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Topic   Are some sports team names really offensive?

reneeatworld
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19-Sep(#1)
Every year there's talk about some sports teams having offensive team names or logos, such as the NFL's Washington Redskins, MLB's Cleveland Indians (Chief Wahoo), just to name a couple.

In today's society, everybody gets offended for anything. Some team names and logos have been around for decades, and now all of a sudden it's considered a great travesty to have 'offensive' team names in the U.S. But are the team names and logos legitimately offensive, or are they just victims of our current society?

If Chief Wahoo is offensive, I don't see why the Patriots or Nationals team names can't be equally offensive. Heck, the Boston Celtics should be an offensive team name also.

Without getting into any political or religious arguments, does anybody have any opinions on the subject?
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19-Sep(#2)
Sports team names are fine, people are just babies.

dracula
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19-Sep(#3)
Did any Indians ever object to the Redskins or Indians teamnames? If not, then who cares?

IIRC their mascots can be pretty obnoxious looking but that is pretty much the point.
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19-Sep(#4)
dracula wrote:
> Did any Indians ever object to the Redskins or Indians teamnames? If not, then who
> cares?
>
> IIRC their mascots can be pretty obnoxious looking but that is pretty much the point.
Nah, it is pretty much just leftists whining (as per norm).

tonymack21
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19-Sep(#5)
its definitely that people are babies and our society is way way too sensitive.

dracula
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19-Sep(#6)
Yeah, it's funny, but there is a small minority of whiny ice cream man leftists that makes them all look out of touch and unreasonable.
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* 19-Sep(#7)
Yes, but only because offensiveness is extremely subjective. Someone will be offended by just about anything.

theJaw
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* 19-Sep(#8)
Getting ready for all the tolerant neggers to nail this post.

Completely understandable for native Americans to find the sports names (and mostly logos/mascots) offensive. Sports leagues, as much as I enjoy them, are multi-million dollar corporations run by rich white folk. They name their teams "Redskins" and the like, and make money off caricatures of that culture, all the while those who the images are based off had their lands taken from them and genocide performed on them. If you're of native descent, I'd find it weird if you didn't think some of the names are at least a little weird.

Patriots and Celtics are obviously different stories. Patriots are people with pride for their country, Celtics are folks who were celebrated once they overcame their issues and immigrated here. And there are only those two teams using those particular images. Native Americans were killed off or transported away, and now have their likeness plastered on numerous teams for corporations to make millions off of.

I'm not a "baby" for acknowledging this, it's just history. I personally can't be offended because it has nothing to do with me or my heritage. But I can wholly understand why folks of those cultures think it's fudgeed up. Especially considering most sport mascots are animals.
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19-Sep(#9)
last i had seen many native American tribes were ok with the names, the redskins emblem was seen by most as a noble chief and some were glad their heritage was being preserved even in that way, you don't see many depictions of such things and most tribes didn't see it as a negative.

theJaw
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* 19-Sep(#10)
Where'd you see that? Haha

This has been a well documented sore spot of contention among the Native American population for quite some time.
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* 19-Sep(#11)
Are you supposed to say Native American, Indians, American Indians, or indigenous peoples now? I can never remember. I remember NA was the preferred term for a while, but then something about there being people here before them made them change it to American Indians I thought. Even their casinos they often name Indian gaming casinos.

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19-Sep(#12)
I just call them savages.

Just kidding, I call them Native Americans.

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* 19-Sep(#13)
@whitefire it's Native American. The only reason they're called Indians is because those super smart discoverers thought they were in India and never bothered to correct themselves- or, more likely, just didn't care to.

Calling them American Indians makes even less sense the continually calling them Indians haha

Indigenous people works too, obviously. It means the same thing as Native American.
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19-Sep(#14)
theJAwwww wrote:
> @whitefire it's Native American. The only reason they're called Indians is because
> those super smart discoverers thought they were in India and never bothered to correct
> themselves- or, more likely, just didn't care to.
>
> Calling them American Indians makes even less sense the continually calling them
> Indians haha
>
> Indigenous people works too, obviously. It means the same thing as Native American.

