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MikeyWhoa
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23-Feb-2017(#1)
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One thing that I think that we might all agree with is that the news doesn't stop talking about Trump. Causing a lot of under-the-radar news stories to go underreported. It's sometimes hard for people to see or find information.

This thread is dedicated to sharing news stories or information that you think deserves more attention. Left or Right. Happy or Sad. Reporting or Opinion. All I ask is that you provide links so others can read or watch for themselves.

'Alternative' Education: Using Charter Schools to Hide Dropouts and Game the System from ProPublica.

6 Surprising Things You Learn In The Alt-Right Media Bubble from Cracked (Not a news org, but interesting still).


Feeb
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1-Feb-2018(#2)
Yanks, you wouldn't take a "free" border wall?
yankees7448
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1-Feb-2018(#3)
Feeb wrote:
> Yanks, you wouldn't take a "free" border wall?

I would. If Mexico was down for paying for it I am not going to stand in their way. But we are and that's a problem especially considering the massive tax cuts for the rich and all the spending Republicans want (the wall and other border security upgrades, increased defense spending, Trump's infrastructure plan etc.) are likely to cause Republican'ts to gut medicare/medicaid, social security, food stamps and other programs that help the poor and elderly in the name of fiscal discipline.
Feeb
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1-Feb-2018(#4)
Just a hypothetical.
Osiris
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* 1-Feb-2018(#5)
i dont think republicans can live with more than $3t tax reform/infrastructure/military addition to the deficit, so Ryan and others will have a quid pro quo to examine entitlements

trump himself has already discounted contiguous physical wall, citing fencing, drones and more staff in many areas. Plus
landowners there are resistant and will be pushing for exorbitant eminent domain payments, so a lot to be determined.

Mnuchin asked Congress to immediately raise the debt ceiling, federal cash reserves very inadequate. Increasing inflationary pressure with
deficits, full employment generating higher wages, and overall borrowing/debt service.
yankees7448
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1-Feb-2018(#6)
Osiris wrote:
> i dont think republicans can live with more than $3t tax reform/infrastructure/military
> addition to the deficit, so Ryan and others will have a quid pro quo to examine entitlements
>

And that's my big problem with the wall and the tax cuts. The Wall is expensive but not nearly enough to do the job and the tax cuts have blown a whole in our budget and won't generate nearly enough revenue to pay for themselves. This was all a scheme to go after entitlements.
MikeyWhoa
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1-Feb-2018(#7)
What about the northern border?

Does this wall just cover the south?

No concern with immigrants from the north? If not, then why?

If Mexico isn't paying, then I'm not paying. That's not what Trump promised. Let the Conservatives donate their extra tax dollars and time if they want it so bad. Get to building boys.
Karaiya
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1-Feb-2018(#8)
There is a major heroine epidemic Canada Vancouver especially. We need to keep the French Canadians out. Sorry @finn
Finn
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* 1-Feb-2018(#9)
Well, we need to keep the tinfoil hat wearing Republicans out also... So I would be up for a wall. Also Trump does not like to walk look at him! So a wall would keep him out also, so now I am double down.




yankees7448
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1-Feb-2018(#10)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> If Mexico isn't paying, then I'm not paying. That's not what Trump promised. Let
> the Conservatives donate their extra tax dollars and time if they want it so bad.
> Get to building boys.

Damned straight.
Feeb
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2-Feb-2018(#11)
"Individuals who wish to dismiss Madison's contention that we own arms for the purposes of repelling tyranny often suggest that Madison's position is not realistic; that our standing army is too great to be withstood by average Americans. But those who say such things fail to understand how many average Americans own guns, and because of this, how deep the militia roster reaches."

Interesting when 250 year old thinking meets 21st century technology. Please don't aim your guns at war planes!

http://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2018/02/01/...
Osiris
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2-Feb-2018(#12)
I am all in favor of "a well-regulated militia"! Let's do that.
Feeb
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2-Feb-2018(#13)
I love how it's always framed as "failure to understand" something that is clearly being understated or simply misunderstood by the writer himself.
Karaiya
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2-Feb-2018(#14)
These militias severely overestimate their ability and are disillusioned by false patriotism. The government began their stranglehold along time ago. Did you guys watch Ferguson? We have been a military/police state for a long time. Regardless how many American people have guns or how strong militias think they are there is a reason they stay confined to the woods.

