Thread Description This thread was originally created to encourage traders here at GTZ to do more trading, especially retro related stuff. It has turned into a lot more and I am so grateful to everyone who contributed to this thread and have kept it going for nearly 6 months now. I hope this thread will continue to thrive and everyone who reads/participates in this thread will gain some value or knowledge out of it.
We will still have Trade lists up here, though it's been a while since anyone updated. I encourage everyone to look over their lists and post updates. There is also a section for gorgeous pictures of game rooms that active participants of this thread have shared. Feel free to share some pics of your collection or game room. I will be adding another section for information regarding video quality of retro gaming systems on modern displays and how to improve them. There is rather some extensive discussion regarding how to improve the display quality of retro gaming systems and if you are new to this like I am, you will find it very informative.
Old Topic Description
GTZ has become a marketplace where the most commonly traded commodity is . I want to start an effort to get some trades going and to discuss some good games perhaps you never heard of or interested in but want to discover/know more of. For example, I just got intto shmups after years of ignoring the genre and I love to discover new(to me) and rediscover old ones(Sonic Wings comes to mind).
No pressure here. Feel free to discuss anything retro. Perhaps throw out some WTTF targets and what you have to offer. I am sick of browsing people's year old Available lists.
- WTTF/WTB/LF - What you think is awesome game/series/whatever - Potential games you have up for trade - Pics of what you have/what you would love to get/what you think is the bestest awesomest game ever - Show off your latest finds/adds to your collection
Sega CD - Lords of Thunder (2-3-17) Japanese PS2 - Mushihimesama (2-15-17) Japanese Saturn - X-Men vs. Street Fighter (2-17-17) Neo Geo CD - Sonic Wings 3 (4-17-17) Red Alert (5-16-2017) Seirei Senshi Spriggan (5-17-2017) Neo Geo Heroes: Ultimate Shooting (5-19-2017) Street Fighter Alpha (6-3-2017) w/Ryu on 4 Stars image Arcade Gears Wonder 3 (7-24-2017) Kamiko (7-30-2017) w/Yamato Kamiko (7-30-2017) w/Uzume Root Letter (7-31-2017) Crossing Paths Ending Kamiko (8-4-2017) w/Hinome Ghost Sweeper Mikami (8-7-2017) Final Fight (8-13-2017) Ninja Gaiden (8-14-2017) Clear Time - 1:27 Contra (8-18-2017) Bucky O'Hare (8-18-2017) Bust-A-Groove (8-25-2017) w/Heat Akumajou Dracula (9-10-2017) Shadow of the Ninja (9-15-2017) Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos (9-22-2017) Monster in my Pocket (10-6-2017)
Retro Posters/Ads/Brochures - I love looking through these.
I thought OSSC is ideally paired with a video scaler like this. OSSC just takes lines, doubles them, and blasts them out the other end. You can do all your zooming, cropping, panning, and upscaling to 1080p by pairing it with a video processor.
> Hey DG, my Ryu is RGB, yours must be composite? Color is kinda off, and not as pixel
I don't know what you're smoking. Your gif is scaled down 256x256 to 80x80 for GTZ so it's the one that's blurry! I made mine from a sprite sheet to be exactly 80x80! I had to edit the sword color so it would show up on both background colors though, so mine is BS in that sense.
And there's no 100% correct NES color palette, It was determined by TVs or something. NTSC = Never Twice the Same Color. I don't know how it works. All I know is the sky in Super Mario Bros. is purple and I hate when emulators make it blue.
With that addressed it's time to dog about eBay again. Just got an offer for $10 shipped on a game that has to ship in a box. So I clear like $4? Eat crap buddy. Now that I think about it in general, I'm going to remove it from eBay and dump it at the game store along with some EU games and Famicom games.
Lunar if you don't reform your ways, you'll be the next Donlad. You're already a top trader on a popular game trading website, before you know it you'll be buying mystery boxes of random sports games and hanging knives above doors.
And that's why I ain't got crap no more. Amazing all the space that frees up when you can settle (SNES Mini) and stick to one console at a time (N64's in the living room, Switch in the bedroom, everything else is packed away)
Surprisingly tasteful! My pre-move setup's boring, TV on a multishelf storage crate, switch docked on top of a USPS handler crate. Just have the SNESC and Switch out pretty much, may dink around with a multi-console setup after the Ikea over here opens and I take a look at what they've got. Or I may just display them in sections but unhooked. Maybe do some tasteful LED lighting.
> Lunar if you don't reform your ways, you'll be the next Donlad. You're already a
> top trader on a popular game trading website, before you know it you'll be buying
> mystery boxes of random sports games and hanging knives above doors.
I'm probably the closest to the next DonLad if we're strictly talking about hoarding whatever garbage video games I can find. I would totally get monthly garbage subscriptions but I get games even cheaper than that so in a sense I'm out-DonLadding the DonLad I even bought some mystery ds games that showed up yesterday
> Not showing off huh? 20" PVM running via CDX with Snatcher, very nice btw.
