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Topic   The new Virtual Box - Starts TODAY at Noon EST! - Add your items NOW

WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
2-Sep-2017
ILGIP wrote:
> I am sorry, but you can not make everyone happy. There are going to be users who
> only add $5 games, and they are going to get upset when no one picks their games.
> The users that add desirable games are going to be the users that keep the box healthy.
> You need to keep the users who are going to add desirable games happy, and the users
> who whine about not getting picked can leave. Obviously, no one wants their games
> so their departure will not harm the box. The problem is that all games in the box
> are not equal. Therefore, all users in the box are not equal. You can strive to make
> all users equal, and thus kill the box, or you can let the games themselves determine
> the course of the box.
>
> -Robert

I'll add a poll with some new rules.

Just an idea to those with cheaper games, you can bundle PP or giftcards with your items to make them more desirable.
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
2-Sep-2017
Lunar wrote:
> What happens when someone violates the 3 day lock or continues to advertise for sale
> in classifieds?
>
>

The idea was if I'm alerted that a game is listed for sale on the forum I'd just remove it from the box. Again, not a rule yet, but a proposal.

The 3 day lock was just me asking this as a courtesy to the box. I actually don't see why holding a game from other sales/trades for 3 days is so horrible.
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
2-Sep-2017
ILGIP wrote:
> WithinTemptation wrote:
>> Problem: Trade "incest" (where the same 2-3 people swap picks until all the good
>> stuff is gone)
>> Solution: You can't choose a game from the same user back to back picks.
>>
>> 1. Its tiggs pick
>> 2. tigg picks a game from JD
>> 3. JD picks a game from tigg (its only fair to allow him to pick from anyone he
> chooses)
>> 4. Now tigg is up again, but he must choose a game from anyone but JD
>
> Personally, I have no problem with trade "incest". The problem is not that only two,
> or three users are getting a chance to pick from the box. The problem is that only
> two, or three users are adding good games to the box. Implementing a rule that forces
> a user to choose a game that they do not want, or take a coin when there is actually
> a game in the box that they do want will eventually doom the box. If only two, or
> three users are picking from eachother it is a sign. It is a sign that the other
> users need to put better games in the box. Not a sign to force someone to pick a
> game that they don't want so that someone gets a chance to pick what they want when
> they have obviously not added anything interesting to the box. This idea of banning
> trade "incest" negates the idea that to get picked you must add better games. It
> should always be up to the person choosing to decide what game they want to pick
> unless there is a tier system in place.
>
> -Robert

While I do agree with you (we did this once, lol), I'm just trying to address issues people are having with the box. These are not new rules yet, just something I am proposing.
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
2-Sep-2017
Gypsy wrote:
> I kinda want to add some items but there are so many issues. Especially when I look
> and see pure garbage items in the box, and I'm thinking of adding all $30+ items.
> The chances for exploitation seem high (have a cheap game picked then just take the
> highest value item in the box) or the thread just dies. I dunno...

Yes and no. I'm not sure I ever remember a time where a $10 or less game was picked over $30+ games. But I can see this with the eCurrency, which is why its a $20 minimum.
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
2-Sep-2017
whitefire wrote:
> WithinTemptation wrote:
>> I've been messaged a few concerns people are having and asking that I try to address
>> them.
>>
>> Problem: Trade "incest" (where the same 2-3 people swap picks until all the good
>> stuff is gone)
>> Solution: You can't choose a game from the same user back to back picks.
>>
>> 1. Its tiggs pick
>> 2. tigg picks a game from JD
>> 3. JD picks a game from tigg (its only fair to allow him to pick from anyone he
> chooses)
>> 4. Now tigg is up again, but he must choose a game from anyone but JD
>>
>> Problem: People actively trying to sell/trade games they put in the box.
>> Solution: Games listed in the forums for sale/trade can't be added to the box.
> Please
>> also remove them from your available list (simply move them to your collection
> for
>> the time being)
>>
>> Problem: "Pick and Run" meaning getting your pick and then removing your games
> shortly
>> after.
>> Solution: Since I feel this will only be a big problem the first few days, I ask
>> any game still in the box when it opens be left in the box for 3 days. I don't
> feel
>> this is an unreasonable request.
>> Other rules in place for this problem is any game added (once the box starts and
>> after the first 3 days) must remain in the box for 24 hours. In addition you
> must
>> leave your games in the box at least 24 hours after you make a pick. After that
>> time passes you can remove them.
>
> Are these suggestions or current rules now?
>
> Honestly, any one of these would make me not want to participate in the box. That's
> too restrictive for me.
>
> First of all, the whole "incest" thing. Well, put better stuff in. That happens because
> few people tend to put all of the best stuff in. That, or those few users have similar
> gaming interests. It eventually stops regardless. I don't want restrictions on what
> I can pick. What if that's the only item I want?
>
> They're my games. I'll sell/trade them when I want. Boxes are not perfect, and I
> won't limit myself to one trading option.
>
> If there's nothing else I want, why should I have to leave my games in? Maybe I add
> a bunch of good stuff but it's not chosen for a while. Finally, someone chooses my
> item but only one item I want is left. You want me to then leave my stuff in for
> 3 days to be picked even though I want nothing? Why would I want to do that?
>
> These rules seem they would favor people who tend to get picked less due to less
> desirable items. These can all be solved simply with a healthy box. If the selection
> is good, none of these should be a problem.
>
>