With that said, regardless of how powerful the government are how overwhelming their tech is. You might as well go down fighting.
Osiris
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2-Feb-2018(#15)
most interested in records, testing and training for citizens in those well regulated orgs
Karaiya
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2-Feb-2018(#16)
In news that would be front page if not for all this Russia/Trump stuff. Ben Carson looks like he is some hot water for taking advantage of his position at HUD for his families financial gain.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.co...

Dustin
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2-Feb-2018(#17)
That sucks. I like Carson. Looks like a pretty big reach there, but what isn't these days.
Feeb
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* 3-Feb-2018(#18)
Just heard this Christian Picciolini, ex neo Nazi dude, talk on NPR. He said a lot of stuff I had no idea was fact. Did some research and turns out he's got a good perspective. It was a good listen.


https://www.npr.org/2018/01/18/578745514/a-former-...

This one. Lol.


https://www.theroot.com/white-supremacists-killed-...

This dude is a ranter. He has a digital magazine called NegusWhoRead. Not supposed to be comedy.
Finn
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5-Feb-2018(#19)
Whats driving this Stock market down? Down around 1700 points in two days? Just a correction?





Osiris
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5-Feb-2018(#20)
Yellin left fed reserve possibly forcasting higher interest rates, tight labor market should cause wage increases that may add to
inflation, some folks and institutions taking profits ( holiday bills?, pension funds?), some other indicators of likely interest rate increases, which diverts money from stocks. I dont think the memo had any effect, but market sometimes reacts to unexpected chit.

plus market a little too hot for a long time
MikeyWhoa
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5-Feb-2018(#21)
Finn wrote:
> Whats driving this Stock market down? Down around 1700 points in two days? Just a
> correction?
>


Obama, Hillary, The Clinton Foundation, The Swamp, The Deep State, and several other non-Conservative people/groups.
Dustin
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5-Feb-2018(#22)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Finn wrote:
>> Whats driving this Stock market down? Down around 1700 points in two days? Just
> a
>> correction?
>>
>
>
> Obama, Hillary, The Clinton Foundation, The Swamp, The Deep State, and several other
> non-Conservative people/groups.

Bout time we agree on something.
Feeb
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5-Feb-2018(#24)
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/...


"The reason our stock market is so successful is because of me," Trump said in November. "I've always been great with money, I've always been great with jobs, that's what I do. And I've done it well, I've done it really well, much better than people understand and they understand I've done well."
Karaiya
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* 5-Feb-2018(#25)
It happens. The Trump administration, any administration, taking credit for a record highs is a gamble. In the sense that just like playing the market putting your administrations effectiveness on it means you take the heat for whem it does poorly.

Im not a stock genius but we were looking pretty good is there a reason a 1700 point drop is considered catastrophic?
Osiris
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* 5-Feb-2018(#26)
not a catastrophe unless smaller investors get squirrelly, but significant given market performance over the last 28 months or so.
most money folks been expecting an 8-10 % drop for a while because of some artificial feel good bounces. like dipchit overdoing expectations,
Finn
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6-Feb-2018(#27)

I wonder if Trump will take credit for the record single day point loss? He takes credit for every thing we so seems fair.



yankees7448
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6-Feb-2018(#28)
Finn wrote:
>
> I wonder if Trump will take credit for the record single day point loss? He takes
> credit for every thing we so seems fair.
>
>
>
>

Sean Hannity is already blaming Obama for the big stock market drop so that's what he'd probably do.
Osiris
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* 6-Feb-2018(#29)
first correction for this specific bull market, big players will be buying back in when their metrics tell them to. Because Trump takes
credit for and overemphasizes the US economic picture using the market instead of better indicators, the adjustment gets more
attention i think. such a simple man!
Scots
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6-Feb-2018(#30)
There was bound to be a correction at some point. We all got spoiled making 25% in our retirement accounts last year. smile
Feeb
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6-Feb-2018(#31)
This is why economic and market models fail. No one knows what the fudge is going on.
Karaiya
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6-Feb-2018(#32)
All I can say is it happens.
Finn
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6-Feb-2018(#33)
@Dustin sorry, just did not want to clog the meme thread.