Snatcher is a burned copy. I wish I was ballen enough to buy Snatcher out right. The CDX was just acquired from @Snatcher and the AVS comes from @Lunar. Honesty, the picture is nice on the PVM but the sony triniton has a good enough picture for me. I am tired of trying to get Geometry perfect so I may get rid of both and get an OSSC.
You have an empty cube there; by definition, you have more space than I do. There's a reason I collect cart only and thinpack my DVD-based games. I even considered big binders, but it's too much work to redo them when I get a new game...
>> I thought OSSC is ideally paired with a video scaler like this. OSSC just takes
>> doubles them, and blasts them out the other end. You can do all your zooming,
>> panning, and upscaling to 1080p by pairing it with a video processor.
> Yea, that's what @ErickRPG is doing. Though he just wanted OSSC to work with his
> TV but its a nice combo I hear.
> I think OSSC + DVDO ends up being more expensive than the FM lol
I have JUST an OSSC. And it is much much better than any DVDO I've ever tried. The line 4x mode has done wonders for some of my PSOne games. It's made a game like King's Field II palatable on a 65" screen. That's something no DVDO can do.
I would say DVDO's are worth it as a way to get RGB and S-videos hooked up to modern TVs and looking good doing it, with no defects like those cheap chinese HDMI converters. I have not seen anything more expensive than the VP20. But if I had $200 to spend, I would skip the iscan and go straight for the OSSC. The less expensive DVDOs in the $100 or less catagory are worth it.
> I spent all day untangling wires behind that 4 cube....then I realized, i have all
> these systems hooked up, and i only play like 2-3 systems.
> And that's why I ain't got crap no more. Amazing all the space that frees up when
> you can settle (SNES Mini) and stick to one console at a time (N64's in the living
> room, Switch in the bedroom, everything else is packed away)
I go through spurts of systems I'm frequently playing (unless it's trash like N64) but I keep them all because I don't want to have to go buy say, a Sega CD, when I want to play something on that again.
> RobotVendingMachine wrote:
>> the picture is nice on the PVM but the sony triniton has a good enough picture
>> me. I am tired of trying to get Geometry perfect so I may get rid of both and
>> an OSSC.
> Geometry and convergence are such a pain. #GiveUpAndGoLCD
Honestly, 20 inches and less it's likely going to be pretty spot on unless it was stored craptily or saw heavy use. Now a CRT projector, that's annoying to calibrate. I currently have almost nothing hooked up as I'm working on it.
As far as PVM vs regular SD tv sets, it's a pretty solid difference but it varies person to person how important it is. I notice a difference even with composite but when I was playing some Super Mario World 2 it wasn't such a difference that I haaad to get out the PVM to play. It's even much less of a difference with a VGA CRT monitor though certainly a different look/feel.
> |>> I thought OSSC is ideally paired with a video scaler like this. OSSC just takes
> |>> doubles them, and blasts them out the other end. You can do all your zooming,
> |>> panning, and upscaling to 1080p by pairing it with a video processor.
>> Yea, that's what @ErickRPG is doing. Though he just wanted OSSC to work with his
>> TV but its a nice combo I hear.
>> I think OSSC + DVDO ends up being more expensive than the FM lol
> I have JUST an OSSC. And it is much much better than any DVDO I've ever tried.
> The line 4x mode has done wonders for some of my PSOne games. It's made a game like
> King's Field II palatable on a 65" screen. That's something no DVDO can do.
> I would say DVDO's are worth it as a way to get RGB and S-videos hooked up to modern
> TVs and looking good doing it, with no defects like those cheap chinese HDMI converters.
> I have not seen anything more expensive than the VP20. But if I had $200 to spend,
> I would skip the iscan and go straight for the OSSC. The less expensive DVDOs in
> the $100 or less catagory are worth it.
If one's only concern is gaming I agree generally. I can't speak to playing KFII on a 65'' screen though, nor is that something I desire to do. Lol. Certainly agree about the pricing. In a perfect world 30 would be about $80 w/o the card and HD+/20 like $50. That's about how I'd value them for their performance. 50Pro has been great for me with film content, would like to get my hands on @Lunar Duo for comparisons in that regard however, especially with .
Speaking of audio issues. I did not know exactly how audio would work, I had Lunar's 3 way audio splitter at the ready. But as far as scart, the OSSC just sends the audio straight to my TV with the HDMI out. Which is pretty awesome. I only need separate audio for VGA or Component.
If you mean like input codes idk but I was watching the speed run champion and he did some weird little hit box tricks where if you get hit by a small medusa while you are jumping you can get pushed to the level above you to save time. I already knew about most of those and I tried to get one to work with a small bat.
There's also tricks with the holy water on certain bosses where they can't even move and you can just destroy them easily. Without taking any damage.
Also the holy water stuns the enemies that take more than one hit of damage and while they are stunned you can literally walk right through them.
