Thread Description This thread was originally created to encourage traders here at GTZ to do more trading, especially retro related stuff. It has turned into a lot more and I am so grateful to everyone who contributed to this thread and have kept it going for nearly 6 months now. I hope this thread will continue to thrive and everyone who reads/participates in this thread will gain some value or knowledge out of it.
We will still have Trade lists up here, though it's been a while since anyone updated. I encourage everyone to look over their lists and post updates. There is also a section for gorgeous pictures of game rooms that active participants of this thread have shared. Feel free to share some pics of your collection or game room. I will be adding another section for information regarding video quality of retro gaming systems on modern displays and how to improve them. There is rather some extensive discussion regarding how to improve the display quality of retro gaming systems and if you are new to this like I am, you will find it very informative.
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GTZ has become a marketplace where the most commonly traded commodity is . I want to start an effort to get some trades going and to discuss some good games perhaps you never heard of or interested in but want to discover/know more of. For example, I just got intto shmups after years of ignoring the genre and I love to discover new(to me) and rediscover old ones(Sonic Wings comes to mind).
No pressure here. Feel free to discuss anything retro. Perhaps throw out some WTTF targets and what you have to offer. I am sick of browsing people's year old Available lists.
- WTTF/WTB/LF - What you think is awesome game/series/whatever - Potential games you have up for trade - Pics of what you have/what you would love to get/what you think is the bestest awesomest game ever - Show off your latest finds/adds to your collection
> I played Ninja Gaiden this afternoon cause you guys were talking about it and just
> shut it off the first time I died at the end. Fudge NES games who plays this crap
The punish in NG is real. NG2 was... well, it was easier in terms of the reset distance, but the stage area leading up to the final boss is such a dog it doesn't even matter. I tell you what though, by the time you finish that game you're a fudging wizard at the last stage, knowing where to purposely take a hit to clear a further embattled area easier, what items to get and what to ignore, it's crazy. I discovered glitches in NG to make ever-spawn enemies just vanish, like in Looper.
Ninja Gaiden is actually one of the first games I can remember beating, with Zelda II and Super Mario Bros. being the other two. I played Zelda II again last year and couldn't beat it, lol. It would probably be the same deal if I tried playing NG again. I don't think I ever finished either of the sequels. Maybe I will give those a try. (On the 3DS, so I can "cheat" )
The key with Ninja Gaiden is finding the spinslash subweapon. It one-hits everything including all bosses before Jaquio. It's still a round game regardless, mostly because of ninpo management and trolly enemy spawns, but it's better than without it.
> The key with Ninja Gaiden is finding the spinslash subweapon. It one-hits everything
> including all bosses before Jaquio. It's still a round game regardless, mostly because
> of ninpo management and trolly enemy spawns, but it's better than without it.
I didn't realize this, and when I did realize it, I kinda ignored it out of habit. My mind is trained to ditch it as soon as possible since it's such a Ninpo vampire and I'm always slashing every item as I come across it anyways. For grins and giggles I did one-shot the first boss a week ago, kinda hemmed and went about my business.
It was on sale for... $26 I think on Steam, figured why not.
First death was annoying. Started getting it after that but the longer I keep looking for elements to keep myself alive and keep my mining tools alive so I can search for parts to fix all my busted crap I'm like "Now, do I really want to do this again and again and again for another 20, 50 hours?" The answer at the moment is "Nah, fudge that I'm good dawg"
Current projects include funding some kids sport stuff..building or buying a pc in the i5/GTX range (looking at alienware alpha but think I can build for considerably less with comparable specs from what I've been youtubing), preordering OneX, and a switch. Preference to sales but for this group trades/combos always considered.
Here's what i got.. most is in nice condition, will confirm conditions on interest and can get pics.
