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Topic   Considering a new TV....any thoughts?

Admiral
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16-Oct(#1)
I need a huge one. 75" or above. So, I checked Best Buy's website and sorted them by price (4K HDR only).

Best Buy 4K HDR TV's 75"+

I have done a little reading on them, but overall I am new to "gaming TV" specs. Any thoughts on these? I hear good things about the Vizio TV's, but only certain models. Sony and Samsung are popular, but overprices maybe?

Would appreciate any input on the TV's there...

Thanks!
tonymack21
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* 16-Oct(#2)
I def have things about this, tag for later.

I love www.rtings.com, they really put TV's through their paces and one of the rating categories is gaming and hdr gaming. but they do all aspects.

be careful with vizio's. they are good tvs and all, but they use the dolby vision standard for HDR and unless they have added it in a recent update the game systems use HDR10.

Admiral
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16-Oct(#3)
yes Good to know about the Vizios!!!

I would love to hear your input at some point, if you don't mine.

I'm leaning towards one of the mid-range Sony's....unless the LG Oled 77" comes down from $10k to $2500 in three months smiley:::raspberry

I used to buy the "newest and best" TV tech, but now I think going with "last year's newest and best" is the way to go, until tomorrow's becomes last year's...
tonymack21
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* 16-Oct(#4)
same, I got a Samsung KS8000 near the end of last year after the next model in that line came out and got it at near half retail (under a G!, its only 49" lol) and couldn't be happier with it, its gorgeous. at the time it was the best set out there besides the OLED stuff and the next model didn't rate at a marked improvement and actually rated poorer if slightly in a couple categories.

on the sony which they all will now pretty much but be sure it has the triluminous display. I had a sony 800 series before this Samsung and while it was great and in some cases handled motion better it didn't have true hdr due to the lack of that display but they have been using it since so its unlikely a concern anything now is gonna have it.

for the size and price im liking that XBR75X850E sony, I had an 800 series sony 4k and liked it a lot (as mentioned just a sec ago lol) need to see what the rtings guy tested it at. its got the hdcp2.2 and all that, so its a little future proof too, and works with Alexa and all that if you are into that.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850e here is the review, these guys are very picky and hard on TV's. this set looks solid for the price at the 75 inch size.




if you could live with a 65 this thing is a beast https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NAYM1TP?tag=g...
rtings rated this the best gaming tv of 2017


DefaultGen
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16-Oct(#5)
I just go to rtings and displaylag and sort by input lag when shopping for a TV. I still play Rock Band 3 smiley:::raspberry

Admiral
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16-Oct(#6)
DefaultGen wrote:
> I just go to rtings and displaylag and sort by input lag when shopping for a TV.
> I still play Rock Band 3 smiley:::raspberry
>
>

smiley:::grin I bought a $1650 55" 1080P Samsung (great reviews) a while back...the input lag is so bad I've NEVER been able to play Rock Band. For other games, it seems good enough though.

I'm trying to improve the input lag when I buy a new TV though yes
Admiral
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16-Oct(#7)
tonymack21 wrote:
> same, I got a Samsung KS8000 near the end of last year after the next model in that
> line came out and got it at near half retail (under a G!, its only 49" lol) and
> couldn't be happier with it, its gorgeous. at the time it was the best set out there
> besides the OLED stuff and the next model didn't rate at a marked improvement and
> actually rated poorer if slightly in a couple categories.
>
> on the sony which they all will now pretty much but be sure it has the triluminous
> display. I had a sony 800 series before this Samsung and while it was great and
> in some cases handled motion better it didn't have true hdr due to the lack of that
> display but they have been using it since so its unlikely a concern anything now
> is gonna have it.
>
> for the size and price im liking that XBR75X850E sony, I had an 800 series sony 4k
> and liked it a lot (as mentioned just a sec ago lol) need to see what the rtings
> guy tested it at. its got the hdcp2.2 and all that, so its a little future proof
> too, and works with Alexa and all that if you are into that.
>
> http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850e here is the review, these guys are
> very picky and hard on TV's. this set looks solid for the price at the 75 inch size.
>
>

I'm kind of leaning towards that one yes Maybe the price will drop around Black Friday.

