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Topic   What would you do in my situation?

KillerKlown
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5-Oct(#1)
This is a long story, but I will try and keep it simple. I'm curious what you'd do in my situation.

I am a yearbook HS teacher. At the beginning of the year I was asked by the booster club to take my schools sports photos. I said yes if I could keep the profit and this was an ongoing thing. They agreed. I took the Fall sports pictures. Everything went good. Parents gave me compliments.
The only complaint I got was from a booster club member asking for a discount. I told her that would be improper and everyone had to pay the same price. She was very upset over $6.
I was originally asked to take these photos because the previous photographer took really crappy/blurry photos. Lots of parent complaints. Because of the extra anticipated income I bought a new car.

A couple days ago I got an email from booster club claiming I was no longer allowed to take photos. The photographer who was originally fired for being crappy was rehired. They claimed I was fired because of prices/packages. None of which was ever communicated to me from the group. No discussion. I was also told that no formal meeting/vote took place. Because of this I told the booster club they could no longer use any of my photos I take at sporting events in their pamphlets/flyers/calendars.

My boss is very angry over this. He claims the school owns all of my pictures. These pictures are taken hours past my duty day and with my own equipment. I argued he might own what's taken during the school day but not after the duty day.
I get a small stipend for Yearbook, but I was under the assumption it was for supervision and not from taking pictures. He hypothetically told me he'd write me up/fire me if I didn't continue to supply the pictures. Shouldn't I have a say on how my images are used? Especially when they are used for profit? My presumption is I should have final say when it comes to profit.

I feel like I've been treated very unfairly. I tried to offer compromises.. I was told no. He said he wasn't even sure if he could give me photo credit.
Told me I needed to think of the kids. I asked who's thinking about me? My job pisses me off from time to time, but I've never been more offended. If you were in my shoes would you just let it all go?







longhornsk57
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5-Oct(#2)
I'd just let it go.

Not worth getting fired over or pissing off everyone. Yes they're being butt-holes about it, but end of the day I'd just cut my losses.

Doesn't seem worth the fight to me. If they want subpar work for cheap that's what they'll get. Just doesn't seem like a hill worth dying on.

At the end of the day it's always about the money, especially with boosters.
dracula
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5-Oct(#3)
Look into finding a better job. I'm guessing you work for the public school system?
KCPenguins
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5-Oct(#4)
It's common for most jobs to claim ownership over anything remotely related to the job, sometimes everything. You don't have the funds to fight this, and you might have to explain this in the future.

To quote John Rambo, "Let it go." Or less badass, that dog from Frozen.
SirConnery
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5-Oct(#5)
You should have put it in writing from the beginning. By not doing that it basically pasted a big huge blinking come screw me over sign above your head. Educational institutions are the type of place that many people let their guard down at since they think they would be the most fair/ethical. Most strip clubs could teach ethics better then a school, especially private schools.

If you want to keep your job drop it. Get your resume ready regardless. By being placed where you're unable to fight back, you've been marked as the local punching bag. Anytime they want to stab you they're going to bring it up.
KillerKlown
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5-Oct(#6)
dracula wrote:
> Look into finding a better job. I'm guessing you work for the public school system?
>

Yes, and I've looked for 3 years.
lpeters82
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* 5-Oct(#7)
It's a tough one. I totally get being upset. Loosing any position should never come as a shock...unless you really screw up. The lack of communication or giving you an opportunity to correct the situation is the main issue. I would communicate that to my boss and state that is why you are frustrated with the situation. I can also see where your boss is coming from. I assume the pictures were taken with the assumption they could be used by the Booster Club. During the time you were taking those pictures you were able to sell pictures, correct? If that's the case, then I think their argument that you received your compensation for those pictures is valid. I think you also need to have a talk about the expectations for your position of the Yearbook Adviser. It seems like you and your boss have a different idea of the expectations. I know at our local school the kids take the pictures under the supervision of the adviser. I would try to get back to a situation like that where the kids are taking the pictures. If they need equipment then help them setup a fundraiser or write a grant to purchase new equipment. You need to help them not do the work for them.
KillerKlown
Double Gold Good Trader
5-Oct(#8)
lpeters82 wrote:
> It's a tough one. I totally get being upset. Loosing any position should never
> come as a shock...unless you really screw up. The lack of communication or giving
> you an opportunity to correct the situation is the main issue. I would communicate
> that to my boss and state that is why you are frustrated with the situation. I can
> also see where your boss is coming from. I assume the pictures were taken with the
> assumption they could be used by the Booster Club. During the time you were taking
> those pictures you were able to sell pictures, correct? If that's the case then
> I think there argument that you received your compensation for those pictures. Then
> you need to have a talk about what the expectations are with your position of the
> Yearbook Adviser. It seems like you and your boss have a different idea of the expectation.
> I know at our local school the kids take the pictures under the supervision of the
> adviser. I would try to get back to a situation like that where the kids are actually
> learning. If they need equipment then help them setup a fundraiser or write a grant
> to purchase new equipment. You need to help them not do the work for them.

