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Topic   Do you believe in ghosts?

theJaw
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5-Oct(#1)
Just in time for Halloween, some spooky footage was posted a day ago by the principal of Deerpark School in Cork, Ireland.

No Snopes entry yet, but I'm waiting. I believe in ghosts, or at least some semblance of energy, but I admit this footage is pretty hard to believe. Looks like cliche horror effects but I'm interested to see what video effect experts eventually have to say about it.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YqBDPrKt0_8

What do you think?
ninesalone
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5-Oct(#2)
I personally do not believe in ghosts or the supernatural at all. I used to be big into James Randi as well as Penn and Teller and they touched on this topic heavily. Never seen any objective proof and these videos always end up debunked sooner or later.
theJaw
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5-Oct(#3)
I'm not sure if they exist in the form of the usual spooky stuff, I just like this sort of stuff. I believe that something exists as far as atmosphere or energy lingering, which in turn conjure emotions in whoever feels it. Not necessarily fear, but whichever emotion that person's energy emitted during life. Sort of how folks just "feel" something after a loved one passes or something.

I find the concept interesting for sure.
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5-Oct(#4)
I believe ghosts exist but you can't get them on video...properly.
theJaw
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5-Oct(#5)
SirConnery wrote:
> I believe ghosts exist but you can't get them on video...properly.

What do you think of this video in particular?
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5-Oct(#6)
That video is so obviously fake, I'm surprised a gaggle of demon hands didn't reach for the camera at the end. Just your typical poltergeist video really.



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theJaw
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5-Oct(#7)
BloodPuppetX wrote:
> That video is so obviously fake, I'm surprised a gaggle of demon hands didn't reach
> for the camera at the end. Just your typical poltergeist video really.
>
>

Explain the methods!
Shane12m
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5-Oct(#8)
theJAwwww wrote:
> BloodPuppetX wrote:
>> That video is so obviously fake, I'm surprised a gaggle of demon hands didn't
> reach
>> for the camera at the end. Just your typical poltergeist video really.
>>
>>
>
> Explain the methods!

Read the top comment on the video, it has explanation, kinda what I thought when I watched as well. Can't copy the comment on mobile
lpeters82
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* 6-Oct(#9)
Aliens yes, ghosts no. At least not in a form that they can interact or intervene in our lives. Having said that, I still get creeped out by some irrational stuff.
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6-Oct(#10)
theJAwwww wrote:
> SirConnery wrote:
>> I believe ghosts exist but you can't get them on video...properly.
>
> What do you think of this video in particular?

Fake.
JD
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6-Oct(#11)
I do and i've encountered with some but not for long time now
MikeyWhoa
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* 6-Oct(#12)
No. At least not until I see a ghost from the nineties wearing Cross Colours with overalls one-snapped, and some pumps.

All the ghosts people see are from at least 100 years ago. You mean to tell me only ghosts from last millennium get to show up to party?

Where are the 80's cokehead ghosts? The confused, and touchy elderly ghosts? The "Still thinks he's behind the wheel of the car he crashed" ghosts? The dead rapper ghosts? The Billy Mays ghost? Tell me that crap wouldn't be scary as hell.

Dead asleep when suddenly "HI, BILLY MAYS HERE FOR OXYCLEAN!"

Edit: As far as the video is concerned, who the fudge leaves a wet floor sign up overnight on a dry floor?




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theJaw
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6-Oct(#13)
Lol yah the video can easily be a fake but I thought it'd be a fun topic for October.

As for rapper ghosts, well, I think that'd be kinda swell.

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Noid
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* 6-Oct(#14)
This is all I could think of when reading this thread's title. wink

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* 6-Oct(#15)
I think it's a possibility that ghosts exists, just like aliens and God for me.

We're not smart enough or have the proper equipment to know for sure.

It's above and beyond humans, if it exists at all.