There are proposal rules. I'm trying to make all happy
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
2-Sep-2017
I've been messaged a few concerns people are having and asking that I try to address them.

Problem: Trade "incest" (where the same 2-3 people swap picks until all the good stuff is gone)
Solution: You can't choose a game from the same user back to back picks.

1. Its tiggs pick
2. tigg picks a game from JD
3. JD picks a game from tigg (its only fair to allow him to pick from anyone he chooses)
4. Now tigg is up again, but he must choose a game from anyone but JD

Problem: People actively trying to sell/trade games they put in the box.
Solution: Games listed in the forums for sale/trade can't be added to the box. Please also remove them from your available list (simply move them to your collection for the time being)

Problem: "Pick and Run" meaning getting your pick and then removing your games shortly after.
Solution: Since I feel this will only be a big problem the first few days, I ask any game still in the box when it opens be left in the box for 3 days. I don't feel this is an unreasonable request.
Other rules in place for this problem is any game added (once the box starts and after the first 3 days) must remain in the box for 24 hours. In addition you must leave your games in the box at least 24 hours after you make a pick. After that time passes you can remove them.
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
2-Sep-2017
JD wrote:
> tigg wrote:
>> You guys make me feel bad LOL throwing up all these great games and what I have
> to
>> offer isn't mush :( lol
>> Please add:
>> Outlast Trinty PS4
>> Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles (GH umd in regular case) PSP
>> Thanks.. Still looking guys not trying to throw up just trash :(
>
> You could always bundle them like same series
>
>

Bundles are allowed so long as the items are for the same system
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
1-Sep-2017
JD wrote:
> WithinTemptation wrote:
>> JD wrote:
> |>> Already beat both of those lol
> |>>
> |>>
>>
>> What lego games haven't you beat?
>
> Just ones on want list for PS3 PS4 and vita
>
>

Just for you I'll add

LEGO Marvel's Avengers
LEGO Worlds

Both PS4
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
1-Sep-2017
whitefire wrote:
> WithinTemptation wrote:
>> whitefire wrote:
> |>> Anyone know how long Destiny 2's campaign is? I'm almost thinking of just adding
> |>> it now since I have no interest in the MP.
> |>>
> |>>
>>
>> No, but the campaign in the last one was like 4-6 hours tops. I'd expect similar.
>>
>> I'm fine with you adding games not available yet so long as you make a note of
> it
>> on the listing. Then its between you and the picker if they choose you. I do
> want
>> to stay away from pre-orders however.
>
> Ok, this has already shipped, but I'll wait until i get it.
>
>

You can add it now since its so close. Anything more than a week out I'd rather not add.
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
* 1-Sep-2017
whitefire wrote:
> Anyone know how long Destiny 2's campaign is? I'm almost thinking of just adding
> it now since I have no interest in the MP.
>
>

No, but the campaign in the last one was like 4-6 hours tops. I'd expect similar.

I'm fine with you adding games not available yet so long as you make a note of it on the listing. Then its between you and the picker if they choose you. I do want to stay away from pre-orders however.
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
1-Sep-2017
JD wrote:
> Already beat both of those lol
>
>

What lego games haven't you beat?

Topic   trade in 6 games and get 60% at gamestop

WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
1-Sep-2017
I've never traded in there, but this is real tempting. Just hard to find 6 games to trade in that are worth more than $3 lol.
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
1-Sep-2017
JD wrote:
> WithinTemptation wrote:
>> Is there any list with the trade in values without having to type in each game
> individually?
>> Are there any good value son 360 games?
>
> Type in console name in search bar for trade in and viola all games
>
>

Thanks
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
1-Sep-2017
Is there any list with the trade in values without having to type in each game individually? Are there any good value son 360 games?