I got hired under the impression I would only have to supervise. I was lied to. When I officially got hired it was a different story. I was told to go to every game to take pictures and I had to use my own equipment. This continued for two years until I just stopped going to some stuff. Now I just go to enough stuff to get the yearbook done. The school seems to think they own every single picture I've taken the past 3 years. Giving my pictures to booster club was never discussed. I would have never agreed to it. Now after the situation I really disagree with it.
It's not like my boss to be so forceful and nasty about something. It makes me think this all came down from a board member. All BS.
Discgolfer123
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5-Oct(#9)
Go outside the school tomorrow morning around 7am, and burn all of the pictures in a bonfire and protest the firing. The way the world is these days, you might get your job back!
Tony
Double Gold Good Trader
5-Oct(#10)
If you work for them and took the pictures at their request to be used internally, it has the appearance of a job assignment. The job was brought "in house" rather than being outsourced. You speak of a "duty day", but my teacher friends tell me they have no set hours or limits to how many hours they work each day. They are expected to, and do, prepare assignments and grade papers in the evening and on weekends.

As stated above, with nothing in writing and no witness to any verbal agreements, you have no legal grounds. Your only recourse would be to appeal to a higher authority such as their board and use the initial payments as an argument to prove another arrangement existed. Who else bought your pictures and why? Parents of the athletes?
lpeters82
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5-Oct(#11)
KillerKlown wrote:
> I got hired under the impression I would only have to supervise. I was lied to. When
> I officially got hired it was a different story. I was told to go to every game to
> take pictures and I had to use my own equipment. This continued for two years until
> I just stopped going to some stuff. Now I just go to enough stuff to get the yearbook
> done. The school seems to think they own every single picture I've taken the past
> 3 years. Giving my pictures to booster club was never discussed. I would have never
> agreed to it. Now after the situation I really disagree with it.
> It's not like my boss to be so forceful and nasty about something. It makes me think
> this all came down from a board member. All BS.

I don't know man...it very well could have come from a board member. As a teacher you work in a public position. Typically your superintendent and principal should try to shield you from a bit of that, so you can focus on the kids, but perhaps the pressure was so strong that they were not willing to stick their neck out for you...or they were told something that wasn't true. Again, I think a lot of this comes down to a lack of communication. It seems like perhaps you were hired as the Yearbook Adviser, in part, because of your photography skills. What of that is included in the agreement seems to be a point of contention. I don't really think anyone here is going to be able to help you with that.
shadyfozzie
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5-Oct(#12)
if it's a school sponsored stipend, go to your teacher's union. let them deal with it.
Jeff
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6-Oct(#13)
@Sid_Ceaser thoughts?

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Sid_Ceaser
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6-Oct(#14)
KillerKlown wrote:
> This is a long story, but I will try and keep it simple. I'm curious what you'd do
> in my situation.
>
> I am a yearbook HS teacher. At the beginning of the year I was asked by the booster
> club to take my schools sports photos. I said yes if I could keep the profit and
> this was an ongoing thing. They agreed. I took the Fall sports pictures. Everything
> went good. Parents gave me compliments.
> The only complaint I got was from a booster club member asking for a discount. I
> told her that would be improper and everyone had to pay the same price. She was very
> upset over $6.
> I was originally asked to take these photos because the previous photographer took
> really crappy/blurry photos. Lots of parent complaints. Because of the extra anticipated
> income I bought a new car.
>
> A couple days ago I got an email from booster club claiming I was no longer allowed
> to take photos. The photographer who was originally fired for being crappy was rehired.
> They claimed I was fired because of prices/packages. None of which was ever communicated
> to me from the group. No discussion. I was also told that no formal meeting/vote
> took place. Because of this I told the booster club they could no longer use any
> of my photos I take at sporting events in their pamphlets/flyers/calendars.
>
> My boss is very angry over this. He claims the school owns all of my pictures. These
> pictures are taken hours past my duty day and with my own equipment. I argued he
> might own what's taken during the school day but not after the duty day.
> I get a small stipend for Yearbook, but I was under the assumption it was for supervision
> and not from taking pictures. He hypothetically told me he'd write me up/fire me
> if I didn't continue to supply the pictures. Shouldn't I have a say on how my images
> are used? Especially when they are used for profit? My presumption is I should have
> final say when it comes to profit.
>
> I feel like I've been treated very unfairly. I tried to offer compromises.. I was
> told no. He said he wasn't even sure if he could give me photo credit.
> Told me I needed to think of the kids. I asked who's thinking about me? My job pisses
> me off from time to time, but I've never been more offended. If you were in my shoes
> would you just let it all go?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Just a quick question: what is a booster club? Is it separate from the high school? Is it a unique entity or is it run by the HS?

