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Topic   "You'll never make money off playing video games" - Thanks Mom & Dad

MrBean
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* 4-Sep-2017(#1)
I'd assume many of you, like me, grew up in the 80's and had/have a mild obsession with video games. Thankfully back then, we were all still normal kids and got outside on a regular basis.

Anyway, early on in life, I always said I wanted to make video games. I never really had any career aspirations, but always wanted to do what I enjoy the most, gaming. I got accepted into DigiPen when I was 17 and I sadly never went. I was too busy being a stupid teenager, partying. Re-applied post high school, got accepted again and ... still didn't go. Decided to go to a local college in Ohio and never finished as I landed a pretty sweet gig in IT and the rest is history.

Now a days, making money off gaming is becoming a very common thing and it's hard not to get upset over it. Seems like every other day I'm reading about kids making an absurd amount of money and I can't help but be envious and jealous on a regular basis. Here I am, now in my mid 30's and questioning ... is it too late, or do I stay the course? I am constantly riddled with fear of missing out and If I continue to delay, that it will only become harder. I have to assume I'm not alone on this question on GTZ as most of us appear to be in our 30's.

I make more money than I ever thought possible, or deserve, but can't come to terms with being OK leaving that behind. We grew up dirt poor on government assistance and I'm fearful of losing what I have. I still do not have a college degree and I am rapidly approaching a ceiling with my salary and career path. In order to continue down this path, I'm going to need my degree at some point in the not so distant future. I just recently enrolled into WGU and I will be resuming my abandoned college efforts from over a decade ago. I'm just having a hard time saying "yep, this is for me ... more school" vs. being excited about doing something I'm really energetic and driven by ya know?

Seems like breaking into the Twitch community now a days is not an easy task. That as usual, 'just missed the bus', on this new world. I (probably like everyone else here), just ... hate working. I hate knowing that so much of my life will be blown working and on something I'm not overly passionate about. Yet, now that I have a son and we're already prepping for our second, it seems foolish to gamble with stability and consistency at this stage in life.

Just curious if any others here have toyed with these ideas and have moved forward with them. I'm debating trying out this whole Twitch thing, but then I question If I have the right personality for it. Have had a lot of these chats locally with friends and colleagues over beer recently, and they all say if any one they know can pull it off, it'd be me. The thing is though, my humor is usually in the form of being the funny, angry, crazy and foul mouthed big guy (I've always been referred to as Farley or Seth Rogen). Sadly, most of my humor stems from alcohol. My assumption is that profanity and booze are not generally accepted in the Twitch community due to minors.

Pretty sure this is a mid life crisis, haha. Just would love to get paid to play and truly enjoy my daily job. Like anything one does not have, it's typically not as glamorous as an outsider makes it out to be and I'm hopeful that's the case here. Reality is, it's probably amazing and those making the big bucks probably love every aspect of their daily life!
Osiris
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4-Sep-2017(#2)
Making money in competitive game playing, or working in the gaming industry in development, management, marketing, etc?

I hear from my youngest weasel that the reflexes go with age, that it is a young person's game competitively.

So would working in the industry satisfy your jones, or competitive play only?
six
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* 4-Sep-2017(#3)
5 years ago I tried doing YouTube as a stupid 15 year old. Everyone thought it was stupid and it scared me off of YouTube. Recently I've been thinking to getting back into it. I've been toying with the idea of doing a GTA machinma type video or gmod animations.
I've also did some injustice videos one kinda blew up. For a small video lol https://youtu.be/kcWOOFXQ6KM
MrBean
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4-Sep-2017(#4)
Sadly, living in Ohio limits options of working in the industry. Think that ship sailed when I didn't move to the west coast.

Competitive gaming is a young man's game and seems like you need to truly play an insane amount to compete. I'd like to think I'm still pretty damn good but doubt I can compete in today's market.

Honestly, I think if anything it's just finding ways to get paid to play... Twitch and what not. Is the ROI really there? Or have the primary players been established and it's too much work with not enough return?
MrBean
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4-Sep-2017(#5)
@six - will check out the video later, but especially at your age, seems worthwhile to stick with it for now.
Dashey
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4-Sep-2017(#6)
I tried doing it earlier this year but I'm not planning on getting thousand of subscribers or anything like that. I have new videos uploaded every day but currently, I'm just at 9 subscribers lol.

Here's one that was uploaded yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OLZurpOBcE

six
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4-Sep-2017(#7)
Dashey wrote:
> I tried doing it earlier this year but I'm not planning on getting thousand of subscribers
> or anything like that. I have new videos uploaded every day but currently, I'm just
> at 9 subscribers lol.
>
> Here's one that was uploaded yesterday.
>
>
>
a little advice you should do commentary, on the hit and run it had none if I remember right. If you do commentary people will come.
MrBean
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4-Sep-2017(#8)
What overall brings more potential revenue? Live streaming via Twitch or YouTube reviews and such? My gut says the latter is super bloated and very difficult to make splash. Ya need a niche and while I say I don't have it, others say I do. I dunno... Maybe I should just try.

What's best bet to start? Do a review or play through or something?
Dashey
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4-Sep-2017(#9)
Reviews are probably your best bet.

@six the problem I have is that I literally have nothing to say lol.

Johnny
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4-Sep-2017(#10)
I did twitch for a couple years and got up to 800-900 followers. I made about $50-100 a month of donations. Played two hours a night nearly every night. I had a blast with it but it was exhausting and stressful trying to get people in the channel.

I recommend staying with your career and doing twitch on the side. I still get the itch every once in a while to stream but remember the headaches.
six
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4-Sep-2017(#11)
I think YouTube would be harder with the whole adpoclypse going on. Twitch can be easier if you got the personality for it. It helps if your active with the chat. I feel more the interactive you are with the viewers the better you will do .
John
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4-Sep-2017(#12)
So, it is indeed easier today than years ago to "make money" in something related to video games. But, a lot of that is just "normal job" stuff. I mean, you could be a network engineer doing IT work for a large gaming company, for example. That's a bit different than getting rich making your own video games.

So, there ARE some of those people out there that you hear about -- but it is still rare.

