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Topic   Upgraded from AMD to Intel

DiamondDave
GameTZ Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews
* 12-Feb-2018(#1)
Prices were too good to ignore, been piecing this together since I picked up my 1080 this Christmas. Went over to Frys this Saturday and picked up a board for the Coffee Lake 8600K I've been holding on to for a couple weeks now. Wanted to pick up the MSI Z370-A Pro but my Frys is a sack of fail (they're drowning in Ryzen boards and almost completely bereft of almost anything Intel other than z270 boards). Went with the SLI Pro instead, which was $30 more but it was in stock and I was impatient. Roommate kicked in for 16GB DDR4 when I surrendered my FX 8350, Mobo and 16GB DDR3 upon completing this. So we're currently rocking...

8th Gen Intel i5 8600K
16GB DDR4 (Corsair Somethin' or another)
GTX 1080

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It's safe to say the differences were dramatic. Went from Sub-20 FPS in CEMU to having to install a 30FPS limiter for Breath of the Wild. Still bogs down some in random spots but I'm assuming that's emulation and not throttling, because Hardware Monitor's highest temp reading ever has been like, 38 degrees.

Some notes:

1. System stability seems to be down in general over my last AMD build, which surprised me. I've had one BSOD in a day, so that may just be growing pains over the latest few Windows 10 patches, too much has changed lately to peg that to the Intel build yet. But World of Warcraft keeps crashing with memory-like ("Couldn't write X to Y") errors, but again, I cut 'n paste my last install from my HD to my external back to my internal instead of doing a full download/install so that could be to blame too. Could also be crapty, outdated addons.

2. Temps! Much much different. That FX 8350 idled at around 17-20 Celsius. This is around 25-30, and I haven't even looked into overclocking yet. On the other hand, under "load" (nothing I do puts this thing under load, not even CEMU, lol) it only climbs up to around 36-40 so it's not too bad at all. Could also just be a craptier air cooler. Everyone was pushing me to go with a Corsair water cooler on this build but I honestly don't see a need yet. Maybe if I get some thermal issues during Summer. For now, it's chilly.

About the most intense thing I do on this PC gaming wise, don't laugh, is raiding in WoW, which due to the game being old and poorly optimized can actually be super stressful and drag framerates down. You'd think a GTX 1080 and an FX 8350 would be able to handle a decade old MMO when stuff gets hairy but it would quite often slow to a chug. Much less so with this build, but surprisingly the frames still go down quite a bit. Just not enough to be jarring anymore, yet.

Disappointed that things seem to be breaking more often but again, so much has changed from Friday to Saturday it'd be difficult and bandwidth-intensive to properly diagnose. We'll see how it goes down the line. Really wanted to pick up the Gaming 7 --well, actually, I wanted the Aorus Gaming 3 Z370 board but it looks like the VRMs on everything but the Gaming 7 were ineffably hot and I didn't want to be taken hostage for $100 just to get a properly functioning VRM, so I flipped off Gigabyte and went MSI (and settled for a knock above what I actually wanted anyways). I may eventually pick up the Gaming 7 anyways, but this is a good starting point at least.

Now, Ryzen probably woulda done me good. But I'm a curious boy, and the Coffee Lake prices have been wildly below my expectations for the performance points, so I decided, screw it. So far, very impressed.
Demonis
Gold Good Trader
12-Feb-2018(#2)
I haven't used an AMD cpu since my Barton 2500 chip. That was a fantastic chip though. Went from that to a Core2 Duo, which was also great. Running a i7 2600K still.. been a beast since 2011. Only starting to show some age due to newer software.
RagingShadow07
Has Written 17 Reviews
* 12-Feb-2018(#3)
Congrats on the colossal upgrade!

Going from an FX chip to anything made in the last five years is an astonishing leap. In 2012 I went from an 8150 to an i7 3770k and my frame rates soared. The (newer) FX series are kind of a stain on amd's history and were never that good.

Also be careful of load temps if you overclock! Anything under 80c is fine but Intel uses really cheap thermal compound between the die and heat spreader, so it's a hot running chip.
DiamondDave
GameTZ Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews
12-Feb-2018(#4)
Yeah, I'm trying to keep it 70c or below, if the OC brings it hotter than that, I'm backing it down.

'Course, I'm not even at the point where I'm starting yet and in no rush either.
PlayYing
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader
13-Feb-2018(#5)
Having a local Fry's helps A LOT. What resolution are you running and at what refresh rate?

DiamondDave
GameTZ Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews
* 13-Feb-2018(#6)
It's a 1080p monitor but it's running 144hz. If I could find a good 2K monitor that runs 144hz at a decent price (IPS preferrably, GSYNC double-preferrably) I'd be doing that instead.

I love Fry's but honestly their stocking situation scares me most days. I should shoot the motherboard section for you sometime, it's a mess. And I bet you can guess how the graphics card section looks, but just in case you can't...