Aboriginals and other indigenous people would think otherwise.


theJaw
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* 19-Sep(#15)
No they wouldn't, if they naturally originated in America. They would still be native to America.
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* 19-Sep(#16)
except no one originated here? isn't the leading theory that all humans migrated to the north American continent at some time long ago? when Alaska and Russia were still connected by land bridge

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19-Sep(#17)
theJAwwww wrote:
> No they wouldn't, if they naturally originated in America. They would still be native
> to America.
I'm not sure you are understanding. Indigenous =/= Native American. What kind of Aboriginal originated in America? They wouldn't be Aboriginal. Neither would First Peoples.

theJaw
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19-Sep(#18)
Indigenous means native. "originating in and characteristic of a particular region or country; native." I'm obviously talking about indigenous Americans. Which would be a Native American by definition.
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* 19-Sep(#19)
@tonymack21 obviously no one ACTUALLY "originated" here. Life sprang up in Africa at the beginning of we're going to get that deep.

I'm talking societies. Native Americans were the leading "natives" in modern society.
tonymack21
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19-Sep(#20)
there are articles out there with polls saying 90% of native americans are not offended by the redskins, and then articles citing a single native American saying that's wrong, so its a big circle.

theJaw
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19-Sep(#21)
tonymack21 wrote:
> there are articles out there with polls saying 90% of native americans are not offended
> by the redskins, and then articles citing a single native American saying that's
> wrong, so its a big circle.
>
>

I'd love to see where you find these numbers lol
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19-Sep(#22)
theJAwwww wrote:
> @tonymack21 obviously no one ACTUALLY "originated" here. Life sprang up in Africa
> at the beginning of we're going to get that deep.
>
> I'm talking societies. Native Americans were the leading "natives" in modern society.

ya i feel you


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19-Sep(#23)
I am aware of what indigenous means. That is why I am telling you it does not mean Native American. Is a Native American indigenous? If you are in America yes. It is like the square/rectangle rules.

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19-Sep(#24)
theJAwwww wrote:
> tonymack21 wrote:
>> there are articles out there with polls saying 90% of native americans are not
> offended
>> by the redskins, and then articles citing a single native American saying that's
>> wrong, so its a big circle.
>>
>>
>
> I'd love to see where you find these numbers lol

the Washington post of all places, so it might be fake lol

theJaw
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* 19-Sep(#25)
Porksta wrote:
> I am aware of what indigenous means. That is why I am telling you it does not mean
> Native American. Is a Native American indigenous? If you are in America yes. It
> is like the square/rectangle rules.
>
>

Well that is literally the conversation - what to call Native AMERICANS. I know aboriginal Australians and other indigenous folk from other counties would disagree to being called Native Americans... obviously. But in this context, Native Americans can be considered indigenous people to America.
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19-Sep(#26)
tonymack21 wrote:
> theJAwwww wrote:
>> tonymack21 wrote:
> |>> there are articles out there with polls saying 90% of native americans are not
>> offended
> |>> by the redskins, and then articles citing a single native American saying that's
> |>> wrong, so its a big circle.
> |>>
> |>>
>>
>> I'd love to see where you find these numbers lol
>
> the Washington post of all places, so it might be fake lol
>
>

I actually just found that poll. From a small sample size and a small sample area. If I had to bet, I'd say the wording on the questionnaire should be taken into account but I can't find it.

Regardless numerous other polls have been conducted where the overall consensus is negative toward the silly team names.

Either way it's an interesting study for sure.
tonymack21
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* 19-Sep(#27)
i found another that compared a team name like redskins, which is always under fire this time of year because at one time that was considered a slur, and may still be i suppose, to other uses like Seminoles like FSU uses, and how its not the depiction of a native American chief or the use of the heritage but the name itself that is called into question, as opinion of Seminoles was not negative. so maybe that's a thing.

there are a lot of things named after native American stuff around here in north texas and we aren't far from Oklahoma here and native American influence and names are still a pretty big thing, and no one seems to mind any of that being named after it, so maybe its the redskins name specifically and previously the chief wahoo thing with the logo depicting a "red" character.

