UPDATED MY RANKINGS. Saw The Last Jedi last night and figured I'd update this list. I changed the order because over the past 2 years, my appreciation for a few of them has changed for better or worse. Anyhow, post yours if you feel like it.
9. EPISODE II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES I very strongly dislike this movie unless I'm watching the "Fall of the Sith" fan-edit. It's got the worst dialogue from any SW movie and the silliest character decisions. There is barely a story, the characters are all wooden. CGI Yoda is character breaking in regards to his demeanor in the original trilogy. It's cliche to crap on this movie so I'll stop there. 8. EPISODE III: REVENGE OF THE SITH I used to think this was the only prequel I "sort of" liked but now I can't sit through it. There are aspects I liked about this, but there were still decisions that were inconsistent with the OT, which was a staple of the prequels. The third act was an over-the-top WB cartoon, but Hayden Christensen finally came off imposing - only while he was burning to death though. And unfortunately even that was overshadowed by the big "NOO" moment. 7. EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE This movie has grown on me over the years. It's still decently boring, Jar Jar is still the absolute worst aspect of Star Wars, midichlorians are still the stupidest retcon for one of the OT's major themes I've ever witnessed, and this is still the movie that established the prequel Jedi as an overly-stoic, misguided cult that eventually had to be outed as such by decent writing in later movies/TV shows. But I have nostalgia for having seen it when I was 9, and the practical effects help me appreciate it over the other prequels now that I'm older. Also, the Duel of Fates rules and the 2-on-1 lightsaber fight is the only example of the prequel's dance-fighting that I enjoyed. 6. ROGUE ONE This one initially put me in the difficult position of moving RotJ further down the list but it just didn't hold up as better than any of the non-PT main series entries upon rewatches. It's still great though. I really dug seeing the war-side of the Universe a bit more, and I enjoyed most of the characters. It was neat seeing it tie into A New Hope. Tarkin's CGI tricked me into thinking they found a good look-alike actor the first time I watched this, and I appreciated the Leia cameo as it wasn't on the screen for longer than it needed to be. 5. EPISODE VI: RETURN OF THE JEDI This was easily my favorite as a kid and if it weren't for the re-hashed "Death Star" plot that came too soon after ANH's release, it would probably rank a bit higher. The Vader/Luke/Palpatine interaction that happens in this movie is probably my favorite stuff from all of Star Wars. I don't mind the Ewoks as much as other folks, but like I said, that may just be the nostalgia. It certainly did play to children better than the first two. The Jabba's Palace sequence is probably still my favorite opening from any SW movie. 4. EPISODE VII: THE FORCE AWAKENS Now this was a rehash of A New Hope's plot when the world needed a rehash of A New Hope's plot. They put a new skin on it, threw in some memorable new characters to carry the franchise forward and made a movie that actually felt like a Star Wars movies for the first time in 30 years. Even Episode I, which I like to an extent, didn't feel like it was a true SW movie even when I saw it the year it was released. If it weren't for lightsabers and all of the Jedi wearing Obi-Wan robes, it would have come off completely different. But this movie really brought the character design, world building, atmosphere and ambience of the OT back - not to mention the classic characters. I appreciated that. 3. EPISODE VIII: THE LAST JEDI Great follow up to The Force Awakens and an overall great movie. While there were a few more glaringly divisive moments that admittedly threw me off in this one, it ranks above TFA for originality alone. It's a more challenging Star Wars and a story that's unlike any that came before. Regardless, I enjoyed where it took the characters and where most of them ended up. It was full of fun moments and equally impactful moments. It was a technically sound film and a perfect new direction for the saga. 2. EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE Still classic. With the budget and DIY stylings that went into this movie, it's truly a miracle that we got a movie that reignited all of pop culture at one time. Just an iconic story and movie that not just Star Wars movies would rehash later on. It can't be understated what this movie meant to cinema at the time. The characters will always be classic and the adventure they went on will always be remembered. 1. EPISODE V: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Obvious first spot. This is the one with all the classic lines, all the classic swerves, and the best written plot of any Star Wars film that came before or after it. The dark side teases, Yoda's first appearance, the Battle of Hoth, Lando, carbonite, etc. There's not much to say that hasn't been said a million times, but it seems like this one will always be my favorite.
> Haha the criticisms South Park is giving it is just as an example to how people long
> for nostalgia a little too much - i.e. all the rehashed Ep 4 elements in Force Awakens.
Yeah, but Randy keeps going around saying it's not as good as everyone says it was. It totally is. It's not like everyone is running around saying it's the most original movie ever made, I think we're all just happy it's a great movie! Screw you Randy!
