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Topic   Kids and Politics

ninesalone
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13-Feb-2018(#1)
I have 2 daughters, 7 and 9. While my youngest could care less about politics, my oldest is starting to get interested. I listen to a lot of podcasts/shows while working around the house. Not too long ago, she would ask me why I listen to "boring" shows. Now she will pick up a sentence or two from a show I watch or listen to and ask me about what it means. I try my best to explain it to her without injecting my bias, but that can be difficult.

The other day she came home from school and told me a friend of hers on the playground said the president doesn't like brown people. Obviously others aren't worried about pushing their bias onto their kids. It's hard to get away from the topic more than ever and I want her to understand the issues, not just agree with me on everything because I'm her father.

I'm curious if any of you with kids have political conversations with them. What approx age do you think they can grasp political issues? Do you go out of your way to not inject your bias?
MikeyWhoa
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13-Feb-2018(#2)
Good topic.

I too have two young daughters. My youngest (9) has very little interest. She makes fun of politicians sometimes, like Obama (Thanks Obama) and Trump (She called him Presidumb once and now continues to run it into the ground). But when it comes to actual issues, she has almost no interest.

My oldest (13) has become fairly aware of Trump. She has a very negative opinion of him. And while it may be hard for some to believe, she arrived there on her own through her own personal experiences with Trump supporters. Mostly family, but some of her friends also. I've shared some of the stories in other threads.

I personally believe that if my children come to me curious about something, then they are mature enough to at least have us begin to explain and converse about more difficult subjects. I don't think a specific age has much to do with it. My oldest is pretty mature and independent for her age. My youngest is not. She's definitely a Toys-R-Us kid. Doesn't want to grow up.

As far as biases go, I'd be lying if I said I don't share them. I think I do a good job of explaining that it's how I feel, and how and why my view is different then say Mommy's or Grandma's. Mainly stressing how to use her own experiences to figure things out for herself, and that I'm there to fill in blanks when I can.

This comes in religious forms too. More often than politics actually. My youngest still goes to a lot of church functions (Occasional Sunday School, VBS, etc) despite my lack of religious beliefs. When she comes back, I don't start stating how God doesn't exist, or the Bible is false. (I don't necessarily feel that way) I just listen to what she's learned, and allow her to come to her own conclusions just like I did.

If they have specific questions, I answer them as best I can. And the biggest thing I've learned is to not talk down to them. Just speak to them like a human being. They're smarter then we give them credit for. But I prefer to wait for them to come forward with their curiosity like you daughter did. If you force them to listen when they're not curious, it gets much harder to keep their attention, and for them to fully grasp it.
yankees7448
Bronze Good Trader
14-Feb-2018(#3)
This is an interesting topic. I don't have any kids of my own because I think being an Uncle is the best job in the world. All the fun and then the kids go back home with their parents once I start to get tired of them lol.

In any case, the one thing that stood out to me about my experience with them is that my nephew Jack was happy when Trump won. Not because at 4 he had some deep understanding of politics but because he thought the man should win.
Karaiya
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14-Feb-2018(#4)
I'm pretty open about my political and ideological views with my children. Nines you and I have different views but don't worry so much about injecting bias. Children will still figure the world out on their own. As they get older they will have the world pulling and pushing them in ideological directions. Plant seeds while you can.

Get to your kids before we do! Lol
lpeters82
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14-Feb-2018(#5)
Karaiya wrote:
> I'm pretty open about my political and ideological views with my children. Nines
> you and I have different views but don't worry so much about injecting bias. Children
> will still figure the world out on their own. As they get older they will have the
> world pulling and pushing them in ideological directions. Plant seeds while you
> can.
>
> Get to your kids before we do! Lol

I haven't given it a ton of though, but I think I agree more with this viewpoint. Politics and religion are often an extension of values, so it's pretty natural to pass those down to your kids. In general, I do try not to overly simplify things by saying "that's wrong" or "that's stupid". I try to talk about the why.
Scots
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14-Feb-2018(#6)
My older girl is 3, and I've already begun to lay heavy groundwork that Trump is the good guy and the liberals and fake news media is the bad guy.
MikeyWhoa
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14-Feb-2018(#7)
That's really gonna put a damper on the gay and socialist agenda pamphlets that I sent.
Missile
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* 14-Feb-2018(#8)
Or the pamphlets i sent explaining how real communism hasn't been tried yet.
longhornsk57
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15-Feb-2018(#9)
yankees7448 wrote:
> In any case, the one thing that stood out to me about my experience with them is
> that my nephew Jack was happy when Trump won. Not because at 4 he had some deep understanding
> of politics but because he thought the man should win.

So he's basically a bizarro Democrat, who all wanted "the woman" to win even tho she was a criminal and helped cover up rape and women mistreatment.