Ace Combat 4 (gh)(x2) Ace combat 5 (gh) Ace combat zero Arc the lad end of darkness (no manual) Ar Tonelico Melody of Elemia (not LE set) Ar Tonelico 2 melody of metafalica (not LE set) Atelier iris eternal mana Atelier iris azoth of destiny Atelier iris 3 grand phantasm Baldurs gate dark alliance (gh, no manual) Baldurs Gate Dark alliance 2 Barbie horse adventures (lol, yes, was daughters lol) Baroque Breath of fire dragon quafter Champions of norrath Chaos Wars Culdcept .hack infection .hack mutation .hack outbreak .hack quarantine Dragon quest 8 (outer box wear, has ff12 demo) Dual hearts Ephemeral fantasia Eternal poison (w/soundtrack, some wear) Eternal wing Evergrace Final fantasy x-2 (gh) Front Mission Grandia 2 Gungrave (disc only, free with other stuff) Inuyasha the secret of the Cursed Mask Jade Cocoon 2 Jak and daxter lost frontier LA pucelle tactics LOK: Soul reaver 2 Legaia 2 duel saga Maka kingdom chronicles of the sacred tome Mana khemia 2 (LE with soundtrack/sticker on outerbox) Magna carta tears of blood(not LE set) Metal gear solid 2 Metal saga Naruto uzumaki chronicles (wear) Naruto ultimate ninja (gh, wear) Phantom brave (with soundtrack) Radiata Stories Romance of the three kingdoms 7 Romance of the three kingdoms 8 Romance of the three kingdoms 10 Romance of the three kingdoms 11 Romancing saga Samurai Legend Musashi Shadow hearts Shadow hearts covenant Shadow hearts from the new world Shining force neo Shining Force EXA Shining Tears Soul calibur 3 Soul nomad and the world eaters Steambot chronicles Summoner (no manual, free with other stuff) Summoner 2 Suikoden 4 Suikoden 5 Suikoden tactics Tales of Legendia Tekken tag tournament Tekken 4 (gh) Tekken 5 Tekken death by degrees Unlimited saga Valkyrie profile 2 silmeria Wild arms alter code f Wild arms 4 Wild arms 5 (no outer slip) Xemosaga 1 Xenosaga 2 Xenosaga 3 Ys ark of napishtim (gamestop case)
Will be adding some fillerish stuff to available list but wanted to list the heavy hitters and notable stuff here.
Mixed emotions..I worked and searched more on ps2 than probably any other part of my collection..but I know they will get good homes, and I need the space.
As usual this thread flies at times so pm me or whatever.
No not something cuting edge.. maybe a mid to pretty decent i5 with a GTX, that 980 would probably be perfect..the gtx family can use nvidia game stream with the shield tv. (And emulate ps2 like a beast)
OMG that sonG lol
The kids will wanna play minecraft on it too but that surely doesn't need much power. Will play some steam.on maybe quite a bit of it over the stream to tv but not like the witcher 3 or anything like that. I don't plan to spend a lot on a monitor so plan on playing games on my tv.
Dell has an alienware I customized up for 749.. but I think I could part it out for a lot less but I have never built one out of nothing but I've added pieces to several computers over the years. I may just go the preassembled I want it to be right and ive never wired mobo's or anything that deep and not as on touch with such things as I was and it sounds time consuming to shop and order and build. I think I've got enough here to fund it anyway lol
Just got back home from MO Game Con in St Louis area. Didn't make it for both days like I had hoped as we had a family emergency come up. Anywho, pretty good turnout overall, nice to meet some YouTubers (My Life in Gaming, Radical Reggie, Kelsey, John Riggs), saw the Nintendo Playstation, played some SF2 on it (famicom cart). Met Leisure Suit Larry and Kings Quest designer guy, Al Lowe. The vendors were all very friendly and talkative, most of them even listened in return.
Yep, all good and all boxed games are complete. I almost came home with SCAT, Gotcha Force, Splatterhouse 3 and Crusaders of Centy but we couldn't come to an agreement on those. CoC was the toughest loss, even though the box was really crushed they wouldn't budge off of $500 value. I could have justified $400 in a trade but that wasn't enough to get it done.
Niiice. Tatsujin and Super Aleste are both fantastic shooties. A shame on Centy but sometimes people don't REALLY want to move something yet and/or they sunk in too much to get it and don't want to take a loss.
Both of those have been on my wantlist for quite a while, just never really had an opportunity to get a trade for them. I've already fired them up and played a bit of both. :) Honestly, I think I was most excited to finally get a CIB Real American Hero, I've had the cart and instructions for a long time but that stupid box is crazy hard to find. My thinking as well that they probably had too much in CoC or needed a cash only sale on that one.
There was one booth that had a bunch of tough/expensive NES CIB games they were selling a large collection for Alzheimer's. The guy running the booth was telling me about it and mentioned coming back to MO later this fall to do a walk/run event for his charity. He tells me the town and company name and just so happens, it's where I work. I said, feel free to bring some games with ya on that trip!
Yeah I can't imagine many people that have those two would want to trade them. Plenty of people that would sell them, but trading for great games can be difficult. I've had both of them, but Japanese carts because $$.
I want an Atari Jaguar. I remember going to Babbage's when I was a kid and seeing it behind the counter and thinking it was the coolest thing ever. Looking on Youtube I do not see many decent games for the system. Plus the price seems pretty out of wack right now. Anyone recommend this thing?