To me, it sounds a bit like going "Yeah, my parents told me that I'd never get rich playing basketball, but now I see all of these NBA guys with millions and wonder if I should have done that too!"

I realize it isn't a perfect analogy, but it is still a lot like that when it comes to getting rich from video games. Therefore, I don't think you should feel too bad about it -- or feel that you missed some big thing. You very likely didn't.

Could you have had a job in gaming? Sure -- but it might be sitting behind a desk answering customer service calls from people that can't get some MMO to connect.

Could you have gotten RICH in gaming? Probably not. Sure, a few do it -- like a few NBA players do it -- but it is still quite rare.
MrBean
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4-Sep-2017(#13)
@John, agreed; however, getting rich vs living comfortably and/or supplemental income. I'd personally be quite content living comfortably playing games instead of working in IT. Hell, even to make a few extra bucks for a vacation would be fantastic.

To me it's more about the passion and entertainment than expecting to be a millionaire. I've come to learn money isn't everything but at the same time I have a life style I'm not ready to part ways with.

Seems like the best bet is to smart small and hope for the best.
six
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4-Sep-2017(#14)
TBH I rather be getting just by and love what I do instead of being wealthy doing something I absolutely hate.
MentalVortex

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4-Sep-2017(#15)
Send me a PM containing your DOB and the exact minute shown on your birth certificate and I will give you some ideas.
Osiris
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4-Sep-2017(#16)
six wrote:
> TBH I rather be getting just by and love what I do instead of being wealthy doing
> something I absolutely hate.

ya, but if you are actually wealthy, you get to create interesting personal and commercial opportunities you would love doing
get both!
Tony
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4-Sep-2017(#17)
It never ceases to amaze me how people can make money on the 'net. I just read in the last year about a guy who makes a bundle recording his children reviewing new toys and games and posts them on YouTube. Apparently they are so influential that manufacturers now send him their latest stuff.

I have to agree with John. This sounds analogous to kids who look at professional sports and think "If I had stayed with sports instead of studying, I could have gone pro and gotten rich". When a kid tells me he is going to be a professional athlete, I tell them to look at how large the population is and how few get to sports at the professional level. e.g. How many people are there in the US and how many play quarterback in the NFL?

Two of my nephews and a great nephew are tall and very good at basketball. When they were young, the two brothers had pictures of Lambourghinis on their wall because that was the first thing they were going to buy when they got their pro contracts. They were both on high school teams that went to the state finals and one was the star of the state championship team. The former lasted one year in college and the latter had a decent junior college career. Neither made it to the pros. The latter now makes very good money running his own internet security service. From my brother's description, he has computers monitoring his clients systems remotely and they notify him of any suspicious activity.

My great nephew was the star of his high school and junior college teams. He has played for Australia and a couple of European pro teams. I don't know how much money he makes, but he has gotten to travel the world.
SirConnery
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4-Sep-2017(#18)
How good are you at building electronics?

Arcades are making a comeback. Competitive high scoring is slowly becoming a thing. Whoever can create a system either new or using easily repurposed technology to synchronize scoring across arcades will be rolling in dough. Right now people are using custom built camera rigs to stream their high score runs in arcades. Most setups are very crude. Streamline the process and make it compatible on the backend to most streaming services and you'll be a hero.
ENIX
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4-Sep-2017(#19)
I've done both. If you're going to be serious about making some kind of living off of it, go with Youtube. Twitch is a TOTAL crapshoot. I had around 1500 followers when I gave up on it and made only maybe $10-$100 for 4+ hours of effort a night. You're better off working at McDonald's for that kind of money. You basically have to have been already famous or have something REALLY special going on...or just be lucky. Twitch depends on too many aspects outside of your control to get anywhere and make any money. At least with Youtube, your videos are static and done on your own free time as you see fit and they sit there waiting for more views to generate revenue. Also since they're static, you can pound out a bunch of short 5-10 minute videos and they will all sit there waiting for views to gather revenue. It only takes one great success, large-viewed video to kick things off and get views on old videos as well as get subscribers. You have much more of it under your control..and you're not relegated to just "Let's Play" videos; you can do reviews of products, games, cartoons, whatever as well as original content like animations and sketches etc. You can broaden your appeal with more than just sitting there playing Mario Maker hoping people will donate cash for playing their stage.
John
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4-Sep-2017(#20)
MrBean wrote:
> @John, agreed; however, getting rich vs living comfortably and/or supplemental income.
> I'd personally be quite content living comfortably playing games instead of working
> in IT. Hell, even to make a few extra bucks for a vacation would be fantastic.

Ok, I'm cool with that and agree. When you said "I'm reading about kids making an absurd amount of money", I didn't know if you meant normal day jobs and living comfortably or if you meant "getting rich." If you just mean a game-related day-job, then I agree. yes

> To me it's more about the passion and entertainment than expecting to be a millionaire.

Sure, sure -- but I guess my point is that there are lots of game-related jobs now, but most of them probably don't have much in the way of "passion and entertainment." That might still be reserved for a fairly small group -- in which case, if that is what you expect, then it might still be a stretch...

> Seems like the best bet is to smart small and hope for the best.

yes I wish you well!
John
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4-Sep-2017(#21)
six wrote:
> TBH I rather be getting just by and love what I do instead of being wealthy doing
> something I absolutely hate.

Sure, but you have to realize that there is a HUGE in-between there. Most people don't "absolutely hate" their job -- and make a decent living at it. They don't hate it and make insane money -- and they also don't LOVE it as their favorite thing and "just get by." Most fall somewhere much more in the middle.

It sounds like that might be the case here. He's more in the middle now. He makes a decent living doing something that he admits is a "pretty sweet gig." Doesn't sound like he hates it.

So, it very rarely comes down to being the extremes as you suggest. Very few people ever have to make the choice between rich-and-hate-it versus poor-but-love-it sorts of jobs.

In this case, it sounds like it comes down to decent-living-doing-a-pretty-sweet-gig versus wondering-what-could-have-been-in-a-different-career. It's much more complex than doing-what-you-love versus doing-what-you-hate, IMO.
harper
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4-Sep-2017(#22)
Stopped reading at FOMO. Thank you for clarifying what that means. I'm not good with acronyms and it's always fun to learn new ones. So thank you for educating me. Good luck with whatever the fudge is happening with you cause don't know and don't care.
SirConnery
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4-Sep-2017(#23)
harper wrote:
> luck with whatever the fudge is happening with you cause don't know and don't care.