Yeah I ordered mine in July and got mine end of September. When you order OSSC just expect that you will be on a 2 month+ waiting period. It's just one guy who has to order parts and make them in batches. Go ahead and pay now, def worth the wait. OSSC is my favorite retro game upscaler experience yet! It can make SNES and PS2 games look great on a 65" screen, it's a great product! It has options like line doubler, line tripler that you can experiment with, and you can even mess with scanlines horizontal, vertical, and mixed. There were a few games where I was like "Huh, vertical scanlines look great!".
> My Life in Gaming folks say that 480p content is best on the dvdo products whereas
> 240 to 480i is best on OSSC.
Yeah the OSSC is far from ideal with 480p content from what I've heard. It's just a line doubler for better or worse which is why it's lag free. The best thing about the OSSC is that it's designed for gaming. It should properly recognize signals from even the most oddball of old systems. Also the way it handles colour is pretty great. Just a great utility item to have around.
>> Anyway it's a nice TV but it depends on what you want it for. 240p game content
>> composite is honestly worse than a random SD CRT imo.
> I was going to use it for GameCube, PS2, Dreamcast etc. Would 240p consoles via SCART
> to Component look good on this TV?
It's pretty great for 480-720p content. Also really solid for older film content, idk if you care about that but I gotta mention it since I've watched a lot of older video format content on mine.
The reason imo it isn't great for 240p game content is because due to it being HD/digital tv there is digital processing, so it's not the same as older CRTs at all.
Transcoding with RGB would be good enough for most people I'd think. What I was doing was using my 30 and outputting to component at 720p. That way the tv wasn't doing any scaling. Overall for a multi-purpose display it's a pretty good option. Excellent color.
> My boss had that exact TV and it hurt just looking at it. When I had to take my old
> rear projection out of the basement, I had to disassemble it because it was too damn
> big and heavy.
> Also, I'm giving up on Castlevania 64. The camera, combat, and framerate have defeated
Wow even with Nintendo power walkthroughs you couldn't pull it off?
That's not the can do attitude I've come to expect from you sir! Dust yourself off and fight the minions of darkness 😊 Did you even fight any minotaurs yet? (I think there is a Minotaur boss fight 😍 But I could be remembering that wrong. It's been almost 20 years I think)
I saw a copy the other day for 15 dollars and I wanted it but then I figured "what for?!?" My 1 dollar n64 project is still missing most out the components I need to see if it even works so 😐
> |>> My boss had that exact TV and it hurt just looking at it. When I had to take
> |>> rear projection out of the basement, I had to disassemble it because it was too
> |>> big and heavy.
> |>> Also, I'm giving up on Castlevania 64. The camera, combat, and framerate have
> |>> me.
>> Wow even with Nintendo power walkthroughs you couldn't pull it off?
>> That's not the can do attitude I've come to expect from you sir! Dust yourself
>> and fight the minions of darkness 😊 Did you even fight any minotaurs yet?
>> (I think there is a Minotaur boss fight 😍 But I could be remembering that
>> wrong. It's been almost 20 years I think)
>> I saw a copy the other day for 15 dollars and I wanted it but then I figured "what
>> for?!?" My 1 dollar n64 project is still missing most out the components I need
>> see if it even works so 😐
> It's just not fun. I gave it a shot. The game tricked me with little bits of fun
> but I don't have the motivation to play a 10 hour long game like this. N64 sucks
> Back to NES for me.
Yeah fun is always a good thing to have if you're just "playing" games. But if you're a gamer for realsies you can't get too hung up on these arbitrary definitions that detract from being a gamer like "having fun" lol.
But seriously I don't blame you I have like ten copies of various call of duty games that I have yet to ever play (if ever) so you gotta do what makes you happy. At least you tried. 😊
Evil sir simply evil. I have some Bing credits saved up for Amazon though so I guess I could do that. I doubt I'll win anything though but everyone should check it out there is some really nice stuff. Especially if you're trying to complete certain nes and dreamcast games for that cib quality.
Now, I'm not sure how much less ambiguous I can be about this listing. However:
"whats the serial number". This is from the same fudging craphead who demanded that the serial numbers on the box and system for my legit system matched and wanted pictures, then paid after I told him to get lost, then immediately put in a cancellation request because he supposedly used his boss's credit card info but rescinded it after learning that yes, after he hit "submit" on the payment that I was, in fact, paid and the thing was on its way. And now he's asking about a fake serial number on a fake system.
Other golden ones:
"Does it have hdmi?" -Okay, I can see that. Answered. (same guy) "Is the software the same as original classic nes? Does it have suspend state function?" - I answered "no" because honestly any more characters and I would have just started swearing.
I don't see how anyone can be in the business of selling clone hardware. This is the most exhausting, most popular, most unsold listing I've ever had.
> Haven't played much since the last time. It's hard to play real matches when I know
> i can beast the guy with a pad. But yea I need more practice.
ive sworn to only use it until i get it. im winning about a third of my matches with it or so, would be more probably if most online players didnt run as soon as you catch onto the three moves they know. most of the oppenents i felt like i could pick up the pad and push their crap in, but my hands just dont do well on the ds4 for long periods in tekken, and the stick hurts but in a different way at least, so im hoping thats just not being used to it and that gets better. that and im afraid going back to the pad will regress my progression on the stick. df still gives me trouble to do consisently but i am probably holding the stick wrong. i keep getting D or F but not DF consistenly, but its getting better .
it only seems to happen in fighters, probably pressing harder than i realize in the heat of the fight and the d pad inputs, hopefully not a sympton of carpal tunnel or something, i can play ghost recon or an rpg all day and not experience it.