So when people say definitively that ANY of these things exist or don't exist - my answer is the same..."how do YOU know????"

lpeters82
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6-Oct(#16)
Do you really think it's like aliens? I guess to me aliens are more of a highly likely mathematical probability. We know the universe is vast and that the elements that create live on earth are vast. It seems unlikely there isn't life somewhere else.
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6-Oct(#17)
Well, I agree with you. It's "like" Aliens in the sense that we can't deny their existence just because WE haven't seen them.

Do I think aliens are more likely than ghosts (and God for that matter)? Absolutely.
theJaw
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* 6-Oct(#18)
I agree aliens seems more likely if we take science into mind. I feel like if ghosts were to exist, there wouldn't really be a science to figure it out. For the record, I think most ghost "hunters" and their little blinky gadgets are bullcrap. I don't believe EMF's = ghost energy. I don't think we on the mortal plane have, or will ever have, the technology to breach life and death haha, so even if ghosts exist I don't think we'll ever have definitive proof. Just gotta go off spooky feelings.

Aliens though, I'd love to find some concrete signs of intellectual life somewhere out there. But if there are aliens, I imagine they're either an unfathomable distance that's unreachable in a human lifetime, or they're just as primitive as we are (i.e. no flying saucers). I only say that because I imagine they'd have openly interacted with us by now, if they had the means to. Of course, maybe they have visited and interacted and we just don't recognize it because we're not, you know, them haha
Admiral
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6-Oct(#19)
Well said yes

It makes your head spin just thinking about it raspberry Good times.

I always consider the fact that our planet probably isn't even "old" in the grand scheme of things. Since humans on earth haven't been here all THAT long, what would humans look like on a planet that's been around for 1000 years longer than us? What about 10,000 years longer?

They are probably crazy advanced, and just too far away to contact us (like you mentioned). OR - they already blew themselves up, like we will someday soon.
theJaw
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* 6-Oct(#20)
Haha very true yes They may have already seen their extinction event... I just hope there is more than one civilized world out there.

In regards to ghosts, here are my "experiences". I quote the word "experience" because, as a 28 year old man, I'm not sure if these events were my pre-teen mind getting carried away or if they really happened.

First one could have easily been a night terror. I was asleep, I "woke up" and there was a man sitting in the middle of my room. He asked some questions, and while doing so, moved to the foot of my bed. I felt like a therapy patient. Eventually I answered one of his questions in a way that displeased him, and his face got extremely twisted and angry and he zoomed right up in front of my face to yell at me. It was fairly quick, and he vanished after that, but I never actually "woke up". I was already awake, from when I had woken up the first time. I remember "seeing" the event in a sepia tone, but as soon as he vanished the color flooded back into my room - but that was it. I was already awake, and my eyes never had to reopen. For a while, that was the reason I considered this a paranormal event - but like I said, could just be a bad dream. I hear the "already awake" thing happening to those who suffer night terrors is somewhat common.

The second is a little more strange. I was laying in my first bedroom. In my house, people had to walk through my room to go to the bathroom. There was no divider or wall in place to create a hallway, they just had to go through my room (it was originally a den). Eventually, I put a dresser type piece parallel to the path to the bathroom so I could have a divider. This dresser had about a foot and a half of space underneath it due to the legs. One night, I noticed some feet walking under them (straight out of a horror cliche) and assumed it was my mother or something. When an old lady walked out from behind it, I was petrified, so I rolled over and closed my eyes as tight as I could. She didn't look at me or say anything, she just walked along like she would have had she been there for real. That was it for that, but the literal next day made this a lot weirder when I saw my father looking through photo albums only to stumble across a photo of the old woman, my great grandmother, who had died in my old house. I realize this seems straight from a horror movie and that's how I felt at the time too. My 28 year old explanation is that I had probably seen a photo of her at some point beforehand, and either I was dreaming (again?) or just seeing things and I just mind-photoshopped her image on there. She did have wild hair. But as a kid, I swore I had never seen a picture of her and this geeked me out for quite a while.
Admiral
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6-Oct(#21)
Pretty awesome stories yes

The thing is - I think we ALL have sane and normal friends/family that have these types of experiences...are they all crazy or lying? Doubtful.