I am Conservitve, but just because they are Conservitve dose not mean I will support them. Every Provincial or Federal election I have voted has either been Reform or until they merged with the Conservitves then I just went with them. I feel kinda screwed this election I don't know if I like the new PC leader, but I will not Vote liberal and it would be a cold day in hell before I voted NDP. So I am voting PC. Provincially I am the same, they are out of touch and while a PC government would help us economically I am not about to sell my values because I would benefit financially. I will not vote NDP provincially either though Liberal is more attractive then they are Federally... But I also have another Conservitve option in the Alberta Party.

The PC's for instance are not for legalized marijuana. I don't smoke but I am for the legalized use of it! One PC member even went as far as comparing it to opium use in China. There is nothing wrong with it. It's not a gateway you don't get high and go on crime spree's. Alcohol is so, sooooooo much worse and is an actual gateway substance. It's just old stuffy shirt thinking that unfortunately has taken hold in the Conservitve party here.













Feeb
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6-Feb-2018(#34)
Americans are ignorant of the political spectrum for the most part. The "relativeness" of living in one of the last evangelical nations has blinded us.
Scots
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6-Feb-2018(#35)
Nice rally for the Dow to close the day. yes
Osiris
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7-Feb-2018(#36)
Disappointed in Kelly, someone who I had thought well of in the admin, said non daca people "too lazy to get off asses/couch" to register for daca. Why say anything like that, and run them down.

If you don't want to give any protection to daca eligible/not registered aliens, like a million of them, then don't. Just don't denigrate them for no purpose. Why does this admin go out of its way to be mean spirited?

Base just loves that chit?
Feeb
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7-Feb-2018(#37)
Locker room talk. I'm sure he's right about a few of them, but don't get caught on record.
Osiris
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7-Feb-2018(#38)
Of course, just not suitable to have the chief of staff/former DHS head talking trash like that.
You want to throw those guys out, be my guest. Stop picking on the Hispanics.

It's ironic that when Obama was deporting large numbers of illegals, they didn't talk about it, just did it. It's like that roundtable yesterday about MS13, just tell us what actions you want to take, stop talking about how bad they are, no chit sherlock.
Scots
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7-Feb-2018(#39)
Good context on the stock market movement.

https://twitter.com/thomasfarley/status/9609214677...
DiamondDave
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7-Feb-2018(#40)
You Might Think He Loves You for Your Money But I Know What He Really Loves You For It's Your Brand New Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat
Feeb
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7-Feb-2018(#41)
Flu season is over. Thank God!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pvoKMgHca0k
MikeyWhoa
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* 7-Feb-2018(#42)
Inoculate yourself with the word of God. That's a t-shirt right there.

My question is when she prayed for those that had the flu, but also claimed there is no flu season, is she implying that those with the flu/symptoms just aren't pious enough?

The only differences between this nut and hippie all-natural nuts are the Gods they worship, and the accents.
Feeb
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7-Feb-2018(#43)
In her eyes is wrongness.
ninesalone
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7-Feb-2018(#44)
Winning. This is despite the fake media, who thoroughly embraced Obama. Can only imagine the numbers if the MSM wasn't so biased.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/outstandin...
Feeb
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7-Feb-2018(#45)
That's pretty good without a recession.
MikeyWhoa
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7-Feb-2018(#46)
The Gateway Pundit isn't biased or "fake"?
Feeb
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* 7-Feb-2018(#47)
Rasmussen is the red poll. He usually sits 8 or so points higher on it. His approval is no doubt rising across the board, however.

All polls are fake. I think?

Edit: just checked. Polls are NOT fake today!
ninesalone
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7-Feb-2018(#48)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> The Gateway Pundit isn't biased or "fake"?

Certainly biased, but it's just reporting the results from Rasmussen.
MikeyWhoa
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* 7-Feb-2018(#49)
The taxes certainly boosted it Nationwide no doubt.