> I'll spoiler tag this even though I'd never do it this way, but I love the way Bit
> Brigade gets past this platform that Lunar died a couple times on:
There's a few spots in NG2 where it's just best to take a tactical hit to just clear the jump.
@RobotVendingMachine Jaguar has the best version (not home conversion, version) of Wolfenstein 3D. AvP is awesome, as is Tempest 2000, Doom to some extent (without music it makes me sad!), Raiden's a terrible game but it's got a great port on Jag, Attack of the Mutant Penguins is fun and unique, and really can't recommend much of anything else. Even if there were, none of those equals the price tag of a jaguar or those games.
Gotta tell you, I'm a big fudging fan of companies and people who take someone else's free fanwork and slap a fudging price tag on it. Just makes the creators SO much more likely to want to do that sort of thing again, right? [redacted].
> Gotta tell you, I'm a big fudging fan of companies and people who take someone else's
> free fanwork and slap a fudging price tag on it. Just makes the creators SO much
> more likely to want to do that sort of thing again, right? [redacted].
Remember that time Tobias sold PCE fan projects? Also remember that time he included one as a "free gift" but really it was a total part of the package and he really was selling fan translations? Remember that time Tobias...
One of my old WoW buddies shipped me an absolutely beautiful boxed copy of Air Fortress for my birthday, looks like it was recently opened or something, all the sheen's there and it's dentless. Missing the manual but it's got a poster or something, best looking game on my shelf.
So I got tired of reading how hard ninja gaiden is and not even playing it so I tried it and I got all the way up to 3-2 and my nes freezes (second time today) ...... Maybe I'll try again later but talk about a cheap game over!
Nice! I haven't checked out your videos yet so I had to go off memory mostly but it was easier than I remembered if that makes sense. I haven't played it in like over 20 years until today? Probably over 25 actually once snes and sf2 and mk2 I mostly focused on snes.
But it reminds me of a mix between castlevania and super meat boy now. Mostly control wise. But the weapons remind me of castlevania for sure with slightly more forgiving controls especially on jumps.
@Lunar does the snes trilogy have better graphics and sound than the nes? I noticed disappearing enemies when too many were on screen at once. That was annoying.
> Bad knee day today. I'll spare the details but every now and then my right knee really
> acts up from an old childhood injury.
I'm not looking forward to my left foot aging, someone decided to show me a scissor sweep in the 6th grade without my permission during recess, snapped the foot at the ankle. I was in an imobilzing cast for 3 months and a walking cast for another 3 months, they were afraid he hit the growth plates and I was gonna have a gimp baby foot forever, but after they took out the pins and I growed all up n stuff it was fine, but I already feel changes in the weather. And sometimes my foot kinda gives out and moves to the side a bit, and I generally almost faceplant when it happens.
You can use and emulator or a real console with a capture card. OBS basically captures anything it recognizes as video or audio. For console, you get a USB capture card that takes in AV (or HDMI if you like that newfangled technology), plug into your computer and have it capture in OBS. OBS then connects to your Twitch account through an authentication key. To be able to stream and see the game on your TV at the same time, either use a splitter or a monitor out if your TV supports that.
> So you have to manually transition between thingies? I always thought it was more
> magical than that.
I cheat and emulate. Nice clean pixies, zilch cost.
@sharif I'm pretty decent at wall climbs, I just don't know where to do them (I've seen a few performed, like that normally-a-three-point-jump thing Lunar was struggling with where I linked a pic with one of the ADs drawing it out for Arino on the whiteboard)
Emulation and console games you pretty much have to do it manually (NG it actually said no auto split was available, which should be one of the simplest to auto split for I would THINK), that's why when you hear someone speedrunning something you'll often hear them smash space when the split happens, and when they say "I may have split late/early" at the end of a run.
Okay well I'm guessing it's kind of rare and expensive so even though I love the nes ninja gaidens at least the first and what I remember of the second it's not like I'm going to get a copy to compare any time soon.
So I'm up to 6-2 but that's where I gotta stop for tonight. I have a hard time sleeping when I worry and all this crap this weekend with all those fascist pieces of trash I keep waking up worried about things. I can't even explain it why I can't turn my mind off from negativity. I wish I could only think about things that directly involve me but ..... Anyways maybe I'll pass ninja gaiden tomorrow if my nes can behave long enough I have a headache though it's just not worth it tonight.
Thanks for getting me back into this game though guys its a lot of fun.
> @Lunar does the snes trilogy have better graphics and sound than the nes? I noticed
> disappearing enemies when too many were on screen at once. That was annoying.
