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Topic   Is The Phrase "All Religion Is A Stain" Offensive, Intolerant, Or Both?

Noid
Gold Good Trader
* 1-Nov(#1)
Let's conduct an informal and unofficial poll here on GameTZ. Do you think the phrase "All religion is a stain" is offensive, intolerant, or both? If your answer is "yes," click on the positive and if your answer is "no," click on the negative. It's that simple! smiley:::grin
Karaiya
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1-Nov(#2)
Whats the option for both though??
Noid
Gold Good Trader
* 1-Nov(#3)
Karaiya wrote:
> Whats the option for both though??

That's a good question! I guess you'd click on the positive twice. But, since that doesn't do anything extra, clicking on the positive just once will have to suffice. smiley:::frown
Feeb
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
* 1-Nov(#4)
We need an option for "it's true."

Voted "+"since the evidence points to people being offended by it. Good experiment.
Noid
Gold Good Trader
1-Nov(#5)
Hey! I think I finally get it now, Feeb! So, let me know if I'm on the right track.

You're an butt-hole, right? I mean, like, you're a complete and utter butt-hole. Now, stating that would be both factual and offensive, right?! So, there you go! That must be it, right?!

But, wait! It gets better! While I may state, as a matter of absolute fact, that you're an incapable, incompetent butt-hole, you would more than likely disagree with those so-called "facts." You may state, as a matter of absolute fact, that you're not an butt-hole. Now, if that's the case, the real problem suddenly becomes completely and totally apparent: when are facts actually facts and not just inflated opinions?

I'll leave that question for another time. smiley:::wink
Feeb
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1-Nov(#6)
Can I borrow one of your clever gifs to post?

Lol. Carry on.

Karaiya
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1-Nov(#7)
I am entertained.
Noid
Gold Good Trader
1-Nov(#8)
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...and, yes, Feeb, you may totally borrow this GIF. love
Feeb
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1-Nov(#9)
It's more exciting with scoring turned off. Who's winning?
Noid
Gold Good Trader
* 1-Nov(#10)
Okay! So, here's the scores so far. The Astros and the Dodgers are all tied up: three and three. Game seven is tonight and I just know it's gonna be good! Don't miss it!! smiley:::grin yes
longhornsk57
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1-Nov(#11)
Go stros
MikeyWhoa
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1-Nov(#12)
It's no more offensive or intolerant than claiming that I have no morals, and I'm going to Hell for not following your religion. Neither seems to offend me personally.

I'm gonna have to go *neg* on this one.

Noid
Gold Good Trader
1-Nov(#13)
MikeyWhoa
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1-Nov(#14)
I'm sorry. Did I not provide the preferred answer to the unofficial poll?

Noid
Gold Good Trader
* 1-Nov(#15)
Oh, heavens, no! You answered that question the only way you should, nay, could!! yes

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MikeyWhoa
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* 1-Nov(#16)
Haha! Nice.

It's good you've got us all figured out. We should all be more independent thinkers, like the average religious person.

Feeb
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1-Nov(#17)
Pics or it doesn't count.
Noid
Gold Good Trader
1-Nov(#18)
You must've consumed something awfully nasty for you to keep crapting on religion. smiley:::frown I do hope you get to feeling better soon. smiley:::smile
ninesalone
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1-Nov(#19)
Noid wrote:
> You must've consumed something awfully nasty for you to keep crapting on religion.

It's called Marxism.
MikeyWhoa
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1-Nov(#20)
Feeb wrote:
> Pics or it doesn't count.


Sorry.

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MikeyWhoa
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* 1-Nov(#21)
Jesus and I love you all.

Except the Bears.

MikeyWhoa
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1-Nov(#22)
Noid wrote:
> You must've consumed something awfully nasty for you to keep crapting on religion.
> smiley:::frown I do hope you get to feeling better soon. smiley:::smile


You hate religion too. Just not yours.


Feeb
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1-Nov(#23)
You're the most Christ-like person I know Ten x.
Finn
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1-Nov(#24)
I think we have tried this religion thing long enough, let's go with out it and see how it would be.... Could not get any worse.




Noid
Gold Good Trader
1-Nov(#25)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Jesus and I love you all.
>
> Except the Bears.
>
>

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Mexico
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1-Nov(#26)
Finn wrote:
> I think we have tried this religion thing long enough, let's go with out it and see
> how it would be.... Could not get any worse.
>
>
>
>

You would be wrong, https://twitter.com/Cosmopolitan/status/9257609619...

Also when I am right I am right (called this years ago).
Dustin
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1-Nov(#27)
That article was written by Cersei Lannister though so I don't know how much truth there is to it.
thatonedude
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(frozen)
1-Nov(#28)
Dustin
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1-Nov(#29)
The only thing worse than debating politics on the internet with random people would probably be debating religion on the internet with random people.
thatonedude
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(frozen)
1-Nov(#30)
MikeyWhoa
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1-Nov(#31)
Dustin wrote:
> The only thing worse than debating politics on the internet with random people would
> probably be debating religion on the internet with random people.


