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Topic   Recession officially here.

Reed
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29-Jul(#1)
With the GDP report out today, we are officially in a recession. How's everyone been holding up?
Porksta
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29-Jul(#2)
Won't really impact me as I am going to be a multi millionaire tomorrow.

Reed
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29-Jul(#3)
Porksta wrote:
> Won't really impact me as I am going to be a multi millionaire tomorrow.
>
>

Lmaoooo LFG!
theJaw
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
29-Jul(#4)
We get it, you read a very compelling Tweet.
BioHazardMan
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29-Jul(#5)
theJaw wrote:
> We get it, you read a very compelling Tweet.

Isn't two consecutive quarters of negative growth a recession, or are we no longer using the definition of a recession economists have been using forever?
theJaw
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* 29-Jul(#6)
I mean, most economists don't feel it meets the definition of a recession yet. There are several factors besides negative growth to be taken into account. There is certainly fear that we're heading that way, and I'd be in no way surprised by it. But until economists start confirming it, I'm gonna go ahead and assume Reed heard someone use the term as a gut wrench reaction to the negative growth and, like so many, immediately took it at face value.

That said, I'm definitely no expert. But that's also why I wait for said experts, and not the general internet, to weigh in when it comes to these scenarios.
Reed
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29-Jul(#7)
BioHazardMan wrote:
> theJaw wrote:
>> We get it, you read a very compelling Tweet.
>
> Isn't two consecutive quarters of negative growth a recession, or are we no longer
> using the definition of a recession economists have been using forever?

The media and leftist are waiting for a panel of economist that may or may not have ulterior motives to officially declare a recession, instead of using the definition in every economics book written for the last 100 years.
Kommie
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29-Jul(#8)
I'm just shocked you're not saying the recession is happening cause scams like Crypto and NFTs are tanking.
Gypsy
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29-Jul(#9)
We are not in a recession man says, as many can no longer afford things they could afford before.
Lunar
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29-Jul(#10)
Gypsy wrote:
> We are not in a recession man says, as many can no longer afford things they could
> afford before.

Yea I can't even afford a Super Mario World CIB anymore


Gypsy
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29-Jul(#11)
Lunar wrote:
> Gypsy wrote:
>> We are not in a recession man says, as many can no longer afford things they could
>> afford before.
>
> Yea I can't even afford a Super Mario World CIB anymore
>
>
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwpJmBsspfE
Shane12m
Triple Gold Good Trader
29-Jul(#12)
theJaw wrote:
> We get it, you read a very compelling Tweet.

Why you gotta come in all hostile man?
theJaw
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
29-Jul(#13)
Shane12m wrote:
> theJaw wrote:
>> We get it, you read a very compelling Tweet.
>
> Why you gotta come in all hostile man?

That was hostile? You'll be okay.
Shane12m
Triple Gold Good Trader
29-Jul(#14)
theJaw wrote:
> Shane12m wrote:
>> theJaw wrote:
> |>> We get it, you read a very compelling Tweet.
>>
>> Why you gotta come in all hostile man?
>
> That was hostile? You'll be okay.

Okay my bad, passive aggressive, that better?
theJaw
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
29-Jul(#15)
Again, I think you'll be okay.
Archer
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* 29-Jul(#16)
I've personally been in a recession all year.

Actually I shouldn't say that. I should say I am the recession.
I can afford things. I'm just not spending money this year. I'm pinching every penny I can. It just felt like the right thing to do at the start of the year.
BlueJava
Double Gold Good Trader
29-Jul(#17)
Is this the same recession the entire world is in or are you referring to Biden's recession?

Can someone tell all of these corporations about this recession because they haven't got the memo yet because of their record breaking profits they are posting every quarter.

How do we fix this? I hope your answer isn't to vote back in the previous guy who had complete control of the senate/congress and all that was accomplished were massive tax breaks for the wealthy. That president did exactly NOTHING to help the common man yet the uneducated betrayed their country for him.

It's hard to people serious when they throw around leftist/libtard or other random things because it shows a clear indication they don't want to have a good faith discussion but rather a shouting match.

theJaw
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
* 29-Jul(#18)
No. Every economist who disagrees with the assessment of roughly 5 or 6 guys on GTZ are clearly just part of a larger leftist conspiracy theory, duh. Just like the doctors who suggest masking back up, or those investigating January 6th. Anything to shift blame back onto the mean ol' "Left" and spark up another baseless dick measuring contest.