Sounds like he's in the right family.
yankees7448
Bronze Good Trader
* 15-Feb-2018(#10)
longhornsk57 wrote:
> yankees7448 wrote:
>> In any case, the one thing that stood out to me about my experience with them
> is
>> that my nephew Jack was happy when Trump won. Not because at 4 he had some deep
> understanding
>> of politics but because he thought the man should win.
>
> So he's basically a bizarro Democrat, who all wanted "the woman" to win even tho
> she was a criminal and helped cover up rape and women mistreatment.
>
> Sounds like he's in the right family.

Wow. You're accusing a proud Bernie supporter who wrote his own name in when voting for President of wanting Hillary to win just because she was a woman.
longhornsk57
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15-Feb-2018(#11)
yankees7448 wrote:
> longhornsk57 wrote:
>> yankees7448 wrote:
> |>> In any case, the one thing that stood out to me about my experience with them
>> is
> |>> that my nephew Jack was happy when Trump won. Not because at 4 he had some deep
>> understanding
> |>> of politics but because he thought the man should win.
>>
>> So he's basically a bizarro Democrat, who all wanted "the woman" to win even tho
>> she was a criminal and helped cover up rape and women mistreatment.
>>
>> Sounds like he's in the right family.
>
> Wow. You're accusing a proud Bernie supporter who wrote his own name in when voting
> for President of wanting Hillary to win just because she was a woman.

No, I'm talking about all those zombie clone liberals who voted for her because she's a woman. If you hate her for setting up and railroading your guy I respect that. Gotta give credit where due. At least we agree she's a worthless criminal piece of crap, whatever sex (or gender is the cool word these days) she happens to be, or chooses to be.

If this 4 year old wanted Donnie boy to win because he's a man it's not really a sign of anything other than he's a 4 year old. Talk to him once he's 18 and let's see now retarded he is. Remember when all those kids were singing praises to Obama like he was some god sent down to save us all? Kids are easy to manipulate unfortunately, but they also come up with stupid crap on their own sometimes.
DiamondDave
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15-Feb-2018(#12)
ninesalone wrote:
> The other day she came home from school and told me a friend of hers on the playground
> said the president doesn't like brown people.

Jesus.

It's actually pretty cool that she's getting interested in complex topics, smart kid. Good job. smile
ninesalone
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15-Feb-2018(#13)
MikeyWhoa wrote:

>My oldest
> is pretty mature and independent for her age. My youngest is not. She's definitely
> a Toys-R-Us kid. Doesn't want to grow up.

Yes, same here.

> As far as biases go, I'd be lying if I said I don't share them.

I'd feel like I was being dishonest with my daughter if I didn't share my view on a given topic. Like others stated or agreed with, a lot of politics extends from your values. A good example would be my wife and I's view on abortion. An extreme example would be if your kid asks you about racism. You wouldn't present some neo-nazi ideology to introduce nuance where you don't believe there is any.


> This comes in religious forms too. More often than politics actually. My youngest
> still goes to a lot of church functions (Occasional Sunday School, VBS, etc) despite
> my lack of religious beliefs. When she comes back, I don't start stating how God
> doesn't exist, or the Bible is false. (I don't necessarily feel that way) I just
> listen to what she's learned, and allow her to come to her own conclusions just like
> I did.

My children haven't really attended any churches in their life. I'm banking on that curiosity coming up later at an age where they can better process it. I have no desire to keep it from them now, but I used to. When they were much, much younger they had an opportunity to go to VBS with friends and we turned it down.

> And the biggest thing
> I've learned is to not talk down to them. Just speak to them like a human being.
> They're smarter then we give them credit for.

This is so true and very important.
DiamondDave
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* 15-Feb-2018(#14)
ninesalone wrote:
> When they were much, much younger they had
> an opportunity to go to VBS with friends and we turned it down.

They do a good job of making VBS look awful enticing to kids! I think you made a good call there. I would have preferred being introduced into the Church in my high school years instead of my elementary years, where I felt compelled to make my mother happy by getting baptized and confirmed into the Church.
ninesalone
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* 15-Feb-2018(#15)
DiamondDave wrote:

> They do a good job of making VBS look awful enticing to kids!

Yeah, you're not kidding. The way my friends daughter was talking about it made it sound like Disneyland. Of course she was very excited and told my daughters, who were not happy to learn that they couldn't go play on bouncy houses and enjoy pie and punch all weekend. At that point we were butt-holes if we didn't plan something alternative that was fun.

I also wish Christianity was presented later in my life. It was pushed on me heavily as a child and that made me resent not only Christianity, but Christians. The Christians I'm friends with today are nothing like the one's around when I was really young. That may be what @MikeyWhoa 's daughter is running into as well with the obnoxious Trump supporters. She's going off of her own experiences right now and if all she has to go on is negative crap, that's what Trump represents.
MikeyWhoa
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15-Feb-2018(#16)
It's my job to prepare my children for life as an independent adult. That's why even as a non-religious person, I'm inclined to take them to church on Easter or Christmas events. And allow them to attend a few church functions here and there.