I'll take a stab at it @Lunar. Unfortunate side-effect of sprite limits on NES with the disappearing dudes, but frankly this usually only happens with flicker and 30fps transcoding during broadcasts, rarely do enemies just vanish when playing. I've played the Trilogy on SNES and ...I wouldn't say the graphics are "better", more like they used different colors and a couple more colors than the NES, but frankly I think it looks substantially worse. I don't recall off the top of my head what specifically about the Trilogy pissed me off (other than the price for the quality of product you get) but I couldn't point to one thing and say "That's better in this". As a side-effect of being on SNES, I'm sure there's less sprite flicker, so there's that.
Off the top of my head, the cutscenes are broken, the music is way way worse, and it didn't control properly.
>> @Lunar does the snes trilogy have better graphics and sound than the nes? I noticed
>> disappearing enemies when too many were on screen at once. That was annoying.
> I'll take a stab at it @Lunar. Unfortunate side-effect of sprite limits on NES with
> the disappearing dudes, but frankly this usually only happens with flicker and 30fps
> transcoding during broadcasts, rarely do enemies just vanish when playing. I've
> played the Trilogy on SNES and ...I wouldn't say the graphics are "better", more
> like they used different colors and a couple more colors than the NES, but frankly
> I think it looks substantially worse. I don't recall off the top of my head what
> specifically about the Trilogy pissed me off (other than the price for the quality
> of product you get) but I couldn't point to one thing and say "That's better in this".
> As a side-effect of being on SNES, I'm sure there's less sprite flicker, so there's
> Off the top of my head, the cutscenes are broken, the music is way way worse, and
> it didn't control properly.
Well they didn't completely disappear but yeah I guess flicker would be a much better term. It was like they were flashing during gameplay. Or "flickering".
I love great graphics just as much as I love great art in a video game. The cut scenes during Ninja Gaiden and the way that these backgrounds look while not necessarily "great graphics" they kind of are because this game outside of level 1 is kind of beautiful despite its 8 bit limitations.
Also @DiamondDave thanks for the heads up about the snes trilogy, it sounds like they messed it up especially if the controls are off. It doesn't mean I won't ever want to play it but I'm not as interested as before now.
I'll probably do a bit of streaming on it tonight perhaps, see how long I can stomach it. I remember it making me legitimately angry that it was so poorly put together, probably because I hold NG up on a particularly high pedestal because it's such a tight, consistent gaming experience for me.
@DefaultGen what the hell? Is that Samurai Showdown?!? I always liked either Tam Tam or his sister Cham Cham the best depending on if I was playing the first or second game, if that is Samurai Showdown that is lol.
I actually love the presentation of thr NG cut scenes. And i think what people perceive as quality of graphis is what they grew up on. I happen to think NG graphics are pretty awesome. Though my RPG graphic threshold has to be at least 16 bit.
> I'll probably do a bit of streaming on it tonight perhaps, see how long I can stomach
> it. I remember it making me legitimately angry that it was so poorly put together,
> probably because I hold NG up on a particularly high pedestal because it's such a
> tight, consistent gaming experience for me.
Nice! And I agree that the original game on Nes especially compared to other nes games of the time is very unique in how well it played and controlled. I haven't played the second game at all in 20+ years either but I remembered liking it a lot as well.
I don't know if you ever played ninja gaiden in the arcades but despite better graphics (again subjective since I like the nes graphics better despite obviously more powerful arcade hardware capabilities) in comparison to the nes version it's an inferior game as far as I'm concerned. There were some neat ideas which were kinda gimmicky to me, like I think I remember climbing across levels while grabbing pipes or conduits overhead lol. But the actual implementation of it during gameplay was just for show really, kind of useless. I could be remembering this all wrong though, so don't hold me to it in the off chance I'm thinking of the wrong game.
Ooh, man, I've got so many NG stream ideas now. Did you guys know NG was released in Japan on PC Engine? And that it had a built-in English translation? That was BETTER than the NES translation?
A lot changed including the music, and it's a bit broken (they couldn't properly pull off parallax scrolling in the background so it looks super messed up, but they fixed some of the weird perspective issues in the graphics on the NES version) but it's certainly interesting! Might even try to throw in some commentary as I play that one, we'll see.
I never really could enjoy the arcade game; with the NES version being my basis of origin, the Arcade game was so wildly different. Had a super sick continue screen though.
You hardcore NGers with your terms...slash canceling? Jump climbing?(I think I have an idea what this is.) Splitting pedals? Wut the wat?
