Electronics

Topic   Any pc builders out there? Need help

tigg
Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
21-Sep(#1)
Ok just updated my rig. Mobo, ram, psu and case only a year old, just updated my CPU and GPU and suddenly having an issue of the PC randomly shutting down ( power button remains on) or it going in a reboot loop, the first time it reboot it will allow me to log in again the reboot again and eventually gets to where it reboot right after the bios screen. I have reseated the ram, checked all connections , reseated the CPU and cleaned and applied new thermal paste. My psu is more than powerful enough and I have watched my temps CPU never gets above 45c and GPU never above 50c under full load. I am stumped. Anyone have any ideas
tonymack21
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 3 Reviews Secret Santa
21-Sep(#2)
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&q=computer...

maybe this can help, it looks like it gives options for win7, 8 and 10.

@RagingShadow07 or @secret_defender or the @The_Pope or @john can prob tell you off the top of their head, they are all knowing.

John
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (13) Secret Santa
21-Sep(#3)
Random reboots like that are a tough one.

It actually gets to the point where it does it right after the BIOS screen?

Did this happen soon after you made changes -- meaning you JUST updated the rig and now this has started ever since then? Or have you been running for a few weeks with the new stuff and then this started?

What specific PSU are you using? And what GPU?
John
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (13) Secret Santa
21-Sep(#4)
Also, as a test, what happens if you go straight into the BIOS and then just let it sit there?

Assuming your BIOS has a health/temp page -- can you just go to that screen and let it sit for a while (10-60 minutes maybe?) and see if it stays pretty stable or not?
tigg
Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
21-Sep(#5)
@john I can't remember what type of psu it is, wanna say cool master 700w, gpu is Nvidia gtx 950 ( nothing huge) . It had rebooted a few time prior to upgrading but never as bad. So leads me to believe if it's a compenant issue it's an older part. As far temps I can get temps on cpu,gpu, Mobo and hdds and they are always fine. I wonder if the psu could possibly be overheating but I don't know how to get the temp on it, and I have put my hand on it right after it starts and it's doesn't seem warm. Also another piece of the puzzle is. If I let it sit for a few hours it will run fine, somes for days or weeks. I'm beating my head against the wall
tigg
Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
* 21-Sep(#6)
Also my bios doesn't have a temp screen but I can monitor from my desktop and sometimes instead of rebooting it just seems to shut down, but the power button is still on and the HDD activity light seems to flash a ittle. ><
RagingShadow07
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 17 Reviews
21-Sep(#7)
Did you update and/or reset your BIOS after upgrading? That solves some random issues sometimes, especially if it's jumping across processor generations.

Sounds to me like the power supply might be the issue. You can always try getting one at Best Buy (EVGA has some cheap models, even the 430W would do you well enough just to test the system) and see if that's the issue. Might be a bad capacitor in the power supply. It's happened to me before.

Let's keep going with Occam's razor for now though. What CPU (and board) do you have, and what do you use to monitor temperatures?
John
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (13) Secret Santa
21-Sep(#8)
I would still go into the BIOS screen and just let it sit there overnight sometime. See if it reboots. Might be good to see if the reboots are related to the Windows installation or not.
tigg
Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
21-Sep(#9)
@RagingShadow07 its a AMD fx-6300 6 core (please no burning ll i just dont like intel lol) and a Biostar TA970 mobo. I use speccy to monitor temps. And sadly... no I did not update or reset the bios.. honestly I really dont know how :(

@john I will have to wait for it to start rebooting again.. After it siting for a little bit of time it will run fine for a good bit of time, which is what leads me to think psu for some reason to. I have 7 fans in my case 4 exhaust on back of the case and 3 intake located front/top/underneath :(
RagingShadow07
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 17 Reviews
21-Sep(#10)
I have a Ryzen 7, so I'd be a hypocrite to say anything bad about AMD. What CPU were you on before? 4100 or 4300 I'm guessing?

Try CoreTemp and see what the readings hit once you put it under some load (start up a game if you have the chance). If it immediately restarts once you put some load on it, the chance of it being temperature or PSU related goes up a lot.

tigg
Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
* 21-Sep(#11)
RagingShadow07 wrote:
> I have a Ryzen 7, so I'd be a hypocrite to say anything bad about AMD. What CPU were
> you on before? 4100 or 4300 I'm guessing?
>
> Try CoreTemp and see what the readings hit once you put it under some load (start
> up a game if you have the chance). If it immediately restarts once you put some load
> on it, the chance of it being temperature or PSU related goes up a lot.
>
>

honestly only thing i remember is that it was an Athlon II X3, I'm a bit behind the times.. even as cheap as pc parts are, i have to upgrade as my disabilty check allows lol

doing some research i believe I am on the most updated bios version for the mobo. Just not finidg much useful as far as reseting it