I believe it is socially beneficial. America is heavy in Christian Dogma, and I believe they should be prepared for it when they're on their own. Even if the dogmatic practices are untrue. I trust that I'm raising smart enough girls to see through the bullcrap, while still being able to compete in a mostly Christian environment.
Karaiya
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15-Feb-2018(#17)
Id let my kids experience religion. I do have concerns. But I agree children should be able to develop their beliefs systems with the world. However, my concerns lay in what the Church teaches that are against my ideological views. However, kids are much smarter than one thinks. They are able to make sense of and accept more than we often give them credit for.
NightwishX
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* 15-Feb-2018(#18)
Too much bias in everything they watch and learn, including cartoons. Very sad. I inject my personal beliefs. Only way to give them both sides. They are 5 and 7.
Missile
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15-Feb-2018(#19)
I take it you don't let them watch Steven Universe then?
Feeb
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15-Feb-2018(#20)
I'm very anti-religion but I understand it's part of being human. If my daughter asks I'll teach her everything I can from every angle I know. Politically- politicians are sociopaths with too much money and self preservation in mind- then she can decide.

Proselytizing parents really light me up. We will fight. My daughter needs to decide for herself.
NightwishX
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15-Feb-2018(#21)
Missile wrote:
> I take it you don't let them watch Steven Universe then?

I've never heard of it, but from a quick read it appears to be pretty blatant and I doubt I would subject them to it.
Missile
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* 15-Feb-2018(#22)
NightwishX wrote:
> Missile wrote:
>> I take it you don't let them watch Steven Universe then?
>
> I've never heard of it, but from a quick read it appears to be pretty blatant and
> I doubt I would subject them to it.
Pretty much, unless of course you want your kids to learn about things like rape.
yankees7448
Bronze Good Trader
15-Feb-2018(#23)
longhornsk57 wrote:
> yankees7448 wrote:
>> longhornsk57 wrote:
> |>> yankees7448 wrote:
>> |>> In any case, the one thing that stood out to me about my experience with them
> |>> is
>> |>> that my nephew Jack was happy when Trump won. Not because at 4 he had some
> deep
> |>> understanding
>> |>> of politics but because he thought the man should win.
> |>>
> |>> So he's basically a bizarro Democrat, who all wanted "the woman" to win even
> tho
> |>> she was a criminal and helped cover up rape and women mistreatment.
> |>>
> |>> Sounds like he's in the right family.
>>
>> Wow. You're accusing a proud Bernie supporter who wrote his own name in when voting
>> for President of wanting Hillary to win just because she was a woman.
>
> No, I'm talking about all those zombie clone liberals who voted for her because she's
> a woman. If you hate her for setting up and railroading your guy I respect that.
> Gotta give credit where due. At least we agree she's a worthless criminal piece
> of crap, whatever sex (or gender is the cool word these days) she happens to be,
> or chooses to be.


There certainly were way too many people who felt like it was just time for a woman President and that it was Hillary's turn. A-holes. Those fudgeers and the DNC got us stuck with Trump.

longhornsk57
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16-Feb-2018(#24)
yankees7448 wrote:

> There certainly were way too many people who felt like it was just time for a woman
> President and that it was Hillary's turn. A-holes. Those fudgeers and the DNC got
> us stuck with Trump.
>
No doubt, guess I should be thankful.. Hope those same idiots show up on 2020
Kblazer883
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16-Feb-2018(#25)
I don't understand the consternation with liberals about their kids learning politics.

All they need to do is keep their kids in public schools and make sure they go to a publicly funded college in the US.

The liberal indoctrination is strrrronngggg with them!
Feeb
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16-Feb-2018(#26)
All the liberal arts...
Osiris

* 16-Feb-2018(#27)
Yes Feeb, all those leftist/commie/liberal Bulldogs are proof that private U's hold the patent on real conservatism, rather than collectivism! A mere $260k + for undergrad will put you on the "right" side, doncha think?
Feeb
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16-Feb-2018(#28)
Hey, we had a few artsy types.
ninesalone
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5-Dec(#29)
Last Sunday my oldest (10) attended church for the 1st time. Her friend from school wanted her to come along. They gifted her a bible and told her "today is the day you are saved."

Kind of glad we let her go. I gave her a skeptic Bible I got in a trade from @Feeb. She's asking a lot of questions about religion and I think if we let her go any younger she would have just absorbed it, the fun they have there (candy and games!) and not much else.

