats some serious credibility.. now im more interested to see what it is.

Finn
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13-Mar-2019(#16)
I would totally get behind Google!





ryanflucas
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13-Mar-2019(#17)
It's a streaming service with a controller. No hardware.


Admiral
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13-Mar-2019(#18)
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
dustin11
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* 13-Mar-2019(#19)
Yeah, I don't see them having a machine with local hardware to match the X1X right now and having it be a competent machine. Its way too expensive to enter the console market, especially at a time in which this gen is starting to come to an end with more powerful stuff releasing in about ~18 months. This thing is most likely a streaming machine.
klusion
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13-Mar-2019(#20)
bleh

Scott
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13-Mar-2019(#21)
Pass

Admiral
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13-Mar-2019(#22)
I'd be super satisfied if it was near switch level of hardware, only without the screen and portability. It's been proven these systems can pump out pretty good 3D stuff and really great 2D stuff when done right.

It could end up being LOADED with indy titles and Android stuff, PC ports, etc.

When thinking about it though - streaming wouldn't be too bad...although we all know the complaints about buying digital software, etc.
longhornsk57
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13-Mar-2019(#23)
Ya this is probably going to be a hard pass. I am pretty much all in on the Sony / Nintendo combo from here on out..
dustin11
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13-Mar-2019(#24)
If they're just jumping on the whole streaming thing then I won't be interested either since XCloud will probably be better seeing as how MS has a much larger server infrastructure than Google does.
ryanflucas
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13-Mar-2019(#25)
November to early January 2019 they had a beta test of Assassin's Creed Odyssey that streamed entirely via browser. I doubt they yanked a console out to complement the streaming service. At the very most they might have a roku style device that runs custom android os so people without a entertainment device can buy one cheap. It's still streaming though.

whitefire
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* 13-Mar-2019(#26)
Let's face it: Google (Alphabet, Inc.) is a fudging beast. They could easily overthrow all 3 of these companies if they so choose to invest the resources. They have nearly limitless technologial power in the industry (even moreso than MS, who minimally invests in gaming). I don't think they'll make that kind of business decision, but the point is, they could do anything they want to.

The main reason I think it's going to be a streaming box with a focus on the service is because that's the future for average consumers, and there aren't any right now that have all of the big games. Google will change that. I see them being Roku (or fire stick, apple tv, etc.) and Netflix rolled into one. I see a $150-200 price tag for the hardware (if there is hardware) and a starting price tag of $15-30/mo (depending on what tier you choose) for the service.

Side note: why aren't there more expensive tiers for more content with other services? For instance, I'd pay $50/mo for Netflix to have access to virtually every movie/TV show ever released digitally. One the one hand, Netflix, Hulu, and AP (to a much less extent AP) all have HUGE libraries, but compared to all available content, they're tiny.

If Disney does well with their service, I wonder if other big companies would follow suit and try to push their content separately. That would destory Netflix. They have a ton of original content, but let's face it, without all of their unoriginal content, I don't think they'd make it. They don't have a lot of shows (Stranger Things comes to mind) that I feel like people would pay for the service just to watch that. Then again, HBO costs about the same as Netflix, so who knows. Sorry for the off-topic rant.

ryanflucas
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13-Mar-2019(#27)
A company built around cloud computing is unlikely to make a service that depends on hardware.

longhornsk57
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13-Mar-2019(#28)
MS is worth more than Google so I'm not sure they could "overthrow" much. Sony is king of consoles and Nintendo is going strong.
tonymack21
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14-Mar-2019(#29)
microsoft could buy sony and nintendo today with the change in the cupholder of bill gates' car and not bat an eye. he alone is worth more than both combined. they could end it all any time they wanted. i dont think google could overthrow ms, no company in the world can likely do that, but even MS would pay attention depending on what google is doing they are not a small company and definitely dont lack resources.

dustin11
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14-Mar-2019(#30)
Google's server infrastructure isn't as big and MS just filled their server blades with Xbox hardware it get ready for XCloud. I wouldn't say that Goggle could
whipe the floor with the big 3 seeing as how Google isn't established in gaming whatsoever and would be going up against 3 juggernaut companies who's game divisions each brought in 11 figures last year.
ryanflucas
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14-Mar-2019(#31)
Google could implement widespread changes that would change the internet as we know it, but not enough to cripple competition.

What's far fetched but more plausible is Warren getting in and splitting up companies. Microsoft and Microsoft Gaming split up. Google tries to acquire Microsoft Gaming. Everyone approves except the SEC and it fails.

Admiral
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* 14-Mar-2019(#32)
I dunno guys...this Ars Technica writer believes it's going to be hardware of some type...and provides some convincing arguments for it. Maybe still streaming games, but possibly a higher powered Chromecast / Android TV device, ala Shield (boneriffic)?

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/03/all-signs-...

And also this one...

https://www.geek.com/games/google-is-probably-maki...
dustin11
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14-Mar-2019(#33)
Making a console would be interesting and that's mostly because of the crazy amount of R&D costs just to either break even or make $5/console sold. I think I remember seeing that the costs associated with making a console is in the billions. This isn't cell phone territory where you can sell your hardware for $900 and make tons of profit then make a new one next year, you're making a very powerful console and selling it for $500 max, and that's got to come with a controller and everything. Companies primarily make their profit with software so it will be interesting to see what Google could come up with and if it would create its own studios or start buying up developers to make exclusive content. If they just throw a console into the market and hope for the best then they'll just end up with a steambox type failure.
Heavyd814life
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14-Mar-2019(#34)
Looks like both Ubisoft and id Software (DOOM peeps) will be at Google's keynote

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dualshockers.com/...