>
>
>
> if you could live with a 65 this thing is a beast https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NAYM1TP?tag=g...
> rtings rated this the best gaming tv of 2017
>
>

I looked at that, but honestly - I don't think I could live with 65". My current one is a 55", and my living room is quite large. At my old apartment, 55" was gigantic, but it's too small in the new house. I think I need size as much as I need response time etc.
Admiral
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16-Oct(#8)
Does anyone know if HDR 10 or Dolby Vision HDR is better?
tonymack21
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16-Oct(#9)
ya in my living room the 49 is great, its not a huge room and I am not that far back from it. that was up from a 43 which was a little small. my kids have 40s which for their bedrooms which is great size for the room, and I have a 55 in my bedroom which is way oversized, its an older projection wega but it was my best friends' who passed of brain cancer a couple years back and I just cant get rid of it.

couldn't knock that sony set if that is the way you're leaning, it looks really solid and if you can get it around or better than that price looks like you'd really enjoy it.


speaking of kids TV's and just budget level TV's in general, I got the kids TCL sets last year around Christmas and ive been overwhelmingly impressed with them, they were only 250 and they are ridiculous for that price, have roku built right in, and a lot of tcl sets handle games really well, so If you are looking for something on the lower end or extra room those sets are really good for the money.

tonymack21
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* 16-Oct(#10)
Admiral wrote:
> Does anyone know if HDR 10 or Dolby Vision HDR is better?


HDR 10 is a static system -- the HDR metadata establishes picture settings at the beginning of the movie, TV show, etc. and remain constant throughout. Content is mastered with 10-bit color and peak brightness of 1000 nits (Samsung's SUHD TVs claim peak brightness of 1000 nits, too).

Dolby Vision is a dynamic system -- the HDR metadata can tell the TV to change brightness range on a scene-by-scene or even frame-by-frame basis. Content is mastered with 12-bit color and peak brightness of 4000 nits (no current TVs can fully reproduce these ranges, BTW).


its not so much which is better, though it can be argued that DV is more versatile, its does your source feeding the tv support it? game systems and most things use the more wider adopted HDR10, if your tv doesn't have hdr10, you don't really get hdr. and the other way around.
edit: may not be true anymore, see below lol

some TV's have settings that create "faux hdr" but its in my experience fugly and messes up the real hdr feed. hdr boosting features etc are usually recommended to be left turned off. 4k uhd blu rays use hdr 10 as well



EDIT: so im reading some stuff now that says some of the DV users like LG and Vizio are adding hdr 10 support via software upgrades, so looks like it may be just as viable to have a set with it, a year or so ago it was said if you are gonna game get hdr10
https://www.cnet.com/news/dolby-vision-vs-hdr10-ho...

Admiral
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16-Oct(#11)
Wow, great info yes Thanks man!!! I'm going to do a little reading myself just to catch up a little. I haven't purchased a TV in a while, so I am a little behind on the tech.
tonymack21
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* 16-Oct(#12)
ya I don't buy them often, I try and keep up with them some because I think its interesting but always do a lot of reading still. unless the ps5 and whatever the next xbox is (the actual comp to the ps5) does something higher than 4k, I hope to get 6 or 7 years or more out of this one.

I do like the sony for the 2499 is sub 75" is a deal breaker.

the thing about them is you just have to find something you will be happy with for awhile, no matter what something bigger and better will be out in 6 mos. my set was like the best LED out there not a year ago and im sure there are several better now.
Tony
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16-Oct(#13)
I don't follow new tech the way I used to, but I have to agree that it makes more sense to buy "last years state-of-the art over current state-of-the art". Unless you need the latest and greatest, there is always something better coming out and prices of electronics drop so rapidly on the previous model that it just doesn't make sense to pay for the newest item. And don't bother "waiting for the price to come down further".

