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Topic   Being in the Retro Game Market is just depressing

Frozyre
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12-Feb(#1)
When I built my VG Collection here back in 2012, man it was such a thriving time. I still have those images, to never forget what was accomplished before inevitably having to sell it all in one swoop. The prices I've got those games for, the lucky breaks, the good trades here .etc were all worth it in the end. In a way, I could still do that today if I choose to but the business climate for retro games have changed and they've changed for the worst. First thing I've noticed, I no longer have a healthy network of places to frequent to acquire games from. There are places in general I could visit, but the prices are heavily based on EBay. Resellers have taken over thrift stores that I frequented, who also practice the same.

There's one used video game store I've been doing business with for a bit now and I'm starting to reconsider after my exchange by giving him my Nintendo Wii. He sells Nintendo Wiis for $60 a pop, I got mine for $25 at a thrift store. He was willing to give me 25 in store credit for it. Being partially blinded by the whole 'support small business' motto, I accepted the poor terms. He was lying through his teeth because I'm a semi-regular there, he does manage to sell Wiis. He didn't even add anymore credit for the two copies of the Price is Right for Wii that I had with the system, could've had at least 3 for each since they're 5 loose. I was also building credit to eventually buy a PS4 Pro he had there that was $349 even though I have a PS4 slim. I was considering trading my PS4 and PS2 (fat) combined and then fill in the difference with paying directly. I was at 95 store credit at the time, but now 60 cause he had a couple PS4 games I wanted. He offered 120 for the PS4 Slim and 20 for the PS2 fat. The offer for the PS4, maybe sounds fair. But the PS2 offer is what is making me change gears on all of this.

He can't tell me again that he has difficulty selling PS2s because he sells those for 50 a pop, regardless of model and they fly off the shelf. I go in, see one, I come back in a day later or an hour later - gone. So, I think I'm going to not give him anymore systems and drop the PS4 Pro idea. I'll find someone who'll sell a Pro down the road for at least a manageable price point, eventually.

And while I was browsing about on EBay to find me some PS3 games I'd want to have like Dante's Inferno, I see a copy going for $5,000. I thought "oh...one of you" because the image of that listing had a graded shell on it and all these fancy holo graphics and the grade of the condition that's entirely made up. I went out of my way to message this seller and straight up tell him off to first get his attention. Then it boiled down to a debate with a greedy reseller because I've been in the used video games market for 10 years of my life, I've done business here and I've been partially influenced by some of the users who has done business here. In otherwords, I know enough to know a phony reseller and their practices out in the open than most don't. So we debated about this, a pretty heated one at that and all that he can ever go on about is gloating about the hustling market and how I'm supposedly jealous that I won't be able to sell a graded game to make $5,000 blah, blah, blah.

Well, you know, I have a sealed copy of Nioh 2 for PS4. I could do the same exact thing that scammer does but I'm not going to because the whole WATA and graded system for games thing is managed by a bunch of greedy hustlers running auctions made for and ran by rich people. They've long been damaging the marketplace with their practices by inflating the values of games beyond what they would realistically be valued for. It is infuriating to see and no, I'm not jealous about it because I'm not a greedy fudging reseller who uses an elementary school grading system to artificially inflate the values of games. So, I just again told the reseller off and ignored him. He responded like 2 times in the past hour since I last sent mine and I'm ignoring it because I'm disgusted how he justifies this bullcrap.

Being in the retro game market can have it's perks but it's mostly dominated by scammers and scalpers who's been gaming a good hobby, the same way cryptominers have damaged the GPU marketplace. Absolutely disgraceful.
Kommie
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15-Feb(#41)
Find of the Week thread is basically "Look what I'm gonna re-sell on eBay!" thread.
Cevil
Gold Good Trader
* 15-Feb(#42)
Completely agree with @benstylus on fakes and that there are still plenty of games at affordable prices. The problem I have with fakes isn't so much that it's fraud but more so that it's a waste of money and pointless to own a fake. There's no satisfaction and you might as well just emulate.