The fact remains that, no, this one specific detail is not the sole basis in defining a recession and the experts aren't just saying that to protect anybody. As several economists have made clear, there are multiple factors and they're not willing to call this a recession just yet. They openly admit that they're not as confident as they once were (which flies in the face of the idea that they're just covering up for "leftists"), so no one's implying it can't get to that point.

It's just fairly evident that Reed's intention when posting a (gasp) passive aggressive "Good Job Joe!" last night, and then immediately attacking anyone who doesn't agree with his insinuation that the recession is "official" as being conspiratorial, was to spark a bad faith argument thinking it'd be a dunk on "the left" (many of whom don't even like Biden). Silliness, I tell ya.
theyrhere
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29-Jul(#19)
theJaw wrote:
> No. Every economist who disagrees with the assessment of roughly 5 or 6 guys on GTZ
> are clearly just part of a larger leftist conspiracy theory, duh.

Keep telling these people, there is no such thing as a *large* leftist anything. It's unfortunate, honestly
Gypsy
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29-Jul(#20)
BlueJava wrote:
>
>
> It's hard to people serious when they throw around leftist/libtard or other random
> things because it shows a clear indication they don't want to have a good faith discussion
> but rather a shouting match.
>
>

Yeah I don't take people seriously when they use these terms frequently. Same for people that use "far right".
bill
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* 29-Jul(#21)
I remember in the 70s the media liked the word "stagflation".
BlueJava
Double Gold Good Trader
29-Jul(#22)
Gypsy wrote:
>
> Yeah I don't take people seriously when they use these terms frequently. Same for
> people that use "far right".

Agreed. I also hate people who choose a man over their country no matter what party they represent. I also dislike people who would rather wish harm upon a fellow American instead of helping them be a better person. I would never in a million years fly a Biden flag because the thought is simply ridiculous.
theJaw
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
* 29-Jul(#23)
There's a literal Trump STORE up the street from me and I just can't understand blind allegiance to one dude to such an extent. It's insanity. Goes for Biden too, but thankfully it doesn't seem anyone is fanatical enough to start a business to lick his boots.
The_Prophecy
Has Written 1 Review
29-Jul(#24)
I've just been buying less.....things in general for awhile now, so, I haven't really been affected and don't really anticipate it being a huge issue for me. I'm also hoping to land a better paying, stable job with upward growth in the next week or two, which would mitigate a recession even more. All bets are off if my landlord raises the rent again, though. It's a horrible time to look for something new to buy/rent, and the apartment I'm in now went from a very good deal to overpriced in a little over 5 years. So, IDK, I'm just looking at it like COVID. It's just another storm to weather. Although, I did get COVID at least twice, so, let's just hope the recession doesn't "get me."
MrBean
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* 30-Jul(#25)
I mean, there's never been more jobs in a very competitive market than ever before (in my time). Finding talent is so hard right now. I'm clueless to why many (outside of some specific verticals/sectors) are struggling to find/maintain a stable income. Clearly many roles have been impacted but it's also opened up lots of new opportunities elsewhere.

I say the above naively, there's much I don't know (largely because I'm just a big dumb animal) as I'm fortunate to work in Technology, but I busted my ass for the last 26 years to get where I'm at 40. No degree, poor upbringing, zero guidance or mentoring. Started at a movie Theatre, then Taco Bell, Car Wash, Arby's, Wal-Mart, and Best Buy. No shame if it's paying the bills and you're learning. Hard work and dedication pays off no matter the state of our economy.

Yet, everywhere I go locally... "were hiring" with incredibly competitive wages for low skill labor. Too many lazy and entitled people just looking for an easy button, not willing to work hard or try something different. Most of my friends, family, and professional network in any level of skill
role, are suffering because they can't find quality candidates as they're being poached at record high salaries.

I feel for those impacted, I truly do and hope they get through this, hopefully short, difficult time.

