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Topic   Political Memes [the 2nd]

King_link
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Dustin wrote:
> We should do the semantics thing where we try and pretend babies aren't really babies
> so we can justify killing them. That's fun.we can even follow it up with quotes that
> have big words in them to add to the level of fun

Or just be stupid assess. That's fun too. What are your advanced degrees in?

Baby. Wow.

Semantics indeed.
ninesalone
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* 1-Jan-2018(#4)
King_link wrote:

Really like Carlin, but he's wrong here. This tired old argument just isn't logically sound.

"It's a question pro-aborts endlessly badger pro-lifers with: "If you so badly want babies to be born, how many are you willing to adopt?" They hope that by casting pro-lifers as somehow not doing enough to give "unwanted" children a home, they can divert attention away from the deaths they're responsible for and guilt a few of us into shutting up. If that reminds you of a child snapping, "If you love it so much, why don't you marry it?," that's because the challenge is about as sophisticated.

Sorry, but moral high ground doesn't come that cheaply, the primary reason being that it doesn't change the tiny details of (a) who's making children they don't want in the first place, and (b) who's actually killing them and perpetuating that killing. Can anyone think of any other scenario where "I should be able to harm someone unless you aid me in some way" would be taken even remotely seriously as moral reasoning? If I forbid somebody from stealing my neighbor's car, am I therefore obligated to let the would-be thief borrow my own?"

https://www.liveaction.org/news/empty-pro-choice-c...
Dustin
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Feeb wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>> We should do the semantics thing where we try and pretend babies aren't really
> babies
>> so we can justify killing them. That's fun.we can even follow it up with quotes
> that
>> have big words in them to add to the level of fun
>
> Or just be stupid assess. That's fun too. What are your advanced degrees in?
>
> Baby. Wow.
>
> Semantics indeed.

I only have one "advanced" degree and it's in management. Hardly makes me any sort of knowledgeable on the scientific aspect of things. I just have common sense.
Feeb
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ninesalone wrote:
> King_link wrote:
> 500 300{imgt}
>
> Really like Carlin, but he's wrong here. This tired old argument just isn't logically
> sound.
>
> "It's a question pro-aborts endlessly badger pro-lifers with: "If you so badly
> want babies to be born, how many are you willing to adopt?" They hope that by casting
> pro-lifers as somehow not doing enough to give "unwanted" children a home, they
> can divert attention away from the deaths they're responsible for and guilt a few
> of us into shutting up. If that reminds you of a child snapping, "If you love it
> so much, why don't you marry it?," that's because the challenge is about as
> sophisticated.
>
> Sorry, but moral high ground doesn't come that cheaply, the primary reason being
> that it doesn't change the tiny details of (a) who's making children they don't
> want in the first place, and (b) who's actually killing them and perpetuating that
> killing. Can anyone think of any other scenario where "I should be able to harm
> someone unless you aid me in some way" would be taken even remotely seriously as
> moral reasoning? If I forbid somebody from stealing my neighbor's car, am I therefore
> obligated to let the would-be thief borrow my own?"
>


He's a comedian. Lol.
DiamondDave
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* 1-Jan-2018(#7)
If we were simultaneously supporting programs that supported children as well as defending a fetus's right to live, that'd be one thing. But I don't see Carlin as being that far off, honestly. If it's extra fat, it is a conservative's goal to chop it wherever they can.

I will say, judgement on "deadbeat" parents (edgelord term for "undersupported/ill-prepared") tends to swing in from both sides, but I've never seen a Democrat shy away from funding after-school programs for at-risk kids or, you know... health care and insurance... Food programs? The answer is typically "Go private/volunteer" from the right. Where if that actually worked, social programs would be out of a job. Right?

Not to say social programs are perfect. But, again, if it was better elsewhere, social programs wouldn't exist.
ninesalone
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1-Jan-2018(#8)
Yeah that old sophist trick Jon Stewart used to employ. Make a point, albeit in a funny way. When someone challenges you on it, "I'm just a comedian bro, why you taking what I say seriously?"

George Carlin was a brilliant man. More than a comic. He's wrong here though.
Feeb
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* 1-Jan-2018(#9)
He's probably trained to make those assessments.