Admiral
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14-Mar-2019(#35)
I could see it being their streaming service tied to their streaming box...kinda like an Onlive or Steambox, but with Google's $$$ and backing.
Boss
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14-Mar-2019(#36)
My thinking is:

Google Streambox $99 (sell at a loss to gain market share)
Google Subscription Service for Games:
Silver Plan with Resolution up to 1080p: $9.95 a month
Gold Plan with Resolution up to 4k: $14.95
DefaultGen
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14-Mar-2019(#37)
Heavyd814life wrote:
> Looks like both Ubisoft and id Software (DOOM peeps) will be at Google's keynote
>
>
>

Sweet we're going to see some games we probably played a year or two ago. I'm ready to have my socks knocked off now.

Mexico
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14-Mar-2019(#38)
Probably an updated nexus player that ties in android tv and able to stream games.
Best1989
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14-Mar-2019(#39)
N-gage 3.0, baby!
Heavyd814life
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* 14-Mar-2019(#40)
Now they are saying Amy Hennig and Crystal Dynamics will be at the event. It's like they tease something new every day. Very interesting...

https://www.resetera.com/threads/amy-hennig-and-cr...

dustin11
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14-Mar-2019(#41)
Sounds like a bunch of 3rd party multiplats are going to be shown running on their streaming service. They'll have SotTR, Assassin's Creed, and Doom.
Heavyd814life
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14-Mar-2019(#42)
dustin11 wrote:
> Sounds like a bunch of 3rd party multiplats are going to be shown running on their
> streaming service. They'll have SotTR, Assassin's Creed, and Doom.

Yeah, that seems to be the general consensus. Amy Hennig's inclusion is what I find interesting. She's not attached to any studios or projects at the minute, but she did get her start at Crystal Dynamics. Maybe she's headed back there to work on something new or maybe Google has managed to bring her into the fold.

dustin11
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14-Mar-2019(#43)
Heavyd814life wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> Sounds like a bunch of 3rd party multiplats are going to be shown running on their
>> streaming service. They'll have SotTR, Assassin's Creed, and Doom.
>
> Yeah, that seems to be the general consensus. Amy Hennig's inclusion is what I find
> interesting. She's not attached to any studios or projects at the minute, but she
> did get her start at Crystal Dynamics. Maybe she's headed back there to work on something
> new or maybe Google has managed to bring her into the fold.
>
>

That would be interesting because shes also been pretty vocally against AAA gaming recently and has been saying that it isn't a sustainable method any longer. I could maybe see her possibly saying that shes either joining Google to work on something just for that platform or that shes working on a smaller indie game and then it would be shown off during the conference. Seeing as how shes not attached to any one company right now then the former is probably the most likely.

They definitely have a lot of weird cryptic stuff going on with their GDC announcements right now though.
Finn
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14-Mar-2019(#44)
dustin11 wrote:
> Yeah, I don't see them having a machine with local hardware to match the X1X right
> now and having it be a competent machine. Its way too expensive to enter the console
> market, especially at a time in which this gen is starting to come to an end with
> more powerful stuff releasing in about ~18 months. This thing is most likely a streaming
> machine.


Who's to say they have not been working on something for a few years? Google is also not shy when it comes to spending the mountains of cash they have. That's one thing I love about them... They are not afraid.


dustin11
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14-Mar-2019(#45)
Finn wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> Yeah, I don't see them having a machine with local hardware to match the X1X right
>> now and having it be a competent machine. Its way too expensive to enter the console
>> market, especially at a time in which this gen is starting to come to an end with
>> more powerful stuff releasing in about ~18 months. This thing is most likely a
> streaming
>> machine.
>
>
> Who's to say they have not been working on something for a few years? Google is also
> not shy when it comes to spending the mountains of cash they have. That's one thing
> I love about them... They are not afraid.
>
>
>

Then their timing is trash seeing as how new consoles will be out soon and MS is heavily rumored to reveal more info about next gen in 3 months at E3. They've also been beta testing all that cloud stuff recently and not a single rumor (that I've seen) has been said about them building a physical console to compete with MS and Sony. Plus, do we really need a 3rd traditional home console?
ryanflucas
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14-Mar-2019(#46)
I'm sure there's new hardware coming but on the server side rendering these games and prioritizing the data packets streaming out to us.

Frank
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14-Mar-2019(#47)
I'm strangely excited to see what google has to announce.

tonymack21
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14-Mar-2019(#48)
Just saw a new rumor that suggests this is a venture with Sega.. but I really don't know about that.

Finn
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14-Mar-2019(#49)
dustin11 wrote:
> Finn wrote:
>> dustin11 wrote:
> |>> Yeah, I don't see them having a machine with local hardware to match the X1X
> right
> |>> now and having it be a competent machine. Its way too expensive to enter the
> console
> |>> market, especially at a time in which this gen is starting to come to an end
> with
> |>> more powerful stuff releasing in about ~18 months. This thing is most likely
> a
>> streaming
> |>> machine.
>>
>>
>> Who's to say they have not been working on something for a few years? Google is
> also
>> not shy when it comes to spending the mountains of cash they have. That's one
> thing
>> I love about them... They are not afraid.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then their timing is trash seeing as how new consoles will be out soon and MS is
> heavily rumored to reveal more info about next gen in 3 months at E3. They've also
> been beta testing all that cloud stuff recently and not a single rumor (that I've
> seen) has been said about them building a physical console to compete with MS and
> Sony. Plus, do we really need a 3rd traditional home console?