And the first thing I learned after Trump won the election is that polls don't really matter anymore. There's a good book about it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&lo...

Everybody Lies: Big Data, New Data, and What the Internet Can Tell Us About Who We Really Are.

I'm just curious what makes The Gateway Pundit an unbiased source.

Answered.
ninesalone
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* 7-Feb-2018(#50)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> The taxes certainly boosted it Nationwide no doubt.
>
> And the first thing I learned after Trump won the election is that polls don't really
> matter anymore. There's a good book about it. https://www.amazon.com/Everybody-Lies-Internet-Abo...
>" title="www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=https://www.amazon.com/Everybody-Lies-Internet-Abo...
> (secure)">Everybody Lies: Big Data, New Data, and What the Internet Can Tell Us About Who We
> Really Are.

This is true. Real approval likely much higher because of many variables.
MikeyWhoa
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7-Feb-2018(#51)
Yeah, I corrected. It's just a conduit for the poll. You just beat my edit.
DiamondDave
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* 8-Feb-2018(#52)
ninesalone wrote:
> Winning. This is despite the fake media, who thoroughly embraced Obama. Can only
> imagine the numbers if the MSM wasn't so biased.
>

He only literally had to pay people off to improve his approval rating. But cheer that crap. raspberry

Does an approval rating even fudging matter? Who gives a crap other than liberal mainstream media (And Trump and his base when it's in his favor)? Either you think he's doing a bang-up job or you don't.

I find it hard to believe that anyone who understands "taxes" would use that as a reason to say they suddenly approve of him when they didn't, certainly when you realize that over the next ten years it's not a cut, it's a tax hike. Not that I'm not appreciative of another fifty bucks per month for a bit, but predictions are that in 2027 I'll be paying a lot more than that back in taxes moving forward. With all the spending going on it certainly won't be LESS.

This is all assuming we don't completely go belly-up bankrupt by then ANYWAYS and we're all working for China.
Karaiya
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8-Feb-2018(#53)
Today the courts ruled that the California baker does not have to bake a cake for a same sex couple citing artistic expression. While, the ruling won't sit well with my community I believe the ruling is just based on freedom of speech and expression. I'd prefer the money of LGBTQ peoples go to businesses that support our lifestyles.
Dustin
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8-Feb-2018(#54)
DiamondDave wrote:
> ninesalone wrote:
>> Winning. This is despite the fake media, who thoroughly embraced Obama. Can only
>> imagine the numbers if the MSM wasn't so biased.
>>
>
> He only literally had to pay people off to improve his approval rating. But cheer
> that crap. raspberry
>
> Does an approval rating even fudging matter? Who gives a crap other than liberal
> mainstream media (And Trump and his base when it's in his favor)? Either you think
> he's doing a bang-up job or you don't.
>
> I find it hard to believe that anyone who understands "taxes" would use that as a
> reason to say they suddenly approve of him when they didn't, certainly when you realize
> that over the next ten years it's not a cut, it's a tax hike. Not that I'm not appreciative
> of another fifty bucks per month for a bit, but predictions are that in 2027 I'll
> be paying a lot more than that back in taxes moving forward. With all the spending
> going on it certainly won't be LESS.
>
> This is all assuming we don't completely go belly-up bankrupt by then ANYWAYS and
> we're all working for China.

Take the following interview with Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.):

The Washington Post: You're confident those tax cuts will stay for individuals beyond 10 years?

Rounds: That's the intent. We can't put it in the bill that way because the rules don't allow us to, but once we do this under reconciliation and it proves itself correct, it would be extremely difficult not to continue.

WP: So if it's going to be extended, shouldn't you include it in the 10-year deficit impact?

Rounds: No, you can't include it -- that's the reason for the 10 year, you can't do it. Since it's not in the bill, it's not included. If you put it in the bill, it wouldn't fit the 10-year window.