Hmm Doing some checking.. a new app i downloaded from Biostar and it shows my gpu as my old GTS 450.. but some show my my GTX 950. Hmm that could be causing an issue too... wonder why apps are showing two different ones
tigg
Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
* 21-Sep(#12)
image


also biostar temp monitor shows diferent temps than speccy.. which do you trust lol
RagingShadow07
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 17 Reviews
22-Sep(#13)
AMD temp sensors suck since they're not accurate until the CPU is under load. Those are pulling from the sensor on the die instead of the board (13c is impossible unless you keep your house at 50 degrees).

Try CoreTemp and run a game with it running. It should log the temperature and let you know how hot it got

tigg
Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
22-Sep(#14)
RagingShadow07 wrote:
> AMD temp sensors suck since they're not accurate until the CPU is under load. Those
> are pulling from the sensor on the die instead of the board (13c is impossible unless
> you keep your house at 50 degrees).
>
> Try CoreTemp and run a game with it running. It should log the temperature and let
> you know how hot it got
>
>

looks like speccy is pretty close. Trying to find a game to run.. dont normally play games

image
tigg
Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
22-Sep(#15)
Ugh it pulled it's shut down. Again. Temps were all ok, was just browsing eBay. Everything went off just the power button. I'm ready to give up
John
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (13) Secret Santa
22-Sep(#16)
If it were me and I was stuck, I'd probably swap the power supply at this point to see if that was it.

Well, first, as I said, I'd leave it in the BIOS for a few hours and see if it does it there or not.
bluemetal04
GameTZ Subscriber Silver Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally This user is in chat NOW Secret Santa
22-Sep(#17)
What's the power supply wattage?
RagingShadow07
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 17 Reviews
22-Sep(#18)
John wrote:
> If it were me and I was stuck, I'd probably swap the power supply at this point to
> see if that was it.
>
> Well, first, as I said, I'd leave it in the BIOS for a few hours and see if it does
> it there or not.
>

I'm in agreement here. If you have a Best Buy nearby, grab one of the cheap EVGA models they have. Even the 430W will be more than enough for your system. If it doesn't solve your issue, you've got 15 days to return it.

tigg
Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
* 22-Sep(#19)
@bluemetal04 600w

@John going to do that in just a few and let it run while im sleeping lol

@RagingShadow07 would 450w be able to run the gtx 950? (nvm i googled it requires 350w lol)

and thanks guys for all your help so far
bluemetal04
GameTZ Subscriber Silver Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally This user is in chat NOW Secret Santa
22-Sep(#20)
tigg wrote:
> @bluemetal04 600w
>
> @John going to do that in just a few and let it run while im sleeping lol
>
> @RagingShadow07 would 450w be able to run the gtx 950?
>
> and thanks guys for all your help so far

You may need a higher wattage power supply
John
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (13) Secret Santa
22-Sep(#21)
tigg wrote:
> @RagingShadow07 would 450w be able to run the gtx 950?

Yes, the GTX950 draws only 90W. Even nVidia recommends only a minimum of a 350W PSU for a system with a GTX950. yes
John
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (13) Secret Santa
* 22-Sep(#22)
bluemetal04 wrote:
> You may need a higher wattage power supply

Higher than his 600W? No way. Higher than a 450W? Not for some quick testing as we're suggesting here.
Jayislive
Gold Good Trader
* 22-Sep(#23)
I agree that it could indeed be the power supply, but given the fact that you upgraded the CPU and GPU...my guess would possibly be something is up with that GPU.

I know you said not to mention it, but this is actually one of the reasons I like most Intel CPUs, because it would be a simple test of swapping out the graphics card and running off integrated graphics.

Also, as weird as this sounds. How much RAM sticks do you have? Believe it or not, sometimes when upgrading components funky things happen in where a ram slot/module can die on you for seemingly no reason. Definitely start eliminating points of failure. Only 1 stick? start testing other slots...and go from there. Test all individual slots with each stick of RAM as you go on.

Here is a video of a builder who had a ram slot die for seemingly no reason:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ-w1guteOw

1 stick of ram, 1 storage drive (your boot drive) etc and then go from there. It IS possible that it is the CPU, but I honestly doubt it unless you bent a pin somewhere. GPU, PSU or possibly RAM if I were to guess.