So you took the time to respond? Sounds like you really do care! smile
MrBean
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5-Sep-2017(#24)
harper wrote:
> Stopped reading at FOMO. Thank you for clarifying what that means. I'm not good with
> acronyms and it's always fun to learn new ones. So thank you for educating me. Good
> luck with whatever the fudge is happening with you cause don't know and don't care.
>

You're welcome!
MrBean
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5-Sep-2017(#25)
@ENIX - good advice, thank you. Your points are valid and should I pursue, I'd agree that YouTube is a better starting area.

Any recommendations on video editing software?
MrBean
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5-Sep-2017(#26)
17 year old gets $150k Overwatch contract with ESPN, wow.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/04/overwatch-s-hi...
Tony
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5-Sep-2017(#27)
MrBean wrote:
> 17 year old gets $150k Overwatch contract with ESPN, wow.
>

At least 20 years ago my wife and I were vacationing on Maui. There was a local TV show profiling an 18 yr old girl who was being paid by a sports equipment manufacturer to live on Maui and practice wind surfing. She would go out every day for about 4 hours when the winds were "just right". The company was expecting her to be the next champion and would then endorse their products. I'm sorry, but I don't remember her name or if she ever got anywhere.

A few years ago I went to a local 4H Fair. There were two guys doing bicycle jumps with a ramp. A friend of mine was working security and he told me one of those guys was 42 and doing exhibitions in these traveling fairs was his livelihood.
youllbejustfine
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5-Sep-2017(#28)
Do you have any skills that could be applied to gaming? Perhaps art/illustration, programming, sound design, game design, user-interfaces, etc? Or perhaps in something else that could be applied to any business- like project management, accounting, marketing, promotional, publishing, legal? Because there are lots of indie dev teams, all around the world, that need these types of skills. You could try signing-up on Upwork and see if there's anything available in the game industry that could align with one of your skills.
MrBean
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5-Sep-2017(#29)
@youllbejustfine - yeah, I spend a fair amount of time in the wonderful world of project management these days. I work remotely today, so you're right, there could be some potential opps out there.
youllbejustfine
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5-Sep-2017(#30)
So who knows if an industry change is enough for you to feel refreshed, along those lines. Perhaps you want to take a bit of a different path entirely.

How interested are you in game/interaction theory and criticism? Game Makers Toolkit, Folding Ideas, or Nerdwriter are all great examples of people who took their hobbies and started to really dig into them, and have been able to make it their fulltime gigs (Patreon seems to be the ticket). Plus, they are doing really important work, in my opinion.

If you're making videos, video production skills would be a plus, of course. But nothing you couldn't learn with the right app and help from some online tutorials.
tonymack21
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5-Sep-2017(#31)
I am with you, I loathe working. I hate working for the man and getting back pennies on the dollar for the trade of my time for their money. I don't hate the job, its pretty easy most days. but I have two kids, and I have good benefits and good insurance and in my area you don't do any better than this company, I'll put another 25-30 years in here and retire most likely barring the lotto. at near 21.50 an hour most people in this area are lucky to start a job at half that, and without the great benefits, and I am underpaid severely compared to my colleagues here, many make 10-15k more a year than I do, which is a long story. I don't make anywhere in the realm of 200k, if I did I wouldn't think about leaving it, but I suspect you live in a much higher cost of living area if you would even consider it, in texas you are RICH if you can make 200k, or even 100-150. RICH I tell you. that is so comfortable you would have not a worry in the world when it comes to finances around here unless you were crazy irresponsible and living above those means.

I have thought a lot about this too, I see the idiots that my kids watch on youtube and these guys are cranking out enough vids its gotta be their only job, there is no way they put out that much content and work a day job, unless they are vampires and don't need much sleep. I am new to watching twitch but I watch a lot of Aris Tekken streams (he's avoiding the puddle on twitch and youtube) and the people just throw money, sometimes a lot. hes pretty interactive with the chat and also shares a lot of tips and demonstrates things sometimes if someone asks a good question. hes on the grind though, hes on there almost every day. a friend does the youtube channel, editing clips of the streams and just posting that, he doesn't even make youtube specific stuff and says he doesn't even read it.

and if you are a hot girl, omg forget it, check out Amouranth sometime, she makes more in a couple hours than I make all day just playing just dance in a tank top with her jubblies hanging out and booty shorts, or laying in the floor drawing digimon characters, again with the jubblies front and center. but she is insanely hot, insanely, and is really active with the chat and community. and she is also on there near every night, ive seen people throw two or three hundred at a time at her. she does incentives like come on fam 20 subs tonight and i'll play twister. she cosplays and goes to cons but rarely plays a game on the stream, the occasional overwatch match or two. but it doesn't bring the money the dancing does.

but ya ive thought about setting up a twitch channel and just messing with it and seeing if it could be a thing, my son wants a camera for his birthday to make youtube vids. my friends and i used to make stupid little things with the old camcorder on vhs tapes, we even started doing some original content that isn't that different than some of the incredibly stupid crap that's online and on adult swim these days, my mother regrets making us stop "acting stupid with the camera" now, we could be rich lol.

i don't really care about being really rich, thought itd be nice sure, but ya how great would it be to do something you really wanted to do and be as well off or better than you would at a job for "the man". i hate corporate America so much.

Scott
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* 5-Sep-2017(#32)
There was a short period of time back in my Halo 3 days that I kinda wished I could have gone pro. It didn't last long. Maybe things have changed, but back then, there really wasn't that much money in it unless you were in one of the top 4 teams, or lucky enough to become the face of the game and get sponsored. Even then, it wasn't long before one of two things happened: 1) new, younger players entered the scene and took over, or 2) the game stopped being played either because new games were released that were more popular, or leagues stopped supporting it. I would say trying to become a professional gamer would be one of the hardest avenues to get into, and definitely the least stable.

I also dabbled with streaming Mario Maker for a short period of time. It was a fun experience, but I quickly learned I didn't have the personality to go places with it.