WP: I think a Democrat would then say that the bill is more expensive than it's being marketed as --

Rounds: Not really, because we're still talking in the same time frame. What we continue on after that, and the modifications we make after, may very well be significant, based on whether this is as significant as we want it to be. But the intent is once you get rolling on it, it will become permanent.
Feeb
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8-Feb-2018(#55)
Lol. It's not more expensive in the 10 year window. Not really after it either. Not really...
DiamondDave
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* 8-Feb-2018(#56)
Dustin wrote:
> Take the following interview with Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.):
>
> The Washington Post: You're confident those tax cuts will stay for individuals beyond
> 10 years?
>
> Rounds: That's the intent. We can't put it in the bill that way because the rules
> don't allow us to, but once we do this under reconciliation and it proves itself
> correct, it would be extremely difficult not to continue.
>
> WP: So if it's going to be extended, shouldn't you include it in the 10-year deficit
> impact?
>
> Rounds: No, you can't include it -- that's the reason for the 10 year, you can't do
> it. Since it's not in the bill, it's not included. If you put it in the bill, it
> wouldn't fit the 10-year window.
>
> WP: I think a Democrat would then say that the bill is more expensive than it's being
> marketed as --
>
> Rounds: Not really, because we're still talking in the same time frame. What we continue
> on after that, and the modifications we make after, may very well be significant,
> based on whether this is as significant as we want it to be. But the intent is once
> you get rolling on it, it will become permanent.

You'll forgive me for not taking a US politician at his word. Ten years is a long time, the way it's written now it's not permanent (and it doesn't end in a reversion, but a hike, which SEEMS STRANGE). I hate to have to say "We'll wait ten years and see" but that's precisely all you can do.

Keep in mind, somehow the corporate tax cuts ARE permanent, the "rules" allow this. To me, that seems odd, but if that makes sense to you, I'll just accede that you're smarter than I am.
Osiris
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8-Feb-2018(#57)
There will be compelling deficit, debt ceiling and debt service problems well before 2027 that will prevent extension or permanence of individual tax rates and net tax savings.
Depending on actual federal revenue performance over next 5 years, even corporate savings may be curtailed.

Be interesting to see what the House deficit hawks do about the 2 year spending proposal from the Senate.
Dustin
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8-Feb-2018(#58)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Keep in mind, somehow the corporate tax cuts ARE permanent, the "rules" allow this.
> To me, that seems odd, but if that makes sense to you, I'll just accede that you're
> smarter than I am.

I'm not smarter than many people when it comes to taxes and all that crap. I know very little about them. However, I also know that every liberal rag website takes the approach of "OMG the sky is falling, these tax cuts are sooooo temporary, I don't even want this extra money, waahhhhhh". If you do the research and find a nonpartisan source that explains WHY the plan was done the way it was, it would probably help the understanding of it. There are actual rules that need to be followed, so it wasn't just a greedy businessman helping his rich friends.
Osiris
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* 8-Feb-2018(#59)
the congressional bubbleheads who did this are old enough to have seen Reaganomics in action, if they had extended individual cuts the projected deficit would have been a lot more than the $1.5t projected. Bad enough they are hoping desperately that tax revenues will rise enough to cover even a part of that. Tax changes as structured are an attempt to save
the republicans in 2018. We'll see.

Centrists who understand the pass through change and the complete removal of the inheritance tax knows who did favors for whom.
Feeb
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8-Feb-2018(#60)
So many contingencies with taxes.
DiamondDave
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* 8-Feb-2018(#61)
Dustin wrote:
> I'm not smarter than many people when it comes to taxes and all that crap. I know
> very little about them. However, I also know that every liberal rag website takes
> the approach of "OMG the sky is falling, these tax cuts are sooooo temporary, I don't
> even want this extra money, waahhhhhh".

Okay, but wait. You're seriously flinging terms like "liberal rag website" in a clearly derogatory fashion about a group of people who are looking at this long-term, and as the law is actually written instead of how a Republican is telling you to interpret, what will PROBABLY happen, what SHOULD happen, and ...I can only assume berating them for not taking their $10-15 per paycheck and just shutting the fudge up about it already?