Just a few cheap games that come to mind would be the Elder Scroll Series which are all cheap, Ty the Tasmanian Tiger series, and Beetle Adventure racing (N64). And there are lots more of course. And a quick note, just because a game is collectable and expensive doesn't mean it's worth your time. A lot of expensive retro games just kind of suck and are mind-numbingly difficult and are probably games you'll put down and never play again after like 5 hours. Are they really worth it?

@Kommie maybe but as for myself I don't use ebay and a lot of what I've found locally I've traded on here. I have lots more that I haven't listed because I'm moving soon and haven't consolidated all of it. (My gaming stuff is split up between a few places)

Gypsy
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15-Feb(#43)
Kommie wrote:
> Find of the Week thread is basically "Look what I'm gonna re-sell on eBay!" thread.

I've had a lot of good transactions buying and selling from that thread but I get what you mean lol.
benstylus
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15-Feb(#44)
Cevil wrote:
> Completely agree with @benstylus on fakes and that there are still plenty of games
> at affordable prices. The problem I have with fakes isn't so much that it's fraud

Tell that to the ebay sellers with 20+ "brand new" cart only copies of games like order of ecclesia DS shipping from China.

I bet 99% of the people buying them don't know any better and are being defrauded


Gypsy
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15-Feb(#45)
benstylus wrote:
> Cevil wrote:
>> Completely agree with @benstylus on fakes and that there are still plenty of games
>> at affordable prices. The problem I have with fakes isn't so much that it's fraud
>
> Tell that to the ebay sellers with 20+ "brand new" cart only copies of games like
> order of ecclesia DS shipping from China.
>
> I bet 99% of the people buying them don't know any better and are being defrauded
>
>
>
>

Same with the anime bluray bootleggers that have popped up. Literally just putting a torrent on blank blurays and printing some artwork. Disgusting.
Cevil
Gold Good Trader
15-Feb(#46)
@benstylus I agree, it is fraud and very sickening. A lot of people are getting scammed. In my head when I think of fakes my initial objection is that their just pointless, is what I meant.
DarkFact
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15-Feb(#47)
My first few orders from Amazon were Slayers DVD box sets. It didn't take me long to figure out they were Hong Kong ripoffs even without knowing what the hell that meant (other than someone on a Ragnarok Online shard shipping me DVD-R copies of the entire Yugioh series, wherein they call Mokuba "Wooden Horse" and Yami "King of Games"). I'm sure most people back then didn't know any better and just thought video quality was dook and subtitles were done by unpaid interns
SupremeSarna
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15-Feb(#48)
What, you don't have $1600 to drop on a bad Flintstones game?
sailorneorune
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15-Feb(#49)
SupremeSarna wrote:
> What, you don't have $1600 to drop on a bad Flintstones game?

No, because I can buy at least a couple dozen good games for that, more so if you include Virtual Console or PSN Classics.


Damian254
Triple Gold Good Trader
15-Feb(#50)

> It IS a criminal act. It is called Fraud.
>
> Repros are just the new fancy term for pirated copies of games, but what makes them
> worse is they tend to look more authentic.
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This is absolutely correct. I don't care for emulation, but I would much rather someone do that than pay money for repros. All it does is prop up con artists
razeak
Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 9 Reviews
* 18-Feb(#51)
I can't ever shake the feeling something is off when I emulate in the sense that it's not on original hardware. That and I can feel a difference in some games. Even playing Super Mario Bros. on WiiU or Switch the jump just doesn't feel right.

That doesn't mean I don't have great fun emulating when I do, but it's less for action type games to me, which means I rarely settle for emulation unless there is just not any other way to do it.
Lunar
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18-Feb(#52)
razeak wrote:
> I can't ever shake the feeling something is off when I emulate in the sense that
> it's not on original hardware. That and I can feel a difference in some games. Even
> playing Super Mario Bros. on WiiU or Switch the jump just doesn't feel right.

That's input latency. You sort of have the feeling Mario has on Iron Boots.

> That doesn't mean I don't have great fun emulating when I do, but it's less for action
> type games to me, which means I rarely settle for emulation unless there is just
> not any other way to do it.