I would recommend Youtube. You can also stream there (not sure if that's been mentioned yet). Twitch has been around longer so it's more established, but Youtube will keep getting better and better. One huge benefit is being able to also upload videos, so you can do a combination of streaming and creating content. That seems to be the winning combination these days for new guys. Twitch is all about what's happening right now, and doesn't make it very easy to go back and view old stuff, but Youtube is great for that.

MrBean wrote:
> @John, agreed; however, getting rich vs living comfortably and/or supplemental income.
> I'd personally be quite content living comfortably playing games instead of working
> in IT. Hell, even to make a few extra bucks for a vacation would be fantastic.
>
> To me it's more about the passion and entertainment than expecting to be a millionaire.
> I've come to learn money isn't everything but at the same time I have a life style
> I'm not ready to part ways with.
>
> Seems like the best bet is to smart small and hope for the best.

I would say that even getting to the point where you can make a comfortable living off of it is still in the extreme minority, possibly on the same level as the professional athlete analogies. It takes a lot more views/followers than most people realize. There are two streamers I started following around the time Mario Maker came out, both were brand new. One is up to almost 50,000 subs now, while the other passed 150,000 subs recently. Both of them still work full time jobs, because they're still nowhere close to making a comfortable living off of it. Getting to even 50,000 is no easy task, very few make it that far. These 2 guys just happened to be a couple of the best out there, and got lucky by being in the right place at the right time and capitalizing on a game that turned out to be extremely popular and stream friendly. I saw so many other guys who were great players with interesting/entertaining personalities who just didn't see the same success as the two other guys I mentioned.

Most likely, you'll be able to make some supplemental income off of it, which is fine if you're happy with that, but you'll still need to be working full time. Only, you now have another responsibility to keep up with. There's a lot more to it than just hopping on and streaming for a couple hours here and there. First off, you need to establish a consistent schedule to really keep people coming back, so it becomes a part time job to you. If you're not just streaming but also uploading videos you'll need time to make them. The bigger you become, the more work you need to do. Even if you're just streaming, for best results you'll want to create title cards for your thumbnails, and do some basic editing to the live stream footage before posting it to your page, so that all takes extra time.
six
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5-Sep-2017(#33)
John wrote:
> six wrote:
>> TBH I rather be getting just by and love what I do instead of being wealthy doing
>> something I absolutely hate.
>
> Sure, but you have to realize that there is a HUGE in-between there. Most people
> don't "absolutely hate" their job -- and make a decent living at it. They don't
> hate it and make insane money -- and they also don't LOVE it as their favorite thing
> and "just get by." Most fall somewhere much more in the middle.
>
> It sounds like that might be the case here. He's more in the middle now. He makes
> a decent living doing something that he admits is a "pretty sweet gig." Doesn't
> sound like he hates it.
>
> So, it very rarely comes down to being the extremes as you suggest. Very few people
> ever have to make the choice between rich-and-hate-it versus poor-but-love-it sorts
> of jobs.
>
> In this case, it sounds like it comes down to decent-living-doing-a-pretty-sweet-gig
> versus wondering-what-could-have-been-in-a-different-career. It's much more complex
> than doing-what-you-love versus doing-what-you-hate, IMO.
>
Oh I wasn't calling out any one here. I just know in my experience people always say don't follow your passion just work for somewhere else. Even if you hate it. It just comes down to it your okay with your position I guess.
John
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* 5-Sep-2017(#34)
six wrote:
> Oh I wasn't calling out any one here. I just know in my experience people always
> say don't follow your passion just work for somewhere else. Even if you hate it.

Do people always say that? I rarely hear anyone tell anyone else to "do work even if you hate it."

In fact, especially for the last decade or so, almost everyone has been "follow your passion!! Even if you'll be poor!"

> It just comes down to it your okay with your position I guess.

My point was just that it is rarely as simple as "do what you love and make almost nothing" or "do what you hate and make bank." It's almost always somewhere well in between -- which makes the decision on what to do much more complex than just "passion or rich?"
six
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5-Sep-2017(#35)
John wrote:
> six wrote:
>> Oh I wasn't calling out any one here. I just know in my experience people always
>> say don't follow your passion just work for somewhere else. Even if you hate it.
>
> Do people always say that? I rarely hear anyone tell anyone else to "do work even
> if you hate it."
>
> In fact, especially for the last decade or so, almost everyone has been "follow your
> passion!! Even if you'll be poor!"
>
>> It just comes down to it your okay with your position I guess.
>
> My point was just that it is rarely as simple as "do what you love and make almost
> nothing" or "do what you hate and make bank." It's almost always somewhere well
> in between -- which makes the decision on what to do much more complex than just
> "passion or rich?"
>
I'm really bad at explaining things, I wasn't saying that it's a common thing to choose between passion and money. There is a big In between, you could somewhat tolerate what you do or love it even if it's working for someone else. I guess the point I was trying to get too is that don't take the safest path if it's doing something you depise. You may have to sometimes but if you can find a way out take the risk. As for the first question there's people I know who say you shouldn't try and do your own thing just work for another business.
lpeters82
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5-Sep-2017(#36)
I agree with John, most people are somewhere in between. Even when you're doing something you love it's still work. It just becomes less enjoyable when you add in the stress of deadlines, dealing with clients, and dealing with the stress of actually providing for yourself (and family). I might still do some aspects of my job if I won the lottery, but I for sure wouldn't work full time. I might just volunteer on my terms.
dustin11
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5-Sep-2017(#37)
I guess I'm one of the rare cases that loves what they do for a living. My work is very low stress, I don't deal with clients, I get great benefits, and its easy work because I have a natural aptitude for what I do. Even on the weekends I will do the same thing I do for work but apply the skills for assisting with projects around my house. I also rarely ever take time off of work, so little that I'm sitting on 190 hours of unused vacation time and the company is going to force me to start taking time off work because I have acceded the maximum amount of PTO. I can't remember the last time I actually dreaded going into work.
Scott
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5-Sep-2017(#38)
I like my work, but I'd still rather be at home with my family any day.
MrBean
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5-Sep-2017(#39)
I think it's a per user scenario. I find many that either pick passion or money, yet there are definitely many in between. If we all picked passion, reality is it would typically be difficult to make ends meet (IMO).