Sure why not? Google does not need alot of time to create hype. I am hyped already to see what they are going to do! If it's a traditional console I will buy it. I love Google they are imo the best tech company on the planet not so much because if what they do but what they do when it comes to fostering inovation and startups. They are number one in that area, so they will earn my money with a traditional console and maybe a streaming service.




dustin11
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14-Mar-2019(#50)
Finn wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> Finn wrote:
> |>> dustin11 wrote:
>> |>> Yeah, I don't see them having a machine with local hardware to match the X1X
>> right
>> |>> now and having it be a competent machine. Its way too expensive to enter the
>> console
>> |>> market, especially at a time in which this gen is starting to come to an end
>> with
>> |>> more powerful stuff releasing in about ~18 months. This thing is most likely
>> a
> |>> streaming
>> |>> machine.
> |>>
> |>>
> |>> Who's to say they have not been working on something for a few years? Google
> is
>> also
> |>> not shy when it comes to spending the mountains of cash they have. That's one
>> thing
> |>> I love about them... They are not afraid.
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>
>>
>> Then their timing is trash seeing as how new consoles will be out soon and MS
> is
>> heavily rumored to reveal more info about next gen in 3 months at E3. They've
> also
>> been beta testing all that cloud stuff recently and not a single rumor (that I've
>> seen) has been said about them building a physical console to compete with MS
> and
>> Sony. Plus, do we really need a 3rd traditional home console?
>
>
> Sure why not? Google does not need alot of time to create hype. I am hyped already
> to see what they are going to do! If it's a traditional console I will buy it. I
> love Google they are imo the best tech company on the planet not so much because
> if what they do but what they do when it comes to fostering inovation and startups.
> They are number one in that area, so they will earn my money with a traditional
> console and maybe a streaming service.
>
>
>
>
>

Would you throw down $500-600 for something that only plays multiplats?
Finn
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15-Mar-2019(#51)
Who is to say it will? Who's to say Google does not through money around and buys exclusives or again has projects in the works... Google does pretty good when it comes to hiding or misdirecting. We will soon find out I suppose. Either way I think Google will be good for gaming.





ryanflucas
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15-Mar-2019(#52)
Maybe Apple gave them the Pippin.

dustin11
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15-Mar-2019(#53)
I don't' have much interest in this thing whatever it is. Either its a streaming console and I'm not interested or its physical hardware and I'm still not interested. I already don't have time to play through my X1 & Switch backlog and adding another console will do no good. I'm also pretty sure I've never bought a Google product in my life and I don't see that changing any time soon. Still though, will be interesting to see what this ends up being. If it is streaming then that will definitely make things interesting next gen with MS and Google being really the only 2 in town who will be able to offer streaming world wide on any kind of decent level and it could rapidly change the landscape of gaming.
Admiral
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15-Mar-2019(#54)
Crystal Dynamics eh???

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dustin11
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15-Mar-2019(#55)
I remember all the hype the Ouya had, even many on here were saying it was going to be huge and they were definitely getting one. We all know how that turned out.
Admiral
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15-Mar-2019(#56)
dustin11 wrote:

> I'm also pretty sure I've never bought a Google product in my life

This is impressive.


> If it is streaming then that will definitely make
> things interesting next gen

Good point. Perhaps this won't be the world beater console, but it could definitely change the way online/streaming is done for home consoles.

I'm still super concerned about going all digital though. I mean, maybe I'm being scrooge here - but I like for many of the things I buy to have value over time, even if it's a portion of the amount I paid for it. I do sell things I don't use anymore, so an all digital/streaming model better come with more incentives than just convenience IMO.
dustin11
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15-Mar-2019(#57)
Admiral wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>
>> I'm also pretty sure I've never bought a Google product in my life
>
> This is impressive.

I have no Android devices, or Nest, or Chromecast, or those cheap little Chrome computers......I can't really think of what else they make. I've always thought of Google stuff as cheap disposable products, kind of like Amazon's hardware.

>> If it is streaming then that will definitely make
>> things interesting next gen
>
> Good point. Perhaps this won't be the world beater console, but it could definitely
> change the way online/streaming is done for home consoles.
>
> I'm still super concerned about going all digital though. I mean, maybe I'm being
> scrooge here - but I like for many of the things I buy to have value over time, even
> if it's a portion of the amount I paid for it. I do sell things I don't use anymore,
> so an all digital/streaming model better come with more incentives than just convenience
> IMO.