@tonymack21 which fighters are you playing? I thought you were mostly about Tekken, are there a bunch of quarter circle inputs in newer Tekken games, or are you playing Streetfighter or something else?
Yeah, but I got it. Someone had KOTOR 1 and 2 listed for $25 shipped, complete. So now I've just got a complete KOTOR2 possibly incoming that I don't need. Requested a cancellation, won't be butthurt if they refuse. Had to clarify the listing I was interested in, it was in the listing "disc only in generic cases" but then said "Check pictures for condition" and the pictures were both complete and in nice condition, seller confirmed they were complete and the text in the listing was in error.
Okay, does anyone know how to get the paypal shipping link to allow shipping to Canada? It's changed and it only takes States and a couple other locals but no Canada. Is there a new link or something other than using USPS directly online?
> @tonymack21 which fighters are you playing? I thought you were mostly about Tekken,
> are there a bunch of quarter circle inputs in newer Tekken games, or are you playing
> Streetfighter or something else?
tekken 7 ya, there several characters have qcf and qcb moves, nina (my main) has qcf +1 as a staple move in several combos, plus its just a great quick move, qcb is no problem, so its gotta just the way im holding it. if you dont do it perfect you get a different move as she has a move for just about every command imaginable
>> @tonymack21 which fighters are you playing? I thought you were mostly about Tekken,
>> are there a bunch of quarter circle inputs in newer Tekken games, or are you playing
>> Streetfighter or something else?
> tekken 7 ya, there several characters have qcf and qcb moves, nina (my main) has
> qcf +1 as a staple move in several combos, plus its just a great quick move, qcb
> is no problem, so its gotta just the way im holding it. if you dont do it perfect
> you get a different move as she has a move for just about every command imaginable
Okay well that makes sense I used to have to be paying attention playing Tekken when I wanted to do anything diagonal on the pad. Otherwise I would get whatever my down or back or forward + attack was.
Of course I play with different pads and I'm usually fine on most games. But Tony Hawk on anything kills my right hand because I gotta keep my index in the grind button thumb on jump and middle on the shoulder buttons that's cramp city right there.
How long do your Tekken sessions go? Maybe try cutting them in half until you're used the new controls? Play something less intense in between.
Okay so I decided to see how bad the retron 1 controllers actually are, um there's almost nothing wrong with them except the ducking problem in SMB I noticed but I will need to try them out on Adventure Island 2 and Castlevania or Ninja Gaiden to see if it controls good with those too.
It's actually pretty good to use on SMB I got further on one continue than I did with an original pad recently. No warping no one up trick and I got all the way to 6-3 before I ran out of lives.
Pretty good as far as what I've heard. I guess I can play almost any controllers except wii motion controllers and also not a fan of the GameCube pad design.
>> My Life in Gaming folks say that 480p content is best on the dvdo products whereas
>> 240 to 480i is best on OSSC.
> Yeah the OSSC is far from ideal with 480p content from what I've heard. It's just
> a line doubler for better or worse which is why it's lag free. The best thing about
> the OSSC is that it's designed for gaming. It should properly recognize signals from
> even the most oddball of old systems. Also the way it handles colour is pretty great.
> Just a great utility item to have around.
You know I remember being floored when I put DQVIII on my 40" downstairs with the DVDO. It looks good with OSSC on my 65" but I didn't quite have that initial reaction I did before. I thought it was because I was "used to it". But perhaps they are right and DVDO is better for 480 content.
I think I'm going to move my PS2 and Xbox to the DVDO downstairs and use the OSSC for my old stuff like and .
I didn't say 4 was bad, I said it seems like the game was simply created to score well. But to me that's only skin deep. Nothing about the game you played the other day made me think "Man, I really wanna play that." It's pretty and polished and boring.
I guess if you can beat ninja gaiden MiMP probably doesn't seem hard, but I remember it being kind of hard? of course those memories are as a ~8/9 year old. I have acquired it, will give it a try when I have a chance.
"Average" to them could mean "excruciating" to those of us who were kids back then. Satoru Iwata had the best explanation for the phenomenon of "NES Hard": the dev team stayed up all night playing their own games during the debug phase, so over time they became pros, and thought the games were "too easy". (And to make matters worse, then we had localizers who would also go in and futz around with the difficulty.)
I used to really like EGM. My favorite issues were the 4 yes 4 different Mortal Kombat 2 "strategy guide" issues for the arcade. I still can't believe they got all my allowance for several weeks for something that should have been half the price that it was. But again like all "strategy guides" I mostly like looking at all the beautiful full color pics and reading about my favorite games 😍
Also did anyone else notice that one of the guys reviewing Rescue Rangers 2 described it as a Super Mario type game?!?