I don't hate what I do, not at all. Just not passionate about it. Have done IT for the past 15 years and it's just... Not what it once was. I'd rather be playing games or studying to be a sommelier. Problem is, the money is too good where I am to change course.

Yet, I do hear from others that once you cross that boundary, your hobby/passion loses its appeal. It's like moving near the ocean and it loses its special place in your heart.

In summary, I think most in some form of IT end of feeling like Peter in Office Space.
MrBean
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5-Sep-2017(#40)
Side note, if the above was a disconnected blur, it's because I'm getting drunk in Hocking Hills, relaxing and trying to disconnect from work.
tonymack21
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5-Sep-2017(#41)
I'm not in IT but I think anyone who works for a corporate entitiy can feel like Peter. We have all wanted to go gangsta crap on that printer.. you know the one.

SirConnery
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6-Sep-2017(#42)
IT is my passion but corporate politics are not. This is why I run my own business. It's not making me super rich but just about everyone I know that went into corporate IT have major issues (overworked, underpaid, discrimination issues, some are in counseling, taken up drinking/smoking, etc.)
John
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6-Sep-2017(#43)
Indeed. Same here (do IT; co-own small business). My best friend from 2nd grade (except for my wife now) also went into IT. Worked at Nike and Intel. Got to the point where he is now taking 18 months off just to decide what he wants to do next in life -- because the corporate world wasn't his thing, I think. frown
Boss
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6-Sep-2017(#44)
I too started in IT. First it was Telecommunications as that was the future and then Computer Science. Alas it wasn't for me in the end and I am now in Marketing which I do really well and am happy with my career and work life balance. yes (I am currently a Senior Vice President).

I have a few side incomes as well which I do more as a hobby that provide me joy while also adding to my overall income.

I'd recommend doing the Video/Streams as a hobby and expand it if it grows to that point. With your income I don't think abandoning that cold turkey would be a good idea.
harper
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6-Sep-2017(#45)
SirConnery wrote:
> harper wrote:
>> luck with whatever the fudge is happening with you cause don't know and don't care.
>
> So you took the time to respond? Sounds like you really do care! smile
I'm so glad you're around to point out things to me that I don't have the pride to admit to myself! smile
MrBean
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* 18-Dec-2017(#46)
So, I'm so sick and tired of people telling me "you have the perfect radio/voice over voice" (I have a super deep voice). I truly think I could take it somewhere.

I signed up to voices.com to see where it goes. I think I need to make a demo of some sorts. What the hell should I target?

Also, I resumed college as of Dec 1st. WGU, pretty awesome so far. All online, go st your own pace, flat fee. Trying to keep both paths alive but ultimately, Fudge IT. Money is awesome but job satisfaction sucks.
ENIX
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18-Dec-2017(#47)
Do porn.
citizen_zane
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19-Dec-2017(#48)
MrBean wrote:
> I hate knowing that so much of my life will be blown working and on something I'm not overly passionate about.


I don't know why people make such a big deal about doing what they love. To be honest, I kinda find the concept to be a crock of crap. Most people in the world aren't in a position to do what they are passionate about. That's just how it's been for the vast majority of people for the entire history of mankind. I view work as something that I've gotta do. Just like I gotta eat, sleep, and crap. It's not who or what I am, but something that I've gotta do to get through this life. Don't get me wrong, I think it's wonderful that there are people who are fortunate enough to have a job that they find fulfilling. It just simply isn't the case for most of the world. When you think about it, it wouldn't be practical if everyone was able to achieve it.


> Yet, now that I have a son and we're already prepping for our second, it seems foolish to gamble with stability and consistency at this stage in life.


I feel you. I've been going back to school (I'm 2/3 of the way done), but may not actually use my degree (communications and marketing). It's more of a backup plan if I get let go or can no longer physically do the work that I do. I would actually have to take a pay cut if I quite my job to enter into the world of communications or marketing. My family has achieved a level of stability that I am not willing to risk at this time. Maybe I'll consider a career change in the future once my kids are all grown (currently 12 & 17), but for now, I'm gonna keep things how they are.

HybridCRoW
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19-Dec-2017(#49)
Spent 2-3 years working full-time temporary general laborer until I got my Associate degree in Pharmacy Practice, where I spent the next 7 years doing Data Entry Operator work. What really pains me is that I'm still technically making entry level wage and I've known people who've worked a full time job with benefits less years than I have w/o a degree and making more than I am.

I was out on my own for awhile until I started paying back on my student loans shortly after getting my Bachelor degree. I've learned the hard way I'm not going to make any more money where I am at, unless I want to go back to college another 4-6 years to get a PharmD and become a Pharmacist, but I don't want to do that. My bosses claim I can advance without doing that and that they have great plans for me, but they won't tell me what these plans are and lately it's just become bullcrap and loads of high school drama.

I have decided I'm going to get into cyber security. My cousin works in that field and he doesn't have a degree, so he's my resource along with the books I'm reading and free courses that I'm studying to get certifications, like CompTIA A+, Network +, and Secuirty +. Meanwhile, I've applied for 3 different positions at my current job just to get something else in hopes I'm not completely stuck where I am at while I work on getting the certifications and knowledge/skills I need to get into cyber security and hopefully get better pay as well.