I don't know who I should take more serious here. I mean, this is kind of their job. Now, fudging hammering people over the head with doom and gloom is one thing, but speculating over facts, hopefully you're not against that. There's nothing wrong with saying "This is how it's worded, this is how it will work out as it was designed". And certainly dismissing concerned parties (who aren't beating you over the head with a dead fish) simply because you like seeing a few extra bucks in your paycheck isn't very sensible either, I'm imagining they're concerned that this is gonna bite them in the ass ten years down the line, all to bring corporate profits up and trust that they'll be contributing to the market in tangible ways beyond their token payouts so far. On the plus, at least short term, that bonus money's almost guaranteed to be thrown right back into the economy immediately since most people receiving them are likely not the "put it away and forget about it" types. So short term, even if I question the long term, I do see benefits.

> If you do the research and find a nonpartisan
> source that explains WHY the plan was done the way it was, it would probably help
> the understanding of it. There are actual rules that need to be followed, so it wasn't
> just a greedy businessman helping his rich friends.

I'm simply wondering why the rules say "Everyone's breaks have to be permanent or offset by a hike, but the corporate breaks can be permanent". So unless following the rules in this manner is the only way they could write a bill into law that actually balances itself instead of severely fudging us, I'd say that's a poor reason to pass the bill and say "It'll be fine". Obviously it's too late, but if that's WHY they had to write it that way... this was essentially a loophole. "We can't do the corporate tax cut. Unless someone pays for it." I'll have to look into it more. At the moment all I have are autistic guesses.

Are you okay with a corporate tax break that is contingent on you paying more for taxes in ten years than you do today? Let's say worst comes to worst, it went terribly and we have to stay on track as it's written and signed.



Ending thought: It's far too early to have any meaningful discussion and analysis on what is and what will be, this is all conjecture, but I'm interested in it since it affects everyone, for better or worse.
Dustin
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8-Feb-2018(#62)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>> I'm not smarter than many people when it comes to taxes and all that crap. I know
>> very little about them. However, I also know that every liberal rag website takes
>> the approach of "OMG the sky is falling, these tax cuts are sooooo temporary,
> I don't
>> even want this extra money, waahhhhhh".
>
> Okay, but wait. You're seriously flinging terms like "liberal rag website" in a
> clearly derogatory fashion about a group of people who are looking at this long-term,
> and as the law is actually written instead of how a Republican is telling you to
> interpret, what will PROBABLY happen, what SHOULD happen, and ...I can only assume
> berating them for not taking their $10-15 per paycheck and just shutting the fudge
> up about it already?
>
> I don't know who I should take more serious here. I mean, this is kind of their
> job. Now, fudging hammering people over the head with doom and gloom is one thing,
> but speculating over facts, hopefully you're not against that. There's nothing
> wrong with saying "This is how it's worded, this is how it will work out as it was
> designed". And certainly dismissing concerned parties (who aren't beating you over
> the head with a dead fish) simply because you like seeing a few extra bucks in your
> paycheck isn't very sensible either, I'm imagining they're concerned that this is
> gonna bite them in the ass ten years down the line, all to bring corporate profits
> up and trust that they'll be contributing to the market in tangible ways beyond their
> token payouts so far. On the plus, at least short term, that bonus money's almost
> guaranteed to be thrown right back into the market immediately since most people
> receiving them are likely not the "put it away and forget about it" types. So short
> term, even if I question the long term, I do see benefits.

Are we going to sit and debate whether or not these certain outlets spin EVERY SINGLE THING Trump or any other republican has done in a negative light? I thought that was a pretty widely understood fact at this point. It shouldn't be someone's job to do that. I understand that it is, on both sides of the spectrum, but it's scummy no matter who's doing it.

I know you're a lot more sensible than others here and tend to look at the good and bad in most of these things. The intention is that this will not expire in 10 years. That's what has been said from the very beginning. I can't say with 100% certainty what will happen, but it has been clear what the intention is. I don't know why the rules are written the way they are. That is beyond my understanding of the issue. I believe it's pretty hard to tell the difference in people who are genuinely concerned about 10 years from now, versus the ones who just want to bash anything with an R in front of it. Pretending that's not what's going on in a lot of cases here is naive.

