Hello, I like to rank things. @bonham2 can attest.
I update this thread with new topics so the GTZers can share their definitive rankings of said topic. It's a great time.
Current Topic: Your Top 10 (or 5) Movies of 2017
Past Topics: 1. Rank the Batman films 2. Rank the X-Men films 3. Your Top 10 TV Shows 4. Your Top 10 Favorite Albums 5. Your Top Favorite Fictional Characters 6. Rank Your Favorite Nicktoons 7. Your Top 10 90's Nick Shows 8. Your Top 10 SNES Games 9. Your Top 5 Favorite Video Game Locations 10. Your Top 5 Video Game Frustrations 11. Your Top 5 Horror Movies 12. Your Top 5 Thanksgiving Foods 13. The Christmas Edition 14. Your Top 10 Superhero Movies
OG Batman movie post:
So, for other folks who watch stupid superhero stuff, Rank! Those! Stupid! Batman movies!!! I don't expect everyone to have seen all the ones on my list but if you've seen any, share your lists in the thread. Or don't, jerk.
GTZ's favorite is Batman Begins. This is indisputable.
1. The Dark Knight image Classic. Iconic Joker, great adaptation of Two-Face. Batman's mythos in the Nolan trilogy took its most interesting turn with the ending with Batman's metaphorical sacrifice. It was the ultimate grounded approach at a Batman movie, finding perfect ways to integrate those comic book moments.
2. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm image The only animated Batman movie to get a theatrical release is still one of the best. I'm huge into Batman: The Animated Series, and this movie is one of the best "entires" in that series and just one of the best takes on Batman in general.
3. Batman Returns image Completely off nostalgia alone. This was among my favorite movies as a kid and remains a favorite Christmas movie. Michael Keaton had great nuance, especially as Bruce Wayne. Danny DeVito's Penguin was as memorable as it was gross. It wasn't a particularly great movie and it hasn't aged well, but I'll always love it.
4. Batman Begins image Really dug the subtle, grounded approach of this movie - it was easily the most grounded of the Nolan movies. I'm a big fan of Ra's Al Ghul and, while I would have liked a legitimately immortal take on the character, Liam Neeson's man-in-the-shadows-creating-a-myth version was great for this universe.
5. Batman (1989) image Another classic, the logo to this movie is etched into my nostalgia goggles for all-time. Nicholson's Joker is a legend at this point, and again, Keaton was fun as a straight-faced Batman.
6. The LEGO Batman Movie image Will Arnett as the voice of Batman rules. All the cameos, both voice-wise and character-wise, were great. It was a fun spoof on Batman movies in general, with things kids and adults could both like.
7. The Dark Knight Rises image Great way to top off the Nolan trilogy, but a little lesser than the other movies. I love Tom Hardy's Bane - even the voice. He came off sinister and brutal, and it was great to see Nolan so closely adapt the Knightfall stuff from the comics. That gets points alone. It did go a little long, and the third act was a little bit of a let down, but still a fun time.
8. Batman: The Movie image Like the LEGO Batman movie, this one is great for a few laughs. Adam West's dumbed-down "comic story" Batman was so much fun, and the colors of this movie were great. And then there's the bomb scene, which may be my single favorite Batman scene ever just for the sheer absurdity.
9. Man of Tomorrow (BvS fan edit) image You'll see where BvS actually ends up, but I dug this fan edit as it seamlessly meshed both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. While a lot of the problems were still there (especially in the majority BvS section), I was in awe at how well the edits to make one epic Batman/Superman movie worked out - as well as the edits that did fix plot points.
10. Batman Forever image Underrated in my opinion, because a lot of people would rank this as far down as Batman & Robin which is an insult. This wasn't a great movie by any means, and Tommy Lee Jones' awful take on Two-Face was just a poor-man's Batman 89' Joker, but Jim Carrey as Riddler was cool and the Robin origin scene was fun. The ending was awful, Robin being a grown ass man was awful, and Kilmer's Batman was forgettable. But I still thought the movie was okay.
