Other thread was closed...so here we are.
Anyone else excited for AEW Dynamite tonight?
I live 10 mins away from the Jags stadium, need to go to a show down there sometime. I tried to get tix for the PPV but they sold out too fast. Would love to see Sting wrestle before he retires.
> I live 10 mins away from the Jags stadium, need to go to a show down there sometime.
> I tried to get tix for the PPV but they sold out too fast. Would love to see Sting
> wrestle before he retires.
Well the next one is Double or Nothing on May 30th, keep your eyes peeled if you want to try for tickets!
Aside from that, the PPV was fun, I like how AEW comes in hot with the opening matches every time. It makes a PPV feel much more balanced.
It took the air out of the place but I'm not about to burn anyone at the stake for a flubbed post-match gimmick personally. I haven't even seen too much actual toxic vitriol or calling for heads, surprisingly. Sure some people are upset but the general vibe on the internet last night and today is more tongue-in-cheek jokes. The overall wrestling community seems to be over it for the most part, but there will always be those who take anything not perfect personally for some reason.
The Cagematch aggregate score site has the show overall at a 7.11 and that match in particular a 7.85 (and it had been slightly above 8 for a while), so judging by that sample size, it doesn't seem the botch really affected many folks' overall opinion of the show.
I can understand being disappointed if you were there live but otherwise I don't doubt they'll be able to move past that ending sooner rather than later. They SHOULD have definitely called an audible and stopped Kingston from selling it like death though, that's what really made it come off so bad for me.
If they want refund for botch, then refund $2 for a minute of botch not $60
personally i didn't really care, i just sort of laughed and said they messed that up and moved on. me personally i'd have rather just seen a kenny vs moxley straight up match. i was more disappointed in seeing the good brothers bumrush the ring, but kenny being a heel i suppose it makes sense :). although the explosion attached to the barbed wire bat they brought in was pretty sweet.
I thought that bat explosion and the rope explosions were done really well. Obviously not legit explosions but they worked really well for the entertainment aspect. It was really just those closing seconds of the PPV that were rough.
Agreed that a normal singles match would have been nice, and that the Good Brothers probably shouldn't have interfered.
Somewhat related, I love the way AEW presents the relationships between wrestlers. It's not like most promotions where heels only help heels or vice versa. We've now seen Good Brothers help the Young Bucks, who are faces, AND Omega, a heel. They're not pretending there's no friendship among guys the entire world knows there is, at least not without first running an angle on TV to get them there. I think that's pretty cool and it's refreshing.
yeah that's a good point. every time the good brothers help the young bucks, i'm just waiting for them to kick their ass instead. but the friendships are known and noted.
Here's more info on the WWE Network's shift to Peacock. WWE Network will cease on April 4 in the US.https://www.theverge.com/22319438/wwe-network-peac...
Here's a little TL;DR on some of the more disappointing news:
|- Your current WWE Network account won't transfer to Peacock, you will have to sign up separately. There's no mention of what WWE intends to do for people who used pre-paid cards and have months left on their account still.|
- Don't expect all of the old WWE, WCW and ECW PPVs to be there on day one. Peacock says they expect to have them available "before SummerSlam". The only exception will be all WrestleMania events will be there from the start.
- Shows won't be broken up to make them easier to skip through to see specific parts quicker.
- You won't be able to search for specific matches or wrestlers anymore, though that feature might come later on.
Sounds like it might be off to a rocky start but they kind of try to make up for it by offering 4 months for $9.99https://www.peacocktv.com/sports/wwe
Use promo code PEACOCKMANIA. Offer Expires 4/9/2021. Must Be New to Peacock Premium
I'll probably do the 4 month deal, especially for Mania, but if they don't integrate some of that missing stuff by that point, looks like I'll finally be without the Network. Been a sub since day 1.
> I saw Sting at a WCW house show during the whole feud with NWO. Everyone was watching
> the rafters waiting for him to come down, but then he walked out from the back normally
> lol. He also lost clean to The Giant. (This is when he wasn't even wrestling on TV.)
> After the match, Giant pulled him out of the ring and carried him to the back. Both
> were faces. Almost forgot I ever saw Sting wrestle in person until you mentioned
> it there.
That's pretty badass. Cool crap used to happen at house shows. I saw Undertaker and Austin vs. Kane and Mankind at a house show when I was a kid and they friggin tore the house down. I wish that match (or just the whole show) was filmed, that was some good stuff.