I wasn't aware that was a difficult game. I guess if it is I need to get it. I never finished it as a kid because it felt like a really ugly mix between Rambo and contra with an overhead view but beyond that it just wasn't fun as a kid.
I'm sure I'd like it better now I'm less judgemental now and way more eclectic with games. Although watching the first 20 seconds of play that game looks slow AF I hope it's more fun than it looks I don't wanna buy it just be miserable slogging through it ..... Bleh!
> ...Oh, for fudge's sake. >< I'm sorry dude! I can mail it out or throw you a refund
> plus shipping for the case, however you wanna do this. I'm sorry dawg!
> DefaultGen wrote:
>> Dugongue beat Ikari Warriors? How??
> I wasn't aware that was a difficult game. I guess if it is I need to get it. I never
> finished it as a kid because it felt like a really ugly mix between Rambo and contra
> with an overhead view but beyond that it just wasn't fun as a kid.
> I'm sure I'd like it better now I'm less judgemental now and way more eclectic with
> games. Although watching the first 20 seconds of play that game looks slow AF I hope
> it's more fun than it looks I don't wanna buy it just be miserable slogging through
> it ..... Bleh!
Someone on NintendoAge recently beat it and said they put in 150 hours of practice. I obviously can't beat it without the code. As far as I know, it's one of the "real" hardest NES games (not nonsense like Ninja Gaiden and Castlevania).
ok, so Ikari Warriors is difficult, but it's because it's basically broken as a game. you move INCREDIBLY slowly, everything kills you in one hit, it's impossible to aim. it's just the worst of every NES game combined. also the 4th level is totally glitched out graphically in spots. it's a total mess. don't play it.
It looks like I gotta beat it. What's the longest speedrun on Ikari Warriors listed on the site?
If it doesn't run on retron I probably won't try to finish it but if it plays fine ..... Maybe 😊
I still gotta clean/organize and maybe start cave story 3D. To relax in between overwhelming storage anxiety. Since I have more items then actual shelves and nice compact boxes to properly organize and neatly store everything. It's getting out of hand.
No one runs Ikari Warriors. TMR beat it with no ABBA in like 40 minutes for his NESmania challenge (since ABBA isn't documented anywhere it's considered a cheat) after like 40 hours of practice. That's probably the only run listed if I had to guess.
It's not actually a cheat, since you're just controller inputs, but for NESmania he could only use stuff that was in the manual or explained in the game. ABBA is allowed for speedruns, but would be a different category I suppose.
Also Dugongue triggered some glitch to basically skip the entire last portion of Ikari Warriors, he didn't do it totally legit. If he put in the work to get up to that point I don't know why he didn't just put the work in to beat it for real.
> Also Dugongue triggered some glitch to basically skip the entire last portion of
> Ikari Warriors, he didn't do it totally legit. If he put in the work to get up to
> that point I don't know why he didn't just put the work in to beat it for real.
Well did his time even count for a speedrun time then or what?
Also I don't want to look up abba in case it's cheating guys, also don't want spoilers from gamefaqs if I look anything up there. Because if I can't do it on my own I don't need to do it at all really I guess.
I need to price check mutant virus and Ikari Warriors but my friend might still have his Ikari from when we were kids. I guess whichever one is cheaper I'll play first.
I had a pet rattlesnake that I couldn't even pet I even loved her in my own way but she probably hated me so both of these sound like my kind of challenges, I think if they both play fine on retron I'll try to finish at least one of them fairly by the end of the year maybe the other one by the end of next March if they are that bad? Or difficult unplayable whatever.
I'll wait for a good deal on either one and get to work when I have it here.
>> Standard is sold out - collectors edition is still avail
> It looks cool, but not sure I want to spend $45 on it.
That's what most people said and why the standard edition sold out faster. They've already said on Twitter that the door is open to product more standard editions but it might take a while. So it'll be available again at the cheaper price if you are still looking.
>> So I have a Just Cause 3 Collector's Edition and Halo 5 Collector's
>> Both are huge boxes...I think they sell for dirty cheap.
>> I think I am going to open the boxes, flatten them. Play and touch the figures
>> to my liking.
>> Right? Instead of trying to get rid of them on eBay for days and have someone
>> me and then end up with like $10-$20 in pocket?
> Everything mass produced since the 00s will be worthless forever or until we're old
> men. Open your games, enjoy the stuff.
Pretty much. Just when Class of Heroes 2G looked destined to be hilariously priced it got re-issued. Edit: And that's not even a mass produced game. Anything with a huge run will probably be worthless until the planet consumes us.
Need to make some cash quick, so: Dungeon master Theron's Quest disc/manual - $35 Cratermaze cic $35 Lords of thunder complete - 140 Soldier blade card only $150 Silent Debuggers cic - $40 Tales of Destiny cib - $70 Albert Odyssey complete w reg card - $140
I think actually wanting to play makes a huge difference. Like I am looking forward to try to beat NGIII again on Friday probably.