Emulation is getting alot better these days.

razeak
Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 9 Reviews
18-Feb(#53)
Lunar wrote:
> razeak wrote:
>> I can't ever shake the feeling something is off when I emulate in the sense that
>> it's not on original hardware. That and I can feel a difference in some games.
> Even
>> playing Super Mario Bros. on WiiU or Switch the jump just doesn't feel right.
>
> That's input latency. You sort of have the feeling Mario has on Iron Boots.
>
>> That doesn't mean I don't have great fun emulating when I do, but it's less for
> action
>> type games to me, which means I rarely settle for emulation unless there is just
>> not any other way to do it.
>
> Emulation is getting alot better these days.
>
>

Right. The Switch version feels particularly bad to me. It takes me a level or two to adjust 35 years of muscle memory lol.
Lunar
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* 18-Feb(#54)
TVs do matter though. Maybe see if you have a Game Mode or something similar on your TV. Playing on the Switch screen is fine.

razeak
Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 9 Reviews
18-Feb(#55)
yeah. feels off on the swtich screen to me. Wiiu gamepad even more.
Staraang
Triple Gold Good Trader
18-Feb(#56)
Do you guys feel the latency on every emulator you use? I have a SNES Classic mini and I honestly cannot tell the difference between it and an original SNES. I don't know if this is because I've forgotten what it used to feel like back in the day or if I'm simply not sensitive to it. And this is across all kinds of games including SMW, F-Zero, SF2, etc. Maybe I need to do a side by side comparison but I just don't care enough to do that right now.
Lunar
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18-Feb(#57)
The SNES mini is very good.

Recently I picked up a Retroid Pocket 2 here and it's got significant latency.

flamingtoastjpn
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* 18-Feb(#58)
If you're really sensitive to latency, consider going with an FPGA emulation option rather than software emulation. The MiSTer is the most affordable option if you don't mind ROMs. I will personally vouch for Analogue's products as well, but they're really only worth it if you have a cartridge collection.

Modern flat screens are pretty much just as good as CRT's on "game mode" or whatever they call the latency reduction settings nowadays.

There's a lot of ways you can try reducing latency. The emulator itself, the controller (wired vs wireless, or 2.4g vs bluetooth), and screen, etc. in my experience, sometimes the first party emulation options are lazily made and poor experiences because that's the easy legal way to emulate and companies figure they'll sell copies no matter what (looking at you, nintendo)
Lunar
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18-Feb(#59)
De10 nano is $220+ now. Mister sadly is not cheap anymore.

flamingtoastjpn
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18-Feb(#60)
Lunar wrote:
> De10 nano is $220+ now. Mister sadly is not cheap anymore.
>
>

Very good point, de10 nano used to be $120 or so if I'm remembering right. FPGA prices kinda suck right now with the chip shortage. I'm in grad school for electrical engineering and the old "cheap" FPGA used in our labs is now like $500 without the education discount. Just insanity.

Hopefully prices drop over the next 2-3 years
benstylus
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18-Feb(#61)
flamingtoastjpn wrote:
> Hopefully prices drop over the next 2-3 years

Just like game prices have

flamingtoastjpn
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18-Feb(#62)
benstylus wrote:
> flamingtoastjpn wrote:
>> Hopefully prices drop over the next 2-3 years
>
> Just like game prices have
>
>

I'm gonna cover my ears and be blindly optimistic

Lalala I can't hear you
Cevil
Gold Good Trader
18-Feb(#63)
Ignorance is bliss as they say.
SupremeSarna
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* 19-Feb(#64)
razeak wrote:
> yeah. feels off on the swtich screen to me. Wiiu gamepad even more.