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* 19-Sep(#28)
i have always been surprised that Snyder didnt take the oportunity to rename the team to the Pathfinders or whatever, tons of marketing opportunity - logo, unis, ad revenue, etc, etc - that would seem to overcome losing the Redskin brand. More good PR than bad, and an excellent new revenue generator while quieting any negativity.

whats up with Cleveland, is there a lot of bad vibes about the Indians/Chief Wahoo?
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19-Sep(#29)
IIRC FSU got the support of a bunch of chiefs (local or otherwise) so the name is okay.

Just say the Washington football team is named after the potato.

theJaw
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19-Sep(#30)
Seminoles were a legitimate group of Native Americans. That's not nearly as bad as using a name like Redskins, which like you said was a slur for Native Americans as a whole, admittedly haha
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19-Sep(#31)
did Snyder at one time say that fan reaction was so overwhelmingly in favor of keeping the name that he couldn't risk the fan mutiny? i hate them anyway since i live in the middle of cowboy country lol

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19-Sep(#32)
Hell, my high school is still called the Rebels, I have no idea why there weren't protests about it.

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* 19-Sep(#33)
ya isn't one of the Mississippi colleges still that too? its all selective and whatever the media decides they should tell us to be upset about today.

i miss the 90s when people had better things to worry about than how statues and names made them feel.

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19-Sep(#34)
With all the boycotts and protests going on, I was really hoping traffic on Jefferson Davis Highway was going to be a lot lighter. I guess people say one thing, and do another.

theJaw
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19-Sep(#35)
It's not really up to us to decide this is a foolish thing to be offended about though. And media didn't commit genocide and pass these legitimate feelings within the culture, you know? The media just jumps AT the offended because controversy creates that ever elusive cha-ching.
theJaw
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19-Sep(#36)
And in turn, yeah, stirs it up a lot too. I feel that.
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* 19-Sep(#37)
Truthfully, it's probably NOT a big deal to most people of native descent anymore, I wouldn't be the one to ask. It's just part of the American culture now - for better or worse. I just don't think it's fair to crap on people whose people were affected by it and who voice their opinions on the subject.

But yah, if you see a white dude whining about it in 2017... it's a little too late.
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* 19-Sep(#38)
true, but on some level, you can choose whether to be hurt by something like this. every morning scrolling through the radio it hits the urban station and the dj's are very hateful and talking trash about white people, so i just keep scrolling the stations, i don't sit there and get mad. if an overwhelming majority of the native American community in the country had a real problem with it the Snyder family should at least consider it, i agree with that, but that's also an expense to re-brand everything, and he didn't create the name, so should he be fully liable to re-brand it? are the people with a problem willing to be part of the solution? should he even have to cave to their feelings? like many things in a society like ours there is usually more to the story.

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19-Sep(#39)
theJAwwww wrote:
> Truthfully, it's probably NOT a big deal to most people of native descent anymore,
> I wouldn't be the one to ask. It's just part of the American culture now - for better
> or worse. I just don't think it's fair to crap on people whose people were affected
> by it and who voice their opinions on the subject.
>
> But yah, if you see a white dude whining about it in 2017... it's a little too late.

i agree

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* 19-Sep(#40)
tonymack21 wrote:
> did Snyder at one time say that fan reaction was so overwhelmingly in favor of keeping
> the name that he couldn't risk the fan mutiny?

yes he did, i always thought that was just cover though, all those Washington football fans would turn to the Ravens?
More plusses to change, lots of hardcore football fans in that area.
Fans love buying new stuff!
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19-Sep(#41)
I'm a good portion native America and my Dad is like 75% Cree, he doesn't see what the big deal is with people getting offended about the Redskin name or the Cleveland Indians. He says he doesn't need "non-natives" getting offended for him and that's actually more insulting than the team names.
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19-Sep(#42)
dustin11 wrote:
> I'm a good portion native America and my Dad is like 75% Cree, he doesn't see what
> the big deal is with people getting offended about the Redskin name or the Cleveland
> Indians. He says he doesn't need "non-natives" getting offended for him and that's
> actually more insulting than the team names.

yes this is what i would think as well. i have some lineage in my family as well but not nearly that percentage, so far back its very little now. i used to date a girl who was 1/8 so she had some family who were much higher and if ever they cared they never mentioned it when dallas/Washington would play.

