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oneluckybullet
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16-May-2017(#1)
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Surge came out today. so far not bad. very nioh and bloodborn feel as in fast combat. switching limbs takes some getting used to.

Phantom Dust remaster is supposed to be out today for free.

injustice came out today as well. grabbed that on my ps4 though,
dustin11
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* 19-Apr-2019(#201)
If you have a good TV then yes. The X is a pretty significant step up from the Pro. Shorter load times, better CPU, significantly better GPU, and good BC. There are many rundowns on Digital Foundry that shows the differences between various 3rd party games. Probably 95%+ of 3rd party play better on the X1X and sometimes at as much as 4x the resolution and better FPS.

All depends on if the dev wants to do the work to take advantage of the X though, which there isn't any guarantee of:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=_m...
Bleed_DukeBlue
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19-Apr-2019(#202)
Thanks for the detailed answer!
dustin11
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19-Apr-2019(#203)
Thers a little more detail you can go into as well which show the difference a bit more on the hardware and features level:

CPU:
X1X - 8 core 2.3ghz
PS4 Pro - 8 core 2.1ghz
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GPU:
X1X 12GB GDDR5 (9 used for games) @ 326gb/s
PS4 Pro 8GB GDDR5 (5 used for gaming) @ 218gb/s
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Optical Drive:
X1X has a 4k BRD disc drive
PS4 Pro only supports standard BRD
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Inputs:
X1X has HDMI 2.1 (can be used for variable refresh rates (or freesync) on compatible monitors and TVs, as well as supports up to 8k video playback)
PS4 Pro has HDMI 2.0 which supports up to 4k.
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HDR:
X1X supports both HDR10 & Dolby Digital
PS4 supports only HDR10
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Audio:
X1X supports Dolby Atmos and Spatial Audio,
PS4 Pro only supports Dolby Atmos
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Cooling: (not that big of a deal, but can be for some)
X1X uses a centrifugal vapor chamber (runs almost completely silent)
PS4 Pro uses traditional fan cooling (runs louder as a result)


DarkFact
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* 19-Apr-2019(#204)
Yeah, basically PS4 Pro upscaling will frequently go up to 1440p and then do what equates to "gueswork" to figure out how the extra pixel space should be filled. Often it just turns it into a blurry mess, but frankly when you're on a big 4K display even blurry upscales are better than nothing. Xbox One X more often than not can get much, much more clean results by actually outputting at native 4K or some facsimile. RDR2 was running at half 4K on PS4 Pro, for instance; on the X it actually hits 4K. Basically the PS4 Pro does a cheap, efficient job of upscaling for modern displays, whereas the Xbox One X actually has the hardware to output the target 4K resolution. The next gen won't have to fake it (though some poorly optimized games may do so anyways).

The whispers of 8K don't really impress me; 60fps 1080p across the board frankly would impress me more than solid 30fps@4K, but if they could actually hit 60fps4K, that'd be astounding work for home consoles and I'd cheer them on all the more for it.
dustin11
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* 19-Apr-2019(#205)
Yeah, for example, in Diablo 3 both consoles use dynamic resolution and the lowest the X fell to was higher than the highest output of the PS4 Pro. The X only dropped from native 4k in one spot through out the entire game to where the Pro never went above something like 1440p once. The resolution capability difference between the two consoles isn't even close. I guess that AMD went to MS and asked them if they wanted to do an Xbox Pro equivalent and MS said no because they thought the Pro isn't good enough to be a mid-gen refresh which is why they waited a year for the superior console.

The 8k thing I felt was more of just throwing out a buzzword to get people who don't know about specs and hardware requirements to think the console will be an all powerful monster. Its most likely that by "8K" they were talking about 8k video playback support via HDMI 2.1 or some form of upscaling (even then you're not getting 8k textures, so why even bother). Next gen consoles will not even do 8k @ 30fps because you need an RTX Titan to do that, and these Navi cards are supposed to be more inline with a RTX 2070 I believe.
Bleed_DukeBlue
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19-Apr-2019(#206)
This is really helpful. Thanks again all around.
DarkFact
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19-Apr-2019(#207)
Rtx 2070 is still beast mode. Slightly better than gtx 1070ti which is still a very competent 1440p card even on a PC, we'll have to see if they actually measure up.
Anxiouz
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19-Apr-2019(#208)
Bleed_DukeBlue wrote:
> Is it worth buying an XBox One X if you already have a PS4 Pro? I found a way to
> get one cheaply enough that I'm considering it for multiplatform games if the graphical
> difference is worthwhile.