I think abortion and guns might be worse.

Plus I'm not random. We're like best friends, you and I.


Dustin
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1-Nov(#32)
I disagree. You could potentially sway someone's opinion on guns and abortion. Probably not their overall stance on the issue but probably on certainly policies or rules. No one is changing their mind on religion.
ninesalone
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* 1-Nov(#33)
Finn wrote:
> I think we have tried this religion thing long enough, let's go with out it and see
> how it would be.... Could not get any worse.
>

See: USSR

These moral relativist/ nihilistic ideologies that manifest into Marxist governments are FAR more deadly than a fascist deliberately rounding people up for years on trains and gassing them.

Even liberal scholars admit modern Islam presents more problems than modern Christianity which has gone through many reformations. Even these 'civilized' Islamic countries gays are thrown to their death, women are forced to cover up, not allowed to drive, must serve their husband first and foremost... It's not even close to being compatible with not only western values, but liberal values.

It takes moral relativism to ignore the stark, illiberal differences and constantly compare the two as the same as they are practiced in modernity. A lot of people like to ignore how Christianity and the values of Christians shaped the west. In my opinion, Christians over the past 100 years have made a mistake in trying to battle science. It's impossible. Religion requires faith. They need to take that fight to where they would win a lot more and have a lot more to offer. Morality/ethics.
MikeyWhoa
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1-Nov(#34)
Dustin wrote:
> I disagree. You could potentially sway someone's opinion on guns and abortion. Probably
> not their overall stance on the issue but probably on certainly policies or rules.
> No one is changing their mind on religion.


Really? Is that your honest experience? Wow.

Mines been so so on guns, and I've watched people evolve on, and completely dismiss (or embrace) different religious beliefs. I've yet to meet the pro-lifer who would concede a point. They always seem to be the most steadfast. At least on the internet.

Huh.


MikeyWhoa
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* 1-Nov(#35)
ninesalone wrote:
> It takes moral relativism to ignore the stark, illiberal differences and constantly
> compare the two as the same as they are practiced in modernity. A lot of people like
> to ignore how Christianity and the values of Christians shaped the west. In my opinion,
> Christians over the past 100 years have made a mistake in trying to battle science.
> It's impossible. Religion requires faith. They need to take that fight to where they
> would win a lot more and have a lot more to offer. Morality/ethics.


As much crap as I give Christianity, this is all mostly true (We would probably have a few disagreements about Christianity shaping the West).

But I, like a great many, are affected every single day by Christianity. So when we battle on religion, it's our go-to because we're are so well aware of it.

On a worldwide basis, Islam is by far more violent and detrimental in the modern age. On a more personal basis, Islam has never personally affected me ever. Christianity has. Daily. Both good and bad. Unfortunately the latter more often.


Dustin
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1-Nov(#36)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>> I disagree. You could potentially sway someone's opinion on guns and abortion.
> Probably
>> not their overall stance on the issue but probably on certainly policies or rules.
>> No one is changing their mind on religion.
>
>
> Really? Is that your honest experience? Wow.
>
> Mines been so so on guns, and I've watched people evolve on, and completely dismiss
> (or embrace) different religious beliefs. I've yet to meet the pro-lifer who would
> concede a point. They always seem to be the most steadfast. At least on the internet.
>
> Huh.
>
>
>

I'm just speaking for myself. You're not going to change my love of guns, but I could easily be swayed on different policies and laws regarding them. Same with abortion. I can't say I'm 100% against it in every situation so there's some leeway there. However I'm not going to stop believing in God based on an internet discussion. I'd be willing to wager that the people you've seen change their views have been the result of something other than an internet debate with a stranger as well.
Feeb
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1-Nov(#37)
People unfamiliar with holy books often think they teach morality; this is very much not true.
Noid
Gold Good Trader
* 1-Nov(#38)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> ninesalone wrote:
>> It takes moral relativism to ignore the stark, illiberal differences and constantly
>> compare the two as the same as they are practiced in modernity. A lot of people
> like
>> to ignore how Christianity and the values of Christians shaped the west. In my
> opinion,
>> Christians over the past 100 years have made a mistake in trying to battle science.
>> It's impossible. Religion requires faith. They need to take that fight to where
> they
>> would win a lot more and have a lot more to offer. Morality/ethics.
>
>
> As much crap as I give Christianity, this is all mostly true (We would probably have
> a few disagreements about Christianity shaping the West).
>
> But I, like a great many, are affected every single day by Christianity. So when
> we battle on religion, it's our go-to because we're are so well aware of it.
>
> On a worldwide basis, Islam is by far more violent and detrimental in the modern
> age. On a more personal basis, Islam has never personally affected me ever. Christianity
> has. Daily. Both good and bad. Unfortunately the latter more often.
>
>
>