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19-Sep(#43)
dustin11 wrote:
> I'm a good portion native America and my Dad is like 75% Cree, he doesn't see what
> the big deal is with people getting offended about the Redskin name or the Cleveland
> Indians. He says he doesn't need "non-natives" getting offended for him and that's
> actually more insulting than the team names.
Woah now, does your dad realize he raise a gender-assumer?

KCPenguins
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19-Sep(#44)
Nobody is up in arms over the Fighting Irish, who's mascot is a pissed off drunken Irishman.

As for Redskins/Indians/etc., there is a portion of the Native American population who hate it, a much larger portion who embrace it, and likely an even larger portion who don't give a crap. I'd be with that middle population.
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19-Sep(#45)
Porksta wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> I'm a good portion native America and my Dad is like 75% Cree, he doesn't
> see what
>> the big deal is with people getting offended about the Redskin name or the Cleveland
>> Indians. He says he doesn't need "non-natives" getting offended
> for him and that's
>> actually more insulting than the team names.
> Woah now, does your dad realize he raise a gender-assumer?
>
>

You're right, I forgot this is 2017, I probably shouldn't have assumed my Dad's gender. lol.
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19-Sep(#46)
Lol.

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* 19-Sep(#47)
KCPenguins wrote:
> Nobody is up in arms over the Fighting Irish, who's mascot is a pissed off drunken
> Irishman.
>
> As for Redskins/Indians/etc., there is a portion of the Native American population
> who hate it, a much larger portion who embrace it, and likely an even larger portion
> who don't give a crap. I'd be with that middle population.

Well considering being a drunk Irish person gets its own celebrated holiday in the US, I'd say the stigma isn't quite the same haha

@dustin11 I agree with your dad on the non-native thing but I lived next door to a full blooded Native American for 23 years. He put up with it being a sports fan, but if you ever brought it up he'd have quite the tirade to go on haha. Redskin is a slur and good on your dad for not letting it get to him but it's definitely fair for native folks to feel upset about it too.
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19-Sep(#48)
I know more native American people who are upset over Christopher Columbus having a national holiday than ones that are offended by the name of an sports team.
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19-Sep(#49)
My wife and her step son is native American. I live within 45 mins of 4 reservations, and many love football around here. But they all find the name redskins offensive. They even had a thing going around trying to get the Washington redskins to change their name.

It is very offensive to native Americans. I see them everyday, all day long, at the grocery store, gas station, at the casino's(mainly)
The wife's family, I heard about a lot of stuff, not just about "redskins", but they don't like it. It's just that they cannot do anything about it.



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* 19-Sep(#50)
@dustin11 Yah for sure, same. And rightfully so. Regardless to how many we know though, it's still a valid thing to be upset about it if you're a member of that culture - even if not every member thinks so.
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19-Sep(#51)
They have every right to be offended by it, but we don't have the right to tell them that they should be offended about it.
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19-Sep(#52)
dustin11 wrote:
> I know more native American people who are upset over Christopher Columbus having
> a national holiday than ones that are offended by the name of an sports team.
>

How many native Americans do u know?

And yes, many don't like Columbus day either. At the one private native American school close by here, they didn't celebrate Christopher Columbus day, they celebrated protest day instead.

Scots
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19-Sep(#53)
No.
Karaiya
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19-Sep(#54)
The non natives are not getting upset for indigenous peoples. The indigenous American or Native Americans are absolutely not okay with the Redskins and the Cleveland Indians as a whole. Dustins father and other indigenous folks that fon't think its a big deal is okay too.

Considering the history of this country I think it is appropriate to change the names of the teams. We look back at history and say you knoe what? That is unjust and we change them. Confederate monuments, Jim Crow era laws, we should not be so quick to blow off what offends folks but should take time to listen. There are things that even I may noy think are a big deal however, I can empathize because I come from a marginalized group.


The Celtics were not wiped out through cultural genocide although having a history of oppression in Ireland by the English. The Patriots wouldnt be offensive to anyone. I think the rebels are ambiguous enough to kind of be okay a rebel can be a lot of things. Thats my opinion. But again, we usually take our own personal micro experiences and circumstances which are anecdotal and apply the to a macrocosim of systemic racism and appropriation. I think that is a mistake.