It's never too late to do a career change. The key is to know how to do it in a shorter amount of time as well as less money to spend (or waste, but hopefully not waste).
tonymack21
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19-Dec-2017(#50)
whenever they "have great plans for you", its never true, my management has had great plans for me forever and just recently the job I have been promised for a long time, that ive been groomed for for the last 3 years, came open and instead of giving it to me they just had another manager assume the responsibilities because cutbacks.

dustin11
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* 19-Dec-2017(#51)
I don't have a degree and never spent a single day in college and I'm doing just fine for myself. My Father in-law didn't have a degree and only spent 1 semester in community college, which he almost flunked out of, and he worked hard and became the head engineer and 1/3 part owner of the 6th biggest mechanical contractor in the country. A degree isn't an automatic ticket to higher pay, it definitely helps, but if you're motivated and fast learner then you can do just fine without one.
tonymack21
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* 19-Dec-2017(#52)
I didnt finish and at near 36 I don't know it would be worth it, im busy right now with the kids and things and not sure I'd see a return where I am. by the time I accrued the student debt would it be worth it. its not like id have it paid off before 30 and then be ready to move onto that after student debt stage. im already at the best company in the area and moving isn't an option for various reasons. if I could go back id do it different and finish at 24ish and would have waited to get married but now I dunno.

dustin11
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19-Dec-2017(#53)
I looked at the college courses offered through schools in my area and all of them were a minimum of 2 years to get educated in the software I was going to use, so I decided to do it on my own since I knew I could do it faster than that. Within about 3-4 months I had an entry level job and took it from there. Good job and no student debt, I wouldn't have done it any other way.
MrBean
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19-Dec-2017(#54)
If you guys are at all debating college... Honestly, check out WGU (use me as a reference).

Competency based model. You can graduate in months instead of years. It's a legit modern school for today's working adults. No homework, go at your own pace, cheap/flat cost ($6k annually).

It's a badge of honor for me that I've made it this far without a degree. But if I'm going to take on a C level gig, now I need it. Still not sure if end game but planning appropriately.
Admiral
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19-Dec-2017(#55)
MrBean wrote:
> @John, agreed; however, getting rich vs living comfortably and/or supplemental income.
> I'd personally be quite content living comfortably playing games instead of working
> in IT. Hell, even to make a few extra bucks for a vacation would be fantastic.

But are these comfortably paying jobs REALLY the ones you dreamed about as a kid? Are you going to make a really good salary doing Twitch, if you're not one of the better/well paid ones?
John
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19-Dec-2017(#56)
I will say this -- as a person looking at this 20 years down the road from many of you...

I DID get to do what I loved for a job. I LOVED to write code. I always wanted to be a software developer. When I was in high school, I'd code my own BBS and other such things. When I was in college, I'd do programming classes for my major all day, then do my homework, and THEN I'd write code for fun after that into the night! Because I loved to write code.

I got a job straight out of college writing code. Loved it! Exactly what I wanted to be doing. Wrote code at work for work -- then went home and often wrote code for other things for fun.

Now, 20-25 years later (at age 44), I don't love it that way any more. And haven't for well over a decade, at least. It isn't the same as it was before. I write code for work and then I want to be done with it. I certainly don't write code for fun any more on a regular basis. Maybe to fix something up on a hobby I'm working on or something -- but we're talking like an hour or so and then that's it.

At this point, I work because that is how I get money for life. I'm happy in life. I have a wife that I love and we travel a lot. I'm frugal, but can afford to spend some of I want to. And going to work is what allows that to happen. And I'm fine with that. Over the years, my coding career has gradually morphed into an IT/consulting career -- and I'm fine with that too. To the point that I recently decided to switch to a new job that is officially IT/consulting support related. (I've already been doing that for a few years now -- but for a company that is supposed to be writing code -- so I'm switch over to a new place where we'll just do the IT/consulting stuff.)

TL;DR: What your passion is now might not be it later anyhow. Especially when you do it for work every day for decades. So, it might make sense to go for something that interests you -- but still realize that it is ok to do a job that you do because it is a means to an end. Don't do a job that you HATE -- but maybe don't only look at jobs that you think you'll absolutely LOVE either. They may not exist - or, they may exist but not be the same for you a little down the road.
Scott
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19-Dec-2017(#57)
citizen_zane wrote:
> MrBean wrote:
>> I hate knowing that so much of my life will be blown working and on something
> I'm not overly passionate about.
>
> I don't know why people make such a big deal about doing what they love. To be honest,
> I kinda find the concept to be a crock of crap. Most people in the world aren't
> in a position to do what they are passionate about. That's just how it's been for
> the vast majority of people for the entire history of mankind. I view work as something
> that I've gotta do. Just like I gotta eat, sleep, and crap. It's not who or what
> I am, but something that I've gotta do to get through this life. Don't get me wrong,
> I think it's wonderful that there are people who are fortunate enough to have a job
> that they find fulfilling. It just simply isn't the case for most of the world.
> When you think about it, it wouldn't be practical if everyone was able to achieve
> it.

Agree 100%. What makes it worse is when people will act like you're doing something wrong if you're NOT doing what you love for a living. It's great if it works out that way for some, but as you said, it's really not practical for that to be true for everyone.

Sam
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19-Dec-2017(#58)
just watch reality bites and decide what to do

tonymack21
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* 19-Dec-2017(#59)
I think the problem is too most people cant afford to "take the shot" at trying to do something they think they would love. I cant afford to drop my real job with good benefits and health insurance that allows me to take care of myself and my kids to try being a twitch streamer who plays games and talks to people for hours a day about it. or whatever else I could think of. I hate getting up and going to work but its not because I necessarily hate my job, id hate anything I felt like I "had" to do in the terms of "working for the man". work is definitely a means to an end. it keeps food on your table, your lights on and your water running, and if you are fortunate enough, there is enough of it left to do some of the things you want to do. those famous people always give that follow your dream speech and don't be afraid to fail, but most simply cant afford that.

I think older generations wrapped their profession more into who they were as a person than most of us do now. like if you said tell me about yourself one of the first things they would tell you is where they trade time for money. I would tell you lots of things before I got to that part, and I think a lot of other people now under 40-45 would do the same.

dustin11
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19-Dec-2017(#60)
I love my job and I rarely ever dread doing into work, but I always look forward to the weekend and never want Sunday to be over. I'm the same as Tonymack, I think I would feel this way about anything I did and that's just because I don't want to be told to be at a specific place, at a specific time, and for a specific amount of time. I wouldn't like playing video games if it were under those conditions either, and gaming is one of my favorite things to do in my off time.
citizen_zane
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19-Dec-2017(#61)
tonymack21 wrote:

> I think older generations wrapped their profession more into who they were as a person
> than most of us do now. like if you said tell me about yourself one of the first
> things they would tell you is where they trade time for money. I would tell you
> lots of things before I got to that part, and I think a lot of other people now under
> 40-45 would do the same.