Only particular wall jumping part I remember that was difficult was the part where you hace to jump to a lower wall to jump to the next platform which was hard because you can easily miss and die. And also there was a bird fluttering about that could kill you if you fail too many attempts.
You were doing jump climbing in your playthrough (you know, kinda!) when you had to jump to the side and quickly move back to move up a vertical wall instead of into a hole. That three-point jump you struggled with, you can actually bypass by jump climbing high enough on the upper wall until you just phase through it, but you've gotta be quick and it honestly only saves a second or two if you've got the three point down.
Slash cancelling lets you slash multiple times in one jump. Mid-jump hold down, slash, release down, repeat rapidly.
Jump climb's more consistent however, which is what speed runners want. You bone that three point jump or get unlucky with an enemy spawn and your speed run is over.
Personally I don't use it, three point's doable, and I don't slash cancel out of stubbornness. May try to learn it but not concerned about it at this point since the only enemies it's useful for are the bosses and the spin jump is a superior solution that I think works on every boss in the game.
I usually can't get into the arcade versions of games that are so different than their home ports. A local barcade got a Guerrilla War but I just want to play the NES version. Gimme that arcade Shinobi though.
> Well they didn't completely disappear but yeah I guess flicker would be a much better
> term. It was like they were flashing during gameplay. Or "flickering".
If the enemies are flickering too much maybe you should kill more of them so they're no longer on screen!
> You hardcore NGers with your terms...slash canceling? Jump climbing?(I think I have
> an idea what this is.) Splitting pedals? Wut the wat?
> I actually love the presentation of thr NG cut scenes. And i think what people perceive
> as quality of graphis is what they grew up on. I happen to think NG graphics are
> pretty awesome. Though my RPG graphic threshold has to be at least 16 bit.
No those cut scenes really are fairly high quality, in all sincerity. They took very limited memory and got a ton of decent story and really good almost cinematic presentation for an 8 bit system. It's surprising how well this game has held up.
People don't even try anymore I sometimes feel like.
Also I do like old school RPGs, again I prefer the nes dragon warriors (at least 1and 2 since I don't know that I ever played 3 and 4) and the Genesis Shining Force games over pretty much any other old school RPGs, it's partially nostalgia I'm sure but also the fight interfaces too. Probably like how I prefer Microsoft Windows over most Apple stuff. (As I'm typing this message on my iPhone lol)
But yeah the over worlds in a lot of old RPGs look like garbage but they are meant to be that way, it's a means to an end. They want you to see as much of the world you are traveling at a time so you know where you're going. I'm surprised just how many games still use this exact method in RPGs to this day lol. Almost like it's not a real rpg if you don't have a world map the same way it was in dragon warrior lol. I'm still wanting to pop in dragon warrior again soon but I'm going to keep Ninja Gaiden in there while the Nes is still working fine to hopefully pass it before I try any other games.
If you want to know how much time you need to play to get WR good, the current WR holder as of May had 27 thousand attempts before hitting his time. And that's just times he spent tracking it with LiveSplit.
It's definitely a Ninpo vampire, unfortunate considering it one-shots most of the obnoxious bosses. I like hitting as many of the candles as possible since I generally ignore items (small star versus windmill? Only care about 1/20 times)
You should check out the WR by Arcus, you can see the kind of gross crap you can do with slash cancels on Jaquio form 2.
The any% speedrun absolutely requires spinslash and ninpo management because it saves SO much time on all the bosses. It does one damage PER FRAME so it literally one-shots everything in the game. The only reason you can't use it against Jaquio or the Demon is because they zap your ninpo before the Jaquio fight.
Long as you're willing to make the trek alllllll the way back and admit you suck and pay the price. I think 95% of people just pause the game after the Stage 6 reset, stare at the screen in disbelief for about 30 seconds, then turn off the system.
> Also its worth to mention i haven't used spin slash at all because i hate it. I have
> a habit of slashing whenever i jump and spinslash eats up MP
This exactly, I seriously dislike the spin slash sub weapon. I prefer the midair normal slashes and I like using my boomerang ninja star like a shield for jumping around while not trying to kill every enemy.
I think I can only slash twice in a jump but it's not against bosses. And jump climbing is pretty cool actually I learned how to jump climb pretty decent from all my super meat boy gaming. If you want to be a better speed runner or even shave some time off of your other platforming streams you need to start playing super meat boy. It will improve your ability to play any other platformers faster. It's one of the tightest controlling games I've ever played with split second accuracy and it's just a lot of fun but frustrating as hell until you "level up" your skills while playing 😊
> This has been a fun week of the retro trade thread book club. What's our game next
I say we stick with Ninja Gaiden until like @DiamondDave puts it, someone makes their mark.