I would certainly take issue if a team was called the Blackies, or ninnypoos, or worse. Just empathy and understanding is to why folks might take offense is key. Many of us dont practice it. I dont myself sometimes.
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19-Sep(#55)
dustin11 wrote:
> They have every right to be offended by it, but we don't have the right to tell them
> that they should be offended about it.

Right. I don't think that's ever been the case though. Any attempt to change these things has been brought up by the various Native American groups in the country. White folks do have the right to empathize, however.

No white dude should be conjuring up this air of offense obviously, but again, it seems like most are content in forgetting about it all as opposed to "telling" Native Americans to be offended haha
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19-Sep(#56)
dustin11 wrote:
> I know more native American people who are upset over Christopher Columbus having
> a national holiday than ones that are offended by the name of an sports team.
>

I agree the day should be renamed and I agree that indigenous folks are way more upset about Columbus. That guys was really kind of aweful.if you read about him.
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19-Sep(#57)
SilverOwl wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> I know more native American people who are upset over Christopher Columbus having
>> a national holiday than ones that are offended by the name of an sports team.
>
>>
>
> How many native Americans do u know?
>
> And yes, many don't like Columbus day either. At the one private native American
> school close by here, they didn't celebrate Christopher Columbus day, they celebrated
> protest day instead.
>
>

Two of his old co-workers were full blood Sioux Indian from Montana and many of my Dad's relatives on his Dad's side are full blood Cree Indian. One of my Father in-law's friends who we golf with is full blooded Nisqually.
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19-Sep(#58)
Karaiya wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> I know more native American people who are upset over Christopher Columbus having
>> a national holiday than ones that are offended by the name of an sports team.
>
>>
>
> I agree the day should be renamed and I agree that indigenous folks are way more
> upset about Columbus. That guys was really kind of aweful.if you read about him.

Reading about him uncovers a pretty poorly misrepresented truth that the schools completely ignored when teaching the history of C.C. Thanksgiving has horrible origins too if you read on the history of that.
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* 19-Sep(#59)
Scots wrote:
> No.

Not for us to decide actually. It's easy for us not to be offended because there is no team called "The Crackers."

I can only imagine the crapstorm that would follow if that happened.
Karaiya
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* 19-Sep(#60)
Thats really cool. Your in Seattle Ivr had more exposure to indigenous folks living in the PNW and I have to say that they are significantly marginalized and oppressed and many of their stories are sad, tragic and discouraging.

Its hard to care about a team name as a native American when you are just trying to take care of your family. I know thatvfeeling all too well. I think your dadmakes a good point too though. Non indigenous people dont need to be the voice. I understand that sentiment.
Karaiya
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19-Sep(#61)
Remember that the millions of dollars these teams make, none of that is going to help Reservations.
dustin11
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19-Sep(#62)
The Seattle area has quite a few reservations and a lot of our towns and cities were named after different chief/tribes. Every boat in our ferry system was named after a specific tribe too.
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19-Sep(#63)
theJAwwww wrote:
> Scots wrote:
>> No.
>
> Not for us to decide actually. It's easy for us not to be offended because there
> is no team called "The Crackers."
>
> I can only imagine the crapstorm that would follow if that happened.

If a team wants to call themselves The Crackers, I think that would be hilarious.

I've decided that sports team names are not offensive. Thank you for your input.
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19-Sep(#64)
If you go back in history you'll find people that did horrible things, including native Americans. It's not like it was the garden of Eden when Columbus arrived.
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19-Sep(#65)
Don't forget the Atlanta Black Crackers!

Karaiya
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19-Sep(#66)
Scots wrote:
> theJAwwww wrote:
>> Scots wrote:
> |>> No.
>>
>> Not for us to decide actually. It's easy for us not to be offended because there
>> is no team called "The Crackers."
>>
>> I can only imagine the crapstorm that would follow if that happened.
>
> If a team wants to call themselves The Crackers, I think that would be hilarious.
>
> I've decided that sports team names are not offensive. Thank you for your input.

Have you ever thought you find it hilarious because you don't come from groups that were eradicated, enslaved, segregated, or gassed? Thats what is defined as a privilege. It makes being cynical much easier when you are not in the side that has historically been the butt of the joke.