Several years ago I was in a Wal-mart and they had their display models on sale. I bought the 720p Sanyo 42" plasma monitor. Because it was just a monitor and not a TV, I also bought a combo DVD/VCR with an HD tuner so I could get HD channels and take advantage of the HD resolution. The regular price was $3,600, but they had sold all of the boxed ones and were selling the display model for $1,200 because they didn't need it any more. Look at what that kind of money buys today. It buys even more when you adjust for differences in value of dollars for the year referenced
Admiral
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16-Oct(#14)
@Tony Totally hear you!!! I actually just scored this sucker for FREE last month....

https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1766209,00.a...

Mounted it in my basement, and it looks pretty good. Sounds incredible to be honest. The speakers on the sides are amazing and can be removed, so I mounted them on the ceiling.

But to think a 42" 720P plasma cost $3500 12 years ago!!! CRAZY.
tonymack21
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* 16-Oct(#15)
lol I know, I remember getting our first color tv as a kid, 19 inch, and then I remember how huge 25 looked. now it all moves so fast and sets from just a few years ago look so inferior now

my first hdtv was a mid-ish lg model, about 2008-2009 maybe, shortly after my divorce is the only reason I remember. it was pretty nice at the time, around 700 ish. but the sony I had and this Samsung make it look like a windows 3.11 era computer monitor lol


even older content like 360 stuff looks like a different world on a much higher end set


six
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16-Oct(#16)
I got a tcl tv I like it a lot, pretty good picture but you seem to have a bigger budget then i did.
tonymack21
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16-Oct(#17)
ya I mentioned a few posts back that sub 500 tcl is pretty good :) been real impressed with the ones I got the kids last year.

Sun
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16-Oct(#18)
I'm also in the market for a new TV to upgrade from my 46" 1080p Samsung that I got in 2008 (I was using a 55" Panasonic 1080p that I got in 2014 but it broke).

I've been following slickdeals for advice (terrible) but have definitely learned a lot. Sounds like Vizio M or P series is the way to go if you're trying to get bang for your buck. OLEDs from LG seem to be the best if you're looking for a premium TV, but that'll run you close to $2000 retail for a 55".

I'm waiting until Super Bowl season as that's when the deals are usually the best (better than Black Friday). Hoping I can snag an 65" OLED from LG for $1700 or less.
SirConnery
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16-Oct(#19)
75 inches? Is there a problem you need to talk to us about? We'll be your support system! love
Admiral
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16-Oct(#20)
laughing out loud

There's Connery again, trying to get me to talk about my genitals...
SirConnery
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17-Oct(#21)
Get a 60" tv and then lasek with the money you saved!
SirConnery
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17-Oct(#22)
I have a next door neighbor that just bought a superduty pickup he's only planning on plowing his driveway with. He has a separate luxury car for his daily driving.
dustin11
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17-Oct(#23)
OLEDs are getting alot cheaper. There has been the 2017 55" B7A for sub $1500 recently and the 65" for $2100. I'm holding out for black Friday but I hope I can find either a 55" B7A for around $1200 or a E7 for around $1500. Another feature to look out for is HLG which makes old content backwards compatible with HDR.
Sam
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17-Oct(#24)
a 75 inch pvm

theJaw
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17-Oct(#25)
Get a Prince Robot:

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Tony
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18-Oct(#26)
SirConnery wrote:
> I have a next door neighbor that just bought a superduty pickup he's only planning
> on plowing his driveway with. He has a separate luxury car for his daily driving.
>
Several years ago I was vacationing on Maui when I couldn't help buy overhear two guys at the table next to us at a restaurant. They were saying that the developer came to the construction site the day before in his Lambourghini. They were really mocking him for it. One asked the question, "What is he doing with a car that will do 250 mph on an island where the longest stretch of straight road is 8 miles?"
Huh
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18-Oct(#27)
I picked up a 65' Sony Bravia 4K Smart TV a few weeks ago on sale for $899. Thing is awesome!