Those of you that aren't religious.. would you let your child attend church with their friends? Any kind of church?

dunno001
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5-Dec(#30)
While I personally am atheist, if I had a kid that wanted to go with friend(s), I'd still let them. In the end, they should make up their own mind what they believe.

ninesalone
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* 5-Dec(#31)
dunno001 wrote:
> While I personally am atheist, if I had a kid that wanted to go with friend(s), I'd
> still let them. In the end, they should make up their own mind what they believe.

I mostly agree with this. Our worries were about the right age/maturity to process it. I think telling little kids, that don't understand much of anything yet, about heaven/hell and omnipresence is a bit much. I want her to make up her own mind for sure. I just wanted her to have better tools for doing that.

How far would you go with this though? ANY church? One that is openly talking about all the gays burning? Mormon? Westboro? Not all churches are alike. We looked into it first before letting her go and talked with my daughter's friends parents a lot.


dracula
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5-Dec(#32)
If it's just their youth group activities, sure go ahead. They have bowling night and whatnot. A lot of the time growing up I went to various youth groups, not because I was interested in religion, but a lot of the time some of the groups had hot girls.
dunno001
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5-Dec(#33)
ninesalone wrote:
> How far would you go with this though? ANY church? One that is openly talking about
> all the gays burning? Mormon? Westboro? Not all churches are alike. We looked into
> it first before letting her go and talked with my daughter's friends parents a lot.

Well, since I'm also gay, I'm not having kids. And, I know I don't have the patience for young kids. (Driving a school bus taught me that.) So I'd have to go the adoption route with someone a little older, and they would already know my living conditions, so I think any church of that first persuasion would repulse them. As for the others, I personally cringe at the thought, but if they want to see how they try to spin the world, so be it.

Finn
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6-Dec(#34)
I am agnostic, my wife is Catholic. She rarely attends church but does sing every Christmas and Easter. Her family are church goers and you could say are pretty religious. I am ok with our kids getting baptized, I don't want to cause any rifts. When the time comes I will allow our children to goto church, I will not stand in the way. We will raise our children to make up there minds. If they want to practice religion fine, the want to worship the flying spaghetti monster, I will support it... If they go agnostic it's there choice. Though I would rather them not go down the atheist path it's there choice. Personally I believe in something, I just feel that current religions have it wrong, I personally don't like religion and the corruption it breeds.






MikeyWhoa
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6-Dec(#35)
ninesalone wrote:
> Last Sunday my oldest (10) attended church for the 1st time. Her friend from school
> wanted her to come along. They gifted her a bible and told her "today is the day
> you are saved."
>
> Kind of glad we let her go. I gave her a skeptic Bible I got in a trade from @Feeb.
> She's asking a lot of questions about religion and I think if we let her go any younger
> she would have just absorbed it, the fun they have there (candy and games!) and not
> much else.
>
> Those of you that aren't religious.. would you let your child attend church with
> their friends? Any kind of church?
>
>


Good on you raising a curious kid.

I think it's imperative, even as a non-religious person, to make sure my kids have at least a basic understanding of the Christian Faith. American culture is so entrenched in Christian dogma that I think it's a disservice to deny them that knowledge.

We have sent them to VBS, and we attended church on holidays to give them an understanding of the meaning as to why people celebrate, or at least what they pretend to in some cases. We don't belong to any church specifically. But when invited to say a Trunk-or-Treat, or Christmas meal, we will send the kids off, and my wife and/or I will try to find a way to volunteer. Sometimes, the kids decide to forgo the fun, and just help out.

It's also the best way to connect them with the community, and show them ways to give back and donate their time at various food/coat drives, or helping the less fortunate. Especially kids their own age.

We are not the shun Jesus types. I'm actually a fan, for lack of a better term. But we are sure to discuss with them when they have questions. Neither of them have shown much interest honestly. It's the extremist, Ken Ham, gays are bad, and you're going to burn in Hell forever types that have turned them off the most I believe. They haven't needed my help to be skeptical, though I'm sure my POV has influenced in some way.
Karaiya
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6-Dec(#36)
My kids dont believe in God. They actually have a aversion to religion. I dont like it and I didnt teach them this but if they did I think it would be harmful to rob them of spirituality. I do try to introduce them to it. I think their mom is the anti-religious person. I'd like them to have an idea of the community that can be built within spirituality and connection to the world around them. Apparently Twitch and Fortnite is doing that for them just fine🙄

I also try not to push my leftist views on them. They have questions and I answer why I align the way I do and what my values are and why others feel differently. But beside the core values that I think all of this in this group share I figure it is more beneficial letting kids decide for themselves by setting an example instead of pushing ideology and religion on them.

My kids have a pretty keen perspective about the world around them and the media they consume. I dont censor any of it. I observe them in it and if I have to intervene I will. But they aren't that far from dad and mom that I worry about them running with bad information.

I think it's more important they just have fun being kids and connecting with other kids.

Topic   Kids and Politics