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Sun
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* 17-Oct-2017(#1)
What an awful way to start the season:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRe-AdlD4uQ
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* 18-Oct-2017(#2)
i cant see this as im at work but im assuming that's the Gordon Hayward play that is being accused of being a dirty play by LeBum James. looks like one of those unfortunate things that happens though. it is a sad way to start. the Celtics were going to make the east at least mildly interesting, and the rockets and wolves loaded up a little to possibly make the west a little more interesting with than just the warriors and spurs, but now its just likely barring other injuries another warriors cavs, which is probably what it was gonna be anyway. nba needs a tighter salary cap, these superteams are bad for the league.

Osiris
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18-Oct-2017(#3)
Next man up, the pundits will totally write off Celts with 81 games left. I will be interested to see how the Cavs manage their older players throughout the season.

Who's top after Cavs in the east now, Bucks, Wizards, who else?
Like to see if Celts can get the #3 seed, but difficult and not sure how Cavs are going to play out the regular season for seeding.

What a weird thing to happen 5 minutes into season!

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18-Oct-2017(#4)
tonymack21 wrote:
> i cant see this as im at work but im assuming that's the Gordon Hayward play that
> is being accused of being a dirty play by LeBum James. looks like one of those unfortunate
> things that happens though. it is a sad way to start. the Celtics were going to
> make the east at least mildly interesting, and the rockets and wolves loaded up a
> little to possibly make the west a little more interesting with than just the warriors
> and spurs, but now its just likely barring other injuries another warriors cavs,
> which is probably what it was gonna be anyway. nba needs a tighter salary cap,
> these superteams are bad for the league.
>
>

Whoever's saying it was dirty on Lebron's part are off base. But Crowder definitely hip checked Hayward while he was in the air. Probably just meant to disturb the play but ended up with, well, that.
Admiral
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18-Oct-2017(#5)
LeBron went in for one of his highlight blocks, and ended up hitting the guy. Anyone that has played basketball has done it, and it's an accident. We ALL want that stuff at the rim where it's ALL BALL. LeBron isn't out to hurt anyone, least of all Gordon Hayward wry smile

Such a shame too. Hayward has become a legitimate star, and seems like a good dude. Hopefully he comes back strong and this doesn't ruin his career.

As for the games? Cavs barely squeak by a lesser, and crippled, Celts. With Kyrie and some role players, I still see the Celts being top 4 in the East.


Rockets get tons of help to knock off the champs. Are they going to get that every night? Nick Young was great for GSW...loved him in L,A.

So far - great start!!!!!
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18-Oct-2017(#6)
ya i don't think it was intentional at all, it will just be talked about. im not a james fan but I don't think he would hurt the guy on purpose.

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18-Oct-2017(#7)
@Admiral they only squeaked by a crippled Celtics AND Marcus Morris has still yet to play. He'll be a major player for the C's this year. I feel awful for Hayward but there is hope yet for those of us in Boston haha
Sun
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18-Oct-2017(#8)
tonymack21 wrote:
> i cant see this as im at work but im assuming that's the Gordon Hayward play that
> is being accused of being a dirty play by LeBum James. looks like one of those unfortunate
> things that happens though.

If anything, it was dirty on Crowder. Undercutting someone or bumping someone when they're in the air (and the defender is on the ground) is dirty. Lebron challenging the alley-oop defensively is not dirty at all.
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18-Oct-2017(#9)
Admiral wrote:
> As for the games? Cavs barely squeak by a lesser, and crippled, Celts. With Kyrie
> and some role players, I still see the Celts being top 4 in the East.
>
> Rockets get tons of help to knock off the champs. Are they going to get that every
> night? Nick Young was great for GSW...loved him in L,A.

Some of those Celtic's may be "role-players" now, but Tatum and Brown are future stars.

I just don't see Paul / Harden working. Both need the ball. Harden isn't a off-the-ball, spot-up, slashing type. He excels in the triple-threat position. Paul isn't a spot-up shooter. I expect Paul to get a injury that'll put him out for a weeks, given his age and injury history, and that'll allow Harden to do what he does.