Hope each of you and yours are well!
The_Prophecy
Has Written 1 Review
30-Jul(#26)
MrBean wrote:
> I mean, there's never been more jobs in a very competitive market than ever before
> (in my time). Finding talent is so hard right now. I'm clueless to why many (outside
> of some specific verticals/sectors) are struggling to find/maintain a stable income.
> Clearly many roles have been impacted but it's also opened up lots of new opportunities
> elsewhere.
>
> I say the above naively, there's much I don't know as I'm fortunate to work in Technology,
> but I busted my ass for the last 26 years to get where I'm at 40. Tech related jobs
> are on fire and only growing.
>
> Yet, verywhere I go locally... "were hiring" with incredibly competitive wages for
> low skill labor. Too many lazy and entitled people just looking for an easy button,
> not willing to work hard or try something different. Most of my friends, family,
> and professional network in mid to high skills roles, are suffering because they
> can't find quality candidates as they're being poached at record high salaries.
>
> I feel for those impacted, I truly do and hope they get through this, hopefully short,
> difficult time.

I have 6.5 years experience in my field now (warehousing, to be very general). I had an interview with Raymour & Flanigan today, and they wanted to pay me $18/hr. I was like, "I'm at what I consider to be a terrible company right now, and I make significantly more than that, and it's much closer to where I live. Why even waste my time?" I knew it was probably a waste of time going, but I honestly needed a refresher on how a "proper" interview is conducted for another company I have an interview with next week. I haven't had a "real" interview in over 8 years now, so, I don't want to blow the one next week for a proper company that I can probably spend the rest of my working life with.
MrBean
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* 30-Jul(#27)
@The_Prophecy good luck man! Just above all, be genuine and be yourself. Smart move with using an interview as a refresher. Did you learn from it? Any questions that I or others could help you with?

Many skills can be taught on the job. I've interviewed well over 300+ people in my career, and have had far too many (20 in 26 years) jobs myself (because I get bored easily, want something more/different, and chase the dollar).

I absolutely love interviewing, I have so much fun! Remember to interview them as doing it properly will gain their favor. You drive the dialogue, not them.

I personally hire people for their personality, aptitude, attention to detail, charisma, and referant power long before job related skills.
The_Prophecy
Has Written 1 Review
30-Jul(#28)
@MrBean TBH, I learned nothing from it. The warehousing industry is pretty much very "vanilla" in terms of vernacular and levels of knowledge. Once you see and study the day-to-day operations of a somewhat successful company, there isn't much you don't know, aside from things like sales. I chose Raymour & Flanigan simply because of their sales numbers. I didn't actually confirm these numbers, but, the HR woman who wanted to hire me said they do billions of sales per year. So, I was just thinking, "let's see how a massive company does it." The company I'm at now has no idea what they actually have. We had a multi-million dollar account roll in earlier this year, and the company was taken completely by surprise. I've been in the industry long enough to know how to prepare for an account like that, but they don't want my input, as I've only been there for 1.5 years and I'm very low on the totem pole. To put it lightly, it was a complete crapshow. Several people quit at different levels, and it was pretty much an, "I told you so moment." The last straw for me came last week when a very good member of the overnight warehouse team quit. This guy was asking for more money. I made it very clear he deserved it, and, if he didn't get it, the house of cards would start to fall. Needless to say, upper management didn't want to pay him, which told me all I need to know about their ambition. He quit Tuesday night, and I was looking for job as soon as I got home.

So, this Raymour & Flanigan interview was really nothing more than a scouting exercise to see how a massive company does things day-to-day. Obviously, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison, but, you get an idea of how they run things. Honestly, I wasn't impressed. It seemed like exactly how we do it at our company. From my POV (based on nothing more than this interview), Raymour & Flanigan just got lucky and found a particular industry that wasn't being serviced, and that's how they became so huge. The interview I have next week is with a small company I've never heard of. If they want to pay me fairly, I think I've accrued enough knowledge to help them grow and be successful. If not, I can go back to my former company (was at $200/share on the NYSE before the recession hit), begrudgingly start at the bottom again (for a decent salary, though) and work my way up.

I'm not bothered, either way. I chose to make a career in this industry, and it is what it is.
citizen_zane
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* 30-Jul(#29)
Even though theJaw was a dick about it, he's technically correct that the U.S. is not officially in a recession, at least as it is determited by our government. This quote from Bloomberg pretty much sums up what I've been hearing from other sources:

"While many countries define an economic downturn as two consecutive quarters of negative growth for gross domestic product, the US defers this assessment to elite academics at the National Bureau of Economic Research, based in Cambridge, Massachusetts, whose leaders scoff at the two-quarter benchmark as simplistic and misleading."