I think the most interesting part about it would be if streaming became the primary method of gaming in the future really only Google, Amazon, and MS are setup to facilitate that. Both Sony and Nintendo would be left behind because even Sony's server infrastructure isn't capable of facilitating all their customer's gaming needs. For example, MS has server farms in 52 regions, each server costs $1 billion, and each region has 2 server farms. That's about $104 billion worth of just servers which is almost twice Sony's net worth and over 3x Nintendo's net worth so neither of them could build up to compete and would be left behind or in a situation where they're renting servers from one of the new big 3. Traditional consoles will go away in the future, its just a question of when....and Google may be accelerating that with what they show at GDC.
Shawn
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* 15-Mar-2019(#58)
No streaming only. Want to trade or re-sell games and be able to physically hold and look at them. Do not want to pay for same digital game/content each gen (damn you pinball arcade).
dustin11
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* 15-Mar-2019(#59)
I'm with you 100%, I don't like buying games digital and the thought of an all digital future is something I really hate to think about. The problem is that I know this is where the industry is inevitably heading all though its likely we'll get at least 1 more gen of traditional consoles. I love physical media and having my collection on full display in my game room.
Admiral
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15-Mar-2019(#60)
Yep, ditto on all counts.
dustin11
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15-Mar-2019(#61)
I'm hearing more rumors about a Google/Sega collaboration to bring DC games to this thing. Right now some of the games being talked about are JSR remaster/reboot and Chu Chu Rocket. If so then count me in because this is something I've wanted to happen for years now.
Frank
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15-Mar-2019(#62)
Admiral wrote:
> Crystal Dynamics eh???
>
> 360{imgt}

Man, I'd love to see Gex return in some form. Even if it was an HD remaster of some kind.
Admiral
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15-Mar-2019(#63)
I played and finished it on 3DO when I had my 3DO FZ-1 CIB and 45+ CIB game collection that I screwed up and traded for a Saturn system only dead face
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16-Mar-2019(#64)
Frank wrote:
> Admiral wrote:
>> Crystal Dynamics eh???
>>
> 640
>> 360{imgt}
>
> Man, I'd love to see Gex return in some form. Even if it was an HD remaster of some
> kind.
Yes, please. Though if the new Tomb Raider is any indication, it'll be a gritty reboot where a photo-realistic gecko humanoid gets raped by a bunch of TV executives.
Finn
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17-Mar-2019(#65)
dustin11 wrote:
> I'm hearing more rumors about a Google/Sega collaboration to bring DC games to this
> thing. Right now some of the games being talked about are JSR remaster/reboot and
> Chu Chu Rocket. If so then count me in because this is something I've wanted to happen
> for years now.


Don't be worried about hardware, the pixel books are amazing prices of hardware right there with the Surface Books. I am contemplating getting one there is also a rumor that they may make them dual boot. You may not like them but the Chromecast and Google home line are all well made and quality hardware, my wife has been using the Pixel phones for 2 years (switched over from Apple) and they are fantastic.


The Sega library would be awesome, I want to play that Diablo type game again (I always forget the damn name)! I have very fond memories of chu chu rocket! Also Virtua Tennis, that game was not nearly as good on other consoles.







dustin11
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17-Mar-2019(#66)
Diablo type game....hmmm....you talking about Silver? That was an isometric game but not a looter. I can't think of anything else it could be.
Finn
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17-Mar-2019(#67)
Record of Lodoss War, just came back to me. I loved that game.



dustin11
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17-Mar-2019(#68)
Oh, I never played that game but I was thinking it was either Silver or Gauntlet. The rumor I was reading was talking specifically about forgotten Sega 1st party IPs, so we may be pretty limited with whats offered, if anything, but it would still be cool to get to play then in some form other than emulation. Still, I would rather have them on the X1 for achievements and so I wouldn't have to buy a new machine. We'll just have to see whats offered.

I never heard of the Pixelbook so I went and looked it up and it looks as though its more comparable to a Surface Pro GO or an iPad on account of it running a mobile OS and is meant more for media consumption rather than real work. Specs aren't too impressive either as the GPU is an HD615 which is super weak to where the Surface Book maxes out with a GTX 1060. (https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1...)
Finn
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17-Mar-2019(#69)
dustin11 wrote:
> Oh, I never played that game but I was thinking it was either Silver or Gauntlet.
> The rumor I was reading was talking specifically about forgotten Sega 1st party IPs,
> so we may be pretty limited with whats offered, if anything, but it would still be
> cool to get to play then in some form other than emulation. Still, I would rather
> have them on the X1 for achievements and so I wouldn't have to buy a new machine.
> We'll just have to see whats offered.
>
> I never heard of the Pixelbook so I went and looked it up and it looks as though
> its more comparable to a Surface Pro GO or an iPad on account of it running a mobile
> OS and is meant more for media consumption rather than real work. Specs aren't too
> impressive either as the GPU is an HD615 which is super weak to where the Surface
> Book maxes out with a GTX 1060. (https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1...)



Depends on the specs, you get get them with a wide range of "i" series CPU's that would be great for much more then media consumption of media... If you wanted to do that then go buy a toy like an iPad or some android tablet IMO would be far cheaper. Would be great for someone who needs to get work done and does not want to be forced to use horrible iOS and Android versions of desktop apps. Of course when dual boot becomes a thing. The. Again the build quality is right there with anything else.