Topic   RTT Nintendo Entertainment System Super Nintendo NEC PC Engine Sega PlayStation NEC (company) Sega Dreamcast Sega CD Sega 32X Game Boy Color Atari Jaguar Sega Master System

WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
1-Sep-2017
Looks like some pretty solid Sega games were added to the Virtual Box incase you guys were interested.

Topic   The new Virtual Box - Starts TODAY at Noon EST! - Add your items NOW

WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
31-Aug-2017
It's fine, I've been waiting for post to stack up before I add.

Here is what I'm thinking, if you want a chance at first pick and $15-$20 TBD buy in.

For every game valued at $20 or more you add you can have an additional entry into the drawing. Everyone gets 1 entry just by being in the box. If you have 3 games $20+ you will get 4 entries.

Just tell me how many game you have qualify, I'm not going to check value, I'll believe you. Plus others can call you out if it's a big deal. You must post in this thread how many you have. If no post is made you will just get the 1 entry.

Topic   RTT Nintendo Entertainment System Super Nintendo NEC PC Engine Sega PlayStation NEC (company) Sega Dreamcast Sega CD Sega 32X Game Boy Color Atari Jaguar Sega Master System

WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
31-Aug-2017
I'll have to hold off on trying to stream the old stuff for now if I need a $100 elgato, lol.
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
31-Aug-2017
Lunar wrote:
> WithinTemptation wrote:
>> Lunar wrote:
> |>> OBS is free, you can stream anything on your PC. For consoles, you need something
> |>> like a Elgato HD(the older model if you need AV/Component), that's what I use.
> |>>
> |>>
>>
>> For this obs how do viewers see my stream? Is it linked to youtube?
>
> You can link to YouTube or Twitch, might be more others but I only use those two.
>
>
>

I assume you recommend youtube?

For the ps4 can't you just feed the video into your PC?
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
31-Aug-2017
Lunar wrote:
> OBS is free, you can stream anything on your PC. For consoles, you need something
> like a Elgato HD(the older model if you need AV/Component), that's what I use.
>
>

For this obs how do viewers see my stream? Is it linked to youtube?
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
31-Aug-2017
For you streamers what is a good free service to use? I'd one exists that is. And do I need more than my PC? I know nothing about streaming, lol

Topic   The new Virtual Box - Starts TODAY at Noon EST! - Add your items NOW

WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
31-Aug-2017
tonymack21 wrote:
> Quarterly could work and if it doesn't we could take longer breaks..and break whenever
> the steals thread is on. That would be a lot going on
>
>

Quarterly won't work unless the box is much shorter, like a week or even Friday - Sunday
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
31-Aug-2017
Lunar wrote:
> If the box is going to be limited run anyway, I don't think the coin is really
> necessary, but I think instead of 6 months wait, it could be 1 month run, 2 months
> off, and repeat(quarterly), instead of semi annually.
>
>

I understand your view. However every box I've been in my number one issue was people pulling games after they pick. I always thought to myself if I was running the box I'd try and fix it. Without placing heavy penalties to those who pull games (and in turn limit participation) I felt the coin was a fun alternative.
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
* 31-Aug-2017
whitefire wrote:
> I like the coin idea, but maybe if there are this many problems with it, it's better
> if it just goes away.
>
> Honestly, if the thread dies, it's because of lack of good games. Who would want
> use coins at that point anyway?
>
> I think you one month on, blank month(s) off idea is better. We can see if that solves
> the problem.
>
>

Blank month will not work and its been proven in the past. In fact the "breaks" had a negative effect with more games pulled than coming in. I'm not even sure 6 months is a large enough break. This might be a yearly thing. But I'll gauge interest in 6 months to see where everyone is at.

Based on the polls it seems people do want some type of change and try the coin idea. We know for a fact what will happen if we go back to the old style. The coin wont solve this, but I hope it keeps the box relevant for the limited run we are doing.
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
31-Aug-2017
tonymack21 wrote:
> i see, so the only danger is the first person to pick after coin goes into play doesn't
> have anything invested.
>
>
> also isn't someone holding the first pick from being on the clock from the last box?
>
>
>

How about this, the second random person will have a $10 buy in? I can then give that $10 to the final coin holder. Then there would be nobody with a coin to start the next box.
WithinTemptation
Quadruple Gold Good Trader
31-Aug-2017
tonymack21 wrote:
> i see, so the only danger is the first person to pick after coin goes into play doesn't
> have anything invested.
>
>
> also isn't someone holding the first pick from being on the clock from the last box?
>
>
>

There is nobody on the clock from the last box. I'll randomly select someone, but there will be a buy-in. $15-$20 that will go to the final pick.