1. Empire Strikes Back (V) 2. Return of the Jedi (VI) 3. Attack of the Clones (II) 4. A New Hope (IV) 5. The Force Awakens (VII) - For all intents and purposes, this is A New Hope. They took no risks with this movie at all, hence the low score for me. 6. Revenge of the Sith (III) 7. The Phantom Menace (I)
> Wow. Clones better than New Hope? Damn. I'm curious as to the reasoning for that.
I watched them all in chronological order before seeing Force Awakens in theaters. Time hasn't been kind to A New Hope, and that's putting it nicely. It'd been awhile since I had seen the movie (maybe 15-20 years) and when Vader kills Obi-Wan, I literally burst into laughter because he just vanishes into thin air. I like Clones because of the action sequences, and I thought the story was well done (minus the whole Anakin-Padme high school love story).
JAwwww LOVES ranking things. I think we should rank his rank lists...
1. Rank the Marvel Cinematic Universe - This is the clear favorite. JAwwww's attention to detail is epic. He is clearly the biggest MCU geek in the GTZ geekdom. 2. Rank the Star Wars Films! - I'm probably ranking this too high just like we all rank The Force Awakens too high. It's good, but nostalgia probably makes it seem better than it truly is. Plus, the exclamation point really drives home JAwwww's excitement for the Star Wars franchise. 3. Mandatory Christmas Viewing - Not a ranking per se, but people don't care. They're still listing their favorites. 4. Least Favorite Generation of Gaming - A clever twist. Instead of listing favorites, now we're listing least favorites. 5. Liquor of Choice - Also not a ranking, but still a damn good idea. 6. Rank the Harry Potter Films - Great idea, but JAwwww's ranking is just poor. Anyone that lists Prisoner of Azkaban as the best Harry Potter movie is the equivalent of Jar Jar Binks. "Meesa like Prisoner of Azkaban, okee day?"
Honorable Mention - Favorite Hangover Food (see #5)
I'm apparently alone on thinking Ep 2 was the best of the prequels. It felt the most Star Warsy of the lot; still mostly crap but it at least kinda looked and slightly felt like it took place in Star Wars, unlike the other two.
If anyone has a good despecialized edition of 4-6 can you please burn me copies? My kid is getting to that age and I'd rather not pull out my old (full screen) VHS copies for him to watch. I also don't want him to grow up thinking the original trilogy had CGI. I've spent hours trying to get them myself but I always run into errors.
1. Empire Strikes Back - I love everything about this movie.
2. Return of the Jedi - The Ewoks suck and the special edition dance number in Jabba's palace is quite possibly the worst scene in the entire first 6 episodes, but other than that, this is a damn good movie.
3. Revenge of the Sith - I'll fight anyone to death over this one. It definitely has it's issues (which plague the entire prequel trilogy), namely George Lucas forgot what made people fall in love with the original trilogy in the first place and continue to love it 30 years later (hint - It wasn't light sabers and special effects). And the Darth Vader transformation at the end was cheesy as hell. Other than that, I really love this movie. For the first time, you see exactly how powerful the Emperor is and how evil Darth Vader was in his prime. This is the only film that truly shows us how the dark side can corrupt. And while GL's attempt at political drama may have been on the level of a high schooler's attempt at fan fiction, I think it was important to show each side had a legitimate point. Anakin truly believed that the Jedi were evil by the end. This film also makes Darth Vader a much more sympathetic character in Ep IV-VI, and ultimately, the 6 film story is about Anakin/Darth Vader. This helps turn this mysterious evil character in black into a fully fleshed out character that we can relate to more effectively.
4. Force Awakens - The comparisons to episodes 4-6 are true, but it's still a really entertaining and fun movie. It has way better pacing than Ep 4.
5. A New Hope - This may have been amazing in 1977, but in 2016, it's mostly boring. The pacing is just not good. The lightsaber battle between Obi-Wan and Vader is easily the worst in the series (and this is only about 20 years after their epic volcano battle). The saving grace is the characters.
6. Phantom Menace - This film is bad, but it has Darth Maul, and he's awesome. Duel of the Fates - Double lightsaber battle to the death with Obi-Wan and Qui-Jon = Awesome. Anakin destroying space ships by accident = really dumb. And let's not talk about Jar Jar.
7. Attack of the Clones - How did they fudge this up so bad? If you told me before this came out that we were going to see a near full powered Anakin fighting alongside Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi AND a huge Gladiator-esque battle with nearly all of the Jedi involved AND Anakin's first step towards the dark side by murdering sand people AND the origin story of Boba Fetter AND finally getting to see Yoda in a proper lightsaber battle, I probably would've rubbed one out thinking about how awesome this would be. How they could screw this one up SO bad is mind boggling.