For what it's worth, I'm truly sorry you feel that Christianity's given you the short end of the stick. I wish you lived closer to me, man. I'd invite you over to dinner on a Saturday night and have the wife cook up one of her specialities. Then, after a delicious meal, we'd retire to the back porch, wrassle us up a good drink and a nice smoke, then just talk the night away. We probably wouldn't come to any earth-shattering epiphanies. But, we'd have a good time, get to know each other a little better, and part ways as friends. Sometimes, that's the best you can hope for... smiley:::smile
MikeyWhoa
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1-Nov(#39)
Noid wrote:
> MikeyWhoa wrote:
>> ninesalone wrote:
> |>> It takes moral relativism to ignore the stark, illiberal differences and constantly
> |>> compare the two as the same as they are practiced in modernity. A lot of people
>> like
> |>> to ignore how Christianity and the values of Christians shaped the west. In my
>> opinion,
> |>> Christians over the past 100 years have made a mistake in trying to battle science.
> |>> It's impossible. Religion requires faith. They need to take that fight to where
>> they
> |>> would win a lot more and have a lot more to offer. Morality/ethics.
>>
>>
>> As much crap as I give Christianity, this is all mostly true (We would probably
> have
>> a few disagreements about Christianity shaping the West).
>>
>> But I, like a great many, are affected every single day by Christianity. So when
>> we battle on religion, it's our go-to because we're are so well aware of it.
>>
>> On a worldwide basis, Islam is by far more violent and detrimental in the modern
>> age. On a more personal basis, Islam has never personally affected me ever. Christianity
>> has. Daily. Both good and bad. Unfortunately the latter more often.
>>
>>
>>
>
> For what it's worth, I'm truly sorry you feel that Christianity's given you the short
> end of the stick. I wish you lived closer to me, man. I'd invite you over to dinner
> on a Saturday night and have the wife cook up one of her specialities. Then, after
> a delicious meal, we'd retire to the back porch, wrassle us up a good drink and a
> nice smoke, then just talk the night away. We probably wouldn't come to any earth-shattering
> epiphanies. But, we'd have a good time, get to know each other a little better, and
> part ways as friends. Sometimes, that's the best you can hope for... smiley:::smile


I don't doubt it brother. I'd have a thousand questions to get your point of view. And honestly, I'd be making fun of both of our stations in life. We roast the ones we love. If I could coexist with opposing opinions, I'd be off the grid.


DiamondDave
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2-Nov(#40)
Feeb wrote:
> It's more exciting with scoring turned off. Who's winning?

To me, it's 8 to iunno, I turned off negs.
tonymack21
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* 2-Nov(#41)
ninesalone wrote:

>
> It takes moral relativism to ignore the stark, illiberal differences and constantly
> compare the two as the same as they are practiced in modernity. A lot of people like
> to ignore how Christianity and the values of Christians shaped the west. In my opinion,
> Christians over the past 100 years have made a mistake in trying to battle science.
> It's impossible. Religion requires faith. They need to take that fight to where they
> would win a lot more and have a lot more to offer. Morality/ethics

yes they absolutely do. we are living in a time where fewer people than ever identify as religious, and the role we need the church to fill is not battling and pushing against science and "the world" as churches around here call it, but rather as you said it take the fight to moral and ethical realm. their practices the last years have only served to push people away from them. the Christian church, in all denominations is going to have to evolve or risk being insignificant in 50 years. some people I know irl who I pose this too say but that's blasphemous and you have to be of the faith and not of the world, and then you have to make them understand that the church has already evolved many times over the years its just time to do that again. ive been in so many churches over the years back when I used to go that taught as a basic principle that you can not be of the world and of God, and that's a teaching that has separated them too far even from some who grew up in church. Im not a terribly religious person these days and haven't attended church in many years, but I do think without the moral and ethical principles of Christianity that the country was founded on we are in trouble as a nation in the long run. when my brother and I started questioning more the existence of a higher power and the scientific aspects etc our mother told even if that's true, the moral principles and teachings are no less important.


lpeters82
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* 2-Nov(#42)
Not going to do a deep dive into this topic, but I view the statement as, at best, "purposefully provocative". Isn't the percentage of religious versus non-religious something like 85/15? I would expect the 85 to have a major influence over global events, so assuming the comment is made in reference to past or current negative events, my response would be "that shouldn't be all that surprising". I guess you could debate how many of those events would still occur if you remove religion from the equation. Obviously hypothetical, but my suspicion is that humanity would find another excuse to go to war, kill, persecute, etc.
tonymack21
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2-Nov(#43)
lpeters82 wrote:
Obviously hypothetical, but my suspicion is that humanity would find
> another excuse to go to war, kill, persecute, etc.

Definitely. Resources, land, etc would probably still drive people to fighting in some way

Karaiya
Gold Good Trader Has Written 1 Review
* 2-Nov(#44)
These religions gain fellowship and followers not through finding ways to draw people in with morality/ethics, but with hope and fear. Hope being the good part. Christianity is not exempt from this regardless of how "progressive" it has become. Id argue the Constitution, democracy, and technology has forced Christianitys hand in not oppressing its followers.

Topic   Is The Phrase "All Religion Is A Stain" Offensive, Intolerant, Or Both?