11. 1940's Batman serials image I'll just count both of the serialized theater series in one spot since they're decently obscure nowadays. These episodes were on TV on Christmas day when I was a kid, and I remember watching it from my Batman: The Animated Series tent that I got that morning. Fun to re-watch every now and then for that alone, but it's real awkward seeing some of the subject matter.
14. Batman & Robin image If this list were ranked for comedy, this may beat out both Batman '66 AND the LEGO Batman movie. But alas. Clooney was phoning it in completely, Robin was still an adult, Batgirl was cringey, Mr. Freeze was gosh darn perfect and the Poison Ivy/Bane duo were the worst.
13. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Tomorrow image This movie was awful. Affleck's Batman was just about the only thing I dug about it. But just the performance and look itself. The writing for Batman, besides Bruce Wayne's initial hesitance toward Superman, was pretty awful. Having him climb on a ceiling the first time we see him, his whole Martha schtick, his willingness to main (even if it was fun to watch).
14. Suicide Squad image Does this movie count? Mostly Batman villains, the Joker/Harley Quinn combo and a short Batman cameo. I'll count it, but the movie sucks so this entry pretty much just exists to reiterate that.
Tough to rank. I like Batman 1966, Batman Forever, and Batman & Robin as much as The Dark Knight and Batman 1989. I guess the Dark Knight edges out being my favorite because it's such a well made movie.
The stupid Batman movies are tremendously underrated. Batman has as much history being a weirdo in a bat suit with a child sidekick fighting a guy who thinks he's the reincarnation of King Tut as he does being a dark, brooding badass. Stupid Batman is awesome. He's just a comic book character.
> I've never liked Batman. Batman Begins was alright. The other newer ones were hot
"I've never liked Batman" explains why you think the movies are hot garbage.
> What the fudge even are half of those Batman "movies" listed? Here's the short list
> of the ones that matter:
> Batman 1966
> Batman 1989
Why did you put the word movies in quotes? They're uh.... other Batman movies.
> Watch Batman Begins in ten years, that crap is gonna look like Jabba in the Special
> Edition of New Hope
I'm convinced you've never seen Batman Begins if you're comparing it to the CG mess that was Jabba in ANH. Batman Begins doesn't rely on CG or effects like that whatsoever. It'll probably look fine in 10 years.
> Returns, Forever, & & Robin are acceptable in a b way, the characters and sets/shots
> are amazing
I can agree. Terrible movies but they are fun in that "b-movie garbage" way.
> Under the Red Hood
That would be near the top of my list of direct-to-home animated movies. I was going to throw a list of those here but fudging Batman you know?
1. Batman Begins (TDK is so overrated) 2. Batman 1989 (Nicholson is the best live-action Joker...deal with it) 3. The Dark Knight - I firmly believe that Heath Ledger's joker gets more credit due to his early death. He isn't even playing Joker. He's just playing a random crazy person. 4. Batman Returns 5. Batman Forever - I know it's campy as hell, but it's still a lot of fun. Jim Carrey is great in it. 6. Batman v Superman - Superman is my favorite super hero, but they really blew it with this one. 7. Batman & Robin - This is crap
Suicide Squad - This is not a Batman movie. He makes a cameo. The movie is also way better than people give it credit for. Lego Batman Movie - Haven't seen it Batman The Movie - Never actually saw it. I hate the old TV show, so I have no interest.
@bonham2 Ledger's Joker is actually a mixture of the 2008 "Joker" comic book take on the character (released the same year as TDK) and the more sociopathic takes on him from the late 80s/90s. It was a different take than the usual Joker at the time but it was definitely based off other incarnations of the character - obviously with a little of Ledger's input. I can see the argument that the movie's popularity was in part due to his death - but at the same time, his ACTUAL last movie, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, didn't do nearly as well.
