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oneluckybullet
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16-May-2017(#1)
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Surge came out today. so far not bad. very nioh and bloodborn feel as in fast combat. switching limbs takes some getting used to.

Phantom Dust remaster is supposed to be out today for free.

injustice came out today as well. grabbed that on my ps4 though,
dustin11
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16-Apr-2019(#161)
Yeah, I'm not a huge SW fan or anything, but I would have definitely played this game. Obsidian is still around.......just saying.
dustin11
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* 16-Apr-2019(#162)
Lots of info starting to get leaked about next gen consoles right now and one I was hearing about yesterday is that the Anaconda devkit has 48GB of GDDR6 at 1500mhz. Normally half of whatever the devkits have is what the retail console ends up with, so we could be looking at 24GB GDDR6 which would make this thing an absolute monster. The CPU will be a custom 7mn 8 core AMD Zen2 equipped with SMT (simultaneous multi-threading) clocked at 3.2ghz. Just the GPU alone is running at 400mhz higher than the 1X currently and (is rumored to) have 2.25x more GBs of RAM. Ray tracing is also expected (as both MS and NVidia together have invented the current RT tech used on PCs, which is what the Anaconda will have) to be available. For $500 its going to be a crazy good bargain. A formal reveal is expected at E3.
DarkFact
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16-Apr-2019(#163)
I'd honestly be surprised if they launch at $500, those specs seem awful decent... but on the other hand, bring it!
dustin11
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16-Apr-2019(#164)
Its what all the rumors are saying right now so who knows. The "insiders" are saying that MS doesn't want to release another $600 console because of the feedback they got with the X1 in 2013 and they know they can't sell a console for $600 again. Also supposed to lose money on every console sold but make up for it with subscriptions and games. No idea what the Lockheart is supposed to be release with yet but I think the CPU is supposed to be the same, just a significantly weaker GPU as the $300 price point won't allow for a 24GB GPU.
tonymack21
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16-Apr-2019(#165)
https://gematsu.com/2019/04/microsoft-e3-2019-pres...

i wonder though if they really plan to show it fully at E3 unless they are releasing this year? seems very early.

those specs are the same as what a new interview with PS5 lead designer said about ps5. 7nm 8 core zen2 with 8k and ray tracing. they may end up being pretty similar systems.

dustin11
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* 16-Apr-2019(#166)
tonymack21 wrote:
>
> i wonder though if they really plan to show it fully at E3 unless they are releasing
> this year? seems very early.

fall 2020 is the rumored release date. They showed The X1X over a year before release as well so they'll probably do the same thing here.

> those specs are the same as what a new interview with PS5 lead designer said about
> ps5. 7nm 8 core zen2 with 8k and ray tracing. they may end up being pretty similar
> systems.

The difference would be if their Zen2 CPU supports SMT and even then they said nothing about the GPU as that's whats supposed to be the main difference between the two consoles as the Anaconda is supposed to be 12+TF to where the PS5 is supposed to be around 10tf max. Sony is also using their own in-house Ray Tracing developed by Polphony to where MS is using their own that has been in use for a while now in games like BF5 and SotTR. The 8k is supposed to just be upscaled from 4k, not native and probably won't be available day 1 since 8k TV adoption is pretty much zero right now. Be interesting to see once we get the full reveal of both consoles because at its at this stage where we typically will start to get more concrete stuff rather than a bunch of rumors.
tonymack21
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* 16-Apr-2019(#167)
ya im excited to see more of the tech side revealed on both sides, im not expecting native 8k from either as we are prob a ways off from that being widely adopted, 4k isnt even standard its considered a luxury still mostly, unless ms has claimed native 8k?

dustin11
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* 16-Apr-2019(#168)
MS hasn't claimed anything 8k at all and neither have the leakers. For 8k gaming at 60fps you need 2 RTX Titans which would set you back $5k. I feel that 8k gaming is a buzzword that they're using but it will probably end up being supported as much, if not less, than 4k was with the Pro. Also, 8K support could just mean that they'll support 8k video playback which you can do just by including HDMI 2.1, much like the 1X already has. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they didn't specifically say that the PS5 will support 8k gaming, did they?
TalonJedi87
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16-Apr-2019(#169)
Just read this article too from Sony confirming PS5 BC with PS4 games. Thank buddha.

http://www.ign.com//articles/2019/04/16/sony-revea...
dustin11
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16-Apr-2019(#170)
Wonder if its all PS4 games or if it will be a case by case basis. Licensing typically dictates which consoles you can play specific games on which is why MS needs permission for every games individually that they make BC on the X1.
tonymack21
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16-Apr-2019(#171)
No they didn't claim 8k gaming over at sony it didn't sound like...just that 8k upscaling would be a thing with ps5.