Also could be windows...but I would nuke that as a last resort.
RagingShadow07
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 17 Reviews
22-Sep(#24)
That's definitely another thing you could try, the RAM. You can make a live image of Memtest86+ and let it run for a couple hours to see if you run into any errors. If you find any, there's a huge chance that's the problem.If you have some time and need help making one, let me know. All you need is a flash drive (256MB or bigger).

As far as power supplies go, 450W is more than adequate for your system. My Ryzen and 1080 Ti pull 350 from the wall when gaming (I've measured with a Kill-a-Watt meter), so 450 for a 950 is plenty.


John
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (13) Secret Santa
* 22-Sep(#25)
On the flip side, you could use AMD GPUs like the R9 280Xs that I'm running. They EAT power -- around 200w each. My mining rig with 4 of them is running on dual power supplies.

Recently, my two rigs together started going over 1500 watts at the wall -- so I had to put them on separate 15amp circuits! Doh! smile
RagingShadow07
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 17 Reviews
22-Sep(#26)
John wrote:
> On the flip side, you could use AMD GPUs like the R9 280Xs that I'm running. They
> EAT power -- around 200w each. My mining rig with 4 of them is running on dual power
> supplies.
>
> Recently, my two rigs together started going over 1500 watts at the wall -- so I
> had to put them on separate 15amp circuits! Doh! smile
>

It's crazy how important power consumption has become for GPUs in the last couple of years. Back in the late 2000's all the way to around 2012, it wasn't something anyone really talked about, but when Kepler was released and the efficiency was a leap over anything else on the market, it was the talk of the town. It's a shame NVIDIA cards' compute performance isn't in the same league as AMD's (yet despite that it's nigh-impossible to find a fairly priced GTX 1060 in-stock anywhere anymore).

I'm running my ITX system with an 8-core, 16-thread, overclocked CPU and the fastest consumer GPU money can buy, and it's sitting comfortable on a 600 watt SFX PSU (have you seen an SFX PSU? They're adorable! They fit in the palm of your hand).
John
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (13) Secret Santa
22-Sep(#27)
RagingShadow07 wrote:
> It's crazy how important power consumption has become for GPUs in the last couple
> of years. Back in the late 2000's all the way to around 2012, it wasn't something
> anyone really talked about, but when Kepler was released and the efficiency was a
> leap over anything else on the market, it was the talk of the town.

I know, right? Like, the first time I learned that GPUs had TWO 6/8-pin PCIe power connectors on them because they needed more power than the port (or even ONE PCIe connector) could supply, I was like "What the heck!??"

I really had no idea until I got a bit into coin mining. To be honest, I don't game on my PC, so had no idea about GPU power until very recently.

Plus, what I'm doing is still nothing! I'm complaining about having to use two circuits while other miners are adding another 220v circuit so that they can power another 20 GPUs! DOH! smile

> It's a shame
> NVIDIA cards' compute performance isn't in the same league as AMD's (yet despite
> that it's nigh-impossible to find a fairly priced GTX 1060 in-stock anywhere anymore).

Yeah -- the 1060s and 1070s kind hit that sweet spot for miners. I don't have any of them, but I get why they are being bought up.

> I'm running my ITX system with an 8-core, 16-thread, overclocked CPU and the fastest
> consumer GPU money can buy, and it's sitting comfortable on a 600 watt SFX PSU (have
> you seen an SFX PSU? They're adorable! They fit in the palm of your hand).

Haven't seen one. I am liking the "modular" ones though -- so you don't have to have empty hanging cables that you don't need. yes
tigg
Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
22-Sep(#28)
@john let it sit in the bios screen all morning, no issues
@ragingshadow07 downloaded that program had it running for a good 30 minutes no errors at that point and it then went into reboot :( sounding more and more like a psu issue,. I gonna try to scrape up some money to go to Best buy, gotta see about selling some games I don't get my next disability check til next month.. ugg
Jayislive
Gold Good Trader
22-Sep(#29)
tigg wrote:
> @john let it sit in the bios screen all morning, no issues
> @ragingshadow07 downloaded that program had it running for a good 30 minutes no errors
> at that point and it then went into reboot :( sounding more and more like a psu
> issue,. I gonna try to scrape up some money to go to Best buy, gotta see about selling
> some games I don't get my next disability check til next month.. ugg
Are you talking about running memtest for 30 minutes? Definitely should be left longer than that. Did you try making sure that all ram slots and sticks are working well?
gamer78
Gold Good Trader
29-Sep(#30)
Mine did something like that a few months ago ..kept doing boot cycle turn on turn off .. drove me nuts .. turned out my ram wasn't placed properly.. once I put them back in place it booted just fine and no more error code on the little led on the mother board

Topic   Any pc builders out there? Need help