dustin11
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17-Mar-2019(#70)
Finn wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> Oh, I never played that game but I was thinking it was either Silver or Gauntlet.
>> The rumor I was reading was talking specifically about forgotten Sega 1st party
> IPs,
>> so we may be pretty limited with whats offered, if anything, but it would still
> be
>> cool to get to play then in some form other than emulation. Still, I would rather
>> have them on the X1 for achievements and so I wouldn't have to buy a new machine.
>> We'll just have to see whats offered.
>>
>> I never heard of the Pixelbook so I went and looked it up and it looks as though
>> its more comparable to a Surface Pro GO or an iPad on account of it running a
> mobile
>> OS and is meant more for media consumption rather than real work. Specs aren't
> too
>> impressive either as the GPU is an HD615 which is super weak to where the Surface
>> Book maxes out with a GTX 1060. (https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1...)
>
>
>
> Depends on the specs, you get get them with a wide range of "i" series CPU's that
> would be great for much more then media consumption of media... If you wanted to
> do that then go buy a toy like an iPad or some android tablet IMO would be far cheaper.
> Would be great for someone who needs to get work done and does not want to be forced
> to use horrible iOS and Android versions of desktop apps. Of course when dual boot
> becomes a thing. The. Again the build quality is right there with anything else.
>
>
>
>

The Pixelbook is a generation behind the current Surface lineup so it has slower internals than almost every model. For its price range its okay, but then again, having to use the Chrome OS would probably be a deal breaker for most, especially since its considerably far behind Windows 10 in desktop app support. Regardless, I've not seen anything that Google has made that makes me thing "yeah, this thing can probably totally one up the X1X on the hardware side". I don't even think I'm too confident that it could one up the PS4 Pro and keep the price anywhere in the same ball park, which is I'm thinking this is a streaming box kind of thing with possibly some form of low level local play.
dustin11
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19-Mar-2019(#71)
Should find out what exactly this thing is here in about an hour. Really curious to see what they've got planned.
Boss
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19-Mar-2019(#73)
Stadia
Archer
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19-Mar-2019(#74)
This sounds awful so far.
dustin11
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19-Mar-2019(#75)
Hate to say I told you so about it being streaming, but.......

This thing looks really stupid. Its like the social media of video games.
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19-Mar-2019(#76)
I have zero interest in any of this.
dustin11
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19-Mar-2019(#77)
I don't see myself ever using this.
dustin11
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19-Mar-2019(#78)
Controller looks terrible too. Symmetrical joysticks? Nope. Hard pass.
Boss
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19-Mar-2019(#79)
Doom Eternal 4k HDR 60fps
dustin11
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19-Mar-2019(#80)
I wonder how many simultaneous players it can handle before it ramps down the performance and resolution though, and what internet connection it requires to get that.
Boss
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19-Mar-2019(#81)
I want them to announce at the end...

Google Fios
Insane up/down speeds
At $20 / month

Available Continental USA

That will be an insane disruptor with this tech.
dustin11
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19-Mar-2019(#82)
Yeah that would be awesome. I'm sitting here thinking to myself: "my internet has to let youtube buffer most days at 720p, so no way this is something I could use". I wonder what the price of this thing is also and how game purchasing works.
tonymack21
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19-Mar-2019(#83)
I have gigabit and based on what I actually get most of the time I'd say this would be less than excellent for me too.

dustin11
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19-Mar-2019(#84)
This is easily the best looking streaming option right now but that's also not saying much. Yes, this is probably where we're headed eventually, but we're also probably about 10 years from being there. This just doesn't look very good overall and there are way too many unanswered questions. Looks like those rumors about Sega stuff being on the service haven't materialized either since they pretty much only showed 2 multiplats running on the service and a ton of last gen looking tech demos.
Finn
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19-Mar-2019(#85)
I will give it a shot... It supports PS4 and XB controllers also. I think many people underestimate Google. They have the money and infrastructure to pull this off. They have also been working on this for awhile.

Also, I never said it was hardware, I just did not eliminate it as an option. Streaming was always going to be involved. I have a really strong fibre connection, I have absolutely no issue streaming 4k content.. I can't remember the last time I experienced buffering issues.

I hope to see games I can't get on console though... That's mainly what I will use.




dustin11
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19-Mar-2019(#86)
I don't think that streaming 4k video is the same as streaming a 4k game at very low latency though and they made zero mention of internet speed requirements. My guess is because they're going to be far more than the average consume has access to. Instead they talked about all the available power. Well, available power means nothing if you don't have access to it. Next gen consoles are rumored to be more powerful than this thing, and I would much rather play a 12tf console locally than stream a 10.7tf game with potential latency issues and have to spend extra to upgrade my internet. Its good for the people who are down with this stuff, by as longa s we have physical consoles, count me out.
DefaultGen
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* 19-Mar-2019(#87)
At least it's neat there's no hardware component. It would be fun to see a Digital Foundry video tearing into it comparing native 4K, to Google streaming 4K, to upscaled 4K.

With Steam Link hardwired on your home network, you still get some minor compression artifacts and input lag at 1080p/60fps. It's a good enough experience, but it's not an HDMI cable. I'm skeptical that Google can beat that experience at 4K.

These are some Steam link input lag numbers, no internet involved. It may only be 9ms more Google's servers, but you still have to encode and decode video in addition to the network delay.
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dustin11
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19-Mar-2019(#88)
All because its "4k" doesn't mean that its running on high or even very good graphical settings either. It very well could be running on low. Plus youtube 4k video streaming isn't close to local 4k video, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is the same thing.
dustin11
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19-Mar-2019(#89)
Also LOL at their CEO's introduction. "Hi, I'm the CEO and I'm not a gamer". What the serious F.
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19-Mar-2019(#90)
I think he was just getting at the fact that this is for everyone and not just hardcore gamers. Most people who casually play games don't consider themselves gamers.