But come on BUD, Suicide Squad sucked. It was just a choppy mess of a movie with the most paper thin plot. I agree it doesn't really count as a Batman movie but I just love pointing out how crapty of a movie it is.
Suicide Squad had the cast and the talent behind the camera to make a great film. Apparently the script was awesome and I can see bits of that poking through. But the studio interference fudgeed it. It was ultimately a 2 hour trailer. Not good.
>The Dark Knight - I firmly believe that Heath Ledger's joker gets more credit
> due to his early death. He isn't even playing Joker. He's just playing a random crazy
Absolutely agree, he sounded like Booger from the Nerds movies most of the time. He flat out sucked as The Joker, which is my favorite DC character. Between him and Jared Leto, the character has been completely destroyed in the movies. I'd rather watch an Aquaman movie, than another Batman, with either of them playing The Joker. Not a fan of Bale as Batman or Caine as Alfred either.
As far as the best Batman movie, none of them really stands out to me, so I can't say. Definitely not The Dark Knight though.
Alrighty, since no one but bonham has posted a ranking, here's the NEXT GTZ Ranks topic: X-Men movies. Rank the movies that exist in the cinematic X-Men universe. If any thread-newcomers see this and still want to share their rankings for the last topic, Batman movies, feel free.
If it ends up just being me ranking a bunch of movie series, SO BE IT. I don't expect long write-ups, I just choose to do that with my downtime haha
1. X-Men: Days of Future Past - Since my #2's release, this spot would have belonged to it. But I rewathed a few X-movies recently and realized that I just couldn't shrug off the fact that DoFP is a perfect X-Men movie, combining all of the best aspects of the comics into a movie. Time travel, Trask & the Sentinels, Magneto vs. Xavier, Magneto AND Xavier, an entertaining Wolverine storyline, and a mash-up of the timelines. The third act is one of the most memorable of the franchise.
2. X-Men: Apocalypse - The comic book fan in me can't help but hold this admittedly uneven blockbuster high among the list. Whereas DoFP found a way to mesh all the great aspects of the X-Men in general, Apocalypse meshed all the best aspects of the late 80's/early 90's era of the team. Apocalypse was played about as well as any adaptation of him could be, and I didn't mind the oversimplified "take over the world" plot as that perfectly reflected something like The Animated Series.
3. Deadpool - On any given day, this movie could steal the #1 spot. I've only enjoyed it the more times I've seen it and I enjoyed it a ton the first time. Aside from being a "superhero" movie, this movie played like a classic action movie but with a hero completely aware that he was in said action movie. It gets point for wit alone, the comedy is what sets it apart from the rest.
4. X2 - By and large the best entry of the OG X-Men trilogy. Wolverine was on fire at this point, popularity-wise, so it was the perfect time to tell his origin story. Yes, X2 should be the X-movie most considered a faithful origin story. It was the perfect way to get across what created the version of the character we had cinematically: by placing it as a backdrop to a larger team X-Men tale.
5. X-Men (2000) - This is the movie that started a craze. You can argue it was technically Blade, but Blade didn't re-ignite the staggering world of comics like X-Men did. Hugh Jackman redefined a character that really was a lot different in the comics, and Bryan Singer reimagined the characters in the perfect way to bring them to the screen in the new millennium. This will always be a nostalgic favorite for me though, got me so into comics when I was 10.
6. X-Men: First Class - Loved the prequel despite the inconsistencies it also added to the seies at that point (mostly due to a few prior movies' portrayals of certain characters/events). Thankfully most of it was corrected in DoFP, which actually strengthens this movie as a whole by placing it in a completely separate timeline, existing apart from the future that the OG X-Men movies portrayed as was the original intent. Strong performances helped this one out, and made fan favorites of Xavier, Magneto and especially Mystique.