If you have a 4k tv then yes. I didn't feel the Pro was that much of a step up from the slim. It's certainly better but I never felt it was really worth the money whereas the X for me has been more satisfying and way more impressive.
dustin11
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19-Apr-2019(#209)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Rtx 2070 is still beast mode. Slightly better than gtx 1070ti which is still a very
> competent 1440p card even on a PC, we'll have to see if they actually measure up.

Yeah, we'll have to see what the performance ends up being. 24GB GDDR6 is pretty impressive and if the OS stays light weight at around 3gb then having 21 dedicated to gaming would be great. They're aiming for 12-14tf, so at least double the X.
DarkFact
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19-Apr-2019(#210)
For once I'm definitely looking closely at the specs and performance. Feels like they're finally giving a crap about not releasing a console that kinda sorta does things.
dustin11
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19-Apr-2019(#211)
I guess that internal talk was that they're not releasing a console that is less powerful than the competition again because they spent too long being known as the underpowered console this gen. They have the money to take a much larger hit on the console than Sony can, its just a matter if they're willing to. We'll have to see, and I'm also going to really be interested in knowing the specs much more than at the beginning of this gen. Should be a fun E3.
dustin11
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23-Apr-2019(#212)
Crackdown 1 & 2 DLC is also now free along with the games themselves.
longhornsk57
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23-Apr-2019(#213)
Bleed_DukeBlue wrote:
> Is it worth buying an XBox One X if you already have a PS4 Pro? I found a way to
> get one cheaply enough that I'm considering it for multiplatform games if the graphical
> difference is worthwhile.

I know I am a little late on this but i have owned both so will give an opinion.

Technically if you up to your screen on a paused frame you can tell very tiny differences in some games where the One X outperforms.

In real time playing honestly I did not really notice difference, because even on Rise of the TR when you're playing the draw distance looks the same, the checkboard rendering on the PS4 Pro actually does an amazing job a 1440p checkerboarded up to a 2160p image while moving doesn't really look any different to me, and both look a lot better than 1080p.

Because of this even though the numbers point to a slight advantage on the One X I still ended up just using my Pro because the game selection was so much better and because in real world usage i didn't notice much of a difference. And I am playing 12' away from a 160" screen playing on a 4K - HDR projector so I would notice sharpness drops more than most people playing on a 65" screen.

I think if you like the Xbox One games and ecosystem then get the X instead for improved frame rate on some games, but there's no real point to owning both.
dustin11
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* 23-Apr-2019(#214)
It all comes down to if the dev wanted to put forth the effort in taking full advantage of either hardware which sometimes they don't. Games like RDR2 and Shadows of War are probably the 2 most notable differences in games thus far:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-... (launch the comparison tool to see the differences).

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-...

Will they look pretty comparable when playing one either console, yeah probably. But the differences start to become apparent once you use a comparison tool like what eurogamer has on their site. I'm only speaking in terms of resolution and image quality right now too, and most games seem to hold a more stable frame rate on the X1X vs the Pro unless lazy developers don't optimize.

longhornsk57
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23-Apr-2019(#215)
dustin11 wrote:

>
> Will they look pretty comparable when playing one either console, yeah probably.

This was really my main point. real world usage.
Bleed_DukeBlue
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* 23-Apr-2019(#216)
Thanks! I ended up getting one, because (after credit card rewards and tradeins), I managed to get it for a couple hundred. I figured I can use it to play backwards compatible games I wanted to catch up on from the PS3 era via EA Access and Game Pass (like the Mass Effect Trilogy), games that I've wanted to play for awhile that are only on XBox/PC (Fable I, II, and III), and modern stuff that is only on XBox for the next couple of years and then trade it and my PS4 Pro toward a PS5. I'll probably also use the XBox One X for games where the graphical difference or performance is more noticeable.

Thanks again to everyone who weighed in.