I agree though. The better approach I've seen before is when they basically try to make the term gamer more inclusive.

dustin11
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19-Mar-2019(#91)
I don't think he should have been up there to start the show off. This was Google's first impression they're making and it was pretty much: "Hi, I run Google and I don't' know anything about games because I don't have an interest in them". Just not a good way to start out IMO. Start the show off with a bunch of a video of various games (not only AC) being played then have a known person from the industry come up and say that everything they saw was being played directly from the Google service. Big missed opportunity when all they show throughout the whole thing was some janky looking tech demos and AC at 1080p.
ryanflucas
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19-Mar-2019(#92)
This is gonna succckkkkkkk

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* 19-Mar-2019(#93)
4K is the buzz thing these days, you aren't getting true 4k that can compare to local over streaming. watch a Netflix or youtube 4k then pop in a bluray.

confirmed in an update you need a chromecast to play on a tv. so no hardware required depends on what platform you plan to use.

works with other controllers apparently, as long as it can connect to your pc or chromecast, so pc should be fine and chromecast should work with Bluetooth controllers?

Jade Raymond will be heading up the first party studio, and will be making exclusive content. cross play will be a thing, probably not with playstation as usual I would guess.

they still haven't given specs on what kind of internet speed you need to get this seemless 60fps experience, but the test they did last year with AC odyssey needed at least 15 megabits I think It said with a latency under 40.

kotaku has a pretty long article about all that, it confirmed Harrison said yes need chromecast and hasn't revealed the needed net speed.

the optional controller connects via wifi to their server.. so even the controller is needing to talk to the server... I just cant imagine even with absolutely blazing internet that there isn't going to be severe lag and latency with inputs.


ive been thinking this model is the future, and MS is working on it and is supposed to be begin testing in the next year, but google seems to be going in on it now, I wonder if it will be a dreamcast idea and be just a little too ahead of its time.

some are already comparing it to what the xbox one wanted to be, online always required, no used games, people weren't ready, I still wonder if the masses are.

Frank
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19-Mar-2019(#94)
Disappointing conference, but I'm still excited to see the development of this concept, and it's functionality.

dustin11
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19-Mar-2019(#95)
Data caps are a problem too. ProjectStream at 1080p would eat about 16gb/hr. You play 10 hours a week and you're looking at around 650gb/month. You play for 63hr a month and you're over a 1tb/month cap. 4k would probably eat through a 1tb data cap in about 15-20 hours.
whitefire
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19-Mar-2019(#96)
Yeah, data caps need to die. They will kill cool stuff like this. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying what google showed right now is all that impressive, but what this represents is.

dustin11
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19-Mar-2019(#97)
Yeah, it will be cool to see where this tech ends up going in the future, but right now I think its just way too early to get on board with this, for me at least. Nothing can quite replace physical consoles and all the benefits that they provide.
DefaultGen
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* 19-Mar-2019(#98)
Wow, Digital Foundry already has a video up. They are the best. 10 frames of input lag in the demo (11:30) about 80ms slower than PC, but there's a bunch of caveats like it's using wifi, Google controls the network conditions in their demo, it's not 4K, prerelease and it's improved since the last demo, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG06H7IQ9Aw

razeak
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19-Mar-2019(#99)
Meh
ryanflucas
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19-Mar-2019(#100)
So nobody with ATT can use this? They're the king of data caps.

metsfan718
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19-Mar-2019(#101)
4K games will probably be kind of compressed. Internet in America needs to catch up for this to be really good. We are pretty far behind Asian countries with speeds. There are millions of people still on dial up. The infrastructure needs a TON of work for this to be viable long term.
tonymack21
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19-Mar-2019(#102)
ya it really does, i have pretty great internet and still get lag so i can only imagine what this would actually be like, this seems more like something that should be coming in another decade or two, not now. someday when something like this is actually perfected someone may say remember that stadia thing, man that was terrible. like we are saying remember onlive, that was terrible huh.

metsfan718
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20-Mar-2019(#103)
I have access to great speeds too. But I'm in NYC. Also the problem is with it is there are monopolies in rural areas. They don't want to spend the money on infrastructure.

For a lot of the country that has high speed internet, they are not getting exactly great speeds. And in a lot of areas they also have a monopoly and charge a ton for crap speeds. At least in my area I have a few choices. I have Verizon. FIOS is great, but only offered In like 13 states. That's the issues.

I feel like you need very good speeds for this to work. We are talking at least of 100-200MBPS.

The lack of details is sketchy. Watch this thing is massively overpriced. And I'm confident that this won't Get a lot of big releases. Simply because The existing companies have too much reputation in the industry. Google is far behind. They waited too long to enter the field.

This might sell a bit. But it will turn into Onlive all over again. I know it's google but I'm just stating facts here.



tonymack21
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20-Mar-2019(#104)
ya im considered rural, and besides satelite like getting internet with your directtv or whatever we have one big one, suddenlink and there is a smaller one now too, frontier i think, but im not sure if thats hardline or some kind of wireless. i pay 100 a month for gigabit, and speedtest is always great, and depending on source downloads are usually pretty good, i can download a game on steam or psn pretty nice but sometimes the speed is terrible at peak times, like absolutely abyssmal.

metsfan718
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20-Mar-2019(#105)
tonymack21 wrote:
> ya im considered rural, and besides satelite like getting internet with your directtv
> or whatever we have one big one, suddenlink and there is a smaller one now too, frontier
> i think, but im not sure if thats hardline or some kind of wireless. i pay 100 a
> month for gigabit, and speedtest is always great, and depending on source downloads
> are usually pretty good, i can download a game on steam or psn pretty nice but sometimes
> the speed is terrible at peak times, like absolutely abyssmal.
>
>

I guess your area has the infrastructure. At least you have a Big ISP in your town. They are probably throttling you at times. That's another big issue right now.