Another quote from the LA Times:

"Why aren't two negative quarters of GDP enough to call it a recession?
Because if it's truly a recession, all the indicators should be moving in the same direction. Right now, it's only GDP, said Eric Swanson, professor of economics at UC Irvine. Consumer spending is still going up, albeit moderately, and industrial production is also showing slow growth. Significantly, job growth is still robust."


So are we in a recession? While our government says no, if that's what you want to call it when the economy is crap, then sure, why not. I don't really care.



Reed
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* 30-Jul(#30)
Yeah, no, we are officially in a recession. You can't change the definition of a recession depending on what politically party controls the White House.

If a Republican was in the White House, do you really think Democrats wouldn't be calling this a recession? I vote third party, but it's easy to see through the bullcrap going on right now.
razeak
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 9 Reviews
30-Jul(#31)
Probably.

That being said, coming out of COVID is a different dynamic than we've encountered before and it could be throwing traditional indicators off, like it has with employment data.

Whataboutism concerning Trump is meaningless.
theJaw
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
30-Jul(#32)
citizen_zane wrote:
> Even though theJaw was a dick about it, he's technically correct that the U.S. is
> not officially in a recession

I reciprocate the energy put forth by others. Sorry for being a dick yall.

The_Prophecy
Has Written 1 Review
30-Jul(#33)
citizen_zane wrote:
> Even though theJaw was a dick about it, he's technically correct that the U.S. is
> not officially in a recession, at least as it is determited by our government.
> This quote from Bloomberg pretty much sums up what I've been hearing from other

Don't be talking smack about my boy Jaw. If you want to have a go at him for something he said over GoT or Star Wars, fine. But, this? Come on, man.
Bleed_DukeBlue
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* 30-Jul(#34)
My financial advisor was showing me data on the current economic climate, and something I found interesting is that consumer confidence is the lowest it has been in a decade even though the fundamentals of the market are better almost across the board than they were during the Great Recession, and there isn't a clear event (like the .com burst or the housing collapse) that requires major intervention. He was saying that they predict we're nearing the bottom of the ditch, and there should be decent growth before too long for whatever that's worth.
BlueJava
Double Gold Good Trader
30-Jul(#35)
razeak wrote:
> Probably.
>
> That being said, coming out of COVID is a different dynamic than we've encountered
> before and it could be throwing traditional indicators off, like it has with employment
> data.
>
> Whataboutism concerning Trump is meaningless.
The truth about trump is he has a lot to do with this mess. No redhats were saying anything when he was printing all that money during COVID. Trillions disappear because he intentionally removed oversight so they could steal the money and they say nobody wants to work cause they got $1400 over a year ago. We're paying for how COVID was handled from the beginning, Remember a certain president openly punishing states that were blue? Of course it's whataboutism when we were dealing with the decisions of a madman that left the country in shambles. I voted for Brandon because he wasn't trump and I hold no stupid loyalty to him. He's a horrible president and I can't wait to not vote for him come 24. With that being said Brandon could never get me to overthrow a Walmart let alone show up in DC.
Feeb
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* 30-Jul(#36)
"Although the definition of a recession varies between different countries and scholars, two consecutive quarters of decline in a country's real gross domestic product (real GDP) is commonly used as a practical definition of a recession.[3][4][5] In the United States, a recession is defined by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) as "a significant decline in economic activity spread across the market, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales".[6] In the United Kingdom and most other countries, it is defined as negative economic growth for two consecutive quarters.[7][8]"


Fox- recession.
CNN- no recession.
The_Prophecy
Has Written 1 Review
30-Jul(#37)
BlueJava wrote:
> razeak wrote:
>> Probably.
>>
>> That being said, coming out of COVID is a different dynamic than we've encountered
>> before and it could be throwing traditional indicators off, like it has with employment
>> data.
>>
>> Whataboutism concerning Trump is meaningless.
> The truth about trump is he has a lot to do with this mess. No redhats were saying
> anything when he was printing all that money during COVID. Trillions disappear because
> he intentionally removed oversight so they could steal the money and they say nobody
> wants to work cause they got $1400 over a year ago. We're paying for how COVID was
> handled from the beginning, Remember a certain president openly punishing states
> that were blue? Of course it's whataboutism when we were dealing with the decisions
> of a madman that left the country in shambles. I voted for Brandon because he wasn't
> trump and I hold no stupid loyalty to him. He's a horrible president and I can't
> wait to not vote for him come 24. With that being said Brandon could never get me
> to overthrow a Walmart let alone show up in DC.