7. Logan - This movie really is a top notch movie but it's so far down on my list because, with X-Men movies, I tend to gravitate more toward the full team-ups. It's how I remember the characters and how I prefer them. That said, I feel there are only 2 truly bad movies in this series, and those are my #9 and #10 picks for a reason. Logan stands over the rest as a great straight-up western/action movie, and I can appreciate it as the perfect cap to this series of films. But I'm afraid I'll always be a team-up X-Men guy, for the most part.
8. The Wolverne - I dig this movie enough, though I can totally say it's a run-of-the-mill take on the character. I appreciated Logan getting a Japan-based story as that location played such a memorable part in his comic book lore. But I can't shake the feeling that this movie just wasn't as memorable as the earlier movies and featured a third act that completely gave into the conventional superhero beats that the movie had made a point to avoid up to that point.
9. X-Men: The Last Stand - I recognize that this is a bad movie, overstuffed with characters and villains and a plot that didn't understand some of the primary characters at their cores - even killing off a few for as if they were side characters as opposed to vocal points of the first 2 movies. That said, I also feel this one is slightly underrated, as it does a good job in certain areas (Beast being the primary one). I'm also a fan of the third act, to be honest. Criticized for being too "over the top", like my placement of Apocalypse would suggest, I dig that in an X-Men movie to an extent. I liked the Wolverine/Dark Phoenix stand-off, even if the movie fumbled that storyline for the most part.
10. X-Men Origins: Wolverine - This movie is just flat awful. I can appreciate it for its sheer absurdity and over-the-top nature, but this one took it a step too far for me: it incorporated a convoluted over-the-top plot with several attempted "twists" that couldn't have made the movie worse if they tried. This was just a big old swing and whiff.
1. Logan - This movie is awesome. Hands down, my favorite X-Men movie. 2. Deadpool 3. X-Men - I don't know why this one doesn't get more credit. I have always liked this movie. 4. Days of Future Past - I really like the new cast, and I really dig the relationship between Eric and Charles. The inclusion of Wolverine helps this top First Class. 5. First Class - See #4 minus Wolverine 6. X2 - I don't get the love. Why do people tend to love the 2nd in a superhero series? TDK, Spiderman 2, X2... 7. The Last Stand - First off, they had a terrific concept with mutants choosing to be "cured". Magneto's assault on the island at the end is great. Everything else kind of sucks. Stupid dialogue and bad decisions ruined what could have been an amazing movie. 8. The Wolverine 9. X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Man these movies were bad. Especially this one. Wolverine had cartoon claws. Enough said.
Apocalypse - I still haven't seen this one. I own it, but I've been waiting for a day where I can sit down with my 6 year old son. He has watched every one with me (except Deadpool and Logan), and now we are finally caught up. He LOVES them, so I'm waiting until we have the time.
There are only 2 live action batman movies worth a damn and that's Burton's first batman and Nolan's first batman. Batman the Animated Series might actually be the best batman experience you'll find though. Great bang for your buck.
I was just thinking about this, so this should be fun to try and come up with.
1. Lost - No show has ever came close to grabbing me like this one did. I was all wrapped up in theories and discussion, and the show rarely disappointed. Some of my favorite characters from any show, and the mysteries of the island just sucked me in. It did go a little downhill with the last couple seasons, but I was pretty happy with the ending. 2. Stargate SG-1 - I struggle deciding between this and Firefly, but Stargate gets the nod for me because of it's length. 10 seasons and they were all superb up until the last 2 or 3. One of my favorite things about this show is how realistic it felt, despite being a show about traveling to other worlds and meeting different races. It also had great characters and some really interesting plots. 3. Firefly - If it was ranking your favorite one season of any show, Firefly would probably be #1 for me. Unfortunately there's only one season (and a movie), so it drops a little on my list, but it's still one of my favorite shows. Best characters in any show, hands down, along with great writing and a very unique feel. 4. The Office - I'd say there's a big drop off after my top 3, but I still absolutely love The Office. The absolute funniest show to me with some of the most likable and hilarious characters. 5. Game of Thrones - In one word: epic. One of the most badass and interesting shows ever. Amazing stories and characters with tons of drama, action, and even some humor. 6. Doctor Who - A classic. As a big sci-fi fan, this show pushes all my buttons. Such an imaginative and unique show. Unfortunately I sort of lost interest with the new doctor. 7. Psych - Hilarious and watching it always puts me in a good mood. It's one of those shows where the plot or story doesn't necessary matter because the character interaction is just so funny, and at times, heart-warming. 8. Battlestar Galactica - My only complaint with Battlestar Galactica is the pace. The show can just drag with many filler episodes, but the overall story and characters are great. If it would have been reduced by about 20% to remove some of the filler, it would have been a far greater show, in my opinion. 9. Prison Break - The first season is a masterpiece. Extremely gripping and exciting with great characters and smart writing. The following seasons couldn't live up to the first, and really went downhill after the third, or else it would be higher on my list. 10. The Shield - I wasn't sure where to put this because it's been so long since I watched it. I remember absolutely loving it, so I wanted to make sure it got on the list. I'm not generally a big fan of cop shows, but this one was different.