The thing is how do we convert the millions still on dial up. It's a huge issue still. But then again these are towns that are incredibly small. And how to we get rid of monopolies for both dial up and broadband.

Maybe long into the future this console would be widespread. Just too much going against it right now.
ryanflucas
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20-Mar-2019(#106)
In many places the infrastructure is there. Outside of extremely rural locations, it's been in place well over a decade. Nobody wants to give it up to the public though. It's available to those willing to spend those large amounts of cash.

One of my clients lives in a rural part of Wisconsin which has no local Internet service. It's a dead zone. Aside from weak cell signals, there's no Internet coverage from ATT/Charter Spectrum/anyone. Yet they called me over to fix some application issues they encounter when working from home. I had expected they were using satellite such as with Iridium Certus uplink kits. Nope. They had direct off the pole from the road cable Internet. Nobody else had it for miles around. Their employer had a government contracted project they were working on. A dedicated bandwidth line for them. Schools didn't even have any Internet.

metsfan718
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20-Mar-2019(#107)
SirConnery wrote:
> In many places the infrastructure is there. Outside of extremely rural locations,
> it's been in place well over a decade. Nobody wants to give it up to the public though.
> It's available to those willing to spend those large amounts of cash.
>
> One of my clients lives in a rural part of Wisconsin which has no local Internet
> service. It's a dead zone. Aside from weak cell signals, there's no Internet coverage
> from ATT/Charter Spectrum/anyone. Yet they called me over to fix some application
> issues they encounter when working from home. I had expected they were using satellite
> such as with Iridium Certus uplink kits. Nope. They had direct off the pole from
> the road cable Internet. Nobody else had it for miles around. Their employer had
> a government contracted project they were working on. A dedicated bandwidth line
> for them. Schools didn't even have any Internet.
>
>

That's just ridiculous. I guess a few get that special treatment, you just need the connection (Pun wasn't originally intended).

Wouldn't it require a decent amount of work for them to tap in for a single location though? Maybe not so much actually. Also, Would costs build up if they did it for say 1000 homes in a community?


I can see it totally being like that too. That's the sad part. These companies are corrupt.
dustin11
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20-Mar-2019(#108)
I live in a fairly large city and with my current provider I have access to a max 80mbps for $80/month and peak times that get cut down to a fraction of the speeds I'm paying for. There are times while streaming Netflix that it will suddenly drop to bootleg VHS quality.

I don't really know who this thing is really for, because I would assume that most people who pay for good enough internet to use this are also the type of people who have a gaming PC or at least one powerful enough to play games at more than 1080p. The lack of any information whatsoever, and with it launching this year has me thinking that either Google is way too ahead of themselves with the release date, or that it will be super expensive to the point that no one really wants to use it. Theres also the issue that if none of the big AAA devs want to put their whole library of games on it then support will suck and, again, no one will want to use this.
Boss
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20-Mar-2019(#109)
i have gigabit and even I'm not very excited about this. But I am sure people that don't have a gaming PC or Xbox X or PS4 Pro are super excited to get their hands on these types of games with limited hardware.
Admiral
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20-Mar-2019(#110)
UGH.

What's the BIG draw here? Being able to play ANYWHERE on ANY DEVICE??? Don't I have too many ways to play as it is?????
dustin11
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20-Mar-2019(#111)
I think the only real big draw as far as I can see if just being able to play games at "higher resolution" without needing to invest in expensive hardware. Other than that I'm not seeing what the big draw is here.
Admiral
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20-Mar-2019(#112)
Ah that does make sense. If that's the case, I'm not buying the whole "you can have average internet speeds and still go 4K 60FPS with no lag" claim.

Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.
dustin11
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20-Mar-2019(#113)
Oh yeah, definitely. That claim is a load of BS. If I can't stream 720p @ 30fps Youtube with 40mbps then no freaking way I'm going to be playing 4k @ 60fps w/HDR with anything near my speeds. I would be skeptical that even people with 1gb speeds could play for 3-4 hour sessions without issues.
whitefire
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20-Mar-2019(#114)
It sounds like the lag would be greatly reduced IF you use their controller. I wonder what it's like with a different controllet though.

tonymack21
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20-Mar-2019(#115)
I don't know the controller will really help though? the input has to go through your wifi, to their side, and then back to your display just the same as if you hook a Bluetooth controller to a chromecast or using a controller on your pc or other device. the other ideas id seen prior to this had your local machine handling input and a couple other things with the server side doing a lot of the heavy lifting on the rendering and processing..this is everything over network, and a lot of people have very old lines for their local network. I saw another report that said google's edge nodes would bypass a lot of local network traffic to make this work but at some point its got to hit the line that comes to your town and then to your house, and each time that little bit of latency from transfer has got to be noticeable.

I guess we will see when it comes out, but I think they are about 15-20 years ahead of themselves with the implementation of this. my videos stop and buffer sometimes on 1080p with my supposed gigabit, and that's just streaming video..no input, no graphics render, just video. I don't have a problem on youtube with 720p, but sometimes 1080, and they are talking about 4k and 8k eventually.

dustin11
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20-Mar-2019(#116)
Yeah, the controller being wifi probably won't help much because if your wifi sucks and is already being hogged by Stadia then you'll be getting potentially even more lag. Best solution would probably be a wired controller for this type of setup.