DiamondDave
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* 8-Feb-2018(#63)
There's no real middle ground, Dustin. Either you're sucking Donald Trump's dick or you're trying to chop it off, other than reading AP bulletins verbatim there is spin, so aiming at any particular media outlet and getting upset about it makes no sense to me. You're throwing energy and hate at a machine that can't and won't end, and lives and breathes from that energy and hate. Thinking otherwise is the real naivete, I think.

People have opinions. Who gives a crap? Or more to the point, why give a crap? Simply saying "Because they're going apecrap over this, I don't give a fudge" ...isn't very intelligent, I think. Caution seems wiser. Certainly when the person who pushed this agenda stated over and over again it's a bum deal for him, when it's very, very clearly not.
Dustin
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8-Feb-2018(#64)
DiamondDave wrote:
> There's no real middle ground, Dustin. Either you're sucking Donald Trump's dick
> or you're trying to chop it off, other than reading AP bulletins verbatim there is
> spin, so aiming at any particular media outlet and getting upset about it makes no
> sense to me. You're throwing energy and hate at a machine that can't and won't end,
> and lives and breathes from that energy and hate. Thinking otherwise is the real
> naivete, I think.

Yeah I agree. I hate that it's come to that point, but you're right. It's not changing anytime soon.

>
> People have opinions. Who gives a crap? Or more to the point, why give a crap?
> Simply saying "Because they're going apecrap over this, I don't give a fudge" ...isn't
> very intelligent, I think.

My point from the start was just this though. If you can find a nonpartisan source, as with ALL issues now, it can be beneficial and informative. Problem I see is that it's hard to know what qualifies.
DiamondDave
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8-Feb-2018(#65)
Hit me up if you figure it out. In the meantime, you just gotta keep getting those info nuggets where you can and peeling away the moldy breading.

I'll try to read up on why the bill was written and passed as it was, but I'm legally retarded so I'm confident it won't help me understand it at all.
Osiris
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9-Feb-2018(#66)
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I am "the king of debt."That has been great for me as a businessman, but is bad for the country. I made a fortune off of debt, will fix U.S.
12:55 PM Jun 21, 2016

Trump base sees no problem with current approach to spending and deficit?
DiamondDave
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9-Feb-2018(#67)
As long as it's being spent on things Trump tells them will MAGA, the base will continue to be fine with all the spending in the world.
Dustin
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9-Feb-2018(#68)
My concern with the tax plan comes from an extremely elementary viewpoint. If you basically cut taxes for everyone, where is the lost revenue going to come from? I understand the strengthening of the economy aspect, but don't understand how that correlates to lost revenue for certain things that rely on tax revenue to be funded.
DiamondDave
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* 9-Feb-2018(#69)
Dustin wrote:
> My concern with the tax plan comes from an extremely elementary viewpoint. If you
> basically cut taxes for everyone, where is the lost revenue going to come from? I
> understand the strengthening of the economy aspect, but don't understand how that
> correlates to lost revenue for certain things that rely on tax revenue to be funded.
>

The thought is, I'm assuming, over the next ten years, more companies making more products will create more jobs (and will magically pay more money) and that economic boom in ten years will effectively "pay" the difference, plus dividends. "Where is the lost revenue going to come from", the answer is in the law itself; it comes from everyone but corporate entities when our taxes all go up at its sunset.

Still, I think you'd have to be ...extremely optimistic to assume that companies will reinvest in workers instead of carrying on business as they normally do currently. Job cuts raise their stock prices, shipping jobs overseas to save money raises their stock prices, running a lean ship raises their stock prices.

American labor is still too expensive because the cost of living is too expensive, the cost of betterment is too expensive. I see no USA where this plan pans out the way it was sold to us.

You're thinking correctly. In a world where we owe everyone way more money than we make and continue to spend money we don't have heavily and artificially raise the ceiling whenever we approach it, a tax cut corporate and personal seems counter-intuitive.
yankees7448
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9-Feb-2018(#70)
Dustin wrote:
> My concern with the tax plan comes from an extremely elementary viewpoint. If you
> basically cut taxes for everyone, where is the lost revenue going to come from? I
> understand the strengthening of the economy aspect, but don't understand how that
> correlates to lost revenue for certain things that rely on tax revenue to be funded.
>

As was mentioned by DiamondDave....they assume the lost revenue will be made up for with economic growth. Its that whole dynamic scoring voodoo mathematics. Its just so hypocritical that they only seem to apply that principle with their own proposals whereas when a Democrat offers a plan they don't seem to dynamically score their proposals.