longhornsk57 wrote:
> Bleed_DukeBlue wrote:
>> Is it worth buying an XBox One X if you already have a PS4 Pro? I found a way
> to
>> get one cheaply enough that I'm considering it for multiplatform games if the
> graphical
>> difference is worthwhile.
>
> I know I am a little late on this but i have owned both so will give an opinion.
>
> Technically if you up to your screen on a paused frame you can tell very tiny differences
> in some games where the One X outperforms.
>
> In real time playing honestly I did not really notice difference, because even on
> Rise of the TR when you're playing the draw distance looks the same, the checkboard
> rendering on the PS4 Pro actually does an amazing job a 1440p checkerboarded up to
> a 2160p image while moving doesn't really look any different to me, and both look
> a lot better than 1080p.
>
> Because of this even though the numbers point to a slight advantage on the One X
> I still ended up just using my Pro because the game selection was so much better
> and because in real world usage i didn't notice much of a difference. And I am playing
> 12' away from a 160" screen playing on a 4K - HDR projector so I would notice sharpness
> drops more than most people playing on a 65" screen.
>
> I think if you like the Xbox One games and ecosystem then get the X instead for improved
> frame rate on some games, but there's no real point to owning both.
dustin11
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23-Apr-2019(#217)
longhornsk57 wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>
>>
>> Will they look pretty comparable when playing one either console, yeah probably.
>
> This was really my main point. real world usage.

Just comes down to if you think that extra couple of $$$ is worth having a console which gives better visuals & better FPS in nearly every 3rd part game, is backwards compatible with over 500 games, runs more quietly, and has a 4k BRD.
longhornsk57
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23-Apr-2019(#218)
Well my point was the better visuals is arguable or negligible. Real world play I didn't really notice "better visuals" than the Pro.

Backwards Compatible is a plus, I would love to play the original RDR in updated graphics and the 4K player is a definitely plus, I hate that Sony didn't include one in the Pro.

I wonder if the next gen Xbox will still include one because I doubt the PS5 will.
dustin11
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23-Apr-2019(#219)
I think they will. With the Pro it was a money saving move. I think that both consoles won't have any reason not to since they're so cheap now. If not then it would be a swing and a miss for them both.
longhornsk57
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23-Apr-2019(#220)
Ya, 4KBR discs just look so much cleaner and better than streaking "4K" content... They really need to include..
dustin11
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23-Apr-2019(#221)
I could see the Anaconda including one but maybe not the Lockheart. I heard they cost the companies only like $5 to include in a console, but maybe if they're already going to lose money for every console sold then they don't want to add to the amount they're taking a hit on. $5 for 5 million console the first few months would be about $25m hit to their bottom line. I would be disappointed, but I still have an X1S in my living room and its not going anywhere, so I'll be good either way.
dustin11
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23-Apr-2019(#222)
Since E3 is just over a month away, I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Splinter Cell, Ninja Gaiden, and Fabel game either announced, shown, or both, this year. I don't think its a coincidence that all last gen's Splinter Cell and Fable games just got the X enhanced treatment and same with NG2.
tonymack21
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23-Apr-2019(#223)
i expect them to show a crapload of stuff this year, they want to get rid of the "xbox has no games" idea going into next gen

longhornsk57
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23-Apr-2019(#224)
They need to, because they really don't want to lose the next gen war by over 2:1 again.
dustin11
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* 23-Apr-2019(#225)
The Xbox division is still making MS a boat load of cash and I think they've positioned themselves in a good position for the future. I think if they release 2 SKUs next gen (on being $299 and the other being more powerful than the PS5) and launch with Halo Infinite then those two things alone will be enough to get their console sales closer to where they were at last gen.

Also, details are starting to come out of Ninja Theories' next game. Seems to be a story driven 4 player coop MP story driven sci-fi game with melee combat being the primary focus. Its been in development for 6 years now and its supposed to come out next year.
Anxiouz
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* 23-Apr-2019(#226)
I have big concerns about a "budget" next Xbox being alongside a "premium" next Xbox. I get the approach but I don't like it. Not when the all-digital X1S was released at such a high price. I thought the UHD drive was the big expense so wtf?

Yes, we've seen where an X1 title "runs" on X1/X1S and then is insanely good on X1X because of the thoughtful architecture...but it's still a worse experience on X1/X1S most times compared to even a base PS4.

Although I do think MS has their crap together now, so I'd love to be wrong. But we know the new Xbox will be built off the X1X arch so BC will work. So maybe the "cheap" next Xbox will be basically just be an X1X? Hmmm...that actually makes a lot of sense.

Maybe I'm wrong about all of this...
dustin11
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23-Apr-2019(#227)
So my take on it from all the insiders is that we're going to have the two console variants, which should look something like this:

Anaconda:
-Navi GPU running with 24GB GDDR6 and around 12-14tf
-Zen2 CPU with 8 core (16 cores through SMT), running at 3.5ghz/ea
-SSD capable of loading the console's OS from being completely shut off (not sleep mode) to home screen in 3 seconds flat (current gen it takes 45 seconds). They're thinking the SSD will be the next gen NVME SSD tech

Lockheart:
-Navi GPU just like in the Anaconda but only about 8-12GB GDDR6 at about 5tf
-Same CPU
-No word on HDD

They're wanting to build the Anaconda to compete with, and exceed, the PS5 in terns of "raw power" and will target 4k @ 60fps across the board. Don't want to spend $500 for next gen but want to play the newest stuff but don't want really care about 4K? Then thats where the Lockheart comes into play. Its target is a 1080p (maybe up to 1440p) @ 60fps. It will pretty much be the X with lower T-flops but a much better CPU to hold better frame rates.