Thank YOU for your input.
Karaiya
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19-Sep(#67)
ninesalone wrote:
> If you go back in history you'll find people that did horrible things, including
> native Americans. It's not like it was the garden of Eden when Columbus arrived.
>
People do horrible things Nines that is true. But some enslave or eradicate other races and cultures. This is not a meaningful point it is a deflection.
ninesalone
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19-Sep(#68)
Karaiya wrote:

> Have you ever thought you find it hilarious because you don't come from groups that
> were eradicated, enslaved, segregated, or gassed? Thats what is defined as a privilege.


Every group in history has been subject to enslavement, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

White countries, starting with England, were the first to declare slavery unlawful.
theJaw
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* 19-Sep(#69)
Scots wrote:
> theJAwwww wrote:
>> Scots wrote:
> |>> No.
>>
>> Not for us to decide actually. It's easy for us not to be offended because there
>> is no team called "The Crackers."
>>
>> I can only imagine the crapstorm that would follow if that happened.
>
> If a team wants to call themselves The Crackers, I think that would be hilarious.
>
> I've decided that sports team names are not offensive. Thank you for your input.

Lol I do agree the team name would rule, but you know people would crap themselves over it.

I mean, white folks take offense whenever black folks attempt to start civil group for crying out. If a sports team started making fun of us, the league would shut down until it was dealt with.

You're welcome for my input.
KCPenguins
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19-Sep(#70)
ninesalone wrote:
> If you go back in history you'll find people that did horrible things, including
> native Americans. It's not like it was the garden of Eden when Columbus arrived.
>


The Mormans think so.
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19-Sep(#71)
dustin11 wrote:
> SilverOwl wrote:
>> dustin11 wrote:
> |>> I know more native American people who are upset over Christopher Columbus having
> |>> a national holiday than ones that are offended by the name of an sports team.
>>
> |>>
>>
>> How many native Americans do u know?
>>
>> And yes, many don't like Columbus day either. At the one private native American
>> school close by here, they didn't celebrate Christopher Columbus day, they celebrated
>> protest day instead.
>>
>>
>
> Two of his old co-workers were full blood Sioux Indian from Montana and many of my
> Dad's relatives on his Dad's side are full blood Cree Indian. One of my Father in-law's
> friends who we golf with is full blooded Nisqually.

Sorry, that's not good enough, dustin. You have to know at least 34 Native Americans to give an opinion.

theJaw
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19-Sep(#72)
@ninesalone it was a lot less corrupt than it is now
Karaiya
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19-Sep(#73)
Thats 6th grade history. Youre still not addressing that we are now in a more civilized world where we must at some point look at our history and discuss what is just. Don't point the finger the other way because it is an uncomfortable discussion.

Also, I havent forgotten about the PM you sent. I will respond. I thought the video was interesting. It'll be a good discussion. I hope youre well Nines.
KCPenguins
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19-Sep(#74)
Also, this should be in politics. @bill
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* 19-Sep(#76)
i would like to have been in the room during the Washington discussion, dollars, cents and aggravation factors must have been interesting.

so are the Indians taking some chit?
theJaw
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19-Sep(#77)
KCPenguins wrote:

That poll was already addressed earlier.

I'll post other polls when I'm home from work just for you. wink
Archer
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19-Sep(#78)
Yes. Lots of sports teams names are very offensive.
Packers, Steelers, Browns, Bills, Patriots, Cowboys, Buccaneers, 49ers, Celtics, Wizards, Knicks, Magic, 76ers, Warriors, Jazz, Kings, Lakers, Yankees, Twins, Pirates, Reds, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, and Padres.

All of these names are super offensive. They should all be forced to change their names.
theJaw
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19-Sep(#79)
@Archer None of those are named after a group of folks native to this country who had genocide performed on them in order to acquire their lands where there would eventually be caricatures of their culture used for the marketing of multiple teams across multiple sports in order to make money for folks with very similar ideals to the ones performing said genocide tho yes
Archer
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19-Sep(#80)
What I've also found funny about this "debate", is no one ever brings up the Kansas City Chiefs. Chief is just as derogatory as Redskin. Actually its even more so. Because no one in this day and age calls a Native American a redskin. But they sure as fudge call them chief. And never in a polite way.

Topic   Are some sports team names really offensive?