> If anyone has a good despecialized edition of 4-6 can you please burn me copies?
> My kid is getting to that age and I'd rather not pull out my old (full screen) VHS
> copies for him to watch. I also don't want him to grow up thinking the original
> trilogy had CGI. I've spent hours trying to get them myself but I always run into
I don't have a DVD burner but check out FanEdit.org - they have some listed. Yoy may need to hunt around but they're out there.
There are also multiple prequel fan edits that not only make the movie better but get rid of many inconsistencies between the OT & PT. I believe my favorites were done by the editor Q2 or something along those lines. There's also a couple that make the PT one really good long movie as opposed to 3 less-than movies. Check them out!
I used to scoff at all the special edition haters. I didn't think the changes were that big of a deal. Then I watched that Youtube video that extensively compares the originals with the special editions, and then shows how the despecialized versions attempt to correct those issues. I'm definitely a believer now! I still think most of the bigger, more obvious changes (like ghost Anakin) aren't that big of a deal, but there are so many other changes I never really noticed. I haven't had a chance to watch the despecialized versions yet, but I'm really looking forward to it.
I like both (all?) versions, but I have fond memories of seeing the SE trilogy in theaters with my dad when I was a kid. So I can't hate them like others - though a lot of the additions are awful in comparison. I still prefer the versions they'd air on TV in the early/mid 90s, whatever those are considered.
1. The Force Awakens 2. Return of the Jedi 3. Revenge of the Sith 4. The Empire Strikes Back 5. A New Hope 6. Attack of the Clones 7. The Phantom Menace
Thing is I understand the hate of the original Trilogy, but I continue to watch it! It's not as good as 4,5 and 6 but I still find them enjoyable and to be honest every time I watch the Star Wars I always watch 1-6 and now 7.
Ep 2 is a Kessel run and a half better than ep 1 lol. The plot was fine but jake lloyd and jar jar ..ugh.
5 4 3 6 7 2 ..everything else sw related...1 ...maybe change 6 and 7 on the right day. Shame they couldnt go with kashyyk and a frickin wookie army instead of a band of ewoks...at least we got it in 3.
I like the clone wars and need to watch more rebels.
More than anything I want a new single player KOTOR but I guess that's the mass effect team now..though isn't bioware making a new star wars game?
Empire Star Wars RotJ Force Awakens Episode 3 - was somewhat decent until Lucas did the idiotic "noooooooooo" scene Episode 2 - light saber/space battles were great, everything else SUCKED. Tried to re-watch this a few months ago and could not get past the HORRIBLE opening. That cheesy ship exploding scene and the conversation between Anakin and Obi in the elevator. Yeesh, the movie is actually WORSE than I remembered Episode 1 - only thing I like about this is the Obi/Qui Gon fight with Maul
Seeing everyone's opinions on the Prequel Trilogy has actually really made me want to revisit them. I intend to marathon the faneditor Q2's "Fall of the Jedi" series. These are edits that I watched a few years ago and they make the PT line up as perfectly as they possibly could. They're actually great fun to watch and proof that there could have been good films out of this material if Lucas had some sort of filter or editor with final say.
I go into these edits way more excited than I would if I were to watch the original cuts. For example, someone mentioned how Anakin blowing up that space station by accident at the end of Phantom Menace was dumb, which it really, really was. But in Q2's edit, any dialogue or shots that would hint he wasn't fully aware of what he was doing were removed, and Jake Lloyd almost comes off as what we could imagine from a young Anakin Skywalker based on how Obi-Wan chose to describe him in A New Hope. He told Luke he was a "great pilot" and we never really saw any of that besides the awful chase scene in Episode II or computer-rendered opening of Episode III. At least here, it looks like Anakin could at least be using the force as a young Darth Vader would as opposed to ignorantly stumbling through a situation like a cartoon.
Anyhow, I highly recommend people who aren't fans of the PT to check them out. You may like them after all.
My perfect ending to RotS (and I said this prior to walking into the theater to watch it for the first time) was to break Anakin down, show him in the Vader suit, place the helmet on him, fade to black... breathing, credit roll.
Instead we got "NOOOooooo!". I would have been happy if they kept everything else the same and did my ending. Would likely surpass RotJ. The prequels were all about the rise and fall of Anakin.
It may be nostalgia, but after rewatching the original trilogy, RotJ doesn't deserve the hate it sometimes gets. I think I knocked it down in my original rating for what Lucas did to it with his "improvements". It is a worthy chapter in the original trilogy. Updated my rating.