Swaggy P looked incredible. To get a guy like that, and to be able to coach him into the system where he's going to get open looks like that with all the attention on their superstars, what a situation for him to be in.
Admiral
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18-Oct-2017(#10)
theJaw wrote:
> @Admiral they only squeaked by a crippled Celtics AND Marcus Morris has still yet
> to play. He'll be a major player for the C's this year. I feel awful for Hayward
> but there is hope yet for those of us in Boston haha

yes Agreed. Tatum is going to be a superstar too. With Hayward out, whom everyone expected to be the #2 guy I assume, I think Tatum steps up HUGE.
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18-Oct-2017(#11)
Sun wrote:
> Admiral wrote:
>> As for the games? Cavs barely squeak by a lesser, and crippled, Celts. With Kyrie
>> and some role players, I still see the Celts being top 4 in the East.
>>
>> Rockets get tons of help to knock off the champs. Are they going to get that every
>> night? Nick Young was great for GSW...loved him in L,A.
>
> Some of those Celtic's may be "role-players" now, but Tatum and Brown are future
> stars.
>
> I just don't see Paul / Harden working. Both need the ball. Harden isn't a off-the-ball,
> spot-up, slashing type. He excels in the triple-threat position. Paul isn't a spot-up
> shooter. I expect Paul to get a injury that'll put him out for a weeks, given his
> age and injury history, and that'll allow Harden to do what he does.
>

Agree agree agree.


> Swaggy P looked incredible. To get a guy like that, and to be able to coach him
> into the system where he's going to get open looks like that with all the attention
> on their superstars, what a situation for him to be in.

Absolutely!!! Being a nice spot up guy with some athleticism, and not having weight on him to perform like he did in L.A., he's going to be a nice fifth option (yikes, 5 legit options!)
Osiris
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18-Oct-2017(#12)
West will be very entertaining, but am questioning if Cavs East dominance will continue given roster changes and mileage on those bodies.
Celts younguns are promising, but unproven, so any other team in the East ready? Will check out Bucks tonite.
Admiral
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18-Oct-2017(#13)
I would love to see Porzningis blow up this year and be the core of an talented, unselfish, athletic Knicks team. They are much better off w/o Melo.
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18-Oct-2017(#14)
Admiral wrote:
> I would love to see Porzningis blow up this year and be the core of an talented,
> unselfish, athletic Knicks team. They are much better off w/o Melo.

How dare you attempt to fill me with such optimism!
Karaiya
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18-Oct-2017(#15)
Did they start a week or two early!!??
theJaw
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18-Oct-2017(#16)
Indeed they did!
Sun
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18-Oct-2017(#17)
Karaiya wrote:
> Did they start a week or two early!!??

They wanted to eliminate 4 games in 5 nights (2 games, 1 day off, 2 games) and the only way to do that without changing the # of games was to move up the start of the season.
Sun
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18-Oct-2017(#18)
I'm hoping that in this off-season, they'll do away with conferences and divisions and just put the Top 16 teams in a playoff. The schedule would be adjusted accordingly. Playing each team twice gets you 58 games. The remaining 24 will be determined based on your W/L from the previous season. So a team like Golden State wouldn't play the 5 worst teams in the league 3 times, but just twice. This allows for SoS to be scaled relative to how good your team was the previous season. This would also eliminate a dominant team in a crappy division getting to play bad teams 3x a season (aka Pacific Division) or a dominant division having to play tougher games (Southwest Division back in the 07-08 season where 4 teams made the playoffs).
ODB
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* 18-Oct-2017(#19)
I missed the draft and I'm not up on hoops like I used to be. Can anyone tell me if any who my sleepers are, who the bums are, who if anyone besides steph is elite, who is really good on the cusp and might jump up and who is solid middle of the road filler.

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Osiris
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* 18-Oct-2017(#20)
NBA and Silver seem to be open to new ways of doing things, so maybe they will revamp division/playoff organization.
NBA moving up big time in overall popularity.
Cuban's opinions of NFL future seem more on-point than anyone thought at the time.
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18-Oct-2017(#21)
I am larhelp in favor of that but guys leave and some teams change year to year..not the next year's guys fault that a LeBron James takes his talents to south beach and those guys left get their heads kicked in all year. But I am wit you in that current system sucks.