I Went to a house show in college and went to take a leak and Val Venis and D-Lo Brown were walking through the concourse getting a hot dog... Also had a guy dressed as Jericho run into the ring during the match and get whooped..
lool nice. At the ROH show "Fade to Black" (which was named that because of the Tyler Black (Seth Rollins) vs. Christopher Daniels world title match), my buddy and I were about to leave the bathroom when the door swung open and almost bashed me. It was Claudio Castagnoli (Cesaro) and he just looked at me and jokingly said "be careful". That was a fun moment, and I was surprised to learn that I tooowwwer over the dude, I have more then a few inches on him.
I also got a photo with ROH ref Todd Sinclair, known to some folks as "fat pants", after their War of the Worlds show with NJPW in (I think) 2018. I was more drunk than I had ever been in a public setting and the picture 100% illustrates that, I look like I'm about to barf on him and I'm clutching his shoulder with a fudging falcon grip, but he was a friggin pal about it.
At the risk of GTZ using this against me for years to come:
[REDACTED] I actually don't trust yall.
Welp, Kenny Omega vs either Rich Swann or Moose (hoping for Moose) happening in April. A World Title unification match between AEW and Impact. Friggin wild times for us wrasslin fans right now.
the moxplosion was top notch wcw but honestly i expected elements of big shows dads funeral to be somewhere within the match so i ultimately left disappointed. I feel like the only way AEW will ever actually succeed is if they get Jeff Jarrett to team up with them before Cody lets the vibe descend into full early 90s kid vibes
and for the record ECW was just a bunch of guys who couldn't cut it anywhere else emulating shawn michaels and AEW is a bunch of guys who couldn't cut it anywhere else emulating ECW. lolz
so since hockey will be on abc/espn now starting next season. Will nxt remain on weds against aew dynamite and continuing battling.
interesting wwe hasn't made any statement regarding their nxt show
I feel like if they already made a deal to slate it in another time-slot, then that would have to remain for a while. No expert obv but I feel like there must be some sort of paperwork that goes into that stuff... then again shows often move time-slots back and forth if they do worse at one time over the other so who knows.
> Toni Storm has the nicest ass in the business, but she is still kind of green. She'd
> probably fit in more if this was still the "Divas" era.
I'm satisfied with the explanation AEW gave tonight for the dud of an exploding ring at Revolution and Eddie Kingston's oversell. They had a quick promo from what looked like Moxley's house with he and Kingston drinking some whiskey. Kingston explained that he got major anxiety and likened it to the "first time he felt that" when he was in jail preparing for court. So he more-or-less had a severe panic attack thinking a bomb was about to go off on him and Mox. He said that anyone can feel free to make fun of him or call him a coward or whatever, but that he wasn't talking for them but instead for the folks who can relate. Really well done by him, the dude can sell anything with promos alone, and the "anxiety" explanation works about as well as anything to cover up that sell job.
Then they wondered who Omega got to rig the ring or if maybe Impact sabotaged it but Mox wondered if the box it came in had the letters "ACME" on it, obv referencing the dud explosives from the Looney Tunes. All in all it wrapped up with a veiled threat from the two of them toward the Good Brothers, and that oughtta be a good match whenever it happens.
gosh darn what a fantastic ending to AEW dynamite
not going to spoil anything but what happened i never saw that coming at all
Yeah saying "Impact paid for the bomb" LOL, and comparing Kenny to the joker, that was perfect.
> gosh darn what a fantastic ending to AEW dynamite
> not going to spoil anything but what happened i never saw that coming at all
Yah that was badass. The best is that it's a culmination of a story that started over a year ago. Super well done longterm storytelling and if you look back at past Dynamites, there have been clues planted pretty much the entire time.
that aew womens division ! sign thunder rosa permanently
That Thunder Rosa/Brit Baker match was fudging awesome.
If you told me I'd be blown away by a Britt Baker blade job this time last week, I'd laugh in your face. But boy was it effective.
I'm not a huge fan of Brodus Clay, and apparently he's sort of a slimey dude irl. But I do want to see Aldis vs. Aron Stevens, so I might throw it on to see what they're cooking up over there.
I also wanna catch ROH 19th Anniversary Show. It's the strongest ROH card I can remember being booked for a while.
Spoiler for Fastlane tonight...