I downloaded a certain unnamed NES game on my Wii U last night. Whenever I'd die, the screen would change and for whatever reason, the blackground would have to slowly change to be that color. It started red and turned blue before turning black. Pretty odd, and definitely inaccurate to the original game.
razeak
Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 9 Reviews
21-Feb(#65)
I never noticed latency on the SNES classic. I don't think I've ever fired up Super Mario World though. Now I'm curious.
DarkFact
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* 21-Feb(#66)
SNESC is pretty low latency. NES Classic audio latency was frickin' atrocious
sailorneorune
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* 21-Feb(#67)
Went to a local shop today; someone traded in a bunch of NES games, including a former rental copy of Wacky Races. I felt my blood pressure go up as they were being priced out. I got OK prices on what I picked up (which, needless to say, did not include Wacky Races). If you're in southern Indiana, and want to try to pick it up though, it's still at Book Broker... soon to be on eBay. (Call them first; tell them the Cooleys sent you and we apologize in advance). #ugh

Cevil
Gold Good Trader
21-Feb(#68)
What'd you get?
sailorneorune
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* 21-Feb(#69)
Air Fortress, Yoshi's Cookie, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 & 3 (all cart only, except TMNT 3 which has the manual)

Also picked up Super Mario All-Stars because why not.

Fitz
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22-Feb(#70)
I still keep holding out to get rule of rose for a decent price but the longer I wait the more it goes up on ebay frown
sailorneorune
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22-Feb(#71)
Atlus has been a 4-letter word for game collectors for years, but I hoped against hope that they wouldn't, you know, look up eBay prices right in front of me for Wacky Races. I can only imagine what my blood pressure would have jumped to if they did have Rule of Rose.


benstylus
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22-Feb(#72)
I still think you are overreacting to them looking up ebay prices.

If they just slapped a ten dollar price tag on all of them, someone else would find it, snatch it up, and it would probably end up on eBay just the same. I'd rather Book Broker get the money than some random Evansvillain.

Cevil
Gold Good Trader
22-Feb(#73)
Is rule of rose actually any good tho
Boss
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22-Feb(#74)
Gone are the days of finding video game treasures in the wild.
Cevil
Gold Good Trader
22-Feb(#75)
@Boss Yeah can't really argue with that. Though I have found some awesome stuff the last couple years I just generally prefer not to share.
Lunar
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22-Feb(#76)
There's still stuff out there. Just not as ubiquitous as before.

Makes sense as video game collecting is much more mainstream and well known now.

Gypsy
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22-Feb(#77)
Fitz wrote:
> I still keep holding out to get rule of rose for a decent price but the longer I
> wait the more it goes up on ebay frown

It sucks but the general rule now is if you really want it to buy it because it's not going to get better on old stuff.

Cevil wrote:
> @Boss Yeah can't really argue with that. Though I have found some awesome stuff the
> last couple years I just generally prefer not to share.

When I was really active about game hunting I would post all my finds. The negs fueled me.
Cevil
Gold Good Trader
22-Feb(#78)
It's not that the salty negs bother me, it's just I prefer not to waste my time. what's the point? But it's been a while since I posted something so maybe I will. @Gypsy
Gypsy
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22-Feb(#79)
Cevil wrote:
> It's not that the salty negs bother me, it's just I prefer not to waste my time.
> what's the point? But it's been a while since I posted something so maybe I will.
> @Gypsy

I like sharing pics and seeing what other people get too. I used to plus all the cool finds when I still had scoring turned on. I've bought and sold things posted there a fair bit. Most recent was a DVD set from @Foxhack
Gypsy
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* 5-Mar(#80)
Prices are so crazy now and it's getting harder and harder to find good condition cardboard even available.

Pended a trade last night and the values on the old stuff, just wow really. Doubled from even 2 years ago.

ETA: Awesome trade that I am very happy with to be clear, the money values are just :|
ChronoLe
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11-Mar(#81)
@Gypsy The premium on crispy boxes is real. Although I do feal like the prices have at least started to stabilize on most items. If you look at the price charting peak around September 2021, many cibs have come down significantly in price. Snes cib Chrono Trigger is a great example as I moved a few copies last year. Peak average at 1K; now you can get similar copies for significantly less. Not saying this is great by any means, prices are still ridiculous, but there seems to be a slight correction or leveling off.

Topic   Being in the Retro Game Market is just depressing