I have no loyalty to any political party (I have no idea why you would, but whatever). However, everything Trump did was scrutinized. If he did something, people complained. If he didn't, people complained. The media had a very clear agenda against him from the start, and that agenda will continue until he's dead (probably). As for the stimulus money, everyone was asking for it. The people wanted it, and the Democrats wanted it (they actually wanted to give out more money). He makes it happen, and now it's being used against him and made to seem like nobody was asking for it. As for how COVID was handled at the start, Fauci is on record saying his advice to Trump was to shut the country down. If he actually did that, the media, which labeled him a Fascist tyrant as soon as he announced he was running for President, would've had the "proof" they were so desperately seeking. So, he left it up to the states. Of course, because everything he did was a lose-lose no matter how good the outcome was, he was panned for that decision as well. IMO, Trump was doing a very good job before COVID. After COVID, he lost complete control, and things went downhill, fast. I feel like he were re-elected, things wouldn't be all sunshine and rainbows, but they'd be better than what they are now, that's for sure.
BlueJava
Double Gold Good Trader
* 30-Jul(#38)
The_Prophecy wrote:

> I have no loyalty to any political party (I have no idea why you would, but whatever).
> However, everything Trump did was scrutinized. If he did something, people complained.
> If he didn't, people complained. The media had a very clear agenda against him from
> the start, and that agenda will continue until he's dead (probably). As for the stimulus
> money, everyone was asking for it. The people wanted it, and the Democrats wanted
> it (they actually wanted to give out more money). He makes it happen, and now it's
> being used against him and made to seem like nobody was asking for it. As for how
> COVID was handled at the start, Fauci is on record saying his advice to Trump was
> to shut the country down. If he actually did that, the media, which labeled him a
> Fascist tyrant as soon as he announced he was running for President, would've had
> the "proof" they were so desperately seeking. So, he left it up to the states. Of
> course, because everything he did was a lose-lose no matter how good the outcome
> was, he was panned for that decision as well. IMO, Trump was doing a very good job
> before COVID. After COVID, he lost complete control, and things went downhill, fast.
> I feel like he were re-elected, things wouldn't be all sunshine and rainbows, but
> they'd be better than what they are now, that's for sure.

The same guy who drew on a map with a sharpie to include Alabama in a hurricane impact area when absolutely everyone else said they were safe and then tried to shut down the national weather service? That dude wasn't doing a good job. How did he positively impact your life or anyone's life who wasn't wealthy? The same dude who openly sold Parsons on his way out the door. He only appeals to wealthy for tax cuts, uneducated and racists. I don't know which one of the 3 you are. He didn't improve your life or this country so you must be loyal to a particular political party or choose a man over country.
theyrhere
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 2 Reviews
31-Jul(#39)
Biden sucks ass, so I get why people think Trump could be better. He absolutely would not, but crap isn't exactly peaches right now, so I mean I do understand the thought process.