I think a tighter salary cap would help alot.. keep these gus from stacking up and have the Elite players spread out like back in the 80s/90s.

Sun
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18-Oct-2017(#22)
I would imagine a hard cap would never be allowed by the NBAPA, as it would limit potential earnings by players overall. It's also hard to put rules in place when a player (e.g. Durant) is willing to take less money. I mean, teams already can go over the soft cap to resign their own players by offering an extra year, but it can't stop players from wanting to go to the bigger markets. There's not a great solution for small market teams unfortunately, unless the owner is willing to spend lots, ignoring the financials, to win. My Blazers have Paul Allen, who's willing to spend what it takes to win, are lucky compared to other teams that need to look at the bottom line (like OKC, which is why Harden was traded away). However, that doesn't change the fact that Portland is not a free agent destination (hence why Carmello wouldn't waive his no-trade clause to be traded to PDX).
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18-Oct-2017(#23)
ya, i dont think pro sports will ever recover for me, they'll always be around and popular but i dont think i'll ever have the interest in use to have :/

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18-Oct-2017(#24)
Sounds like Lin had a bad knee injury too. Woj is calling it "tremendously worrisome".
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18-Oct-2017(#25)
Just saw the video you can see Lin saying "I'm done, I'm done" like he knew something in there snapped.
AlphakirA
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18-Oct-2017(#26)
Damn, didn't see it. Always loved Lin, loved the way he handled KMart recently too, really a shame to see him go down for any length of time yet again.
Osiris
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19-Oct-2017(#27)
Giannis Antetokounmpo Bucks 37-13-3

who is he, where does he come from, and does he have a NICKNAME? Who dat?
Admiral
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19-Oct-2017(#28)
Damn, I really like Lin too. Super smart guy, and a nice player too.
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19-Oct-2017(#29)
Osiris wrote:
> Giannis Antetokounmpo Bucks 37-13-3
>
> who is he, where does he come from, and does he have a NICKNAME? Who dat?
His challenge from Kobe,


MVP
Jeff
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19-Oct-2017(#30)
all hail the Greek Freak

bonanza125
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19-Oct-2017(#31)
Osiris wrote:
>
> Who's top after Cavs in the east now, Bucks, Wizards, who else?
> Like to see if Celts can get the #3 seed, but difficult and not sure how Cavs are
> going to play out the regular season for seeding.
>
> What a weird thing to happen 5 minutes into season!
>
>

I would say Cavs, Wizards, Raptors, Bucks are the new top 4 and you got the Celtics, Heat, Pistons, Sixers, and Hornets fighting for the 5-8 spots with 1 of them left out. Yes as crazy as it sounds the Celtics may have a chance of not making the playoffs.
Jeff
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19-Oct-2017(#32)
They'll still make the playoffs. I'd be surprised to see the Nets do anything now that Lin is out for the season.

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19-Oct-2017(#33)
Knicks play anyone good tonight?
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19-Oct-2017(#34)
Gomez wrote:
> Knicks play anyone good tonight?
Thunder
d3vanj
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19-Oct-2017(#35)
Man, the playoffs are going to be fun to watch this year. At least in the West.

ODB
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19-Oct-2017(#36)
I'll bounce back n fourth between knicks thunder and cubs/dodgers game.
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19-Oct-2017(#37)
Keeping an eye on Bulls vs. Raptors and Knicks vs. Thunder. Powell is starting for the Raptors tonight so that's neat. Hoping he can put up a few buckets at least.
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19-Oct-2017(#38)
Thanks for the info @Dustin
Karaiya
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23-Oct-2017(#39)
Gaaawd the Bulls are just terrible....
Sun
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8-Feb-2018(#40)
Fire Sale on the Cavs.
theJaw
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8-Feb-2018(#41)
Craaaaaazy trade. Figured people wanted to talk about it.

I honestly don't know about it. Cavs definitely made out great but now they're missing that PG spot that Irving left void, and Thomas was supposed to fill. Either way, it makes the league real interesting and I'm looking forward to what's coming up now.