Admiral
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18-Oct(#28)
yes That's a nice price for a big TV.

I am pretty sure I would "think" I'm missing out if I don't get HDR though smiley:::wry smile
Huh
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18-Oct(#29)
I think it has HDR.

tonymack21
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* 18-Oct(#30)
most any 4k set out there above the low range "should" have hdr now

dustin11
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18-Oct(#31)
Yeah, only some of the TLCs don't, but I would still make sure that at least HDR10 is supported or you're missing out on a pretty big image quality increase.
Sun
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18-Oct(#32)
HDR is also a broad term now:
https://www.cinema5d.com/whats-deal-color-bit-dept...

You'll see terms like "fake HDR", and fake "4K":
http://4k.com/news/lthree-of-lgs-4k-tvs-offer-pseu...
Admiral
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18-Oct(#33)
Is that right?? I didn't think there were many 65" models for that low with HDR.

Sucks then that 10" more costs $1600 extra dollars!!!!
Huh
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18-Oct(#34)
65 inches is huge. Why the hell do you need more tv than that?

Admiral
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18-Oct(#35)
My living room is big.
MentalVortex
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18-Oct(#36)
You can get a 1080p projector with 200 inch screen for around $1500. Or I think you can get a 4k projector for around $6000. I'll never go back to a TV again.
SirConnery
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18-Oct(#37)
You must be blind as a bat. smiley:::smile
Admiral
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18-Oct(#38)
I've been told projectors aren't recommended for daily viewing. Plus, even with a big living room, space for a projector screen is not readily available.

@SirConnery or, my living room is REALLY big.
Admiral
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18-Oct(#39)
I love that people are upset that I would like a large tv smiley:::raspberry
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18-Oct(#40)
Admiral wrote:
> I love that people are upset that I would like a large tv smiley:::raspberry

we just wish we balled as hard as you :p


SirConnery
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18-Oct(#41)
I also have a REALLY big living room. My TV is 37". I don't believe in using a TV where the people displayed are bigger then I am in real life. smiley:::raspberry
SirConnery
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18-Oct(#42)
tonymack21 wrote:
> Admiral wrote:
>> I love that people are upset that I would like a large tv smiley:::raspberry
>
> we just wish we balled as hard as you :p

This.

Your living room must span the entire first floor of your house. You may need to have a contractor come in and take down part of the wall to help bring in a tv big enough for the space, then repair the wall. Make sure you choose wisely.
theJaw
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18-Oct(#43)
Oh you want a big TV. Try the Prince's father, King Robot:

image

had to, sorry
SirConnery
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18-Oct(#44)
I thinking more the 173" Titan display. Or if you're supper baller, the 370" model. It's bigger then an elephant.

http://titanscreens.com/indoor.html
Sun
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18-Oct(#45)
Huh wrote:
> 65 inches is huge. Why the hell do you need more tv than that?

Ultimately it depends on the viewing distance:
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-big-a-tv-should-i-...

My living room downstairs is where I do my gaming, and it's an open-floor concept with the kitchen and dining area, with a huge sectional that spans 2/3s of the room, facing the fireplace where the TV is mounted above. The sectional is 12 feet away from the TV. I had a 55" TV mounted higher and it did the job, but seemed a bit small. I'm now looking at a 65", if not bigger, to mount.
Admiral
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18-Oct(#46)
Well, my house was very reasonably priced... But it's fairly big and open inside. My first floor is 1400sqft and it's only the kitchen, dining room, and living room. The living room is about half that.

Anyhoo, Sun is right. Viewing distances say I'm OK going with 75" smiley:::smile
EclipseLion
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* 19-Oct(#47)
This tv is 75 inches, and the industry standard HDR 10. Find an open-box one at best buy and it's only $2299.99 before taxes

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850e

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-75-class-74-5-di...