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Cyco2oo4
Triple Gold Good Trader
13-Feb-2018(#7)
Unfortunately "Gsync" and "decent price" don't go together. I was looking into buying a 4K monitor soon, but skimped out because if I am going to upgrade from my current monitor (ASUS VG248QE), I want it to have Gsync. Unfortunately the biggest drawback for me were the sizes. Most 4K monitors come in 27" and above. I sit 2 feet from my monitor, 24" is my maximum.

Also, I may be wrong, but I believe IPS panels are limited to around 75Hz, and their response times are using higher than you'll see on other monitors geared more towards gaming.
PlayYing
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader
13-Feb-2018(#8)
Cyco2oo4 wrote:
> Unfortunately "Gsync" and "decent price" don't go together. I was looking into buying
> a 4K monitor soon, but skimped out because if I am going to upgrade from my current
> monitor (ASUS VG248QE), I want it to have Gsync. Unfortunately the biggest drawback
> for me were the sizes. Most 4K monitors come in 27" and above. I sit 2 feet from
> my monitor, 24" is my maximum.
>
> Also, I may be wrong, but I believe IPS panels are limited to around 75Hz, and their
> response times are using higher than you'll see on other monitors geared more towards
> gaming.

I think Best Buy had a 27 in G sync Dell monitor for $400 I think. I'd jump on it but was going to see how my tax situation is going to be.

Maybe I can afford that one or NVidia's BFG Displays...
Cyco2oo4
Triple Gold Good Trader
13-Feb-2018(#9)
PlayYing wrote:
> Cyco2oo4 wrote:
>> Unfortunately "Gsync" and "decent price" don't go together. I was looking into
> buying
>> a 4K monitor soon, but skimped out because if I am going to upgrade from my current
>> monitor (ASUS VG248QE), I want it to have Gsync. Unfortunately the biggest drawback
>> for me were the sizes. Most 4K monitors come in 27" and above. I sit 2 feet from
>> my monitor, 24" is my maximum.
>>
>> Also, I may be wrong, but I believe IPS panels are limited to around 75Hz, and
> their
>> response times are using higher than you'll see on other monitors geared more
> towards
>> gaming.
>
> I think Best Buy had a 27 in G sync Dell monitor for $400 I think. I'd jump on it
> but was going to see how my tax situation is going to be.
>
> Maybe I can afford that one or NVidia's BFG Displays...

$400 is a good price for a 1080p Gsync. Cheapest I've heard of them being. $500+ is what I've always seen. I decided against the 4K monitor and instead am going to pick up a Vive after years of wanting one.
PlayYing
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader
13-Feb-2018(#10)
Cyco2oo4 wrote:
> PlayYing wrote:
>> Cyco2oo4 wrote:
> |>> Unfortunately "Gsync" and "decent price" don't go together. I was looking into
>> buying
> |>> a 4K monitor soon, but skimped out because if I am going to upgrade from my current
> |>> monitor (ASUS VG248QE), I want it to have Gsync. Unfortunately the biggest drawback
> |>> for me were the sizes. Most 4K monitors come in 27" and above. I sit 2 feet from
> |>> my monitor, 24" is my maximum.
> |>>
> |>> Also, I may be wrong, but I believe IPS panels are limited to around 75Hz, and
>> their
> |>> response times are using higher than you'll see on other monitors geared more
>> towards
> |>> gaming.
>>
>> I think Best Buy had a 27 in G sync Dell monitor for $400 I think. I'd jump on
> it
>> but was going to see how my tax situation is going to be.
>>
>> Maybe I can afford that one or NVidia's BFG Displays...
>
> $400 is a good price for a 1080p Gsync. Cheapest I've heard of them being. $500+
> is what I've always seen. I decided against the 4K monitor and instead am going to
> pick up a Vive after years of wanting one.

QHD but other than that looks amazing, 144hz , 27 in

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-27-led-qhd-gsync...
Cyco2oo4
Triple Gold Good Trader
13-Feb-2018(#11)
PlayYing wrote:
> Cyco2oo4 wrote:
>> PlayYing wrote:
> |>> Cyco2oo4 wrote:
>> |>> Unfortunately "Gsync" and "decent price" don't go together. I was looking
> into
> |>> buying
>> |>> a 4K monitor soon, but skimped out because if I am going to upgrade from my
> current
>> |>> monitor (ASUS VG248QE), I want it to have Gsync. Unfortunately the biggest
> drawback
>> |>> for me were the sizes. Most 4K monitors come in 27" and above. I sit 2 feet
> from
>> |>> my monitor, 24" is my maximum.
>> |>>
>> |>> Also, I may be wrong, but I believe IPS panels are limited to around 75Hz,
> and
> |>> their
>> |>> response times are using higher than you'll see on other monitors geared more
> |>> towards
>> |>> gaming.
> |>>
> |>> I think Best Buy had a 27 in G sync Dell monitor for $400 I think. I'd jump on
>> it
> |>> but was going to see how my tax situation is going to be.
> |>>
> |>> Maybe I can afford that one or NVidia's BFG Displays...
>>
>> $400 is a good price for a 1080p Gsync. Cheapest I've heard of them being. $500+
>> is what I've always seen. I decided against the 4K monitor and instead am going
> to
>> pick up a Vive after years of wanting one.
>
> QHD but other than that looks amazing, 144hz , 27 in
>