Plus their controller looks like it took the worst parts of the X1 and DS4 as design inspiration. Just looks really bad.
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20-Mar-2019(#117)
Onlive 2.0
tonymack21
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20-Mar-2019(#118)
ya they should have done taken the switch pro route and just copied the x1 straight up. i love the DS4 also and feel like its sony's best controller to date, offset sticks are nice though.

dustin11
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20-Mar-2019(#119)
Yeah, offset is the best IMO. Symmetrical has never felt like natural hand placement for where the sticks should be.
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* 20-Mar-2019(#120)
The controller connecting directly to wifi is a good thing. Unless you're using a wired controller, the Bluetooth/2.4Ghz connection that connects your controller to your console is going to add its own input lag, before being sent to the cloud. This cuts out the middleman.

This doesn't offer any benefit if your wifi already sucks, but if it does, you were screwed on this service anyway.

Admiral wrote:
> Ah that does make sense. If that's the case, I'm not buying the whole "you can have
> average internet speeds and still go 4K 60FPS with no lag" claim.

I think they mean that the source material is 4K@60, but then it's downscaled to accommodate your connection. I guess that could be misleading, but your quarter pounder doesn't weight 4 ounces anymore either by the time it hits your mouth.

The Project Stream beta was extremely impressive. I tried it out at home (~500Mbps, hardwired or wifi), at work (fast but throttled), in my apartment complex's clubhouse (mid-range), and at my parents' place (just plain terrible). At worst, it was still better than using PS4 Remote Play sitting a few feet from the console, which is pretty damn impressive.

That said, unless they track down some real exclusives, I don't know how people are going to latch on to it. If they can get EA or Activision on board, the people that exclusively play the annual Call of Duty or Madden games might not have to pay $400 every few years anymore.
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20-Mar-2019(#121)
dustin11 wrote:
> Yeah, offset is the best IMO. Symmetrical has never felt like natural hand placement
> for where the sticks should be.

I agree, but it was really easy to get used to on the Wii U Pro Controller.
ryanflucas
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20-Mar-2019(#122)
Google has lots of cash to blow. This isn't the system to watch and get excited about. The system that should have your attention will be the indirect result of this and occur years later.

ryanflucas
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20-Mar-2019(#123)
I'd like to hope it's Microsoft Xbox Game Pass streaming and available on almost any platform.

dustin11
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21-Mar-2019(#124)
The flood gates may be opening with streaming providers. Yaaaaaayyy.........

https://www.pcgamer.com/report-walmart-is-explorin...
tonymack21
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21-Mar-2019(#125)
ya I think its what could come of this in the future, not necessarily stadia itself, MS seems to want to get its gamepass/xcloud service pretty much everywhere, so that may be the thing that eventually makes this more viable for more people.

if it worked the way MS thinks xcloud could work in the future, when the network infrastructure is there.. I can see the appeal for people who play 2 or 3 games a year and don't have to buy hardware to do it, or would play for an hour here or there but not enough to justify a console buy.

dustin11
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21-Mar-2019(#126)
Whats funny is that Walmart uses Azure servers for their entire company to run off of, but are now going to try and create their own game streaming service to compete against Azure even though they can't even do that for their own company. Lol. just makes no sense at all. If too many of these services are created then we're going to get a bunch of games exclusive to a single service and then will need to subscribe to a bunch of different ones all with different performance and requirements just to play everything we may want. That would be a horrible future for gamers.
Scott
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21-Mar-2019(#127)
I don't care to watch an hour+ video. Can somebody sum up for me what exactly they announced?

dustin11
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21-Mar-2019(#128)
Scott
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21-Mar-2019(#129)
Thanks, that's all I needed to know!

Missile
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21-Mar-2019(#130)
Everyone keeps chasing that magical cloud gaming, thinking they can be like netflix, but they all seem to have the same problem. Stupidly high bandwidth and data speed requirements, and high amounts of input lag. So far the google stadium doesn't look like it'll be solving this problem.
dustin11
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21-Mar-2019(#131)
I think the problem with this is that Google isn't solving any problems with their cloud streaming and they're actually creating more.If they want people to switch from console gaming to cloud gaming then they won't do so with offering so many drawbacks with little to no advantages.
Admiral
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22-Mar-2019(#132)
Very true.

If the gaming giants can't get a good foothold with their consoles/libraries, what makes Google think they can do it without the franchises Sony and MS have (especially Sony)??

There are what - 80 million PS4's out there, with Sony's amazing 1st and 3rd party titles - and their streaming service still isn't doing much?
dustin11
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22-Mar-2019(#133)
I think that what makes Sony's streaming so undesirable is that they've pretty much build their servers infrastructure out of duct tape and hamsters running on wheels. Sure it may be bringing in the most money out of the available streaming services, but there really the only game in town at the moment. That's like saying that you're the strongest guy who works out at the retirement community's gym. Their game offerings on PSNow are pretty bad and they've not really put any current gen exclusives on it other than Knack and KZ, either of which anyone really cares about and no one wants to play those in 720p 30fps with significant lag.

Topic   Gather Around -- Google Has Entered the Game Industry