So initially the Booster club approched you and you made a verbal agreement that you would take team sports photos for no cost, and in return you could take those files, upload them and parents could purchase either files or prints depending on what they want, right? And the Booster club verbally agreed to that?

So now someone isn't happy with your pricing that is a Booster member, and has decided to complain. Welcome to the world of photography.

Questions:

Did you sign any kind of contract for the photography services with the Booster Club? It sounds like you didn't, but I'm asking anyway.

Does your existing contract with the school indicate anything within it about owning any inttelectual property that you create on school grounds? You might need to dig through this to see. Some companies will state that anything you devise, create or brainstorm on premises becomes outright property; physical and intellectual of the school. I have a friend that has a recording studio a few towns over. Music students from Berklee College in Boston come to him to record because in the student handbook it states that any compositions, songs, etc that the students create, compose or write on Berklee campus becames sole property of Berklee. Crapty, right? Totally.

If you asked me, if there is nothing in your contract stating that, and considering you were using your OWN equipment; not equipment provided by the school district specifically for school-related happenings, the inttelectual property of those images belong to you. You own them. You took them. Your finger pushed the shutter button, and IP states that IP ownership belongs to the photographer the second of creation.

You have no written contract with the Booster Club. It was an agreement on good faith, and they reniged from that verbal agreement.

If you have any kind of union representative available to you, I'd advise contacting them and requesting a meeting. They could probably help you search through your employment contract to see if that particular thing is covered/not covered.

I think regardless, you need to put your hands up and back away from the situation, and let them know that you won't be covering any more sports events. Have the yearbook students start covering sports events. If they don't have cameras, request the school submit a grant to supply students with cameras. You DO NOT have to supply your own camera gear; it's wear and tear for something work related. That is your personal stuff.

Years and years ago I worked for a wine vendor in their graphics department. About six months in to the job, they discovered I was a photographer and started sending me home with bottles of wine to photograph for shelf talkers and POP sales materials. I did about six of them and then told them this wasn't part of my contract. They wouldnt' offer me any outside pay (I was doing this on off-hours, off-premises) and I told them no.

A year after I left the company they started contacting me asking if I'd photogrph bottles, which I happily did at my full product photography rates.

You gotta get this kind of crap on paper, with signatures, etc. Otherwise this stuff happens and it becomes he-said, she-said.

Photos of students playing sports are a dime a dozen. There is no resale value on this stuff. If they are strong-arming you for the files, just hand them over (the price for a hard lesson learned) and walk away from this agreement.

But check with a union rep. Talk it over with them.


Sid_Ceaser
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6-Oct(#15)
I just asked my wife what a Booster Club was, and she indicated that its a parent-run organization to help the school with things

In that case, this is a classic case of an butt-hole parent thinking they could do better with the photography. I have seen this over and over and over again. Someone in the group doges, or has a personal vendetta or whatever, and imposes pressure on the group.

Meet with your union rep. Walk them through what happened.

Your boss putting pressure on you over a parents group is excessive and to me, bordline abusive.



Admiral
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6-Oct(#16)
A booster club is not run by the school. They don't have authority over a school employee. I'm not sure why the school is intervening at all really.

Also, pther people are right about the union rep...do you have a teacher's union where you live?

I think you should at least be allowed to recoup your costs, if you haven't already.
theJaw
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* 6-Oct(#17)
I just gotta say, I think @Sid_Ceaser will be the photographer for my wedding someday. Dude knows his stuff.

@KillerKlown this is kind of bullcrap of the booster club to accept your work on a verbal agreement and then back out. I'd be upset too. But like others said, if there's no viable option to take , I'd cut my losses and move on unfortunately.
Admiral
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6-Oct(#18)
Oh, and I definitely agree with the sentiment that you should try NOT to tick off employers. Sometimes fighting for your rights, if they are mostly meaningless/insignificant in the long run, isn't worth the grief. The problem is, employers WILL find a way to screw you over if they want to, even if it's not firing you.
SirConnery
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6-Oct(#19)
Do all public school districts have unions?
Admiral
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* 6-Oct(#20)
In PA, it's a state union. Pennsylvania State Education Association (PSEA). Then there are district representatives, etc.