In any case, they know the whole dynamic scoring thing is horsecrap. That's why Paul Ryan was talking about going after social security, medicaid, medicare next. Their reforms are just a euphemism for cuts.


Osiris
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* 9-Feb-2018(#71)
It's pretty clear this most recent dip in the market is due to the budget and deficit changes considered/now passed by Congress. More the changes in debt ceiling and deficit/debt service than specific budgeted expenditures.

Raises in wages will generate increase federal revenue, but corporate tax revenue with the reduction will not increase. Companies hire ONLY when they must, so found money from lower taxes and overseas cash repatriation will go to acquisitions, which usually reduces employees, and stockholder dividends. Automation too if it fits the company.

If people think interest rates are definitely going up as they do, companies will pay down debt, and if stock goes lower they will buyback

The irony is that we already found out this borrowing to generate new revenue didn't work in the Reagan years, although economy did better under Reagan and great under Clinton, dot com, automation and other tech related growth did it.

If we ever saw the tax returns, I think we would find out how much trump sucks at financial stuff, and just pyramid borrows to present the illusion of solvency and profitability.
Karaiya
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* 9-Feb-2018(#72)
Trump seems pissed at Kelly. Really annoyed. Do you think he'll actually replace him?
DiamondDave
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* 9-Feb-2018(#73)
I don't think he seems that pissed at Kelly. Not publicly at least, just "inside sources" reporting on their musings. He seems more pissed that he had to rely on Democrat votes to pass his two year spending bill. I do find it hilarious that he's complaining about having to COMPROMISE to come to an agreement, and that his answer is to flood even more Republicans into the house and senate so that they can just plow every legislation that crosses their minds through without any opposition. You'd think he's new to this or something.
Osiris
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9-Feb-2018(#74)
Unless it's changed overnight, the motto of the Olympics, since 1894, has been "Faster, Higher, Stronger." It appears the U.S. Olympic Committee would like to change that to "Darker, Gayer, Different." If your goal is to win medals, that won't work.

A USOC official was quoted this week expressing pride (what else?) about taking the most diverse U.S. squad ever to the Winter Olympics. That was followed by a, frankly, embarrassing laundry list of how many African-Americans, Asians and openly gay athletes are on this year's U.S. team. No sport that we are aware of awards points -- or medals -- for skin color or sexual orientation.

FOX News VP John Moody
Grenadier
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9-Feb-2018(#75)
Moody hasn't figured out that winning medals and having a diverse team are not mutually exclusive.

Also, no one got put on the team based on skin color or sexual orientation. The point is that they got there on their merits, and were not kept OFF the team based on those factors like they would have been in some other countries.
Karaiya
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* 9-Feb-2018(#76)
Jesus John Moody. How the hell are we supposed win male figure skating without the gays?????
Grenadier
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9-Feb-2018(#77)
Karaiya wrote:
> Jesus John Moody. How the hell are we supposed when male figure skating without
> the gays?????

I know you're trying to make a joke here, but it comes off as nasty and clueless as what Moody wrote.

Apparently Fox News agrees. They pulled Moody's piece from the net.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/fox-news-pulls-execut...
Dustin
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9-Feb-2018(#78)
Pretty sure Karaiya gets a free pass at making LGBT jokes
ninesalone
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9-Feb-2018(#79)
Dustin wrote:
> Pretty sure Karaiya gets a free pass at making LGBT jokes

He's moved a few rungs down in the oppression hierarchy.
Osiris
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9-Feb-2018(#80)
win male figure skating not when, right? i thought it was funny

any other neanderthal olympic commentary out there on the web yet? bring it!

the redeeming aspect of the meanness and intolerance masquerading as political incorrectness over
the last couple years is knowing what some folks really feel and think about different groups and
related stuff. now we know more of what is out there

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