I need a huge one. 75" or above. So, I checked Best Buy's website and sorted them by price (4K HDR only).Best Buy 4K HDR TV's 75"+
I have done a little reading on them, but overall I am new to "gaming TV" specs. Any thoughts on these? I hear good things about the Vizio TV's, but only certain models. Sony and Samsung are popular, but overprices maybe?
Would appreciate any input on the TV's there...
Good to know about the Vizios!!!
I would love to hear your input at some point, if you don't mine.
I'm leaning towards one of the mid-range Sony's....unless the LG Oled 77" comes down from $10k to $2500 in three months
I used to buy the "newest and best" TV tech, but now I think going with "last year's newest and best" is the way to go, until tomorrow's becomes last year's...
same, I got a Samsung KS8000 near the end of last year after the next model in that line came out and got it at near half retail (under a G!, its only 49" lol) and couldn't be happier with it, its gorgeous. at the time it was the best set out there besides the OLED stuff and the next model didn't rate at a marked improvement and actually rated poorer if slightly in a couple categories.
on the sony which they all will now pretty much but be sure it has the triluminous display. I had a sony 800 series before this Samsung and while it was great and in some cases handled motion better it didn't have true hdr due to the lack of that display but they have been using it since so its unlikely a concern anything now is gonna have it.
for the size and price im liking that XBR75X850E sony, I had an 800 series sony 4k and liked it a lot (as mentioned just a sec ago lol) need to see what the rtings guy tested it at. its got the hdcp2.2 and all that, so its a little future proof too, and works with Alexa and all that if you are into that. http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850e
here is the review, these guys are very picky and hard on TV's. this set looks solid for the price at the 75 inch size.
if you could live with a 65 this thing is a beast https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NAYM1TP?tag=g...
rtings rated this the best gaming tv of 2017
> I just go to rtings and displaylag and sort by input lag when shopping for a TV.
> I still play Rock Band 3
I bought a $1650 55" 1080P Samsung (great reviews) a while back...the input lag is so bad I've NEVER been able to play Rock Band. For other games, it seems good enough though.
I'm trying to improve the input lag when I buy a new TV though
> same, I got a Samsung KS8000 near the end of last year after the next model in that
> line came out and got it at near half retail (under a G!, its only 49" lol) and
> couldn't be happier with it, its gorgeous. at the time it was the best set out there
> besides the OLED stuff and the next model didn't rate at a marked improvement and
> actually rated poorer if slightly in a couple categories.
> on the sony which they all will now pretty much but be sure it has the triluminous
> display. I had a sony 800 series before this Samsung and while it was great and
> in some cases handled motion better it didn't have true hdr due to the lack of that
> display but they have been using it since so its unlikely a concern anything now
> is gonna have it.
> for the size and price im liking that XBR75X850E sony, I had an 800 series sony 4k
> and liked it a lot (as mentioned just a sec ago lol) need to see what the rtings
> guy tested it at. its got the hdcp2.2 and all that, so its a little future proof
> too, and works with Alexa and all that if you are into that.
> very picky and hard on TV's. this set looks solid for the price at the 75 inch size.
I'm kind of leaning towards that one
Maybe the price will drop around Black Friday.
> rtings rated this the best gaming tv of 2017
I looked at that, but honestly - I don't think I could live with 65". My current one is a 55", and my living room is quite large. At my old apartment, 55" was gigantic, but it's too small in the new house. I think I need size as much as I need response time etc.
> Does anyone know if HDR 10 or Dolby Vision HDR is better?
HDR 10 is a static system -- the HDR metadata establishes picture settings at the beginning of the movie, TV show, etc. and remain constant throughout. Content is mastered with 10-bit color and peak brightness of 1000 nits (Samsung's SUHD TVs claim peak brightness of 1000 nits, too).
Dolby Vision is a dynamic system -- the HDR metadata can tell the TV to change brightness range on a scene-by-scene or even frame-by-frame basis. Content is mastered with 12-bit color and peak brightness of 4000 nits (no current TVs can fully reproduce these ranges, BTW).
its not so much which is better, though it can be argued that DV is more versatile, its does your source feeding the tv support it? game systems and most things use the more wider adopted HDR10, if your tv doesn't have hdr10, you don't really get hdr. and the other way around.
edit: may not be true anymore, see below lol
some TV's have settings that create "faux hdr" but its in my experience fugly and messes up the real hdr feed. hdr boosting features etc are usually recommended to be left turned off. 4k uhd blu rays use hdr 10 as well
EDIT: so im reading some stuff now that says some of the DV users like LG and Vizio are adding hdr 10 support via software upgrades, so looks like it may be just as viable to have a set with it, a year or so ago it was said if you are gonna game get hdr10https://www.cnet.com/news/dolby-vision-vs-hdr10-ho...
I don't follow new tech the way I used to, but I have to agree that it makes more sense to buy "last years state-of-the art over current state-of-the art". Unless you need the latest and greatest, there is always something better coming out and prices of electronics drop so rapidly on the previous model that it just doesn't make sense to pay for the newest item. And don't bother "waiting for the price to come down further".
Several years ago I was in a Wal-mart and they had their display models on sale. I bought the 720p Sanyo 42" plasma monitor. Because it was just a monitor and not a TV, I also bought a combo DVD/VCR with an HD tuner so I could get HD channels and take advantage of the HD resolution. The regular price was $3,600, but they had sold all of the boxed ones and were selling the display model for $1,200 because they didn't need it any more. Look at what that kind of money buys today. It buys even more when you adjust for differences in value of dollars for the year referenced
@Tony Totally hear you!!! I actually just scored this sucker for FREE last month....https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1766209,00.a...