Comedian. Sophist. Lol.
Finn
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Again I agree with abortion when it's not used for birth control. If a 13 year old girl was sexually assaulted and became pregnant if she chose not to carry she should be well within her right not to. She did not ask for it! That's just an example...





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Feeb is a master multitasker, and now he is happy as a little girl! (Sprockets reference, no existentialism implied)

You going to the Dome next week?
Feeb
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If antifa doesn't put concrete on the tracks.

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Feeb wrote:
> If antifa doesnt put concrete on the tracks.

HAH!

BTW, i love it when men debate abortion issues, such certainty when its theoretical for them, aint it?

Too footballed out to focus on the Sugar...
Dustin
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1-Jan-2018(#15)
Yes, women should be the only ones allowed to make decisions about baby murders.
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Dustin wrote:
> Yes, women should be the only ones allowed to make decisions about baby murders.

Disagree.
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1-Jan-2018(#17)
Feeb wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>> Yes, women should be the only ones allowed to make decisions about baby murders.
>
> Disagree.

Me too
Feeb
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We are probably brothers. We are definitely brothers from another mother.

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Feeb wrote:
> We are probably brothers. We are definitely brothers from another mother.
>
>

No doubt
Feeb
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Yeah boiiii!!!
MikeyWhoa
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1-Jan-2018(#21)
I'm pro-death. I'm for abortion, death penalty, euthanasia.

How many here are pro-life and pro death penalty? If so, why? Isn't it true that the death penalty has taken innocent lives?

Dustin
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1-Jan-2018(#22)
I'm pro-life (mostly, but not entirely), pro death penalty and pro euthanasia. Equating abortion to the death penalty is a pretty big stretch though imo.
Feeb
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Never forced always chosen.
MikeyWhoa
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Dustin wrote:
> I'm pro-life (mostly, but not entirely), pro death penalty and pro euthanasia. Equating
> abortion to the death penalty is a pretty big stretch though imo.

The why is what I'm most curious about. The majority of pro-lifers I know are are also pro death penalty. I'm curious as to how they decided that a fetus is more "worthy" of life then a fully formed adult who may or may not have committed a crime.


Dustin
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1-Jan-2018(#25)
I don't really care enough to try and explain that to you as you feign curiosity. I think it's a pretty simple answer.
Dustin
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1-Jan-2018(#26)
To save time though, one is an unborn child and the other is someone who committed a crime worthy of a death sentence. They're pretty different things.
Feeb
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1-Jan-2018(#27)
It's called relative moralism. We "debated" it in the podcast thread. Check it out
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Dustin wrote:
> To save time though, one is an unborn child and the other is someone who committed
> a crime worthy of a death sentence. They're pretty different things.

The difference is appreciated. IMHO you are correct. It's ok to murder in some situations.
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1-Jan-2018(#29)
Dustin wrote:
> I don't really care enough to try and explain that to you as you feign curiosity.
> I think it's a pretty simple answer.

Feign curiosity? Oh, that deflective stance you take when you refuse to let your ideals be scrutinized. I am curious. If you're too afraid to share, just say so without throwing shade brother. Stop assuming the worst of me because the conversation gets difficult for you.


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1-Jan-2018(#30)
Dustin wrote:
> To save time though, one is an unborn child and the other is someone who committed
> a crime worthy of a death sentence. They're pretty different things.

So your stance is to assume the guilt of everyone on death row is valid enough for a death sentence. None have been innocent?


Feeb
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MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>> To save time though, one is an unborn child and the other is someone who committed
>> a crime worthy of a death sentence. They're pretty different things.
>
> So your stance is to assume the guilt of everyone on death row is valid enough for
> a death sentence. None have been innocent?
>
>
>

Although Dustin is wrong in calling 90% plus of abortions babies, his stance is commendable. Free willing humans who commit crimes should be punished. Innocents should not be killed.

I think you guys are on the same level in saying proven "evil" should be punished
Feeb
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It's not feasible to make laws based on exceptions. IMHO
MikeyWhoa
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Feeb wrote:
> MikeyWhoa wrote:
>> Dustin wrote:
> |>> To save time though, one is an unborn child and the other is someone who committed
> |>> a crime worthy of a death sentence. They're pretty different things.
>>
>> So your stance is to assume the guilt of everyone on death row is valid enough
> for
>> a death sentence. None have been innocent?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Although Dustin is wrong in calling 90% plus of abortions babies, his stance is commendable.
> Free willing humans who commit crimes should be punished. Innocents should not be
> killed.
>
> I think you guys are on the same level in saying proven "evil" should be punished
>


I agree. We both share the same sentiments on criminals being executed for the most part. The questions I'm asking him are the same I subject myself to.