Honorable mentions (in no order):
Arrested Development Whose Line is it Anyway? Law & Order: SVU Black Mirror The Simpsons Family Guy Futurama House of Cards Dexter Shameless
10.Scrubs 9.MASH 8.Roseanne 7.Late Night with Johnny Carson 6. Animaniacs 5.You Bet Your Life with Groucho Marx 4.WCW Nitro 3.Dean Martin Celebrity Roasts 2.Married With Children 1.America's Got Talent
TOP 10 Breaking Bad Game of Thrones Westworld Impractical Jokers Survivor The Office 24 Jackass The Walking Dead Parks & Recreation
Honorable Mentions The Daily Show with Jon Stewart Colbert Report The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson Pinky and the Brain Arrested Development Dexter It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia The League How I Met Your Mother Goldbergs Friends Family Guy Futurama MacGyver Thundercats Home Improvement Hogan's Heroes Star Trek: The Next Generation
Breaking Bad is my clear number one, after that Game of Thrones and Westworld are probably 2A and 2B. Beyond that they could be in any order or swapped out with some of my honorable mentions. I feel a bit bad about having a show like Survivor, but it really is a show that my family looks forward to watching together each week. Same thing with Jackass, but in that case it just came out at the right time. It was my freshman year of college and the guys in the dorm would get together to watch it most weeks.
ya I knew it had been around I remember some of the old stuff, I have seen a couple eps of the newer stuff, with the really popular tall/thin doctor, though I know several of the newer guys have been popular lol.
1. Walking Dead 2. Game of Thrones 3. Boardwalk Empire 4. Vikings 5. Last Kingdom (netfix) 6. Orange is the new Black 7. House of Cards 8. Fear the Walking dead 9.The Last Ship 10. Stargate SG1
Thunder Cats (original) Transformers Gen 1 Family Guy Futurama MacGyver (not the new crap) F is for Family It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia The League The Office Battlestar Galactica Stargate Atlantis
Seeing lots of Walking Dead and am kinda baffled. It's a good show but the writing is so uneven that it gets laughable at points. This past season was garbage save for JDM's portrayal of Negan (which still doesn't really even do the comic character justice all that well).
Some sort of goal or endgame needs to be established at some point asap. I love the comics' idea of being a never-ending Romero-style scenario but it just doesn't translate as well to the screen. What makes a story good is a sense of direction, a goal. Simply surviving isn't a good enough goal and after 7 seasons, that's DEFINITELY starting to show.