But then again, as you eluded to, the brain is SO powerful - perhaps it's making us think things are there when they are not? Our brains can make people think they still have an arm after it was amputated...who's to say it can't make you think a person is standing in front of you when they are not?
DefaultGen
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6-Oct(#22)
Captain Disillusion is a good Youtube channel on special effects. For a stationary camera like this, the background is static. Someone could run around and bang on all that stuff, then you can edit the person out by taking the unchanging background from the other frames in the video. Change it to black and white, disguise the edited portions with Youtube compression artifacts. Or it could have been done 100 different ways, I dunno, I'm not Captain Disillusion.

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Shane12m
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* 6-Oct(#23)
Can we start a thread on on everyone's ghost stories? Fun to read :) our imaginations can run wild and I think our dreams can run into reality as we are waking up.

I remember very vividly sleeping on my brothers floor when I was 7. I woke in the middle of the night and saw a little ghost girl starring at me while sitting on the Lego bucket, I got so terrified I jumped on my brothers bed and just his my face in the pillow

Another event, I was in the "computer room" which was very isolated from the rest of the house and playing SNES star wars. I then heard and saw the door handle jiggle as if someone was trying to open the door. A few days later my dad showed me the side door of the garage (which was connected to said room) where he noticed what looked like someone tried prying the door open. The door forever scared the crap out of me lol
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6-Oct(#24)
I once thought a squirrel was singing to me. I found out the neighbor kid put a walkie talkie in the bushes as a trick. I was 8.
Noid
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6-Oct(#25)
What song was being sung? smile
theJaw
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6-Oct(#26)
Shane12m wrote:
> Can we start a thread on on everyone's ghost stories? Fun to read :) our imaginations
> can run wild and I think our dreams can run into reality as we are waking up.
>
> I remember very vividly sleeping on my brothers floor when I was 7. I woke in the
> middle of the night and saw a little ghost girl starring at me while sitting on the
> Lego bucket, I got so terrified I jumped on my brothers bed and just his my face
> in the pillow
>
> Another event, I was in the "computer room" which was very isolated from the rest
> of the house and playing SNES star wars. I then heard and saw the door handle jiggle
> as if someone was trying to open the door. A few days later my dad showed me the
> side door of the garage (which was connected to said room) where he noticed what
> looked like someone tried prying the door open. The door forever scared the crap
> out of me lol

Pretty creepy stuff. That second one sounds like it could have been a legit home invasion attempt though haha. Even more spooky.

We can share experiences here for sure. That video is pretty easily faked, i just wanted to stir up the ghost convo, so feel free to share whatever you want on the subject.

My girlfriend experienced creepiness in my old house, too. She was lying in my room waiting for me to come in. She heard what she thought were my foot steps coming up the stairs to the point that she greeted me. I walked up a minute later and she was terrified. Made me check the closets in the hall and everything.

Otherwise, I got hit with one of the "atmospheric feelings" that I was talking about earlier. I feel like if I wasn't just imagining it, then it was my great grandfather. It was in the TB hospital where he died (pretty sure it was just a medical center when he passed in it). It had been abandoned for years at that point though so it was a major "haunted house" spot in my area. I just got to a room where beds barely bigger than cots still were and it was the actually in the early evening, so the sun created that "glowy" vibe. I felt some pretty hardcore chills, the very slightest uneasiness, and that was that.
theJaw
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6-Oct(#27)
Admiral wrote:
> Pretty awesome stories yes
>
> The thing is - I think we ALL have sane and normal friends/family that have these
> types of experiences...are they all crazy or lying? Doubtful.
>
> But then again, as you eluded to, the brain is SO powerful - perhaps it's making
> us think things are there when they are not? Our brains can make people think they
> still have an arm after it was amputated...who's to say it can't make you think a
> person is standing in front of you when they are not?