When the guys from gamefaqs and I all put our skills and thoughts together to beat most of those mini games from WTF on psp we got a lot accomplished. I think @Lunar or @DiamondDave could bump number 82 off that list or come up with some other game techniques or something.
I'm sure even after all these years there's more little secrets hidden in this game. I'm not sure what but it's an older game and technology wasn't anywhere near where it is today. So there's probably some Easter eggs left unfound as of yet.
A 20 minute NG run is totally doable with enough practice. The game controls well and there isn't a ton of randomness (apart from the hammer bros). Consistency will get you a sub-20 time. Note, I've never actually run the game, although I've beaten it casually. I run actual good NES games, like Barbie and Paperboy.
Im doing contra this weekend, should be real quick though. Just gonna be trying to beat it without continues
For NG, i should be able to get under an hour without much more practice since looking at my last run i can easily see where i can improve. I also wasted a few minutes in the intro and added a couple near the end
Well if it makes you happy and you have a world record that's pretty cool, and yeah I think I should get a copy of nes Barbie. I get annoyed with the graphics on the gameboy too easy.
Speaking of which do you run your gameboy speed runs on the super gameboy or one of the retrons or something? Like I couldn't imagine an actual gameboy or gameboy advance would be possible to record but I don't know really.
I have to say, I'm looking through Dugongue runs to see what a normal play through of a game looks like. I was curious how far dying to the final boss in NG2 set you back but of course all the runs on Youtube and Speedrun are perfect. EXCEPT ONE.
> |>> So can video streams to youtube serve as evidence on that speedrun site?
>> Only if you cut a highlight from it and upload. I don't know how easy that is
>> do with YouTube streams but it's trivial for Twitch.
> What do you mean cut a highlight? Are the times verified by a mod?
Using the entire stream as speedrun proof is way too broad. On Twitch you can take a clip of the entire stream, which would be the run in question, and give it a permalink. That's what a highlight is.
Each game has game-specific mods, who are people who ostensibly know a lot about the game and can verify the legitimacy of the submitted run. It usually only takes a day or two to get a run verified with good mods.
> Gredler wrote:
>> Are any of you guys hopping onto sonic mania? I am considering it, looks good
>> I'd like to support the team who made it
> Waiting for a physical copy. If I wait and it never comes, there will be a Steam
> I have to say, I'm looking through Dugongue runs to see what a normal play through
> of a game looks like. I was curious how far dying to the final boss in NG2 set you
> back but of course all the runs on Youtube and Speedrun are perfect. EXCEPT ONE.
> Lol at this Dugongue guy, he's also last for Contra hmmm
I'm telling you, he has this reputation. He's actually the guy with the most runs submitted on the site at like 500 and change. He's doing only to have the most runs and for no other reason really. He's also just kind of a doucher in general. He's had at least two usernames permabanned from Twitch.
It's pretty much the cap to the first three series. Then they made a bunch of stuff that takes place in between those (I came around on 08th MS Team) and sequels that weren't entirely necessary but oh well.
> Are any of you guys hopping onto sonic mania? I am considering it, looks good and
> I'd like to support the team who made it
I bought it, and it definitely feels like a Sonic 3 sequel. Fun, but the first playthrough is pretty much guaranteed to be brutal. I told benstylus when I watched him play for a bit this morning: "MY INNER 10-YEAR-OLD IS SCREAMING". (From joy or from terror... you decide. They brought back Blue Sphere as the bonus stage.)
If you thought previous 2D Sonics were too easy, though, you'll be fine.
I don't think I've said "this is unreal." during an NG run this often. Usually smooth as butter all the way to Stage 6, awkward death or two, but the fudging SNES version always finds neat little ways to throw me off.
ANYWAYS, never meant for that to be a full run, I REALLY fudging hate the SNES version. And apparently the dropped frames were the emulator's fault, not sure what was going on, everytime I alt tabbed back it'd run at 60fps again for about a minute and a half and then stop dropping every other frame. Fudging SNES9X.
Hah, that's actually pretty cheap since the last time I picked it up. Spent ...$95 importing it I think? That was complete and this is one of those crap listings where they're like "MAYBE INSTRUCTIONS AND ARTWORK, MAYBE NOT! CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO LOOK, ROLL THE DICE jerk"
It's really not worth the price, at that point you'd be better off just getting an Everdrive (a PCE necessity if I'm being honest, it will fix your life)
Okay @Missile Ninja Gaiden (on Xbox) has all three of the nes games as unlockables it seems and Ninja Gaiden Black (on Xbox) has the Ninja Gaiden Arcade game unlockable on it so that's really cool. I guess I need a copy of each now although apparently those games are pretty difficult from what people are saying on gamefaqs and I had heard that a lot before so it's probably true.