"Recessions" don't effect the wealthy, it's just another excuse to screw the normal folk over while the rich reorganize their assets after getting a little too greedy in their "good" economy. How it is, how it always will be unless radical change happens.
Feeb
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
31-Jul(#40)
Objectively- comparisons of administrations are usually not what the loudest voices tell you.
The_Prophecy
Has Written 1 Review
31-Jul(#41)
BlueJava wrote:
> The_Prophecy wrote:
>
>> I have no loyalty to any political party (I have no idea why you would, but whatever).
>> However, everything Trump did was scrutinized. If he did something, people complained.
>> If he didn't, people complained. The media had a very clear agenda against him
> from
>> the start, and that agenda will continue until he's dead (probably). As for the
> stimulus
>> money, everyone was asking for it. The people wanted it, and the Democrats wanted
>> it (they actually wanted to give out more money). He makes it happen, and now
> it's
>> being used against him and made to seem like nobody was asking for it. As for
> how
>> COVID was handled at the start, Fauci is on record saying his advice to Trump
> was
>> to shut the country down. If he actually did that, the media, which labeled him
> a
>> Fascist tyrant as soon as he announced he was running for President, would've
> had
>> the "proof" they were so desperately seeking. So, he left it up to the states.
> Of
>> course, because everything he did was a lose-lose no matter how good the outcome
>> was, he was panned for that decision as well. IMO, Trump was doing a very good
> job
>> before COVID. After COVID, he lost complete control, and things went downhill,
> fast.
>> I feel like he were re-elected, things wouldn't be all sunshine and rainbows,
> but
>> they'd be better than what they are now, that's for sure.
>
> The same guy who drew on a map with a sharpie to include Alabama in a hurricane impact
> area when absolutely everyone else said they were safe and then tried to shut down
> the national weather service? That dude wasn't doing a good job. How did he positively
> impact your life or anyone's life who wasn't wealthy? The same dude who openly sold
> Parsons on his way out the door. He only appeals to wealthy for tax cuts, uneducated
> and racists. I don't know which one of the 3 you are. He didn't improve your life
> or this country so you must be loyal to a particular political party or choose a
> man over country.

First, he got rid of that insane Obama law that penalized you for not having insurance. That saved me $700 or whatever it was per year. Second, he did implement a tax cut. The insanity of tax cuts is that people who pay the least amount of taxes think they're going to see the biggest cut for some strange reason. It's like going into a car dealership with $10,000 to your name and expecting to walk out with a Ferrari. Insanity. As for how much I actually saved from the tax cut, it was something like $200-$300 a year. Add that to the Obama garbage being expunged, and that's $1000 a year extra in my pocket. More money was saved with gas prices. I remember paying $1.99/gal for gas in the city of Philadelphia. That's ridiculously low, because Philly as a city has high prices for everything (it also has a tax rate higher than the state of Pennsylvania). In Jersey, gas went down to $1.30-something/gal I believe. I just paid $4.39/gal to fill up my tank yesterday. A "great price," considering I was paying over $5/gal like two months ago. Even more money was saved by prices of almost literally anything else. Anything you can name, the price has more than likely gone up. Not by a little, either. So, yea, he did improve my life by saving me money. You almost certainly saved money during his four years as well, but you're just so bitter, you refuse to admit it. Oh yea, he also was solely responsible for "killing" a portion of the Patriot Act, which both parties have been unanimously supporting since its inception. Pretty neat how Democrats and Republicans are always at each other's throats, not being able to agree on nearly anything, right? Yet, both parties couldn't say yes fast enough to keeping the Patriot Act going, with all of its lovely myriad of ways the government can use to spy on you.