I still need to finish Six Feet Under. Apparently it's one of the best finales in TV history so I need to finish. Left off somewhere in season 3 or 4 years ago, then restarted it with the lady. I need to just binge it all, even though it can get real heavy and bingeing it can be kind of a mood killer. Anyhow, I definitely feel like that could rank among my Top 10 if I'd just finish it haha
> I still need to finish Six Feet Under. Apparently it's one of the best finales in
> TV history so I need to finish. Left off somewhere in season 3 or 4 years ago, then
> restarted it with the lady. I need to just binge it all, even though it can get real
> heavy and bingeing it can be kind of a mood killer. Anyhow, I definitely feel like
> that could rank among my Top 10 if I'd just finish it haha
My wife cried her eyes out like every episode in season 6 and some of the episodes were a punch in the gut. The final scene of the last episode was hands down the best scene I've ever watched in a TV show. Without that scene I don't know if it would have cracked my top 10.
> Seeing lots of Walking Dead and am kinda baffled. It's a good show but the writing
> is so uneven that it gets laughable at points. This past season was garbage save
> for JDM's portrayal of Negan (which still doesn't really even do the comic character
> justice all that well).
> Some sort of goal or endgame needs to be established at some point asap. I love
> the comics' idea of being a never-ending Romero-style scenario but it just doesn't
> translate as well to the screen. What makes a story good is a sense of direction,
> a goal. Simply surviving isn't a good enough goal and after 7 seasons, that's DEFINITELY
> starting to show.
I put it in mine, but I do agree that's it's growing a bit stale. Still, there have been very few shows where I always watch them the night they come out, and The Walking Dead is one of those shows. To be clear, my list isn't a list of the shows I think are critically the best. It's a list of shows that over the years I have enjoyed the most.
Yeah and that's what I wanted the lists to be, I just personally couldn't consider that one a favorite - though I have watched it live every night it's aired since it started. There have been extreme highs for that show, but ever since Season 3, there have been awful stretches of mediocrity.
I'm watching at this point because I still feel invested, but that investment is dwindling the more and more I watch.
New topic: Your Top 10 Favorite Albums (or close to)
Music lovers, post it up. No order.
1. In the Aeroplane Over the Sea - Neutral Milk Hotel 2. The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me - Brand New 3. Mean Everything to Nothing - Manchester Orchestra 4. Brother's Blood - Kevin Devine 5. Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Silence - Glassjaw 6. We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank - Modest Mouse 7. Good Mourning - Alkaline Trio 8. People Who Can Eat People Are the Luckiest People in the World - AJJ 9. Domestica - Cursive 10. Another Side of Bob Dylan - Bob Dylan
1. Nas - Illmatic 2. Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid MAAd 3. MosDef Talib Kweli- Blackstar 4. Wutang Clan Enter the 36 Chambers 5. Smashing Pumpkins- Siamese 6. John Coltrane- A love 7. Cold World- How the Gods Chill 8. Killing the Dream - In Place Apart 9. A Tribe Called Quest- Low End 10. The Roots- Things fall apart.
Ooh dang... so assuming greatest hits albums don't count? Cause this would be really different. These would be some that I spent a lot of time with at certain points
Def Leppard - pyromania Def Leppard hysteria Journey- escape Live- throwing copper Pearl jam- ten Metallica- ride the lightning Bon-Jovi slippery when wet Bush- sixteen stone Eagles - hotel California Rush moving pictures
New toppy time. Your Top 10 Fictional Characters. Or 5, no order, this one was kinda tough.
It's smelling awful rank in here.
1. John Locke - LOST 2. Atticus Finch - To Kill A Mockingbird 3. Oberyn Martell - Game of Thrones 4. Brother Justin - Carnivale 5. Bruce Wayne/Batman 6. Randal - Clerks 7. Al Swearengen as he's portrayed in Deadwood 8. Tyrion Lannister - Game of Thrones 9. Furiosa - Mad Max: Fury Road 10. Walter White - Breaking Bad
1 - Mike Ehrmantraut 2 - Johnny Drama 3 - Christopher Moltisanti 4 - Jimmy McGill/Saul Goodman 5 - Dexter Morgan 6 - Carl Brutananadilewski 7 - Claire Underwood 8 - Richard Harrow 9 - Tywin Lannister 10 - Rocko the Wallaby