Monroe also to Celtics, looks pretty good so far. C's - 56, Wizards - 51 t the top of the 3rd.
AlphakirA
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8-Feb-2018(#42)
Yay, we finally got the PG we passed up on for that scrub Porzingis.
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9-Feb-2018(#43)
Cavs won the trade IMO. I have thought from the start that Thomas is highly overrated. He played way over his head for the year or two. And he's just so undersized. I would not want to build around him.
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9-Feb-2018(#44)
I think that the Cavs and Lakers both got what they wanted and its a win-win. Cavs get a change in the locker room with 2 defensive players which one can put up 15 points off the bench. The Lakers get a go to guy scorer in Thomas, a shooter in Frye, a 1st round pick + Cap Space next year. The downsides would be Lebron is too ball dominant which would make the production of Clarkson go down. For the Lakers I would say the downside is they trade 2 players basically to get cap space in 2018 & 2019 and no star signs.
Osiris
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9-Feb-2018(#45)
We loved Isaiah Thomas here, but realize that Coach Stevens tailored the offense to him, constant green light. Even with Kyrie, Celts offense is much more diverse now.

Not sure IT injuries won't nag him for rest of career, and unlikely any other team will do what Celts did for him offensively. But he was great player here, and very well liked.
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9-Feb-2018(#46)
Enjoyed watching IT last year. And he help our team out a lot.

But I am happy with the trade they made for K I. They man has been great for us.

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* 11-Feb-2018(#47)
Celtics vs. the new-look Cavs coming up in 10 minutes. Looking forward to this game. It'll definitely be a good litmus test for how we'll do against Lebron and friends moving forward.

They're also raising Pierce's number to the rafters after the game. Very cool, historic day for Boston. yes
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11-Feb-2018(#48)
Well... Cavs vs. Warriors will be at least.. kinda interesting this year..?

Ugh!
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11-Feb-2018(#49)
Celts - overrated as usual.

Cavs v Rockets will be a great Finals.
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* 11-Feb-2018(#50)
How do you figure they're overrated? lol

I'm a Celtics fan but am always completely willing to admit when they're not good. This team is not overrated, they're just playing a horrible game right now.

And the Rockets? Would be fun. Not happening.
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11-Feb-2018(#51)
losing by 30 - to a team that has practiced together for 1 day.
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* 11-Feb-2018(#52)
After going 40-17 on the year up until this point. Anybody who knows basketball knows you can't take one bad loss and chalk the entire team up.

Considering you said "overrated as usual" it's pretty blatant you have some predetermined bias, but it's just simple fact that the Celtics are a good team this year.
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11-Feb-2018(#53)
they will lose to the Cavs again in the playoffs - if they make it that far.

Where did that 1 seed get them last year?
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11-Feb-2018(#54)
Lol yeah, they probably will beat the C's again. But the Celtics are still a really, really good team. Again, you're just showing your fanboy bias by acting like they're offensively bad solely because they lose to great basketball teams.

This isn't a competition for us fans, you know that right?
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11-Feb-2018(#55)
theJaw wrote:
> Lol yeah, they probably will beat the C's again. But the Celtics are still a really,
> really good team. Again, you're just showing your fanboy bias by acting like they're
> offensively bad solely because they lose to great basketball teams.
>
> This isn't a competition for us fans, you know that right?

couldn't tell by all your rebuttals.
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11-Feb-2018(#56)
Lol right
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11-Feb-2018(#57)
theJaw wrote:
> How do you figure they're overrated?

You have to factor in the Celtics almost lost half the games they won. Either down by 20 points, winning at the buzzer, careless turnovers at the end by opponents. That can't happen in a 7 game playoff series. Whatever team the Celtics face will capitalize. Games against the Rockets at home and Pacers on the road which I remember specifically they won by careless turnovers within seconds of the game ending which the Celtics should've lost.
Osiris
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11-Feb-2018(#58)
everything is overrated in our town - pro sports, schools, hospitals, beaches, food, autumn, et al - because other folks can't believe just how GREAT things are here! Join the party, we got room!
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11-Feb-2018(#59)
bonanza125 wrote:
> theJaw wrote:
>> How do you figure they're overrated?
>
> You have to factor in the Celtics almost lost half the games they won. Either down
> by 20 points, winning at the buzzer, careless turnovers at the end by opponents.
> That can't happen in a 7 game playoff series. Whatever team the Celtics face will
> capitalize. Games against the Rockets at home and Pacers on the road which I remember
> specifically they won by careless turnovers within seconds of the game ending which
> the Celtics should've lost.