I'm just curious as to why most pro-lifers think that life is sacred when the fetus technically can't live yet, but not so sacred when fully grown, and merely accused of a serious crime.

Feeb
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It's a noble belief that innocent life should be preserved. The validity of that belief should be based on the actual actions of that life.

Impossible to predict. Impossible to say if it's right or wrong.
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MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Feeb wrote:
>> MikeyWhoa wrote:
> |>> Dustin wrote:
>> |>> To save time though, one is an unborn child and the other is someone who committed
>> |>> a crime worthy of a death sentence. They're pretty different things.
> |>>
> |>> So your stance is to assume the guilt of everyone on death row is valid enough
>> for
> |>> a death sentence. None have been innocent?
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>
>>
>> Although Dustin is wrong in calling 90% plus of abortions babies, his stance is
> commendable.
>> Free willing humans who commit crimes should be punished. Innocents should not
> be
>> killed.
>>
>> I think you guys are on the same level in saying proven "evil" should be punished
>>
>
>
> I agree. We both share the same sentiments on criminals being executed for the most
> part. The questions I'm asking him are the same I subject myself to.
>
> I'm just curious as to why most pro-lifers think that life is sacred when the
> fetus technically can't live yet, but not so sacred when fully grown, and merely
> accused of a serious crime.
>
>

Convicted, not accused.
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MikeyWhoa wrote:

>
> I agree. We both share the same sentiments on criminals being executed for the most
> part. The questions I'm asking him are the same I subject myself to.
>
> I'm just curious as to why most pro-lifers think that life is sacred when the
> fetus technically can't live yet, but not so sacred when fully grown, and merely
> accused of a serious crime.
>
>
It's not accused.

It's tried, convicted, and endless appeals. I think it's pretty obvious he's saying we have to assume the guy is guilty here, and then it's OK. Basically if you decide to murder and are found guilty and sentenced to death, that was your conscious choice, a baby has done no such act.

Now you're getting into him just being accused, that's a whole other subject about justice system and it's flaws etc, not really what this is about.

Basically a pro lifer would say you have a right to live until by your own actions against society you give it up. It's actually not hypercritical at all.
Feeb
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I can see the argument. Respect.
MikeyWhoa
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longhornsk57 wrote:
> MikeyWhoa wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree. We both share the same sentiments on criminals being executed for the
> most
>> part. The questions I'm asking him are the same I subject myself to.
>>
>> I'm just curious as to why most pro-lifers think that life is sacred when
> the
>> fetus technically can't live yet, but not so sacred when fully grown, and merely
>> accused of a serious crime.
>>
>>
> It's not accused.
>
> It's tried, convicted, and endless appeals. I think it's pretty obvious he's saying
> we have to assume the guy is guilty here, and then it's OK. Basically if you decide
> to murder and are found guilty and sentenced to death, that was your conscious choice,
> a baby has done no such act.
>
> Now you're getting into him just being accused, that's a whole other subject about
> justice system and it's flaws etc, not really what this is about.
>
> Basically a pro lifer would say you have a right to live until by your own actions
> against society you give it up. It's actually not hypercritical at all.


But being accused, tried, convicted, and exhausting all appeals doesn't mean someone actually committed the crime. There are numerous cases of people being exonerated and saved from death row. There are also numerous examples of innocent people who weren't saved. There have been innocent people put to death by our justice system. Were their lives not sacred?


longhornsk57
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MikeyWhoa wrote:
>
> But being accused, tried, convicted, and exhausting all appeals doesn't mean someone
> actually committed the crime. There are numerous cases of people being exonerated
> and saved from death row. There are also numerous examples of innocent people who
> weren't saved. There have been innocent people put to death by our justice system.
> Were their lives not sacred?
>

Yeah a pro lifer would tell you those innocent people should not have gotten the death penalty.
MikeyWhoa
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1-Jan-2018(#40)
So as supporters of the death penalty, are we supporting it despite the fact that we know innocent people have, and will be killed? That doesn't seem like a stance someone who thinks "all life is sacred" should hold.