Admiral
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19-Oct(#48)
That's the one I was looking at, but none available open box near me smiley:::frown
Admiral
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19-Oct(#50)
85" Should be enough!!! Little pricey though. How's that Leeco brand??
tonymack21
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19-Oct(#51)
Admiral wrote:
> How's that Leeco brand??

doesn't look like they rate out like the sony's and others. if you can find that sony x850 at your price it may be the best fit for what you're goin for.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/leeco/super4

Admiral
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19-Oct(#52)
Local best buy has this thing in 78", open box since it was a display. It is missing the remote (WTF?) and has a ding in the corner of it....so they took $1100 off the price, down to $2200. I'm not sure I can put up with a ding for $2200....but man is it huge and a beaut other than the ding.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku7500
six
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19-Oct(#53)
Can I move in? I won't be able to pay but I can keep your big tv warm and give it some company !
Admiral
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19-Oct(#54)
love
PlayYing
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19-Oct(#55)
Why not wait until Black Friday?
SirConnery
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19-Oct(#56)
Might need a moving van to pickup some of these tvs. smiley:::raspberry
EclipseLion
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* 19-Oct(#57)
@Admiral do you mind having that sony we're both looking at shipped to your door? I saw it for cheaper here and here

the first is on eBay for $1,999 but is a refurb, the 2nd is from this site eBUY USA for $1,845 New but you'd need to call them first before placing an order according to this Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/hometheater/comments/5oyz...

Look for the post by HighLikeAladdin

dustin11
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20-Oct(#58)
I've not heard very good thing about ebuy. Bate and switch site according to a bunch of SD users.
Admiral
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20-Oct(#59)
@PlayYing I probably WILL wait for Black Friday - but how many BF deals are on REALLY nice TV's? I usually see the "43.5in. Sceptre for $12.78!!!!" deals more often than not smiley:::dead face


@SirConnery BestBuy says they can ship the 78" Samsung to me house smiley:::wink

@EclipseLion Not a bad look there. I'm not sure if it's worth saving the $500 to go with a refurb from Ebay though...especially since I can get 0% financing from BB, or 5% in Rewards.


Admiral
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20-Oct(#60)
That being said - how do you guys feel about curved screens? Samsung is the only one left still doing them...most sites say it's a gimmick...
six
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20-Oct(#61)
They are okay but I prefer a flat tv. My dad has one and there's not much a difference , doesn't make it any immersive.
tonymack21
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20-Oct(#62)
i dont think we will see the curved stuff stay that long, seems gimmicky and i looked at them but they dont seem to really add anything. for a time they were pricier too and without adding anything other than looking futuristic it didnt seem worth the money. i was also thinking games put a lot of stuff in the corners and wondered if it would look a little weird

dustin11
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20-Oct(#63)
I have a curved OLED and I don't even notice that its curved when watching it, I see no benefit to a curved screen.
Admiral
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20-Oct(#64)
Good points yes

I think I've narrowed it down to these two TV's...

Vizio M75-E1 $2000

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/m-series-xl...

Sony XBR75X850E $2500

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850e

There are advantages and disadvantages to both...but I don't think anything the Sony does better is worth the extra $500.

I'm leaning towards the 75" Vizio M Series.
dustin11
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20-Oct(#65)
Go with the Vizio. That extra $500 for the Sony TV is the "Sony tax", where they slap on a few hundred dollars extra to the total cost because of the name which they've been riding since the Trinitron.
Admiral
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20-Oct(#66)
Hmmm, but now that I'm reading about the input lag - the Sony beats it pretty good. Plus, I'm in the minority here - I kinda like the 120hz smoothing effect (Soad Opera effect) which the Vizio doesn't have!

Decisions, decisions...