I'll have to rewatch FA and see how I feel about it after rewatching the originals. I feel sorry for those who don't get to appreciate episodes 4-6.
> It may be nostalgia, but after rewatching the original trilogy, RotJ doesn't deserve
> the hate it sometimes gets. I think I knocked it down in my original rating for
> what Lucas did to it with his "improvements". It is a worthy chapter in the original
> trilogy. Updated my rating.
> I'll have to rewatch FA and see how I feel about it after rewatching the originals.
> I feel sorry for those who don't get to appreciate episodes 4-6.
My problem with RotJ is the fact that they have another death star. I'm ok with the Ewoks. I think the beginning sequence at Jabba's palace is great, with the exception of the Jedi Rocks dance in the SE version.
> |>> Wow. Clones better than New Hope? Damn. I'm curious as to the reasoning for that.
>> I watched them all in chronological order before seeing Force Awakens in theaters.
>> Time hasn't been kind to A New Hope, and that's putting it nicely. It'd been awhile
>> since I had seen the movie (maybe 15-20 years) and when Vader kills Obi-Wan, I
>> burst into laughter because he just vanishes into thin air. I like Clones because
>> of the action sequences, and I thought the story was well done (minus the whole
>> high school love story).
I can agree with this (although not with putting AotC above EPIV). I mentioned this earlier, but if Luke is only around 20 years old in ANH, then that epic volcano battle between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan was only 20 years ago. They're probably in their late 40s/early 50s. I know Vader is half a man at this point, but he is still supposed to be pretty powerful. How do they go from leaping around on flying machines and melting rocks to basically standing in place? And I never understood why Obi-Wan sacrifices himself and why he disappears (and Yoda for that matter). Every other dead Jedi dies like a normal person. Qui-Gon and redeemed Anakin are burned. The entire Jedi Order is shot dead in Ep. 3. They don't disappear. And wouldn't Obi-Wan have been more powerful actually living and training Luke?
It's a Jedi technique, becoming one with the force. As for the others, they might not have known the technique and/or their deaths were not premeditated.
Luke was to be trained by Yoda. That was the plan. I always interpret Obi's death was necessary to push Luke to another level, and to get Obi to become one with the force. "If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can ever imagine."
> I'm not sure why Jedi is "hated on" (so to speak) when it comes to the original trilogy.
This might be my favorite list.
I hated on Jedi for the longest time, but I think (in retrospec) it was due to the SE's (as I said earlier). The most agregious change is Greedo/Han, I don't question that, but RotJ had so many changes that were unnecessary and some just downright awful. It ruined that movie for me for the longest time, which is a shame as it's the pretty awesome watching the character development of Luke and Vader (mostly Luke).
> I can agree with this (although not with putting AotC above EPIV). I mentioned this
> earlier, but if Luke is only around 20 years old in ANH, then that epic volcano battle
> between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan was only 20 years ago. They're probably in their
> late 40s/early 50s. I know Vader is half a man at this point, but he is still supposed
> to be pretty powerful. How do they go from leaping around on flying machines and
> melting rocks to basically standing in place?
The answer for this is simple: Lucas lost sight of what a "lightsaber duel" was supposed to be. He wanted nothing but special effects for his giant set pieces, so they dance fight throughout the whole thing in Ep III. It was pretty obvious from the OT that lightsabers were supposed to have weight to them, like a broadsword. Which is why all the Jedi in the OT hold them two-handed and sword fight more or less how knights of old would.
The fact that the fighting is so wildly different (not to mention the galaxy is so much more pristine) just doesn't make sense for it to be only 20 years before the OT.
If they had effects like they do now the OT probably would have had more over the top saber battles too..but these were long trained jedi adept at the art of saber combat. Older obi wasnt planning to win that fight..they knew he had to go force ghost to do what he had to do. Later Luke wasn't trained for years and Vader didnt want to kill him
> I can appreciate the lightsaber duels from the OT, but I freaking love the over-the-top,
> action-packed lightsaber duels in the PT.
I'm with you. The lightsaber duels from the PT are easily my favorite part of the entire series. I don't care if they're dancing or not, that Darth Maul battle is great. Yoda's saber technique is a bit odd though.
> If they had effects like they do now the OT probably would have had more over the
> top saber battles too..but these were long trained jedi adept at the art of saber
> combat. Older obi wasnt planning to win that fight..they knew he had to go force
> ghost to do what he had to do. Later Luke wasn't trained for years and Vader didnt
> want to kill him
They have way better effects now & the Rey/Finn vs Kylo Ren battle is far better than any of the prequel river dancing. Emotional, visually appealing, & driven by the motives of the characters fighting. All the effects in the world, be them practical or digital, can't make up for a story-driving conflict like that.