On the racist thing, what's funny to me is how Trump and anyone who supports him are "racists and fascists". However, our tax money is funding literal Nazis in Ukraine and ultranationalist rebel organizations in Taiwan, but nobody seems to care. A Bernie Bro at work even defended us sending money to Ukrainian Nazis because, apparently, funding Nazis (Azovites, Banderites, etc.) to kill other Nazis (Russians) is okay. I think we're sending roughly $1.5B to Ukraine monthly, by the way (not including weapons). IDK about you, but I'd rather see that money being spent here to improve everyone's lives. You should want the same thing, seeing as how the only thing you care about with Trump is how he allegedly didn't improve your life at all.
Feeb
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
* 31-Jul(#42)
Feels like many Americans have a clinical paranoia.
theJaw
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
31-Jul(#43)
It's baked in at this point.
shadyfozzie
Triple Gold Good Trader
31-Jul(#44)
The_Prophecy wrote:
> BlueJava wrote:
>> The_Prophecy wrote:
>>
> |>> I have no loyalty to any political party (I have no idea why you would, but whatever).
> |>> However, everything Trump did was scrutinized. If he did something, people complained.
> |>> If he didn't, people complained. The media had a very clear agenda against him
>> from
> |>> the start, and that agenda will continue until he's dead (probably). As for the
>> stimulus
> |>> money, everyone was asking for it. The people wanted it, and the Democrats wanted
> |>> it (they actually wanted to give out more money). He makes it happen, and now
>> it's
> |>> being used against him and made to seem like nobody was asking for it. As for
>> how
> |>> COVID was handled at the start, Fauci is on record saying his advice to Trump
>> was
> |>> to shut the country down. If he actually did that, the media, which labeled him
>> a
> |>> Fascist tyrant as soon as he announced he was running for President, would've
>> had
> |>> the "proof" they were so desperately seeking. So, he left it up to the states.
>> Of
> |>> course, because everything he did was a lose-lose no matter how good the outcome
> |>> was, he was panned for that decision as well. IMO, Trump was doing a very good
>> job
> |>> before COVID. After COVID, he lost complete control, and things went downhill,
>> fast.
> |>> I feel like he were re-elected, things wouldn't be all sunshine and rainbows,
>> but
> |>> they'd be better than what they are now, that's for sure.
>>
>> The same guy who drew on a map with a sharpie to include Alabama in a hurricane
> impact
>> area when absolutely everyone else said they were safe and then tried to shut
> down
>> the national weather service? That dude wasn't doing a good job. How did he positively
>> impact your life or anyone's life who wasn't wealthy? The same dude who openly
> sold
>> Parsons on his way out the door. He only appeals to wealthy for tax cuts, uneducated
>> and racists. I don't know which one of the 3 you are. He didn't improve your life
>> or this country so you must be loyal to a particular political party or choose
> a
>> man over country.
>
> First, he got rid of that insane Obama law that penalized you for not having insurance.
> That saved me $700 or whatever it was per year. Second, he did implement a tax cut.
> The insanity of tax cuts is that people who pay the least amount of taxes think they're
> going to see the biggest cut for some strange reason. It's like going into a car
> dealership with $10,000 to your name and expecting to walk out with a Ferrari. Insanity.
> As for how much I actually saved from the tax cut, it was something like $200-$300
> a year. Add that to the Obama garbage being expunged, and that's $1000 a year extra
> in my pocket. More money was saved with gas prices. I remember paying $1.99/gal for
> gas in the city of Philadelphia. That's ridiculously low, because Philly as a city
> has high prices for everything (it also has a tax rate higher than the state of Pennsylvania).
> In Jersey, gas went down to $1.30-something/gal I believe. I just paid $4.39/gal
> to fill up my tank yesterday. A "great price," considering I was paying over $5/gal
> like two months ago. Even more money was saved by prices of almost literally anything
> else. Anything you can name, the price has more than likely gone up. Not by a little,
> either. So, yea, he did improve my life by saving me money. You almost certainly
> saved money during his four years as well, but you're just so bitter, you refuse
> to admit it. Oh yea, he also was solely responsible for "killing" a portion of the
> Patriot Act, which both parties have been unanimously supporting since its inception.
> Pretty neat how Democrats and Republicans are always at each other's throats, not
> being able to agree on nearly anything, right? Yet, both parties couldn't say yes
> fast enough to keeping the Patriot Act going, with all of its lovely myriad of ways
> the government can use to spy on you.
>
> On the racist thing, what's funny to me is how Trump and anyone who supports him
> are "racists and fascists". However, our tax money is funding literal Nazis in Ukraine
> and ultranationalist rebel organizations in Taiwan, but nobody seems to care. A Bernie
> Bro at work even defended us sending money to Ukrainian Nazis because, apparently,
> funding Nazis (Azovites, Banderites, etc.) to kill other Nazis (Russians) is okay.
> I think we're sending roughly $1.5B to Ukraine monthly, by the way (not including
> weapons). IDK about you, but I'd rather see that money being spent here to improve
> everyone's lives. You should want the same thing, seeing as how the only thing you
> care about with Trump is how he allegedly didn't improve your life at all.

You do realize that gas was so cheap was NO ONE WAS DRIVING!! Oh, and the reason was due to the fact that our 45th President thought the pandemic would be over in a matter of weeks..