I have been playing a few minutes of Shantae 1/2 Genie Hero a day, and just not that into it. It's got all the good stuff, cool characters, precise control, witty dialogue, and the gameplay looks fun too.
I don't know, it's just not the right time I guess.
To be fair, I had the NG set for like a year and didn't play at all and sold it.
So I watched some of @sharif stream last night and was wondering if those capture cards or whatever you guys use make the games look that good on your TVs? Or does it just look good viewing it on the PC. Also I never heard of the Super Game Boy 2, I have the first one.
The capture card just takes input and pipes it to your PC for the stream. The quality is going to be whatever I see on TV. In this case, I have an RGB modded NES and a regular SNES with S-video going into a splitter, which then pipes S-video to both my TV and my capture card. There are captures cards that do the same with HDMI but without need for a splitter.
The Super Game Boy 2 was Japan only. It's needed for speedrunning because the regular Super Game Boy runs at the wrong framerate so times are inaccurate.
So I tested my PS2 downstairs with my VP20. It really does not look any better than OSSC from what I can tell. Of course they are 2 different TV's and my 65" upstairs is a much nicer TV. But I think the people who say DVDO is better with 480p content are the types that use a magnifying glass to compare the pixels.
I don't think most people who casually play won't really notice the difference. So what I'm saying is, if you have a DVDO or OSSC and want to play PS2 or Xbox. Go for it. it will look great either way.
If what I read and my understanding is correct, OSSC is just a line doubler(tripler/quadrupler), and does not do actual upscaling, correct? So does that mean, when used by itself to the TV, it's mostly up to the TV to do the actual upscaling?
@Lunar well first it was component via DVDO, then RGB and I noticed a big difference. Someone at that time said RGB does 480p. Then I brought it upstairs via OSSC via RGB. And then someone here said only COMPONENT does 480p. So I'm really confused.
But All I can say is via RGB it looks really good via DVDO or OSSC. Line doubling can be viewed as upscaling can't it? I mean it takes existing pixels and fills in missing pixels, in turn sort of sharpening the pixel image. I'm not sure I really care to know all of the little details, I just know it looks good. I wouldn't have a problem playing PS2 with either unit.
That's another thing, both of my TVs are of the mid to high end so they probably both have very good upscale engines. If the OSSC just clears things up and gives the TV a sharp image to read then the TV can do a great job displaying the image. That all goes into it I guess.
> @Lunar well first it was component via DVDO, then RGB and I noticed a big difference.
> Someone at that time said RGB does 480p. Then I brought it upstairs via OSSC via
> RGB. And then someone here said only COMPONENT does 480p. So I'm really confused.
> But All I can say is via RGB it looks really good via DVDO or OSSC. Line doubling
> can be viewed as upscaling can't it? I mean it takes existing pixels and fills in
> missing pixels, in turn sort of sharpening the pixel image. I'm not sure I really
> care to know all of the little details, I just know it looks good. I wouldn't have
> a problem playing PS2 with either unit.
Keep in mind with PS2 you often have to force 480p and most games don't even support it. The PS2 is by and large an SD console. RGsB is how you get 480p out of PS2 through RGB.
> That's another thing, both of my TVs are of the mid to high end so they probably
> both have very good upscale engines. If the OSSC just clears things up and gives
> the TV a sharp image to read then the TV can do a great job displaying the image.
> That all goes into it I guess.
Obviously this matters a lot. Higher end tvs aren't going to need help with 480p game content. Just feed it a clean 480p RGsB signal and it's going to look pretty good. I've seen lots of arguments about 480p scaling. Lumagen and DVDO are both fine imo. The DVDO ringing is a huge issue for some people.
I liked The Force Awakens just fine, I think it will at least be entertaining if nothing else. I got opening weekend tickets, for that Sunday. Matinee though, that's the key. Also, not 3D. That's useless and gives me a headache.
>> I liked The Force Awakens just fine, I think it will at least be entertaining
>> nothing else. I got opening weekend tickets, for that Sunday. Matinee though,
>> the key. Also, not 3D. That's useless and gives me a headache.
> I didn't hate it as a movie. It was like a solid 6.5/10 for me.
> Have fun with the screaming children at the theater.
I went opening weekend for The Force Awakens as well and there were lots of people standing in lines everywhere for reasons I didn't quite understand. I waltzed in and sat in my seats and enjoyed the movie. Had surprisingly few issues.
Not Star Control 3, not the 3D Star Control Origins game coming out soon, a real sequel. SCII isn't my favorite game of all time, but it's a masterpiece. The developers put 6 months of unpaid work into the game rather than ship it unfinished. It's one of the real labors of love by a creator in gaming history.
> @Sharif, i believe you were briefly explaining how twitch worked. There's like hosting
> and $5 donation type of thing where you get 50%? If you don't mind explaining a bit
> for us Twitch newbies.
Yeah when you become an affiliate (not sure on the numbers you need) people can subscribe to you and there are multiple tiers. The cheapest is $5. Twitch takes a cut. Most larger streamers also take direct donations via paypal. Then people can also get "bits" from Twitch by purchasing or watching ads. One bit is one penny for the streamer.