I don't believe all life is sacred. If one does, how do they rationalize this stance?

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MikeyWhoa wrote:
> So as supporters of the death penalty, are we supporting it despite the fact that
> we know innocent people have, and will be killed? That doesn't seem like a stance
> someone who thinks "all life is sacred" should hold.
>
> I don't believe all life is sacred. If one does, how do they rationalize this stance?
>
>

You support it only for the guilty.
Feeb
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1-Jan-2018(#42)
Policy cannot be based on exception.


If this is satisfied we move on. If not. It's an unfortunate fact of reality.

No one wants to kill innocents.
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Feeb wrote:
> Policy cannot be based on exception.
>
>
> If this is satisfied we move on. If not. It's an unfortunate fact of reality.
>
> No one wants to kill innocents.

Yes sir, you've wrapped that up like a chipotle burrito quite nicely.
MikeyWhoa
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1-Jan-2018(#44)
Feeb wrote:
> Policy cannot be based on exception.
>
>
> If this is satisfied we move on. If not. It's an unfortunate fact of reality.
>
> No one wants to kill innocents.

You see, I agree here. I truly believe the average person does not want to kill, or allow to be killed, an innocent. But they don't.

They believe a fifteen year old girl taking the morning after pill is a murderer. They believe a rape victim not wanting a constant reminder of her assault a murderer. The believe a young impressionable girl who's not ready for motherhood, and then decides with the father to terminate the pregnancy is a murderer. All of them guilty of murdering innocent babies in their eyes.


Feeb
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1-Jan-2018(#45)
Obviously wrong in those cases. I think those are exceptions. 90%+ of abortions are medical and before 15 weeks. The exceptions are what we all want to avoid.
DiamondDave
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The speed dating on this site is wonderful
ninesalone
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Iran 1960s

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ninesalone wrote:
> Iran 1960s
>
> [imgt w=670 h=382]https://i.imgur.com/vJyADOU.jpg[/imgt]

Look at all these damned feminazis reading and learning with their dresses and cute here just doing their thing.
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Digging that.
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Feeb
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That one's douchey.
DiamondDave
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8-Jan-2018(#56)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EITJ5mFV2CY

Not a meme, but it fits in with the only rule
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DiamondDave
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That's actually a fairly progressive stance. "Well, I was wrong, now I'm just pissed Idris Elba's English; screw James Bond man"
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9-Jan-2018(#59)
DiamondDave wrote:
> That's actually a fairly progressive stance. "Well, I was wrong, now I'm just pissed
> Idris Elba's English; screw James Bond man"

That's a very confusing example. What are you saying here? Progressives are hypercritical?
DiamondDave
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* 9-Jan-2018(#60)
No, I'm saying before the election, in the context of the meme, progressive people said being rich didn't mean you were a valid candidate.

Trump got elected; conservatives would still assert rich people make poor candidates if that were their stance before the election (and what a fudging joke THAT stance would be), while progressives tend to adapt more quickly to change and would now be open to a rich candidate of their own.
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9-Jan-2018(#61)
So the dems see what an amazing job Trump is doing and now think it's a good idea?
DiamondDave
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* 9-Jan-2018(#62)
I'm not sure why you're picking a fight on my sideways comment and are playing dumb, lol. Anyways, qualifications do not automatically mean you get an A grade for your job. Qualifications get you in the door. Before the election, being rich wasn't enough qualification. Trump got elected, suddenly being rich is a qualification. I'd say Trump and Oprah are equally fit to be President. They're both popular, they're both rich or at least purport to be, and they both have literally no idea how to run a country, command an army or have any actual political backgrounds whatsoever.

...And they're both on Twitter. Such a brave, new world.
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DiamondDave wrote:
> I'm not sure why you're picking a fight on my sideways comment and are playing dumb,
> lol. Anyways, qualifications do not automatically mean you get an A grade for your
> job. Qualifications get you in the door. Before the election, being rich wasn't
> enough qualification. Trump got elected, suddenly being rich is a qualification.
> I'd say Trump and Oprah are equally fit to be President.

I think I just got confused on what you were saying. The meme was about democrats' logic on this issue, which makes no sense.

Your personal view that that fact alone qualifies neither is sound.