>> Okay @Missile Ninja Gaiden (on Xbox) has all three of the nes games as unlockables
>> it seems and Ninja Gaiden Black (on Xbox) has the Ninja Gaiden Arcade game unlockable
>> on it so that's really cool. I guess I need a copy of each now although apparently
>> those games are pretty difficult from what people are saying on gamefaqs and I
>> heard that a lot before so it's probably true.
> Oh yeah, xbox ninja gaiden is brutally difficult, i've heard it said that black was
> so hard they had to fly in the developers to help play test the game because none
> of MS' testers could beat it.
Wow that's insane! Why even make the game that hard then? On the plus side one of the reviewers on gamefaqs said that Ninja Gaiden Black has so many extras to play through that you'll be busy for months doing everything.
>> Alright, lets get this NG Trilogy vomit train moving.
> I gotta check this out later tonight when my phone will let me actually. Thanks for
> posting this though 😊
So I watched until 5-3 I actually think it looks pretty good almost like they just added color to it and left it mostly as is but it did seem to be dragging when you were moving full speed to the other side of the screen. Oh and the cut scenes mostly look worse. And there was still flicker on 3-1 3-2 and 4-1 I think.
All in all there did seem to be a little slowdown at times but it did look really good and pretty responsive.
>> Okay @Missile Ninja Gaiden (on Xbox) has all three of the nes games as unlockables
>> it seems and Ninja Gaiden Black (on Xbox) has the Ninja Gaiden Arcade game unlockable
>> on it so that's really cool. I guess I need a copy of each now although apparently
>> those games are pretty difficult from what people are saying on gamefaqs and I
>> heard that a lot before so it's probably true.
> I think the unlockables are the SNES Trilogy versions
See, I had fleeting interest, and now I just want to throw up.
@BleedingViolet I promise I make that game look more responsive and okay than it is. Right from the get-go, imagine ...Super Mario World. You jump with the bottom most button and shoot fireballs with the left most button right? Almost every game follows this layout. Switch that around, bottom button now slashes and you gotta move to the right most button to jump. When looking at an NES pad it makes sense, when you've got your hands on the controller it feels super bad.
It looks like they couldn't figure out how to make the SNES do fades for stage-in or cutscenes, so that bit's bad, but if it at least didn't have to blink every scene change I could probably live with it, because the colors aren't... awful? But the music's terrible. It's all terrible. And the sound effects. Ugh
> I totally forgot about the NG games for Xbox 360. Are they any good?
Idk I had a copy of the first one but didn't get into it ..... However everything I have read about them both say they are great and I feel bad for never giving it a real chance. I guess I could say that about 90% of the games I currently own.
I have too many games I will probably never play 😐
Edit: I had the first on og Xbox nevermind lol. I've never played or heard much about the 360 games D'oh
> |>> Okay @Missile Ninja Gaiden (on Xbox) has all three of the nes games as unlockables
> |>> it seems and Ninja Gaiden Black (on Xbox) has the Ninja Gaiden Arcade game unlockable
> |>> on it so that's really cool. I guess I need a copy of each now although apparently
> |>> those games are pretty difficult from what people are saying on gamefaqs and
> |>> heard that a lot before so it's probably true.
>> I think the unlockables are the SNES Trilogy versions
> See, I had fleeting interest, and now I just want to throw up.
> @BleedingViolet I promise I make that game look more responsive and okay than it
> is. Right from the get-go, imagine ...Super Mario World. You jump with the bottom
> most button and shoot fireballs with the left most button right? Almost every game
> follows this layout. Switch that around, bottom button now slashes and you gotta
> move to the right most button to jump. When looking at an NES pad it makes sense,
> when you've got your hands on the controller it feels super bad.
> It looks like they couldn't figure out how to make the SNES do fades for stage-in
> or cutscenes, so that bit's bad, but if it at least didn't have to blink every scene
> change I could probably live with it, because the colors aren't... awful? But the
> music's terrible. It's all terrible. And the sound effects. Ugh
Yeah I'm not a huge fan of switching the buttons I'm used to but I still "want" to try it on Xbox I'm not saying I don't believe you at all I do. I'm surprised I can even get used to the nes version so quickly since I hadn't even played my nes in a month. But I have an ability to deal with terrible controls. I'm just hoping the lag isn't too terrible. And yeah that cheesy metal soundtrack .....