Not sure about other states, but I would imagine it's not entirely the same everywhere. I am fairly certain some states make teachers bargain for their own individual employment contracts, which leads me to believe the union either isn't very strong, or it's nonexistent.
theJaw
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* 6-Oct(#21)
Admiral wrote:
> Oh, and I definitely agree with the sentiment that you should try NOT to tick off
> employers. Sometimes fighting for your rights, if they are mostly meaningless/insignificant
> in the long run, isn't worth the grief. The problem is, employers WILL find a way
> to screw you over if they want to, even if it's not firing you.

But if you do take the alternate route, be sure to hit somebody with something like this
image

I know I'd want to.
KillerKlown
Double Gold Good Trader
6-Oct(#22)
I do not belong to the union. It's something like $75 a month.... It's not worth it when the union reps are friends with the bosses.
The booster club raises money for sports. Everyone keeps telling me they can't help me because it's a separate entity. It's all bullcrap. I'm done with it. Hopefully my Nintendo stock continues to climb and I can quit by the end of the year.
I sure as hell will be taking fewer pictures. I'm pretty awesome at it so they use and abuse me. I should have gotten a contract. I just never saw this coming and I should have.
reneeatworld
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7-Oct(#23)
theJAwwww wrote:
> I just gotta say, I think @Sid_Ceaser will be the photographer for my wedding someday.
> Dude knows his stuff.
>


Heck, I'll let him be my photographer for my sex scenes that I'm doing. Since I'm usually in the scenes by myself, it's hard to also hold the camera.
Sid_Ceaser
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7-Oct(#24)
I'm definitely not the choice photographer for whoever it is that goes around negging my posts. smile

theJaw
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7-Oct(#25)
reneeatworld wrote:
> theJAwwww wrote:
>> I just gotta say, I think @Sid_Ceaser will be the photographer for my wedding
> someday.
>> Dude knows his stuff.
>>
>
>
> Heck, I'll let him be my photographer for my sex scenes that I'm doing. Since I'm
> usually in the scenes by myself, it's hard to also hold the camera.

I think he's busy that day. Oh weird just found a camera...
theJaw
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7-Oct(#26)
Sid_Ceaser wrote:
> I'm definitely not the choice photographer for whoever it is that goes around negging
> my posts. smile
>
>

Salty folks man. Shadow negs 4 life.
DiamondDave
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7-Oct(#27)
Sid_Ceaser wrote:
> I'm definitely not the choice photographer for whoever it is that goes around negging
> my posts. smile
>

Probably the parent from the Booster Club who reported the OP.
harper
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7-Oct(#28)
Can't really say what I'd do in your position. But I do feel for you. The other guy is literally being paid to do the job they expect you do to for free which is fudgeed up. May not be worth losing your job over, but it could be worth looking for something else where you'll be more appreciated and compensated. I wouldn't burn any bridges, but maybe keep your options open. And don't do anything that they could benefit/profit off of in the short term. It'll probably all die out soon if they are taking the other guy back. But if you don't feel appreciated then that definitely isn't the place for you. Don't be complacent. Do what makes you feel rewarded and appreciated.
shadyfozzie
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8-Oct(#29)
In all honesty, u might want to get a lawyer consultation on this. Bring ur contract and job description, any emails you have gotten about this etc.. couple hundred dollars for the consultation might be worth it
lpeters82
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8-Oct(#30)
What is the best case of a lawsuit?
DiamondDave
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You get an employer who's super upset at your still being employed, everyone continues to crap on you in general or shun you until you eventually quit or get fired for stupid reasons. And you're out in legal fees and time spent defending yourself. You wouldn't be wrong, but weighing costs versus effect, seems weak.

Sadly I think the best COA is to carry on until you find better employ, then tell them to all go fudge themselves.
Admiral
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10-Oct(#32)
DiamondDave wrote:
> You get an employer who's super upset at your still being employed, everyone continues
> to crap on you in general or shun you until you eventually quit or get fired for
> stupid reasons. And you're out in legal fees and time spent defending yourself.
> You wouldn't be wrong, but weighing costs versus effect, seems weak.

100% agree. Sometimes it's TOTALLY important to be right...in this case, I really don't see it mattering, or benefiting you, to simply be right. I doubt you will gain anything by getting a lawyer.

>
> Sadly I think the best COA is to carry on until you find better employ, then tell
> them to all go fudge themselves.