That's always bothered me. Too many people identify themselves with their profession. Watch most game shows and when the contestant says a few things about themselves, nearly every single one of them shares how they make a living.
Is that who they are? I am not what I do. If I was, what would I be if/when I am no longer doing that job? Maybe that's why some people can't cope with retirement. They don't know who they are anymore.
tonymack21
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* 19-Dec-2017(#62)
Yes exactly. I have watched so many people especially older men from previous generations hold onto a job because they just wouldn't know what to do and we're afraid they would just die if they quit

But ya I don't "hate" my job ..but I don't love it..or even like it. I even like most of the people. Im always ready for the weekend and Sunday night ending is one of my least favorite moments of the week.

Dad always said life's a dog then you die so work that job but don't work your life away.. but he works long hours lol.

Admiral
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20-Dec-2017(#63)
citizen_zane wrote:
> tonymack21 wrote:
>
>> I think older generations wrapped their profession more into who they were as
> a person
>> than most of us do now. like if you said tell me about yourself one of the first
>> things they would tell you is where they trade time for money. I would tell you
>> lots of things before I got to that part, and I think a lot of other people now
> under
>> 40-45 would do the same.
>
>
> That's always bothered me. Too many people identify themselves with their profession.
> Watch most game shows and when the contestant says a few things about themselves,
> nearly every single one of them shares how they make a living.
> Is that who they are? I am not what I do. If I was, what would I be if/when I
> am no longer doing that job? Maybe that's why some people can't cope with retirement.
> They don't know who they are anymore.

SO true. Or, when you meet new people - it's always "so what do YOU do for a living?"

Fudge that. How about "what interests you as a person???" instead!!!

I think, as sad as it may be, most humans need to accept the reality that (in order to be happy when you are NOT working) - you are probably not going to love working. You just deal with it. It's the time NOT working that is important, so make money working to enjoy NOT working. That's what is important!!!

I work hard and take it seriously, but I never want my work to consume me. I enjoy what I do, but I'd prefer to NOT be doing it....I just can't afford that way of living. You need a special balance of time at work, money made, and free time to truly be happy.

If you work a job you LOVE, but make no money...you probably won't be as happy in your free time. If you work a long hours job you HATE, then you definitely won't be happy.

Work a reasonable amount of hours at a job you are ok with doing, making a decent amount of money, with a fair amount of free time - that's when you win.
darkslime
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* 20-Dec-2017(#64)
It's hard not to let your job define you when you spend the majority of your life doing it then the rest of your time consuming media abd have nothing to talk about

I don't plan to have a job again unless it's something I enjoy doing I can make more money off resale and make my own hours we don't live long enough to spend all day at a job
Boss
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20-Dec-2017(#65)
I like my career... and I guess it allows me to have a higher standard of living.

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darkslime
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20-Dec-2017(#66)
Fair enough. If you base a higher standard of living on the crap you can afford to buy. But i am still laying in bed at 10am and don't have anything pressing to do today except go to the post office at some point and to me that is a higher standard of living than waking up at 5 and driving through rush hour traffic even if I live in a dump and use a laptop from Windows Vista times
Osiris
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* 20-Dec-2017(#67)
All fine until the little life sucking minions show up!

ya, Admiral, what you working average per 52 week year, 30 hours per week enhancing young minds? Such a fudging deal!
Boss
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20-Dec-2017(#68)
darkslime wrote:
> Fair enough. If you base a higher standard of living on the crap you can afford to
> buy. But i am still laying in bed at 10am and don't have anything pressing to do
> today except go to the post office at some point and to me that is a higher standard
> of living than waking up at 5 and driving through rush hour traffic even if I live
> in a dump and use a laptop from Windows Vista times

I base it on:

o Owning a house in a safe neighborhood for me and my family
o Providing care for my aging parents so they can live comfortably
o Being able to afford copious amounts of entertainment (including videogames) as I want it
o Traveling the world and exploring what it has to offer (amazing experiences every time and I live in one of the most diverse cities)
o Having the free time to do things I enjoy (reading good books, games, web design / video editing)
o Being healthy and in shape by having access to workout equipment, gym membership and food choices that won't kill me

I'm happy. Have a good work life balance and am always determined to better myself and expand my knowledge.

At 10AM I have:
- Already went to the gym for 1 hour
- Ate breakfast and spent time with my wife
- Read my current book on my commute into work
- And sitting at my desk checking mail, browsing gameTZ and getting ready to start my day


Boss
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20-Dec-2017(#69)
To go back on topic, I actually started with the idea that I was going to school to learn how to program video games. I am a Computer Science major. In high school I did Telecommunications which was the equivalent to a BS Tel degree, and was certified (CCNA) to continue with this path but I felt it wasn't for me. This was before Tel because even larger but it's okay, my mentor at the time had his CCNP (2nd level) and was going for his CCIE (higher level) -- and I didn't see it for myself. I also went to Cisco to give them feedback on their programs and study material with my peers, it was good experience -- I could do the work but wasn't fulfilled by it. On my spare time I would design and code websites, this I truly enjoyed and I originally started out trying to build my own site to buy, sell and trade video games -- which I dropped after some wireframes after discovering a site called UGTZ. While selling was harder back then, I used the site for trading and sold games on Yahoo Auctions -- then ebay after but by then I wasn't as dedicated to this endeavor as I was focused more on growing my knowledge and thinking about my future.

Anyways, after college I had my degree but I didn't like programming as much. So I used my minor (Business -- which i took on because a lot of IT jobs were being moved overseas at the time so I wanted to diversify) to find a job that allowed me to use my web design / coding background. This is how I ended up in the Marketing Department. From here I found my true passion, being able to market products and influence the end user -- either by imagery, copy or compelling user journeys. Marketing continues to grow and expand, with new tools and technology as well as new geographic markets. I really enjoy it, and I can't see myself doing anything else. I'm still here in the Marketing Department, I am one of the leaders and I help drive the direction.

It was a long journey and I am happy. I grew up extremely poor and am always grateful for what I have and am able to accomplish as all it takes is a lot of hard work. yes
Admiral
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20-Dec-2017(#70)
Osiris wrote:
> All fine until the little life sucking minions show up!
>
> ya, Admiral, what you working average per 52 week year, 30 hours per week enhancing
> young minds? Such a fudging deal!