I dunno what Virtual Boys go for these days, but I see people proudly post "Just bought this VB for $150!" on social media and think the world has gone a little mad.
Speaking of spending money, I got this Saturn lot for ~$11 a game. Nothing crazy, but In The Hunt, Winter Heat, Sky Target, Lost World, and a few others I couldn't have realistically bought for under $20 shipped or so. No broken hinges on the cheapy stuff either. I'll take that any day.
> Oh hey, happy birthday Shadow clones are just another thing to manage. He never
> actually does anything useful unintentionally. I feel like I'm playing Uberschizoid
> if anyone even remembers that.
There's one boss in particular that's completely trivialized with the kagebushin, where if you position the clones at jump height and you are at floor level, you cut him and he jumps up, your kagebushin cuts him which brings him down which allows you to cut him and he goes up, this repeats until he dies. Also makes the Spider Lord rather simple once you get a Kagebushin in place.
Believe I had great success with one of the later final forms as well. Also those annoying enemies that chase you and are slightly faster than you, where you'd either have to jump back or slice behind you to clear them, you don't even stop now, you just jump up and cut and one of your clones just destroys them. I think they're useful! I don't like when I lose them.
Yeah, I was able to get a pretty decent deal as he was lacking the video and ac adapter. I have an extra genesis model 1 ac I can use and will grab a video cord off ebay. He basically treated it like it was just for parts since he couldnt test it, but I am pretty darn sure it works. Even if it doesnt for the price I paid it was still worth it since it came with box, controller, and manual.
> Wheels617 wrote:
>> I notice we are lacking a Jaguar icon in the thread title, I am going to look
>> one today, is it the red-headed stepchild of this thread? :)
> Someone local selling you one? I have been in the market for one as well.
I actually cheated without you guys knowing but I have to give a shout-out to @creagan for our deal today, he was willing to meet up with me since we lived pretty close to one another. Got a freebie since it was my birthday! Super cool dude, he's looking to unload his available so hit him up, I highly recommend trading with him!
> I've met...zero. However I have met up with people I know online to party in the
> past. Been awhile tho.
I'm also at zero and live in the game-event desert of the southeast USA. I'm probably most likely to meet @lpeters82 one day since he's also a pinballer and I travel further than normal to pinball events.
I've never met anyone but turns out emoryarts and I don't live far apart. We are gonna do burgers one day. Free tike for such things is a premium around here though with busy kids. Maybe next time there is a convention in Dallas I'll try and organize a meet up there are a few users in the Dallas metro. I'm about 80 miles east of Dallas.
It was just to meet up to swap trades. I would love to hang out with some of you guys. I used to travel extensively to Magic the Gathering Grand Prix's. And would meet up with some people in my MTGO online clan(lmao, when clans mattered)
Not sure if it's doable with my lifestyle now, but it'd be cool to arrange to meet at some convention.
> It was just to meet up to swap trades. I would love to hang out with some of you
> guys. I used to travel extensively to Magic the Gathering Grand Prix's. And would
> meet up with some people in my MTGO online clan(lmao, when clans mattered)
> Not sure if it's doable with my lifestyle now, but it'd be cool to arrange to meet
> at some convention.
I don't know why but I got the impression you may have been to a street fighter tournament at some point but I could just be assuming that. I guess since you don't even need to go anywhere to play people online though what's the point right?
Xbox 360 controller, stays super comfy hours in man. Trying to do slash cancelling, THAT'S ANOTHER STORY, but for 90% of my work it's fine.
For the record I got to Stage 6 in ...13 or 14 minutes, not sure because my splits were WAY the fudge off on value, it said I'd only taken six minutes to get to stage 6, but that sure as fudge wasn't me. That was with some fudging around and slash cancel practice mid-run. Sub-hour's gonna be no problem soon as we work out a way to get the spinslash to Phase 1 with some ninpo left and actually get the slash cancel down, @Lunar, I think I'm probably on track to get sub-25 minutes once I iron out my half a dozen or so tripping spots, I stopped my run at 37, 38 minutes with Phase 2 down with some fudging around thrown in.
@creagan Superb condition man, I would have assumed they were opened new like, not that long ago. Way to go, those NES boxes are stupid hard to keep looking good.
Obviously I'm using an original NES controller that isn't totally comfy but I still haven't finished it I got to the first boss on level 6 twice last night but I had other stuff I had to do so I'll play some more tonight after I go through all my packages I got today and complete trades.