Ya hadn't thought of that with the bc... The ps2 was universally compatible with ps1 and early PS3 could play 1 and 2 and all 3 can play all 1. So maybe they have theirs set to PlayStation..and not a specific iteration of PlayStation or something. The article sounds like universal PS4 BC.. but we'll see I guess. Maybe they just aren't tipping the full hand yet

TalonJedi87
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* 16-Apr-2019(#172)
If they don't want to cause riots, they should make all PS4 games BC. I'm sure MS will have no issue doing that with their next Xbox with all current XB1 games, so I'm unsure why Sony can't follow suit the same way. Just pony up the dough so there isn't anymore backlash.
dustin11
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* 16-Apr-2019(#173)
Licensing becomes weird because some of the devs don't want their games to be BC because they want to release "HD Remasters" and stuff like that. The earlier PS consoles had to include a PS1 and/or PS2 onboard in order to have BC and I think that was because that may have circumvented copy rights since it was technically playing the game on its original hardware. I don't think they have the copy right stuff to where it encompasses all PS hardware, otherwise the PS Classic would have had a better library. That PS5 patent was for system emulation so its that's the case then the fact that they're emulating older games onto the newer console means that they're violating the older copy rights. It would be nice if they did away with that copy right stuff because its BS and shouldn't exist the way it currently does.
dustin11
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16-Apr-2019(#174)
Speaking about BC, looks like Ninja Gaiden 2 is probably being added later on today:

https://www.trueachievements.com/n37284/ninja-gaid...
TalonJedi87
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16-Apr-2019(#175)
Ah I see. Damn legal crap. And nice to see NG2 come into the BC fold. That game was challenging AF if I remember correctly. I couldn't even beat the final boss on my own without the help of a friend.
dustin11
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16-Apr-2019(#176)
I couldn't beat the final boss either. I didn't like 2 as much as 1. NG1 felt more challenging but also fair. NG2 felt more like they just kept throwing boss after boss after boss until you ran out of health and died.
dustin11
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16-Apr-2019(#177)
Splinter Cell Double Agent, Conviction, and Blacklist are all X enhanced. Fabel 2 & 3 are also enhanced.

Ninja Gaiden 2 is also now officially BC and it is also X enhanced.
Dustin
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16-Apr-2019(#178)
Saw something today where the all digital Xbox one will be $250. Hard pass at that price. They should sell exactly 0 units at that price.
dustin11
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16-Apr-2019(#179)
Thats the MSRP, just like the MSRP for the "S" is still $299. Probably be seeing these for $150 from various retailers within 3-months. $250 launch price is definitely too high though.
Reed
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16-Apr-2019(#180)
Anyone ever have issues with the bumper buttons on the controller? I have to press harder than normal for RB to respond. I replaced a controller because it was doing that and now the new one is doing it. I guess I could buy replacement bumpers? Sigh.
Reed
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16-Apr-2019(#181)
Also, anyone playing WWZ?
dustin11
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17-Apr-2019(#182)
No issues with the bumpers for me with any of my controllers even after playing hundreds of hours of Forza. I've heard that was an issue with the Elite controller though
Reed
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17-Apr-2019(#183)
Do you even use the bumpers a lot in racing games tho? I play a lot of shooters that use the bumpers a lot so maybe that's why.... or because I've dropped my controllers a few times, lol. I'm just going to get Best Buy's replacement insurance for the next controller.
dustin11
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17-Apr-2019(#184)
Oh sorry, I got them mixed up with the triggers, I don't think many games I play require the use of the bumpers so I don't use them very often.
DarkFact
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* 17-Apr-2019(#185)
Dustin wrote:
> Saw something today where the all digital Xbox one will be $250. Hard pass at that
> price. They should sell exactly 0 units at that price.

Yeah, I heard $260. Either price, that's a big fudging fail. You shouldn't need have to get this thing on sale to be as cheap as a system with a disc drive in it, it should have been aggressively priced to allow for people to make a no-brain decision to go digital-only. This isn't how you step off the cliff.

Some people were saying $150 was the buy price, I thought that was low. I was thinking around 200, but a $40 discount for no drive's just full-on retardo. I know the drives wouldn't reduce the costs by a full $100 but there's some expectation that this could have been made for around the 200 price and still be profitable, what five, six years down the line? Absolute butt-blast.
TalonJedi87
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17-Apr-2019(#186)
Ya I have to agree. $250 is what they should drop the XB1 S disc model down to and price the discless XB1 S at $150ish. I would say $180 max. Definitely not more than that. I guess they are testing the waters to see if people will be dumb enough to buy it for $250 when they could just spend $50 more and have a disc drive which is also capable of playing 4K UHD disc based movies.
dustin11
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17-Apr-2019(#187)
I don't think that any X1 consoles sell for MSRP though, the 1X can be bought with a few games for $330 new and the 1S for about $180. I don't see the All Digital selling at its $250 price point though, just like I wouldn't see the 1S selling for $300 and its going to require a price drop to sub $200 before people are interested in it because theres no point in spending more money for a console with no 4k BRD regardless. They kind of put this thing in a bit of peculiar spot with its pricing because if they released this to test the waters then they'll get a false negative result because of its price is currently too high.
tonymack21
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* 17-Apr-2019(#188)
ya they are killing this thing before it ever gets a chance.. i think they are bundling three games with it though, or rather codes for them? still though, seems like 169.99 or 179.99 and you'd sell some of these, seems like it will fail really hard. Phil knows better than this? maybe i just thought it he did.. i like the guy and am excited about what hes doing maybe he didnt decide this though. maybe they just want to price it at this point and have sales all the time and do it for 199.99, but at 169 which feels well below 200 to the consumer people would think they're getting a better deal and maybe be on it. youre playing from behind here, why not make a big splash with this?