Mounted it in my basement, and it looks pretty good. Sounds incredible to be honest. The speakers on the sides are amazing and can be removed, so I mounted them on the ceiling.
But to think a 42" 720P plasma cost $3500 12 years ago!!! CRAZY.
Get a 60" tv and then lasek with the money you saved!
I have a next door neighbor that just bought a superduty pickup he's only planning on plowing his driveway with. He has a separate luxury car for his daily driving.
OLEDs are getting alot cheaper. There has been the 2017 55" B7A for sub $1500 recently and the 65" for $2100. I'm holding out for black Friday but I hope I can find either a 55" B7A for around $1200 or a E7 for around $1500. Another feature to look out for is HLG which makes old content backwards compatible with HDR.
> I have a next door neighbor that just bought a superduty pickup he's only planning
> on plowing his driveway with. He has a separate luxury car for his daily driving.
Several years ago I was vacationing on Maui when I couldn't help buy overhear two guys at the table next to us at a restaurant. They were saying that the developer came to the construction site the day before in his Lambourghini. They were really mocking him for it. One asked the question, "What is he doing with a car that will do 250 mph on an island where the longest stretch of straight road is 8 miles?"
Yeah, only some of the TLCs don't, but I would still make sure that at least HDR10 is supported or you're missing out on a pretty big image quality increase.
You can get a 1080p projector with 200 inch screen for around $1500. Or I think you can get a 4k projector for around $6000. I'll never go back to a TV again.
> Admiral wrote:
>> I love that people are upset that I would like a large tv
> we just wish we balled as hard as you :p
Your living room must span the entire first floor of your house. You may need to have a contractor come in and take down part of the wall to help bring in a tv big enough for the space, then repair the wall. Make sure you choose wisely.
> 65 inches is huge. Why the hell do you need more tv than that?
Ultimately it depends on the viewing distance:https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-big-a-tv-should-i-...
My living room downstairs is where I do my gaming, and it's an open-floor concept with the kitchen and dining area, with a huge sectional that spans 2/3s of the room, facing the fireplace where the TV is mounted above. The sectional is 12 feet away from the TV. I had a 55" TV mounted higher and it did the job, but seemed a bit small. I'm now looking at a 65", if not bigger, to mount.
Why not wait until Black Friday?
@Admiral do you mind having that sony we're both looking at shipped to your door? I saw it for cheaper here
the first is on eBay for $1,999 but is a refurb, the 2nd is from this site eBUY USA for $1,845 New but you'd need to call them first before placing an order according to this Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/hometheater/comments/5oyz...
Look for the post by HighLikeAladdin
I've not heard very good thing about ebuy. Bate and switch site according to a bunch of SD users.
I have a curved OLED and I don't even notice that its curved when watching it, I see no benefit to a curved screen.
Go with the Vizio. That extra $500 for the Sony TV is the "Sony tax", where they slap on a few hundred dollars extra to the total cost because of the name which they've been riding since the Trinitron.
The Sony set has like 9.0-4.0ms better input leg when at 1080 and 4k for gaming but when watching 4k content at 60HZ then the Vizio has an input leg that's twice as good as the Sony set. It looks like the Sony is better at handling gaming input leg by a really small margin, but the Vizio is substantially better outside gaming.
4k @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode : 110.8 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode: 106.9
4k @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode: 55.0 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode: 57.1 ms
Are you planning on using it most for gaming or mixed between gaming and tv/movies?
> A vizio tv will probably have a crappier and slower interface than a Sony
True. Plus, the Sony has Android TV built in, the Vizio uses Smartcast or something. But I have a Shield TV to use, so the app interface isn't going to be used much.
My top three concerns:
Vizio has higher input lag.
Vizio doesn't have 120hz.
Sony doesn't have local dimming.
Sony is $500 more.
Sony doesn't have DolbyVision HDR.
> But wouldn't I always want to be in "Game Mode" if I'm playing a game?
> And is 9ms not significant? (I'm truly asking...I am new to input lag ms talk!)
You're looking at >.009 seconds of lag, I don't think it would really a missive noticeable issue. I think the threshold for noticeable difference is 15+.
> Definitely a mix. It's going to be my main living room TV.
The Sony has an input leg which is almost 50ms higher than the Vizio when watching tv/movies, that's probably going to be noticeable, especially when audio isn't matching the onscreen action.
First of all, I can't help but laugh every time you type "Input Leg"...definitely sounds like a penis reference.
But, great points all around. Do you think I'll have any issue with Guitar Hero/Rock Band games with either TV?
Should I get over my love of the much-hated 120hz???? Is 60hz really better???
You're awesome for helping me out with this!!!
lol, you would probably get a kick out of the whole thing if my spell check didn't catch me putting "imput leg" each time I attempted to type it.
From what I was reading real quick a few different links, just using an HDMI in general is cause for input lag on Rockband, but Mad Catz said their new guitar tech is supposed to auto calibrate, but its still not perfect. Even people who had tvs with lag as low as 22ms were reporting lag and had to manually calibrate their instruments, so I think its something you should expect regardless of which set you end up with.
I pretty much just did a few searches asking really specific questions about certain things. I've never played Rock Band but it seems to be the one game that is most affected by input leg but that game also seems to have issues with all kinds of HDTVs regardless of input leg numbers. I would personally go Vizio because the input lag difference in gaming is minimal, the lag difference in the tv/movie aspect is a massive and will probably be far more noticeable. I didn't look at any of the other features other than that so there may be others here that could offer more insight to the TVs outside of the input lag category.
The other ones I noticed the most (in favor of the Vizio) are:
1. Dolby Vision
2. Local dimming