After the ref got knocked out during Bryan vs. Reigns, Edge (who was the special enforcer) started doing the refereeing until Jey Uso came out and superkicked both him and Bryan. After Bryan took care of Uso and beat the snot out of him with a chair, things went back to Bryan vs. Reigns and Bryan made Reigns tap out to the Yes Lock. Unfortunately, Edge "snapped" and hit him with a chair, then hit Roman with a chair, then hit Bryan again which (with the aid of a new ref) allowed Reigns to pin Bryan.
There's no way the Mania match doesn't become a triple threat right? Bryan not only made the champion tap, but then was also screwed out of the match by the #1 contender with chair shots. Personally I hope it does become a triple threat because adding Bryan in would add a legit air of unpredictability regarding who wins. If it remained clean-as-a-whistle babyface Edge vs. evil and dastardly heel Reigns, it'd be obvious Edge was winning to cap off his homecoming story. But with him skirting the line between heel and face, and a new face is added to the match, it really becomes anyone's ball game. I still think Edge is going to take it regardless, but I'd be a lot less sure if it was a triple threat with the possibility of Reigns being able to pin Bryan to keep Edge strong, or Bryan just outright winning again.
It'd also just be the better match all together, and be weird to see someone like Bryan inserted into a random midcard angle so late in the game.
I fear it might turns into fatal four way with jey as 4th guy
I wonder if its wwe's doing to make billie kay look like rejected pornstar and called her up too early
I bet benoit stuff is removed
I think the Miss Kitty thing has been censored for a while now. That "n bomb" moment should have legit never happened so that's fine to remove. Little bummed about Piper/Bad News but it makes sense, that was not a good look for ol' Hot Rod. Both figuratively and literally.
Wrestlemania 37 card is looking pretty promising tbh. Except for a few head scratchers, there are a handful of matches that could easily exceed expectations. I expect a US title match and maybe 1-2 other matches to be announced but so far, pretty good.
Cesaro vs Seth Rollins
Braun Strowman vs Shane McMahon
Bad Bunny (w Damien Priest) vs The Miz (w John Morrison)
Raw Tag Team Titles
New Day (c) vs AJ Styles & Omos
Smackdown Women's Title
Sasha Banks (c) vs Bianca Belair
Bobby Lashley (c) vs Drew McIntyre
Kevin Owens vs Sami Zayn
Big E (c) vs Apollo Crews
The Fiend (w Alexa Bliss) vs Randy Orton
Raw Women's Title
Asuka (c) vs Rhea Ripley
WWE Universal Title Triple Threat
Roman Reigns (c) vs Edge vs Daniel Bryan
I was always a WCW fan growing up, that's what the kid down the street with satellite watched so it was what I was familiar with. WWF was always the other one I was sort of aware existed but never saw. Then we got Dish and I could start watching WCW and WWF, but this was right as Monday night wars were starting, so along with being more familiar, it was the better product.
By the time WCW folded I checked in on WWE once in a while. Tried to watch TNA but the top of the show was always so awful. Jeff Jarrett sucked. I'd check out ROH and NJPW and stuff like that now and then but none of it was what I was looking for.
So with March Madness I had to get Hulu with Live TV to get all the games I wanted. So I started watching AEW. I'm about 6 episodes in. There's a lot I like about it but seems like they are also missing the mark on the overall product.
keep track of victories and make them matter.
Lots of new young guys i barely know that seem good. MJF could be a huge star, like top heel. Darby Allin maybe? Orange Cassidy was getting some buzz outside of the normal channels recently.
Cody isn't forcing himself into the center of everything
The older timers they bring in are pretty good. Jericho, Sting, Christian, Dustin. And they generally aren't the focus.
Seems like most of these guys suck at selling. Cody can sell. Maybe they just sell in PPVs?
The Dark Order. I've put together it was Brodie Lee's thing and he died and his son is a member... but it's not working.
I wish the time between high impact moves was greater. Like it looks a bit more like watching a video game of a wrestling match than a wrestling match sometimes.
I may be a minority but I'm not a fan of Kenny Omega. He's kind of the epitome of the above. I don't like his selling. I feel like most of his matches he isn't caring about any "story".
Overall I am going to keep watching for a while and may grab a PPV or something.
It obviously remains to be seen if this lasts, but Cody has only challenged for the World title once with the match's stipulation stating that if he lost, he could never challenge for the World title again, ever. Cody lost, and he hasn't challenged for it again. Of course, he's already 2x TNT champ, and he tends to be involved in celebrity angles often, but I agree it's nice that he isn't forcing himself to the top of the card constantly. Again, that could only be until he eventually turns heel and decides to reverse that decision to get the immediate heat, but who knows.