I agree with you @Dustin about the Sony tax...but this Sony does appear to be quite a nice TV.
dustin11
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* 20-Oct(#67)
The Sony set has like 9.0-4.0ms better input leg when at 1080 and 4k for gaming but when watching 4k content at 60HZ then the Vizio has an input leg that's twice as good as the Sony set. It looks like the Sony is better at handling gaming input leg by a really small margin, but the Vizio is substantially better outside gaming.
dustin11
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20-Oct(#68)
Sony:

4k @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode : 110.8 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode: 106.9

Vizio:

4k @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode: 55.0 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode: 57.1 ms

Admiral
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* 20-Oct(#69)
But wouldn't I always want to be in "Game Mode" if I'm playing a game?

And is 9ms not significant? (I'm truly asking...I am new to input lag ms talk!)
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20-Oct(#70)
A vizio tv will probably have a crappier and slower interface than a Sony
dustin11
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20-Oct(#71)
Are you planning on using it most for gaming or mixed between gaming and tv/movies?
Admiral
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20-Oct(#72)
Definitely a mix. It's going to be my main living room TV.
Admiral
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* 20-Oct(#73)
darkslime wrote:
> A vizio tv will probably have a crappier and slower interface than a Sony

True. Plus, the Sony has Android TV built in, the Vizio uses Smartcast or something. But I have a Shield TV to use, so the app interface isn't going to be used much.

My top three concerns:

Vizio has higher input lag.
Vizio doesn't have 120hz.
Sony doesn't have local dimming.
Sony is $500 more.
Sony doesn't have DolbyVision HDR.
dustin11
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20-Oct(#74)
Admiral wrote:
> But wouldn't I always want to be in "Game Mode" if I'm playing a game?
>
> And is 9ms not significant? (I'm truly asking...I am new to input lag ms talk!)

You're looking at >.009 seconds of lag, I don't think it would really a missive noticeable issue. I think the threshold for noticeable difference is 15+.
dustin11
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20-Oct(#75)
Admiral wrote:
> Definitely a mix. It's going to be my main living room TV.

The Sony has an input leg which is almost 50ms higher than the Vizio when watching tv/movies, that's probably going to be noticeable, especially when audio isn't matching the onscreen action.
Admiral
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20-Oct(#76)
First of all, I can't help but laugh every time you type "Input Leg"...definitely sounds like a penis reference.

But, great points all around. Do you think I'll have any issue with Guitar Hero/Rock Band games with either TV?

Should I get over my love of the much-hated 120hz???? Is 60hz really better???

You're awesome for helping me out with this!!! yes
dustin11
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20-Oct(#77)
lol, you would probably get a kick out of the whole thing if my spell check didn't catch me putting "imput leg" each time I attempted to type it.

From what I was reading real quick a few different links, just using an HDMI in general is cause for input lag on Rockband, but Mad Catz said their new guitar tech is supposed to auto calibrate, but its still not perfect. Even people who had tvs with lag as low as 22ms were reporting lag and had to manually calibrate their instruments, so I think its something you should expect regardless of which set you end up with.
Admiral
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20-Oct(#78)
yes It sounds like you know more about this stuff than me, so I think I'm going to take your advice and save the $500. I'm sure I won't be disappointed either way!
dustin11
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20-Oct(#79)
I pretty much just did a few searches asking really specific questions about certain things. I've never played Rock Band but it seems to be the one game that is most affected by input leg but that game also seems to have issues with all kinds of HDTVs regardless of input leg numbers. I would personally go Vizio because the input lag difference in gaming is minimal, the lag difference in the tv/movie aspect is a massive and will probably be far more noticeable. I didn't look at any of the other features other than that so there may be others here that could offer more insight to the TVs outside of the input lag category.
Admiral
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20-Oct(#80)
The other ones I noticed the most (in favor of the Vizio) are:

1. Dolby Vision
2. Local dimming
3. $500

smiley:::smile

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