I think it's probably best you hold off on the "go fudge yourselves" TBH. Your next employer wouldn't like to hear that you leave jobs in that fashion, most likely.
shadyfozzie
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10-Oct(#33)
What, according to your contract, does your job description entail.. that's all you go by..
Ranchan
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10-Oct(#34)
Sid_Ceaser wrote:
> I'm definitely not the choice photographer for whoever it is that goes around negging
> my posts. smile
>
>
Welcome to the club! :P
Demonis
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10-Oct(#35)
If the camera is yours and you're off duty the photos are legally yours. Nothing they can do about that unless they have some written contract you signed saying otherwise.
Ranchan
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shadyfozzie wrote:
> In all honesty, u might want to get a lawyer consultation on this. Bring ur contract
> and job description, any emails you have gotten about this etc.. couple hundred
> dollars for the consultation might be worth it

I respectfully disagree. The guy took pics for school related events. Normally, it'll be a union contract issue. If that doesn't apply, then whatever governance his locality has for municipal workers would apply. He did not sign a contract or obtain anything in writing regarding the events and how he should be compensated. There's really nothing for a lawyer to use to fight the school over. The laws and the facts are pretty much against KK here.

It basically comes down to whether OP wants to keep his job or not. If he doesn't turn over the photos, I'm 99.999% sure the principal will fire him. End of story.

I personally agree that the photos should be covered by a student photography club. Or alternatively, a kid from the student newspaper. When I was attending high school, there was a kid who wanted to be sports writer. So he attended basically all the games, did the photos, recorded interviews w/ players, coaches, etc. and wrote articles. Surely there must be a kid in the school looking to become a sports journalist someday?
Ranchan
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10-Oct(#37)
Demonis wrote:
> If the camera is yours and you're off duty the photos are legally yours. Nothing
> they can do about that unless they have some written contract you signed saying otherwise.

Should KK lose his job over it? Yes, he can legally keep it. But his boss, the principal, can legally fire him as well for not turning the photos over.
shadyfozzie
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10-Oct(#38)
Ranchan wrote:
> shadyfozzie wrote:
>> In all honesty, u might want to get a lawyer consultation on this. Bring ur contract
>> and job description, any emails you have gotten about this etc.. couple hundred
>> dollars for the consultation might be worth it
>
> I respectfully disagree. The guy took pics for school related events. Normally,
> it'll be a union contract issue. If that doesn't apply, then whatever governance
> his locality has for municipal workers would apply. He did not sign a contract or
> obtain anything in writing regarding the events and how he should be compensated.
> There's really nothing for a lawyer to use to fight the school over. The laws and
> the facts are pretty much against KK here.
>
> It basically comes down to whether OP wants to keep his job or not. If he doesn't
> turn over the photos, I'm 99.999% sure the principal will fire him. End of story.
>
> I personally agree that the photos should be covered by a student photography club.
> Or alternatively, a kid from the student newspaper. When I was attending high school,
> there was a kid who wanted to be sports writer. So he attended basically all the
> games, did the photos, recorded interviews w/ players, coaches, etc. and wrote articles.
> Surely there must be a kid in the school looking to become a sports journalist someday?

What I meant by consultation is to get advice on what he should do. Not sue the school, etc. Find out, legally, what he can do or what can be done against him.
Also, are you tenured??
Demonis
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10-Oct(#39)
Ranchan wrote:
> Demonis wrote:
>> If the camera is yours and you're off duty the photos are legally yours. Nothing
>> they can do about that unless they have some written contract you signed saying
> otherwise.
>
> Should KK lose his job over it? Yes, he can legally keep it. But his boss, the
> principal, can legally fire him as well for not turning the photos over.

I'd think that if his boss doesn't want a lawsuit and getting himself fired, he'd steer clear of extortion of someone's personal property.

He could still make KK's life a living hell sure, but if he specifically requests them under threat of termination, I'd sue the suspenders right off of Super Nintendo Chalmers.
Ranchan
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11-Oct(#40)
Demonis wrote:
>
> He could still make KK's life a living hell sure, but if he specifically requests
> them under threat of termination, I'd sue the suspenders right off of Super Nintendo
> Chalmers.

I'm doubtful a lawyer will take up KK's wrongful termination case without a hefty retainer up front. It's not a slip-and-fall situation. And again, KK could lose b/c nothing was in writing re: his afterschool photography. If I'm the lawyer for the school district, I would even suggest KK VOLUNTEERED to do it. Yup, it'll be lying but the lawsuit will boil down to KK's words against the principal's and let the jury decide who to believe.
Ranchan
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11-Oct(#41)
shadyfozzie wrote:
>
> Also, are you tenured??

Good question. I highly doubt it b/c KK isn't part of the teacher union. Would THEY allow him to be tenured and NOT part of the union???

Topic   What would you do in my situation?