MJF & Orange Cassidy are money. Darby is pretty great too, but I feel he's just a little bit overrated by the company. They've been mega-pushing him in that "upper midcarder" slot pretty much since Dynamite started but I'm not sure I've seen anything besides his wildly dangerous moves that would warrant that. I'm also surprised that they paired him with Sting right off the bat... they stress similarities but other than face paint, I don't see it much. Sure Darby also likes to brood around but that hasn't really been Sting's schtick since like 1998. Still not bad by any means so I can't really complain.
Anyhow, I really don't understand the "selling" argument that folks have. I think the majority of them sell just as well as anyone else. Admittedly, they definitely do have moments where they'll string together long sequences at once with little selling in between the individual moves, but that's just "strong style", which is the style Japanese promotions are famous for. It's honestly my favorite style of wrestling - especially when it's done right. This is the type of stuff NJPW, ROH and PWG were doing while Cena, Batista and Triple H were topping the cards in WWE, and it's the type of wrestling that got me back into wrestling when the mainstream US wrestling was failing me. To see AEW use it is a breath of fresh air for me, personally. But outside of that style, I don't see the issue folks take with the selling in AEW.
-I can understand someone not liking Dark Order, but I can't agree it's "not working", at least for the general AEW audience. They're one of the most over aspects in AEW right now - the stuff with Adam Page has especially been fun. At this point, it's best to disassociate them from the "evil, mysterious" aspect that they were trying to get over originally and look at them as a group of goons who initially bought into a cult like mentality but then just decided to stick with it despite that blatantly not matching any of their personalities anymore. They're supposed to be a "levity" act for the most part, not menacing heels or anything. The gimmick WAS failing when they were actually trying to be that (until Brodie Lee showed up) but it evolved into something more entertaining.
-I can't lie and say Omega has been at the top of his game during AEW... he has definitely rivaled it a few times but it's not as consistent as his NJPW days. Either way, almost any match he's in tells a story, so I can't see eye-to-eye with you on that aspect. Check out Young Bucks vs. Omega/Page from Revolution 2020... one of the best matches in recent history and one of the best stories told via match that I've seen in a long time. It also has one of my favorite spots of all-time, which only adds to the story they're telling.
I wouldn't mind it as long as she lost, though I would rather that remain a singles.
Yeah i was aiming for asuka charlotte II
I pre-ordered the "physical" copy, which is really just a digital code with a case, booklet and a few other things if I recall. But it was also only $25 so I figured I'd just snag that as opposed to just digital for the same, or a higher, price.
Wonder if they shipped those out yet if it's already on eShop.
As stupid as I feel it is to lift Covid restrictions to Florida's extent and as equally stupid as I feel WWE is for playing into it, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't excited at the idea of Mania with a crowd again. And I'm most interested in seeing what the 25,000-person mandate with Covid protocol in place looks like on TV.
25,000 seems like a low number when it comes to Wrestlemania attendance, but there are actually plenty with smaller attendances. 1, 2 (each individual city), 4, 5, 7, 9-16, 20-22, and obviously 36 all had smaller attendances. But after so long with giant football stadium Manias, it'll be interesting (and sort of welcome) to see a smaller crowd without the weirdness of airing a pre-taped show with no crowd filmed in what is essentially a gym.
I just got credits refund from wwe network but page wouldn't load for me to get it
Whole show was pretty solid. WALTER is the best thing going in anything-WWE right now.
I hope not. She'll just get misused on the main shows. I don't mind any of the "main event" ladies but they need to stop wasting call ups or just let them keep actually wrestling in NXT.
Seems good for me so far. Pretty run of the mill Mania but fun enough I suppose.
Was at a pals house earlier and can't sleep atm so I'm watching what I missed of Mania. Banks/Belair is an all time great main event, what a great match. Sasha may have just solidified herself as a legend with that heel performance, putting over the new star perfectly. And Belair made that real easy for her, she was wildly impressive.
Rollins/Cesaro was in prob my match of the night, solely for the result.
Also holy crap that Bianca hair spot was bruuuuuutal.
Welp that Orton/Fiend thing was fudging awful. Hate the red lighting, hate how quick the match was, hate that Randy went over aaagain, and hate the lack of a payoff to the story. I thought the actual visual of Alexa at the end there was badass but I really wish the match was longer and more meaningful, and I wanted more than just Alexa and Fiend staring each other down and then disappearing as the aftermath.