dustin11
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* 17-Apr-2019(#189)
yeah, I mean, technically it is $50 cheaper than the 1S, its just that the 1S is always on sale everywhere to where this one hasn't been on sale yet because its not even out, so I think that makes this look a lot more expensive than it really is. I think if MS priced it at around $150 then it could offset the 1S sales way too much and possibly get MS thinking that there is more interest in an all digital console when really people only bought it because its half the price of the 1S and not because of the all digital aspect. That could negatively influence their plans for next gen and I would hate to see that happen because it would suck for consumers if they were stuck with an all digital console just because the $150 console sold so well. I think that $200 would have been the sweet spot for the console with no games included. I guess you could probably sell the included codes for around $50 pretty easily because FH3 has held its value very well.
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17-Apr-2019(#190)
If you price this thing right, you don't need to justify its MSRP with potential sales down the line. Please see Switch.
dustin11
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17-Apr-2019(#191)
Switch only has 1 SKU right now though, we'll see how things go with it once they have 3 different versions out.

Pricing on this thing is tricky IMO. Price it too low and it sells well making MS think that more people are interested in an digital only future than may actually be otherwise. Price it too high and it won't sell making them think that no one is interested in an all digital console.

I think best case scenario would be if MS dropped the price of the 1S to $250 and then price the All Digital at $200 no games included. It would give them the best gauge for public interest in an all digital console without pricing it too low.
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17-Apr-2019(#192)
Yup.
TalonJedi87
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17-Apr-2019(#193)
If they are adamant at a $250 MSRP they should include like 6 months of Game Pass and XBL along with those 3 digital games to sweeten the deal.
tonymack21
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17-Apr-2019(#194)
ya you'd think they would def include a nice trial of their online services since thats the biggest selling point of the machine.

dustin11
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17-Apr-2019(#195)
They said that when you buy it you get 3 months of GP, but who knows if thats just a deal that everyone has access to or just the ones who purchased the console. Wonder if retailers will follow the MSRP though or if we'll have some selling it at $200 or less at launch.
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17-Apr-2019(#196)
retailers will be an interesting case..they may not like this thing, how low can they really go on it.. they usually make nothing or almost nothing on a console, i remember when ps2 came out the store i worked at made less than 10 dollars on the console. i guess they can make it up in accessories or in the digital came cards but ive seen lots of stuff over the years that talked about all digital consoles being a problem until most of the populace is comfortable buying consoles online, as retailers wont stock something they cant make money on. most game sales are online and digital now but lots of consoles still sell at retail.

dustin11
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17-Apr-2019(#197)
I've heard that GS makes a ton of money on consoles still, but they make significantly more on games as long as the console has an attach rate of more an 1. If retailers can sell an X1S with 1-2 games bundled in for $200 and still make a profit, then I'm assuming they could probably sell this thing for at least that much and stuff make money. One thing that will be interesting to see is when this thing launches but a retailer currently has the 1S on sale, what are they going to do in that situation? Can't sell the digital only for more than the 1S.
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18-Apr-2019(#198)
dustin11 wrote:
> Splinter Cell Double Agent, Conviction, and Blacklist are all X enhanced. Fabel 2
> & 3 are also enhanced.
>
> Ninja Gaiden 2 is also now officially BC and it is also X enhanced.

Thanks for posting this...glad to see more Enhanced games. I only got about halfway through Conviction so I'll pop that in to see how it looks now.

And for some reason I have a soft spot for Double Agent...so now I need to get that again.
dustin11
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19-Apr-2019(#199)
Heres a video comparing the X Enhanced version next to the 360 version of Blacklist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeZ3VvuG_r0

Pretty significant difference. Xbox BC is in a league of its own when it comes to BC, really incredible what they've managed to do with older games using the Heutchy Method.
Bleed_DukeBlue
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19-Apr-2019(#200)
Is it worth buying an XBox One X if you already have a PS4 Pro? I found a way to get one cheaply enough that I'm considering it for multiplatform games if the graphical difference is worthwhile.
dustin11
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* 19-Apr-2019(#201)
If you have a good TV then yes. The X is a pretty significant step up from the Pro. Shorter load times, better CPU, significantly better GPU, and good BC. There are many rundowns on Digital Foundry that shows the differences between various 3rd party games. Probably 95%+ of 3rd party play better on the X1X and sometimes at as much as 4x the resolution and better FPS.

All depends on if the dev wants to do the work to take advantage of the X though, which there isn't any guarantee of:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=_m...

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