Dang, that's impressive for that price. If I didn't already make my decision on the Vive I would probably be headed to Best Buy right now to see if they had that in stock.
DiamondDave
GameTZ Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews
* 13-Feb-2018(#12)
PlayYing wrote:
> Cyco2oo4 wrote:
>> Unfortunately "Gsync" and "decent price" don't go together. I was looking into
> buying
>> a 4K monitor soon, but skimped out because if I am going to upgrade from my current
>> monitor (ASUS VG248QE), I want it to have Gsync. Unfortunately the biggest drawback
>> for me were the sizes. Most 4K monitors come in 27" and above. I sit 2 feet from
>> my monitor, 24" is my maximum.
>>
>> Also, I may be wrong, but I believe IPS panels are limited to around 75Hz, and
> their
>> response times are using higher than you'll see on other monitors geared more
> towards
>> gaming.
>
> I think Best Buy had a 27 in G sync Dell monitor for $400 I think.

144hz 2K, I'd jump on that. That's the price range I'm looking at.

(clicks link) Oooh! Looks like I need to come up with $400! I could probably sell the 144hz monitor I'm using right now to get some of the cost.
RagingShadow07
Has Written 17 Reviews
13-Feb-2018(#13)
PlayYing wrote:
> Cyco2oo4 wrote:
>> Unfortunately "Gsync" and "decent price" don't go together. I was looking into
> buying
>> a 4K monitor soon, but skimped out because if I am going to upgrade from my current
>> monitor (ASUS VG248QE), I want it to have Gsync. Unfortunately the biggest drawback
>> for me were the sizes. Most 4K monitors come in 27" and above. I sit 2 feet from
>> my monitor, 24" is my maximum.
>>
>> Also, I may be wrong, but I believe IPS panels are limited to around 75Hz, and
> their
>> response times are using higher than you'll see on other monitors geared more
> towards
>> gaming.
>
> I think Best Buy had a 27 in G sync Dell monitor for $400 I think. I'd jump on it
> but was going to see how my tax situation is going to be.
>
> Maybe I can afford that one or NVidia's BFG Displays...

S2716DG. Both I and my girlfriend own that monitor and love it. Panel is excellent quality for a TN panel, and it's 1440p.
DiamondDave
GameTZ Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews
* 19-Feb-2018(#14)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xw9fr6

So this is essentially my build. Memory might be slower but it's Corsair Vengeance. Case wasn't on PCPP for some reason, but it's a Raidmax Alpha Prime with the RGB LED fans removed because 2/3 of them fudging failed/rattled a month in, replaced them and the exhaust 120mm with magnetic Corsair fans, which at $63 for 4 fans were an awful fudging nice step up, absolutely silent at 900RPM. Makes me want to find a quiet air cooler for the CPU to be honest, so I wouldn't even know if it's on, but that'd be getting extravagant since I always wear my Siberia 800s whenever I'm using it anyways.

About the only things I would consider at this point would be either to pick up a nice 100hz 27 inch 1440p monitor, or to actually downgrade the video card since I'm really not gaming hard enough to justify it. For giggles I threw my roommate's GTX 1050 Ti into my rig and it honestly played Breath of the Wild and World of Warcraft identically to the 1080, absolutely identically. Now if I were playing GTA5 and Witcher 3 (or any other modern title), or were playing in 4K, that would absolutely change everything, but honestly this was pretty sobering, showing me that the CPU was really the greatest bottleneck on my PC before I switched over. I think the 970 still had plenty of play left in it, looking back. But the 8350, while it was usable, was really holding everything back to an exceptional degree.

I imagine a cheaper Ryzen would have given me a very similar story. But we're balls deep into Intel at this point, no turning back.

Oh, I tried using the integrated graphics on WoW, and it was absolutely unplayable at 1080p on low settings. Horrendous.
proudtobelatino
Quadruple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
23-Feb-2018(#15)
Grats on the upgrade, Man you got me wanting to play Breath of the Wild lol i been waiting cemu to get better.
DiamondDave
GameTZ Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews
23-Feb-2018(#16)
It's pretty solid! You still have stutters when new shaders are being loaded in but it's ...MOSTLY smooth other than that. Still have some weird random slowdowns where the frames dip to like, half, but honestly that could be the "30fps" pack I'm using. Problem is I can't run unlimited because it goes WAY too fast.

Topic   Upgraded from AMD to Intel