It canNOT be this difficult to book Fiend strong, they did it for a few months but it seems they've officially just gone back to the old Bray Wyatt booking. It's getting ridiculous.
Night two was not quite as good as night one, but still a solid event overall.
I had low expectations for the main event, but it was much better than I thought it was going to be. Because of all the stuff I was reading where they wanted to send the crowd home happy, I was worried Edge would be leaving as champ (I knew it wasn't going to be Daniel Bryan). The poor guy looks like he's aged 10 years in the year since he's been back.
Asuka vs Rhea wasn't a bad match, but Sasha and Bianca set the bar really high and this just couldn't compete with that. But supposedly Rhea's name was getting searched a lot on Google after this match, more than anyone else's from the previous night, I assume by people who don't watch NXT and/or had forgotten who she was since she was on WrestleMania last year too. Peacock also has probably brought in a ton more viewers of casual fans than it would have gotten otherwise.
I was hoping Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn would put on a clinic. I wasn't disappointed in their match, but I think I need to watch it again. First viewing I didn't think it lived up to its potential.
Sheamus vs Riddle, I felt this was a good match. For the most part I have never really given a crap about Sheamus. I admit I liked him when he was tagging with Cesaro, but as a singles wrestler I have never looked forward to any of his matches, including this one. But once in a while he is capable of delivering.
The Fiend vs Randy Orton, okay match I guess, but a bad finish. I'm glad the fans boo'd after nothing came from that little stare down between Alexa and The Fiend.
Women's tag match was barely able to hold my attention.
Apollo Crews vs Big E, I like Big E, but this match also could barely hold my attention. I don't even remember what the finish was.
Ranking the matches from both nights:
1. Sasha Banks vs. Bianca Belair - Easily the best match of both nights. Even with how good Night 2's main event was, this match was just a straight up, pure wrestling match between two wildly impressive wrestlers. They didn't rely on weapons or giant spots to get the crowd into it, instead relying on both of ladies' skill and athleticism. The emotion was also at its peak during this match, with the historical significance clearly affecting both wrestlers to the point that they were near tears at the reception and hype the match was receiving after the opening bell. Belair deserved to win and Sasha helped make her look like a million bucks in doing so.
2. Roman Reigns vs. Edge vs. Daniel Bryan - I don't care how old Edge is or looks, his performance in this match more than proved he's still worthy of wrestling and winning. It's all about whether the wrestling is entertaining in my personal opinion, and if a dude can still go he can still go. Edge and Goldberg are not the same, that's for sure. Roman was the right guy to win, he's the freshest character and is finally over with said character so there was no reason to stop his momentum. D Bry was never a true threat to win this but him being involved definitely resulted in a better match than what we would have got from a singles, and he deserves to be be in the main event picture consistently.
3. Matt Riddle vs. Sheamus - This was the best match of either night that wasn't a main event. This was super hard hitting, lots of high spots integrated at the exact right times, and really well-paced. I'm not a huge fan of either guy but this match definitely helped change my perception of them both. This also gets the "best finish" award for WM37 - that mid-air Brogue Kick directly to a moonsaulting Riddle's mush was badass and I think it legitimately busted Riddle's lip open. This match actually made the US title feel like it means something after a while of that not being the case.
4. Kevin Owens vs. Sami Zayn - This match was great. I've obviously seen both dudes put on far better matches (ROH Final Battle 2010 & 2012, PWG Steen Wolf, etc), but for the card placement and time given (way too little, that is), it was awesome. I was really happy to see Logan Paul's participation kept to just reacting to the match from ringside and his facial expressions actually did help sell the action more than you'd think. He took a heck of a Stunner too, so props to him for that, and props to WWE for giving Owens the classic "Stun everyone no matter what" gimmick that I've missed since Austin retired.
5. Cesaro vs. Seth Rollins - A VERY ROH-style match, these guys pulled out stuff they used to do against each other back in that promotion. I didn't LOVE the match, I feel like both guys could have done a bit better and just a few more minutes would have been nice (as is the case with a lot of the matches from WM37), but they still got the job done. Cesaro winning was a real feel moment and I hope it leads to something more than his Andre Battle Royal win did back at WM30. Dude deserves top titles, here's hoping that this is his "in". There's really not many people to challenge Reigns at the moment now that he pinned both DB and Edge at the same time, so it'd be refreshing to see Cesaro get a go at the title. This win helps make that believable, even if I don't expect it.