I factored that in. Obviously you need to pay attention to that, but they overcame and won. They're a good team. Not the best in the NBA, but it's kinda wild that you fellas can't just admit that the team is good.
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11-Feb-2018(#60)
It's not that they aren't good. They have a good team. The question is are they overrated and that answer is yes. I am relieved to hear you say that they are not the best in the NBA. Most forums I go into Celtics fans are thinking championship. LBJ stinks. They will overcome last season. That same overrated label can be said about the OKC Thunder. Good team. Win some and lose some but aren't going to advance in the playoffs outside of the second round max. Maybe one and done if they don't get the 4th seed. Celtics will probably get the 2nd or 3rd seed but will they beat the Raptors or the Cavs in a 7 game series. No. I have to get them credit with the Wizards. I think the Celtics can take the Wizards in 7 games.
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12-Feb-2018(#61)
Cavs looking much better with role players vs. loading up on big name egos / "talent"...
Osiris
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12-Feb-2018(#62)
Cavs looked excited, shot great, LBJ seemed very cheerful for a change.

Balance has returned to the Force, now we got something to look at.

Bruins hot, Celts not right now.
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* 12-Feb-2018(#63)
bonanza125 wrote:
> It's not that they aren't good. They have a good team. The question is are they overrated
> and that answer is yes. I am relieved to hear you say that they are not the best
> in the NBA. Most forums I go into Celtics fans are thinking championship. LBJ stinks.
> They will overcome last season. That same overrated label can be said about the OKC
> Thunder. Good team. Win some and lose some but aren't going to advance in the playoffs
> outside of the second round max. Maybe one and done if they don't get the 4th seed.
> Celtics will probably get the 2nd or 3rd seed but will they beat the Raptors or the
> Cavs in a 7 game series. No. I have to get them credit with the Wizards. I think
> the Celtics can take the Wizards in 7 games.

I'm so so happy to have been able to relieve you, but I don't know what forums you're going to lol. Literally nobody I've talked to is getting their hopes up high enough to automatically think championship, that'd be silly. Also not sure why you needed to be relieved, considering I'm not one to act like my team's top-crap just because they're good. They could win a title and I'd still temper my ego - because, well, I'm not on the team. Lots of fans forget that.

Obviously it's theoretically more possible this year than any year since our previous Big 3 disbanded - so people in Boston are rightfully excited. But no, of course it's not a sure thing. But with any popular team on an uptick year, passionate fans are sure to follow with hopes and claims of another championship. Any fan base does that, though - hell people are already claiming the Cavs will be finalists after ONE GAME of their new line-up... and that happened in this thread.

Just saying, it's blatant when people are on an "anti-(insert team here)" bias when they look for every opportunity to downplay fans of the team, just to push a similar fanboy assessment as the one they're actively trying to downplay, just for a different team. It happens to Lebron all the time lol. It's just macho bravado sports talk and I think it's silly. It's a game.



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13-Feb(#64)
A guy on Pittsburgh radio yesterday said that Pitt's Men's basketball team is SO bad that iif Lebron joined them, they still wouldn't beat Duke.

lol

Guy is on crack.
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18-Feb(#65)
Fergie's National Anthem performance was the worst in recent memory.
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18-Feb(#66)
Yeah that was disgusting.
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Scots wrote:
> Fergie's National Anthem performance was the worst in recent memory.

Fudging Awful
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18-Feb(#68)
Digging the defense in the early going. It usually starts ramping up toward the end. I wonder if they're gonna ease up eventually.
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18-Feb(#69)
They're playing for their charities. So they actually have a little motivation.
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* 18-Feb(#70)
Oh nice, I didn't realize. Ought to make it interesting.
Admiral
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19-Feb(#71)
Caught the first quarter and some highlights. I think I'm actually going to go back and watch this game! Some defense being played, way more interesting this time.

Topic   NBA 2017-18 Season Discussion