Yeah the brain is a wild thing. It is possible everything misconstrued as a ghost is just some inner-mind projection or something crazy like that.

Is the idea of ghosts existing solely inside your head better or worse than the normal schtick? haha
dustin11
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6-Oct(#28)
I'm on the fence about ghosts, but I have had one really weird experience that I couldn't explain.

There was a place my Mom worked at occasionally when I was about 13-14 years old, it was a weird hippy place way out in the woods called the Chinook Center. She needed me to get some paper towels in the supply closet so off I went. It was located down a long hall with only 1 door about half way down, the other side of the hall opposite of the side with the door was a wall full of windows with no doors. I was only a few feet into the room, just past the door swing's radius so it could be opened or closed without hitting me while I was fishing out an arm full of paper towels from a large box. As I gathering up my arm full of paper towels, suddenly the light switch flips off and the door slams shut behind me. Being really close to the door, I immediately spun around and opened the door expecting to see my brother running down the hall after trying to play a prank on me. Upon opening the door though, I look both ways down the hall (probably 50' in both direction) and there is no body there. There was only about 3 seconds from when the light switch got switched off, the door shut, and me opening the door and looking down the hall, not enough time for anyone to make it to either end.
razeak
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6-Oct(#29)
On the fence. When I think about the probabilities involved in our existence, it's not really much different to have faith in other things.
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6-Oct(#30)
I believe in ghosts, haven't had any personal experiences though.
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i had an experience a few years ago that still creeps me out today. i was in my room, working on some pc stuff. no one was in there with me. no open windows, and no animals around, and i felt what felt like fingers running through my hair up the back right side of my head. i ran out of there so fast. might have been my grandpa fudging with me, he always teased me when he was alive.
Tony
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7-Oct(#32)
I don't know about ghosts and I don't have any personal experience, but here are a few stories I've heard firsthand:

The day before my stepfather died of cancer, he told me he had seen his mother (who had died several years before) sitting on the end of his hospital bed.

A church friend tells everyone about when her husband was dying of cancer he claims he spoke with several dead relatives before he passed.

A church friend had a motorcycle accident with his teenage daughter riding behind him. She died in the accident. He saw her spirit leave her body and heard her say "goodbye daddy".

I worked a Residents Encounter Christ weekend at a local jail. One of the guys I worked with said his friend (who was also working with us) had an amazing testimony, but rarely shared it. There are numerous stories like Heaven is Real where someone says they died, saw a bright light, and met their relatives and a Jesus figure. I didn't hear it directly from the guy it happened to, but he apparently went somewhere else and what he saw scared him straight.

When I was in college in the mid-70s, one of my humanities teachers brought in a woman who had cancer. A few years before she had gone into the hospital an operation and was given only a small chance of survival. Her boyfriend left town because he said he couldn't deal with it. While on the table, she suddenly found herself looking down at herself on the operating table. She could see everything and heard what was being said. The next thing she knew she was in Chicago, and then in a hotel room with her boyfriend. He was sitting on the edge of the bed, and when she entered he raised his head and said, "you're here, aren't you?" The next thing she knew, she was waking up in the hospital in Louisville. Her description of the OR, the street, motel, and room in Chicago were accurate. I didn't check it out, but we were told her story had been included in the second volume of a book series entitled something like "Life After Death".
Cyco2oo4
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7-Oct(#33)
I do, I've actually had a weird experience years ago.