6. Bad Bunny and Damian Priest vs. The Miz and John Morrison - Obviously way better than it had any right being. Damian Priest was only cleared RIGHT before the match and was almost pulled, so the fact that he looked like a million bucks in the ring is impressive. Miz and Morrison once again proved why they're two of the most trustworthy dudes to have on a roster. And Bad Bunny faaaar exceeded expectations. A much better celebrity match than most of them end up being. Wouldn't mind seeing Bad Bunny get involved again sometime.
7. The New Day vs. AJ Styles and Omos - I actually really enjoyed this match. Great tag team psychology from the New Day, cutting off the ring and keeping AJ from tagging Omos. A master class in making a dude look like a threat before he even throws any offense. But then when he DID get in there, he was impressive enough. The creepy psychotic looks on Omos' face were legit scary and made you feel like New Day was up against a true monster. That plus they sold every move he hit like death. His big guy grunts and all his mannerisms were great and with a little bit more polish, Omos could definitely be a fun addition to the "big guy" roster.
8. Drew McIntyre vs. Bobby Lashley - This match was good if a little flat. The crowd ended up being a detriment to the match itself due to them being soaked from the rain, which likely wasn't the desired result for the first match back in front of fans. Still, both guys put on a pretty good brawl with some surprisingly good technical stuff. I think maybe Drew should have lost via pinfall, and maybe MVP should have physically interfered as opposed to just distracted, but I'm not upset by the TKO finish.
9. Big E vs. Apollo Crews - A good match that was hampered by lack of time and a silly gimmick that didn't really pay off at all. Not a single drum was used in this match, a couple just sat on a table. Cool! Otherwise a pretty standard match with both buys looking impressive enough to warrant the spotlight, and the interference finish keeps Big E looking strong (hopefully for a main event push).
10. Braun Strowman vs. Shane McMahon - It was better than I was expecting and it's always fun to see a classic cage match on Mania. Shane just has no business being in a Mania match, and definitely has no business getting as much offense against a guy like Strowman. Thankfully the interference helped make that a little more believable, but seeing Braun sell Shane's punch combos was laughable. Still, pretty neat moment with the cage being ripped off and Shane taking another big bump, but it wasn't anything too spectacular.
11. Rhea Ripley vs. Asuka - This was a good match but it was a bit plodding considering the two wrestlers involved. It was a lot slower than I was expecting and I can't help but feel Asuka's teeth injury may have been effecting her performance, or some other sort of injury, because she wasn't moving the way she usually does. It's nice to see another fresh face get a major title though, so the right person won. I was just expecting a bit more action, though there was no topping Banks/Belair either way.
12. Shayna Baszler and Nia Jax vs. Natalya and Tamina - Like the Tag Team Turmoil match, this was okay but there's nothing to talk about. The right team won considering they're actually a team, but Tamina getting the win for her team would have been a nice moment considering the crowd was super into her, and Natalya does deserve a bit more recognition than she gets. Still, not bad, just nothing memorable.
13. Women's Tag Team Turmoil - Again, a fine match but nothing memorable at all. Really all you can say about it.
14. The Fiend vs. Randy Orton - This was just awful all around. The wrestling was okay, but just okay from two dudes who are capable of way more isn't acceptable at Mania. The majority of the blame there goes to whoever decided they only needed 5 minutes. It took Orton setting Wyatt on fire to beat him last time, but here it took a single RKO. Just laughable. The visuals of Alexa Bliss at the end and after the match were cool but it lead to the biggest popcorn fart of the night with a random blackout disappearing spot. For all the crap this angle presented the past few months, to not properly pay it off and instead just give Orton a 5 minute win and a crapty angle was terrible.
tldr jericho is on stone colds podcast and marks still think wwe and aew are separate
> That dumbass Meltzer tried claiming that pop Edge got last night (one of the loudest
> of the night) was "artificial" and the fans were more popping for the pyro during
> his entrance than for him.
I don't hate the guy as much as most folks but he definitely can be a little doucher sometimes.
Gave WWE the benefit of the doubt that they could do something cool on Raw to make up for a few of the Raw-sided misfires from Mania so I watched tonight and they essentially squashed any interest I had in every sense. Seems like they're sticking to the beaten path of uninspired booking.
Maybe I'll give Smackdown a go, there seems to be more meat on the bone as far as what could happen post-Mania goes.