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9-Jan-2018(#64)
Y'all must just surround yourself with some weird ass liberals who only do what's popular, because I haven't seen any real, normal person advocating for Oprah as president...
DiamondDave
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9-Jan-2018(#65)
No. Me either. Smells like fake news.
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theyrhere wrote:
> Y'all must just surround yourself with some weird ass liberals who only do what's
> popular, because I haven't seen any real, normal person advocating for Oprah as president...

I've seen plenty, of course the liberals in Texas are over the top, I mean we got Sheila Jackson Lee and her types over here..
DiamondDave
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9-Jan-2018(#67)
You'd have to be nuts to be a liberal in Texas. Suddenly this is making sense.
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9-Jan-2018(#68)
If Oprah really becomes the front runner democratic nominee, I'm fudging done.
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10-Jan-2018(#69)
DiamondDave wrote:
> You'd have to be nuts to be a liberal in Texas. Suddenly this is making sense.

Yeah well you really want to see some crazy idiocy come to Austin..
theyrhere
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10-Jan-2018(#70)
I have a buddy from Austin who's really progressive and he complains about how terrible and aggressive a lot of "progressives" there are.
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theyrhere wrote:
> I have a buddy from Austin who's really progressive and he complains about how terrible
> and aggressive a lot of "progressives" there are.

Yeah it's pretty annoying and crazy. Too bad there's so many of them they give normal people a bad name..
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10-Jan-2018(#72)
theyrhere wrote:
> Y'all must just surround yourself with some weird ass liberals who only do what's
> popular, because I haven't seen any real, normal person advocating for Oprah as president..

Same. Everyone is like fudge that noise.
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10-Jan-2018(#73)
King_link wrote:
> If Oprah really becomes the front runner democratic nominee, I'm fudging done.


I feel for you guys. I wish before you could run you had to have experience in politics. Being a talk show host or reality tv personality does not mean you can be leader of a country. We have a damn drama teacher leading this country and it sucks! Just gave 10 million to a damn child soldier well former soldier. I can't wait for the next election... Even provincially I am not sure I can vote Conservative, I don't mind the leader but he just has to many in the party that have outdated and out of touch views. I may have to vote Liberal, and that pains me... But it would be better then another NDP government!


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12-Jan-2018(#74)
Feeb
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12-Jan-2018(#75)
We are defending the use of the term "craphole." I can't do memes. Someone do a "forest for the trees" theme.
MikeyWhoa
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12-Jan-2018(#76)
No point. Just crappost. It's easier if you accept it now.
DiamondDave
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12-Jan-2018(#77)
Feeb wrote:
> We are defending the use of the term "craphole." I can't do memes. Someone do a "forest
> for the trees" theme.

The meme was kinda funny. Just detach yourself from the fact that he actually called another country a craphole (and then lied about it) and look at what it's saying.
ninesalone
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* 12-Jan-2018(#78)
Wait, it's a fact? He likely didn't even say it and as far as I've seen there is no proof. Even if he did, he wouldn't be wrong. There are certainly countries that are crapholes. Has ZERO to do with race and a lot to do with rampant crime/murder, holding women as property, literal slave trades, defecating in the streets... You know, crapholes..
DiamondDave
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12-Jan-2018(#79)
ninesalone wrote:
> Wait, it's a fact? He likely didn't even say it and as far as I've seen there is
> no proof.

What are you talking about? More than one person in the room said exactly what he said, Trump's BEST response to this is "That's not the language that was used." He fudging said it, lol. Do you need this on recorder before you believe the firsthand accounts, and if they are is this an illegal leak that should be fully investigated?
Finn
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12-Jan-2018(#80)
ninesalone wrote:
> Wait, it's a fact? He likely didn't even say it and as far as I've seen there is
> no proof. Even if he did, he wouldn't be wrong. There are certainly countries that
> are crapholes. Has ZERO to do with race and a lot to do with rampant crime/murder,
> holding women as property, literal slave trades, defecating in the streets... You
> know, crapholes..

FML, Trump can't do anything wrong and any time something comes out like this is a lie! You can think something, but that does not mean you should say it.... Not when your a leader of a country. Have some tact. Trump has none, and he shoes this day after day. He has a history of saying stuff like this well before he became President. He has been a douche for a long, long time why would he stop now?





Topic   Political Memes [the 2nd]