When I was in the military, I was stationed on the island of Oahu, one of the Hawaiian islands. We went to do a month-long training exercise on the Big Island, the main island of Hawaii. We used to switch out on keeping watch on the camp, and one night I had to stand watch. I can't recall what time it happened, but it was in the early hours of the morning. I was just standing there in the darkness and all of a sudden I saw a light down a road that leads into the base. This road was outside the camp, nobody was outside the camp, and there is literally no civilization near the camp (only burial grounds).So I started to look at this light, it had am amber color, looked like it was about shoulder height, and had a left-to-right rocking motion to it, I started thinking to myself it looked like someone with a damn lantern. Since this was a "real life" training exercise, I had my weapon with me, which had a PEQ-16 on one of the rails, which is basically a flashlight/laser/IR laser combo. The flashlight on that thing was insane, so I shined it and lit everything up, even down the distance. Nothing was there. Turned the flashlight off, the light was gone.

After that, I started to do some research on the area, being as I was bored out of my mine when we weren't training or standing watch. The training area we were at was the Pohakuloa training area. I mapped out the area and found out that the road I saw this light on was called Saddle Road. I started doing research on that road, and came across an article that said the road was used to transport goods by foot. There was a picture in the article and it literally left me speechless. It was a picture of a Hawaiian native with a lantern.
Shane12m
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7-Oct(#34)
Cyco2oo4 wrote:
> I do, I've actually had a weird experience years ago.
>
> When I was in the military, I was stationed on the island of Oahu, one of the Hawaiian
> islands. We went to do a month-long training exercise on the Big Island, the main
> island of Hawaii. We used to switch out on keeping watch on the camp, and one night
> I had to stand watch. I can't recall what time it happened, but it was in the early
> hours of the morning. I was just standing there in the darkness and all of a sudden
> I saw a light down a road that leads into the base. This road was outside the camp,
> nobody was outside the camp, and there is literally no civilization near the camp
> (only burial grounds).So I started to look at this light, it had am amber color,
> looked like it was about shoulder height, and had a left-to-right rocking motion
> to it, I started thinking to myself it looked like someone with a damn lantern. Since
> this was a "real life" training exercise, I had my weapon with me, which had a PEQ-16
> on one of the rails, which is basically a flashlight/laser/IR laser combo. The flashlight
> on that thing was insane, so I shined it and lit everything up, even down the distance.
> Nothing was there. Turned the flashlight off, the light was gone.
>
> After that, I started to do some research on the area, being as I was bored out of
> my mine when we weren't training or standing watch. The training area we were at
> was the Pohakuloa training area. I mapped out the area and found out that the road
> I saw this light on was called Saddle Road. I started doing research on that road,
> and came across an article that said the road was used to transport goods by foot.
> There was a picture in the article and it literally left me speechless. It was a
> picture of a Hawaiian native with a lantern.

That is spooky, but it is known that our brain will literally start hallucinating when lacking sleep. It could have been that.
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I'm one of those skeptics that really, really fudging wants to have an experience that makes me believe. The main reason to hold on to belief comes from some childhood friends of mine.

They lived in this really old, really creepy house (I found out last year a ton of houses in that area are supposedly "haunted"). The kids would report multiple sightings, all of the same people. The one that still gives me shivers, though, is their mom's experience. She was in labor in the master bedroom, and saw a woman.

Later, a local historian came, and asked if they had seen anything in the house, and not only described what the kids had seen, but also described to the letter what the mom had seen in labor, all without knowing their experiences. A woman died in childbirth at that house.

The next owners remodeled a ton, then one day just packed up some clothes and left all their belongings. Sold the house dirt cheap with everything in it.
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8-Oct(#36)
What if ghosts is actually aliens? Talk about twist
Shane12m
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8-Oct(#37)
JD wrote:
> What if ghosts is actually aliens? Talk about twist

I believe that if there are ghosts, they are really demons or something not pleasant at all.
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"Ghost" means the same thing as "spirit", but with a somewhat negative connotation.There are both benevolent and malevolent spirits. Those who believe/trust in God/Creator are less vulnerable to evil spirits than those who don't.
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Topic   Do you believe in ghosts?