@Gypsy covered the gist of it. You need to stream for 300 minutes over at least 7 different streams in a 30 day period, while having an average of at least 3 viewers per stream and 50 total followers to qualify for affiliate. I fulfill all of those just barely (I have 69 followers and average about 7 viewers per stream). Subscriptions to affiliates get you one emote per tier ($5, $10, $25). More popular streamers (several thousand followers, several hundred viewers per stream) become partners, they get more emotes and a better cut of the subscription money.
You can have up to 50 emotes in the $5 tier (still just one extra emote per higher tier though). That's entirely dependent on the number of subs you have. Getting to specific sub milestones unlocks extra emote slots.
> You can have up to 50 emotes in the $5 tier (still just one extra emote per higher
> tier though). That's entirely dependent on the number of subs you have. Getting to
> specific sub milestones unlocks extra emote slots.
When you stream on twitch to get all that stuff do you need to show yourself playing and talking on camera?
That's not something I'd want to deal with. Or hearing people talking crap if I were streaming live fighting game matches or difficult platformers. If someone were to say ask me to feed a cantaloupe to a giraffe in Zoo Tycoon however, I would be okay with that 😊 For a little while anyways.
I'm freaking out. I know nobody else will get my ineffable love for Tim Folley (and his brother, whose name currently eludes me) and his musical compositions that were light years beyond the crapty (and now cancelled!) games they appeared on. But I just found something I didn't know even existed and I'm geeking out.
This is my equivalent to discovering someone found a brand-new, unreleased, unknown Beatles album or something. But they'd have to be like, Crapty Beatles or something. Super good but almost nobody likes them or knows they exist.
I don't think I currently own a video game strategy guide. As a matter of fact, the only one I ever owned was the one that came packaged in with EarthBound(Super Nintendo) when I bought it brand new, lo those many moons ago.
id have to check, ive got the ff7 versus guide, dot hack quarantine, tales of destiny 2 though its in rough shape, suikoden 2 and 5, valkyria chronicles, skies of arcadia legends, wild arms ACF, probably a couple others. I still prefer a book, though I have used a lot of online guides/faqs as well. I like the maps and alchemy/item tables and such depending on what game im playing.
which is also a good time to mention im still looking for tons of guides if anyone has any of them :P
Mine is most certainly not related to subject material rarity, I have the Bayonetta guide only released in English in the UK and its insane what people are listing it at, makes me wish I hadn't opened mine :(. I use a mix nowadays, but favor online walkthroughs just due to the setup of my desk and my tv.
> I may be in the minority but I preferred the versus guide to the brady games guide
> for ff7 myself.
> tonymack21 wrote:
>> id have to check, ive got the ff7 versus guide, dot hack quarantine, tales of
>> 2 though its in rough shape, suikoden 2 and 5, valkyria chronicles, skies of arcadia
>> legends, wild arms ACF, probably a couple others. I still prefer a book, though
>> I have used a lot of online guides/faqs as well. I like the maps and alchemy/item
>> tables and such depending on what game im playing.
>> which is also a good time to mention im still looking for tons of guides if anyone
>> has any of them :P
the versus guide was vastly superior, afaik its regarded as the best ff7 guide, the brady guide misses a couple things iirc and the versus guide has sick material strats etc. I didn't have it til recently myself and took it in fair condition just to get it without paying an arm and a leg, im good with imperfections on guides if it saves money especially the more expensive ones.
While it certainly was an entertaining read and I definitely agree with the high praise, I completely and totally disagree with the hate. None of these are bad video games. Just because you aren't any good at something doesn't make it bad.
"With 2016's NES Classic, we got to relive that pivotal 8-bit era, though those games have grown crusty with time. Today, sadly, most NES games are not worth playing. They are full of poor translations, inconsistent physics, and artificially inflated difficulty inspired by arcades. With a couple of exceptions (Super Mario Bros. 3), the NES Classic's library consisted of games you'd load up, play for a few minutes, and marvel at how poorly they've aged."
> I haven't played FFIII, but I'm guessing it's easy as crap.
its not a hard FF at all, but FF games aren't usually that hard anyway I guess unless you just don't pay attention other than superbosses. the vanish/x-zone combo makes most of the game a cakewalk once you have those spells. even works on some bosses iirc.
Pretty much any difficulty in these Square games can be overcome by running your head into random encounters often enough. Everyone in the reviewing scene always laments the forced grinding in these games and I honestly think they're full of crap, generally speaking they're paced to run through with occasional failures and things can be tooled to push yourself over the gear checks if necessary.
Fudge, all the guides I've been looking at for Super Mario RPG (FOR THE SECRETS.) are like "You should be Level 28 and have so and so and so in your party" and I'm like, level 21 running sub-endgame weapons, YES I SOLD THE SOIL FOR 150 COINS AND I'M GOLD CAPPED, FUDGE ME RIGHT, and I'm literally one fight away from the last fight in the game. Yeah, you tank a few fights and it may seem unfair but even the dog fights you just hit up again and get better dice rolls and you move on, you fudging move on. Can't even imagine how faceroll the battles would be if I was at suggested levels.