But yes, Maul vs. Qui Gonn & Obi Wan was badass (and a lot more restrained than the other movies due to Lucas not animating every frame of the actors).
However the Yoda/Dooku fight is garbage and nearly character-killing for Yoda.
I'm not trying to debunk anybody's enjoyment of the PT (like I said, I don't mind re-visiting them), I only want to talk Star Wars and give my opinions on the movies and junk. This is my reason for feeling the PT almost kill Yoda's character, placed in spoiler tags for length and so that anyone who may be offended by such blasphemies can easily skip over it haha. For anyone else, read on.
Just to touch on that last comment about the Dooku fight having a negative effect on Yoda, I don't feel it was just that fight. It was that fight plus the character's entire demeanor for the prequel trilogy. As much as Lucas talks about how he had the rough idea for Episodes I-III back in the 70s/80s, it's clear at this point that the films we saw as the OT were a much different result than the apparent initial vision, for whatever the reason may be (effect, budget, era, etc). With that in mind, regardless as to what the initial plans were, Lucas should have adhered more to the OT when making the PT as to mold a strong narrative first, as opposed to settling for all the inconsistencies that ended up in the movies just to make toy money and show off his effects studio.
My major issue in the case of Yoda is that his character in particular doesn't mesh up with the character we were introduced to in Empire Strikes Back. In the Prequel Trilogy, Yoda is (much like every other Jedi we see) extremely stoic in nature. He's stern, focused, always philosophically pondering. However, in Empire Strikes Back, he is introduced as a rascally little prankster who one would never imagine capable of wielding any weapon in a battle. His goofy demeanor and stature are exactly what made his character so interesting once he revealed that he was, indeed, Master Yoda. He gets stern with Luke during the training moments (as can be expected), and there's a somber moment in there with Obi-Wan when Luke decides to leave, but I believe Yoda's fun-loving demeanor when we first meet him is how his base personality was supposed to be. Regardless if that's the case or he was just masquerading as a prankster to throw Luke off, that is still clearly part of his personality in some shape or form - and there is literally no hint of a more upbeat side to Yoda present during Episodes I-III. No goofing, no joking - just constantly stoic, even before most of the crap hit the fan with Palpatine. I mean honestly, he was acting as stern as he did in Return of the Jedi... you know, when he was dying.
Now one can argue that it was his position on the Jedi Council that was the reason for his demeanor - but if that's the case, the Jedi Council just comes off as a catalyst introduced by Lucas that allowed him to write all the Jedi character as the stoic hero type. A reason to write a bunch of characters under one archetype, which unfortunately Yoda didn't fit into. With all that in mind, the lightsaber duel really is the last reason to dislike the PT Yoda. I mean, at least the effects were entertaining to watch. To me, it was kind of comical to see Yoda flip around, so there's that at least. But really only that, for me.
In my opinion, the way Yoda talks in Empire hints that not all Jedi need to wield a lightsaber and physically fight to be a Jedi Knight. This is made more apparent when he reveals that it's not just sci-fi laser swords that Jedi can use - but also the Force itself as a physical presence. Watching such a small character lift an aircraft out of a swamp with his mind is exactly what's so alluring about the Yoda character. Having him flip off walls because he was too short to fight a 6-foot man, using a practically-questionable and super-ironic mini-lightsaber, was almost demeaning to the way the character was presented in the Original Trilogy. Again, it's just one of the many inconsistencies between the trilogies and another reason I wish Lucas worked with some sort of brain trust to filter his ideas as opposed to the studio producers and yes-men who never challenged him that he ended up surrounding himself with.
And it's really only out of my love for the series that I care at all haha
Yeah anytime a "year" is mentioned in Star Wars I wonder that same thing. Does each planet have their own day/night cycle? Does Tatooine's days last like 146 hours because there are two oddly placed suns? Questions we may never get answers to, unfortunately.
I was thinking, soooo...does that mean 15 is equal to 10 earth years? 20 earth years? how old are we talking about exactly. The British accents also have kind of stricken me as odd since they got those despite never visiting England.
I think a year is a galactic standard year and is that not basically what we would call an earth year? I tbought I read something once that they did that for simplicity? To make it easier to do character ages and passages of time?
Since they only say "X" amount of years theres nothing to really gauge it against because there was never any kind of conversion given. When they say: "Shes been on her own since the age of 15", that could mean anything. Does it mean that shes been on her own since she was 30 in earth years? 7? They should just refrain from using any kind of time table in relation to years since theres really nothing to gauge it against. Or maybe they just don't care because they know most people won't over think the little things like that or something.