I think that MS is positioning themselves well with pricing because they'll have the most powerful AND most affordable next gen console on the market day 1 which will suit both kinds of buyers.
longhornsk57
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23-Apr-2019(#228)
How are you getting that the next Xbox is "more powerful" than the PS5?
dustin11
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* 23-Apr-2019(#229)
longhornsk57 wrote:
> How are you getting that the next Xbox is "more powerful" than the PS5?

https://www.mensxp.com/technology/games/52169-the-...

This was 5 days ago and more insiders have come fourth saying the next Xbox is going to be more powerful and/or more advanced.

longhornsk57
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23-Apr-2019(#230)
Hmm interesting.

Looks like this might be my 3rd party machine..
dustin11
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* 23-Apr-2019(#231)
Found this article pretty interesting and pretty much everything they have said has ended up being true down to the spec reveal in mid-2019.

https://www.gaminginstincts.com/rumor-ps5-dev-kit-...
tonymack21
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23-Apr-2019(#232)
xbox has always been my third party machine for the most part.

does MS make a big splash at E3 and reveal their next gen stuff, possibly even if it means shooting the remaining life of the x1 in the foot a little? or do they show off a lot of what all these studios are working on and reveal the new stuff later so as not to detract. do many of those studios even have anything? any of those teams working on large scale projects are probably next gen titles at this point as long as games take to make now.

dustin11
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23-Apr-2019(#233)
They're supposed to show Halo infinite and Ninja Theories' new game code named "Bleeding Edge". Other things may also be shown, those games being Fable and Obsidian's next game. They've also supposedly bought 3 more studios. There will also be Gears 5 (supposed to be 4x larger than any other gears game before it), Ori 2, and a bunch more new stuff. That's just what the insiders are talking about, more 1st party studio games are expected.

I dont think that announcing next gen will be shooting themselves in the foot since all launch next Xbox games are playable on current Gen hardware. Also, they announced the X1X 16 months prior to launch and no damage was done. I also think that them beating Sony to the punch will be important going forward.
longhornsk57
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23-Apr-2019(#234)
That's the problem. It's either racing, FPS, or Gears which I don't like any of them, Ori was cool.

Quantum Break was amazing, loved it. Why can't they just do stuff like that?

That's why I like Sony so much more with games. I hope MS steps up with these 1st party games because with a more powerful console they can really take a lead in the game.
dustin11
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23-Apr-2019(#235)
Bleeding edge, Fable, and Ori aren't FPS, racing or Gears. Actually, this gen there has only been 1 new mainline entry into either Gears or Halo. I also think the next Xbox launching with a new Halo I the best way of starting next gen. Supposed to be a massive game as well with a $500 million budget.

I also like that the games MS makes have continued gameplay value via MP modes and, with gears, online coop. There is much more added value there than a standard 20-30hr long single player game that could essentially be gamefly rentals.

Pretty sweet that all the games I mentioned in my previous post will be playable day 1 through game pass, just more value that game pass continues to offer.
longhornsk57
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23-Apr-2019(#236)
Ya I mentioned Ori was good, I need to check out the other two..
dustin11
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23-Apr-2019(#237)
They had some smaller games like Tunic and sessions which were both supposed to come out this year too but I find those smaller ones not really "exclusive list worth" titles. We'll have to see what e3 has in store. Lots of rumors this time of year and its ripe for bad or misleading information.
TalonJedi87
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23-Apr-2019(#238)
All I know is that MS is promising the biggest E3 showing of all time, so they better bring the thunder. 🌩⚡
longhornsk57
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23-Apr-2019(#239)
I'm just geeked for the new battletoads if we're being honest
Bleed_DukeBlue
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23-Apr-2019(#240)
I'm pretty psyched about new Fable.
dustin11
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* 23-Apr-2019(#241)
Oh, I forgot all about Battle Toads. Cautiously excited about that game. The devs they have on it aren't proven talent. I want a hard AF 2d beat'em up.

Topic   Xbox One Discussion