theJaw
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
* 31-Jul(#45)
He also illustrates a critical misunderstanding of the the Ukraine's political divide, or how the Ukrainian "nazis" he speaks of factually share similar ideals to the US Republican party (meaning the majority of them are not "nazis"), or how that's not where our tax money is going, or how portraying the current Ukrainian government as nazis is literally Russian propaganda that the entire rest of the world acknowledges as bullcrap (especially considering the current President was a large proponent in trying to ensure Ukrainian/Russian peace).... but it's likely entirely pointless to bring any of that up in this thread because the initial argument made was a deflection to strengthen the unproven idea that the US is in a recession.
BlueJava
Double Gold Good Trader
1-Aug(#46)
The_Prophecy wrote:
> BlueJava wrote:
>> The_Prophecy wrote:
>>
> |>> I have no loyalty to any political party (I have no idea why you would, but whatever).
> |>> However, everything Trump did was scrutinized. If he did something, people complained.
> |>> If he didn't, people complained. The media had a very clear agenda against him
>> from
> |>> the start, and that agenda will continue until he's dead (probably). As for the
>> stimulus
> |>> money, everyone was asking for it. The people wanted it, and the Democrats wanted
> |>> it (they actually wanted to give out more money). He makes it happen, and now
>> it's
> |>> being used against him and made to seem like nobody was asking for it. As for
>> how
> |>> COVID was handled at the start, Fauci is on record saying his advice to Trump
>> was
> |>> to shut the country down. If he actually did that, the media, which labeled him
>> a
> |>> Fascist tyrant as soon as he announced he was running for President, would've
>> had
> |>> the "proof" they were so desperately seeking. So, he left it up to the states.
>> Of
> |>> course, because everything he did was a lose-lose no matter how good the outcome
> |>> was, he was panned for that decision as well. IMO, Trump was doing a very good

> First, he got rid of that insane Obama law that penalized you for not having insurance.
> That saved me $700 or whatever it was per year. Second, he did implement a tax cut.
> The insanity of tax cuts is that people who pay the least amount of taxes think they're
> going to see the biggest cut for some strange reason. It's like going into a car
> dealership with $10,000 to your name and expecting to walk out with a Ferrari. Insanity.
> As for how much I actually saved from the tax cut, it was something like $200-$300
> a year. Add that to the Obama garbage being expunged, and that's $1000 a year extra
> in my pocket. More money was saved with gas prices. I remember paying $1.99/gal for
> gas in the city of Philadelphia. That's ridiculously low, because Philly as a city
> has high prices for everything (it also has a tax rate higher than the state of Pennsylvania).
> In Jersey, gas went down to $1.30-something/gal I believe. I just paid $4.39/gal
> to fill up my tank yesterday. A "great price," considering I was paying over $5/gal
> like two months ago. Even more money was saved by prices of almost literally anything
> else. Anything you can name, the price has more than likely gone up. Not by a little,
> either. So, yea, he did improve my life by saving me money. You almost certainly
> saved money during his four years as well, but you're just so bitter, you refuse
> to admit it. Oh yea, he also was solely responsible for "killing" a portion of the
> Patriot Act, which both parties have been unanimously supporting since its inception.
> Pretty neat how Democrats and Republicans are always at each other's throats, not
> being able to agree on nearly anything, right? Yet, both parties couldn't say yes
> fast enough to keeping the Patriot Act going, with all of its lovely myriad of ways
> the government can use to spy on you.
>
> On the racist thing, what's funny to me is how Trump and anyone who supports him
> are "racists and fascists". However, our tax money is funding literal Nazis in Ukraine
> and ultranationalist rebel organizations in Taiwan, but nobody seems to care. A Bernie
> Bro at work even defended us sending money to Ukrainian Nazis because, apparently,
> funding Nazis (Azovites, Banderites, etc.) to kill other Nazis (Russians) is okay.
> I think we're sending roughly $1.5B to Ukraine monthly, by the way (not including
> weapons). IDK about you, but I'd rather see that money being spent here to improve
> everyone's lives. You should want the same thing, seeing as how the only thing you
> care about with Trump is how he allegedly didn't improve your life at all.

I'm not wasting my time reading all of that trash. You hate everyone but trump. We get it and don't need an essay to fully understand your obsession. You support a racist, arrogant person who tried to overthrow democracy because he got beat in an election by a walking corpse. You don't have to go to Ukraine to find a fascist you just need to find the closest mirror.
Feeb
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
1-Aug(#47)
He's neutral though. He doesn't support anyone.
Scott
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 2 Reviews
1-Aug(#48)
Hey guys, what'd I miss?
Porksta
400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally This user is on the site NOW (5 minutes ago)
1-Aug(#49)
The recession, apparently.

Topic   Recession officially here.