It's a great deal smile

But I also have a Master's Degree with 3 teaching certifications and won't ever make more than I am now. People with Master's degrees can make double, triple, or more of what I make.

My salary keeps me comfortable, don't get me wrong.....but the time off, HANDS DOWN, trumps the paycheck.
Scott
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20-Dec-2017(#71)
@Boss will you adopt me?

Admiral
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20-Dec-2017(#72)
darkslime wrote:

> I don't plan to have a job again unless it's something I enjoy doing I can make more
> money off resale and make my own hours we don't live long enough to spend all day
> at a job

So all of your income is from buying/reselling? Where do you get your inventory? You do this out of your house?
darkslime
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* 20-Dec-2017(#73)
Admiral wrote:
> darkslime wrote:
>
>> I don't plan to have a job again unless it's something I enjoy doing I can make
> more
>> money off resale and make my own hours we don't live long enough to spend all
> day
>> at a job
>
> So all of your income is from buying/reselling? Where do you get your inventory?
> You do this out of your house?
Yeah, mostly from auctions now, and out of my friends house who has more room he goes in with me on a lot of stuff. I'm not making a lot but I'm paying my bills and making enough to go out to bars or whatever, and trying to figure out how to upscale this. My bills are <$600 a month so its not that hard. I was making that much in high school just with video games but those aren't very profitable anymore so I have to flip less interesting things. When I was 14 I was in the right place at the right time and got into a private video game flipping group on CAG and they wanted to help out a kid and basically showed me how to do everything. And I'm 23 now so I've been doing this on and off for almost 10 years. There's a lot of avenues to flip stuff even if you're broke me and my old roommate would not usually pull less than $50 worth of stuff out of dumpsters and hundreds sometimes in a night last year when we got the routes down of where to go.

A decent resource if anyone wants to start doing this is /r/Flipping.
BJB
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20-Dec-2017(#74)
Disclaimer: I haven't read a single reply

That being said, I don't know if it's been mentioned but I saw you say you feel alcohol would help your stream but it would be frowned upon. Alcohol is actually not frowned upon on Twitch and people do drunk streams all the time. It's definitely more uncommon for dedicated gamers to partake in alcohol than it is for the IRL streamers, but people do still do it (mostly girls honestly). But yea just thought I'd clarify.

Admiral
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20-Dec-2017(#75)
darkslime wrote:
> Admiral wrote:
>> darkslime wrote:
>>
> |>> I don't plan to have a job again unless it's something I enjoy doing I can make
>> more
> |>> money off resale and make my own hours we don't live long enough to spend all
>> day
> |>> at a job
>>
>> So all of your income is from buying/reselling? Where do you get your inventory?
>> You do this out of your house?
> Yeah, mostly from auctions now, and out of my friends house who has more room he
> goes in with me on a lot of stuff. I'm not making a lot but I'm paying my bills and
> making enough to go out to bars or whatever, and trying to figure out how to upscale
> this. My bills are <$600 a month so its not that hard. I was making that much in
> high school just with video games but those aren't very profitable anymore so I have
> to flip less interesting things. When I was 14 I was in the right place at the right
> time and got into a private video game flipping group on CAG and they wanted to help
> out a kid and basically showed me how to do everything. And I'm 23 now so I've been
> doing this on and off for almost 10 years. There's a lot of avenues to flip stuff
> even if you're broke me and my old roommate would not usually pull less than $50
> worth of stuff out of dumpsters and hundreds sometimes in a night last year when
> we got the routes down of where to go.
>
> A decent resource if anyone wants to start doing this is /r/Flipping.


Ahhhhh, you're 23. No disrespect, but that kind of explains alot.

Do you feel you would want to do this forever? Do you feel this income will suffice as you get older? Will you always want the same things at 35 as you do now at 23?

I mean, I was fairly happy with my 1998 Chevy S10 pickup when I was 27. But I wanted a brand new Jeep instead. Then I wanted a BMW, then I wanted a newer BMW....

My values changed. In fact, I was ok living at home at 23 years old (you're doing better than I was!!!) because I just graduated college and didn't make much money. A few years later, that wasn't good enough anymore.

I hear high school kids all the time "I don't need to graduate and/or go to college - my Uncle pays me $10 an hour under the table!!!!!"
John
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20-Dec-2017(#76)
darkslime wrote:
> But i am still laying in bed at 10am and don't have anything pressing to do
> today except go to the post office at some point and to me that is a higher standard
> of living than waking up at 5 and driving through rush hour traffic even if I live
> in a dump and use a laptop from Windows Vista times

I think part of the "problem" here is that you seem to not see that there is a LOT of "in between" room there. You're seeing two extremes:

1. Guy who doesn't make much, but gets to sit in bed until 10am and just kinda dabbles in reselling stuff.

2. Guy who has a "higher standard of living", but has to get up at 5AM, drive through crazy traffic, lives in a dump, and has outdated crap.

I think those are some pretty weird extreme cases. There is a lot of room for a "happy medium" in there. A guy that gets up at a normal time, maybe has a reasonable commute of some sort, makes decent money so that they can do the other things they want to do and have the other things that they want to have, doesn't live in dump nor mansion, and, most importantly, doesn't have to use Vista.

If you don't realize that there is that middle ground, then of course you only see the path that you're already on as the only real option.
Osiris
300 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
20-Dec-2017(#77)
Jeezus, John, you saying theres something wrong with the 80 hour workweek? Im sure you've done your share, its the American dream!
SirConnery
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 1000 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Secret Santa
20-Dec-2017(#78)
I sleep in till 10am each day and run my own business.

That whole using Windows Vista bit is weird though.
dustin11
Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
* 20-Dec-2017(#79)
I can get to work any time between 5:30am and 10am and I chose 5:30 so I can beat traffic and get a jump start to my day. I'm a morning person and would be up at that time anyhow. Getting off work at 1:30pm is pretty sweet.
Dustin
GameTZ Subscriber 650 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
20-Dec-2017(#80)
Scraping by reselling things and sleeping till 10 is cool when you're young. Not real cool when you grow up and have a family you want to support.

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