I wish there was another gaming media outlet like them that put out news as consistently. what I like about them is they get news and announcements out to facebook pretty fast, but their opinion pieces...barf.
On the subject of guides: I think my Super Mario All-Stars guide is certainly helpful and valuable to me ( I used the Lost Levels World 9-4 as a template for an Iwata tribute level in Super Mario Maker), as are my Dragon Quest 4-6, 8, and 9 guides.
> Pretty much any difficulty in these Square games can be overcome by running your
> head into random encounters often enough. Everyone in the reviewing scene always
> laments the forced grinding in these games and I honestly think they're full of crap,
> generally speaking they're paced to run through with occasional failures and things
> can be tooled to push yourself over the gear checks if necessary.
> Fudge, all the guides I've been looking at for Super Mario RPG (FOR THE SECRETS.)
> are like "You should be Level 28 and have so and so and so in your party" and I'm
> like, level 21 running sub-endgame weapons, YES I SOLD THE SOIL FOR 150 COINS AND
> I'M GOLD CAPPED, FUDGE ME RIGHT, and I'm literally one fight away from the last
> fight in the game. Yeah, you tank a few fights and it may seem unfair but even the
> dog fights you just hit up again and get better dice rolls and you move on, you
> fudging move on. Can't even imagine how faceroll the battles would be if I was at
> suggested levels.
I was going to type out something similar before I read this. RPGs by their nature can't really be difficult. They can be grindy (though plenty are not) and they can be purposefully obtuse but I don't equate either of those things with real difficulty. To me that should be something skill/reflex testing.
I'm not sure about valuable guides as I really don't know values there but some of the ones I recall as favorites would be my Beyond Good & Evil GCN, Eternal Darkness GCN and N64 Jet Force Gemini guides. I generally get guides for the maps as I like looking at the overview shots with keys for items, secrets, etc. Mostly I enjoy looking at them over using them as I play a game though, they're an interesting read after you have already beaten the game. Can't say I remember if I've used an online guide, might have looked at a map or maybe googled a specific quest trigger or something similar though.
> Retro thread question of the day; What's your most valuable strategy guide owned?
> Also do you prefer to use a "book" or do you like to use online guides?
It seems Strategy guides don't seem all that popular anymore. Most valuable would be probably Ogre Battle snes or Popful Mail guides. Most "rare" or obscure guides I have would be Battletech Sega Genesis or Rise of the Dragon guide.
> Just got an email from OSSC, the next batch is up for pre-order. It comes to a little
> less than $220 USD with OSSC unit, PSU, remote and shipping.
If I have just OG systems would this be something that would benefit me on my HDTV? I'm still not 100% sure what this thing does. For example, can I plug in my NES with composite into this and play on my HDTV?
You need to move away from composite ASAP. NES needs modification for RGB(which is like 10 times better than composite)
Here is an exerpt from a review:
"So, what is the OSSC? The so called open source scan converter is a FPGA-based video processor developed by a single person, Markus Hiienkari from Finland - - online to be found as Marqs. Marqs set out to build an alternative to the established gaming processors and created the OSSC over a time span of roughly 18 months. On paper the OSSC looks like your average converter box. It got a RGB scart input, a component and a VGA input and it tries to convert of all these signals into a digital DVI or HDMI output. The re-programmable FPGA design allows Markus to implement his own line doubling or scaling algorithms and not getting crippled by the SDKs of the bigger IC suppliers."
Here's a quick reference guide for a post I posted somewhere else:
Systems Compatible With RGB Natively Sega Master System Sega Genesis Model 1 and 2, CDX, X'Eye Sega Saturn Sega Dreamcast Super Nintendo Model 1 Atari Jaguar Neo Geo AES, Neo Geo CD Sony Playstation 1/2/3
Systems Requiring Modification to Display RGB Atari 2600 NES Super Nintendo Model 2/Mini/Jr. Nintendo 64 3DO TurboGrafx 16/PCE
> You need to move away from composite ASAP. NES needs modification for RGB(which is
> like 10 times better than composite)
Don't flatter composite. Though composite varies heavily system to system, sometimes within revisions of the same system (looking at you Genesis). PCE composite is pretty decent, but it's still not close to Svideo or RGB.
Anyone interested in a HDMI and backup modded GameCube bundle? I will include Zelda Twilight Princess, Zelda Collector ed, Metroid Prime 1 & 2, Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes (Disc Only), RE 2 (disc only) and 4 and a Smash Bros. GameCube controller. This is the official one Nintendo put out for Smash 4. This system also has the GBA adapter and a backup copy of the GBA disc. I was think about 320.00 for the bundle.
Wow I guess it is a never ending upgraditis for some people. I am glad I'm totally satisfied with my DVDO and OSSC. At some point (and I went through this with my home theater system) it becomes a point of way too much money for diminishing returns.