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Topic   Where'dugo, guys?

MikeyWhoa
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1-Aug(#1)
So, did all the Trump supporters bail or what? I know things look bad, but you didn't have to leave. Does somebody wanna check r/The_Donald to see if they settled there?

Big ups to @Dustin and @Scots for hanging, even if they don't contribute a bunch.




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Dustin
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1-Aug(#2)
We got tired of all the winning.
Scots
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2-Aug(#3)
I know that many need this space to grieve and commiserate. It's a safe space.
Osiris
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2-Aug(#4)
I guess his battles with the media and intelligence communities aren't enough basis for Trump success any more. There is still immigration and Gorsuch to talk about.

The Trump claims of responsibility for US economic indicators would be potent, but under scrutiny the reasons for that are not
as clearcut as Trump would like us to think.

Is economic anti-globalism and withdrawal of American influence from world affairs going well?
Karaiya
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* 2-Aug(#5)
You guys who support Trump like strong national defense and war and stuff. We might be doing that! You guys don't want to come and praise that!? Trump is taking a hard nose stance on NK and blaming Obama and Killary for not doing it.

Its an exciting time I encourage your participation. Come talk about war.

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Scots
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2-Aug(#6)
Kim Young Uno gonna feel the wrath of 45!!!
Karaiya
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2-Aug(#7)
Ha! He is.

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ninesalone
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2-Aug(#8)
Had a lot going on in life lately and honestly don't see myself trading anytime soon. I ended up giving out over a year of subtime to participants of this forum and asked Bill to purge my account.

I regret having bill delete my account. I like how this site catalogs my collection and perhaps sometime soon I'll get back into trading. I shouldn't have acted so hastily.

I find myself stepping back away from this forum a lot. Perhaps I've been a hypocrite in some regards, but I'd really like to avoid personally attacking users here and talk about the issues. That seems to be happening at some level now. I'll be back to stay.
MikeyWhoa
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2-Aug(#9)
Welcome home brother! And thanks for the sublime before. It's here if you need it.




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Karaiya
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2-Aug(#10)
Welcome back Nines, we should also avoid personally attacking you. I'm glad to have you back.

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DiamondDave
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* 2-Aug(#11)
Dustin wrote:
> We got tired of all the winning.

It's gotta be brutal at this point.

Welcome back, Nines!
Dustin
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2-Aug(#12)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>> We got tired of all the winning.
>
> It's gotta be brutal at this point.

What exactly would that be? Not having Hilary in office? Nah, not brutal. Not having socialist Sanders in office? Nah not brutal. Having Trump in office? Never supported him personally, but did like some things he represented.
DiamondDave
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2-Aug(#13)
...I meant winning all the time.
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2-Aug(#14)
DiamondDave wrote:
> ...I meant winning all the time.

Well that's always been awesome.
Scots
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2-Aug(#15)
I'm tired but it's only because I had a long day today.
Karaiya
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2-Aug(#16)
It's 108 degrees in Portland.

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Osiris
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2-Aug(#17)
Karaiya wrote:
> It's 108 degrees in Portland.

no way! yes way?
>
>
MikeyWhoa
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2-Aug(#18)
Karaiya wrote:
> It's 108 degrees in Portland.
>
>

See. If climate change was real, why is it trying to kill liberals?





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Osiris
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2-Aug(#19)
left coast sweatin'? more precipitation, less agitatin!
Karaiya
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2-Aug(#20)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Karaiya wrote:
>> It's 108 degrees in Portland.
>>
>>
>
> See. If climate change was real, why is it trying to kill liberals?
>
>
>

This is the best comment. I will be stealing this and saying to my snowflake friends as we melt. Good show old boy!


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ninesalone wrote:
> Had a lot going on in life lately and honestly don't see myself trading anytime soon.
> I ended up giving out over a year of subtime to participants of this forum and asked
> Bill to purge my account.
>
> I regret having bill delete my account. I like how this site catalogs my collection
> and perhaps sometime soon I'll get back into trading. I shouldn't have acted so hastily.
>
>
> I find myself stepping back away from this forum a lot. Perhaps I've been a hypocrite
> in some regards, but I'd really like to avoid personally attacking users here and
> talk about the issues. That seems to be happening at some level now. I'll be back
> to stay.



Politics are a hot button issue for sure, but I am sure most leave whats said here in this forum. Just because I don't agree with "X" person here does not mean I think they are a crapty person! one of my best friends is a Trump supporter and I often disagree with her political views yet she is a groomsman in my wedding next year. I have read other posts of years and I personally think your a pretty good guy so for what it's worth I am glad you are back and can understand wanting to take a step back.

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3-Aug(#22)
ninesalone wrote:
> I regret having bill delete my account. I like how this site catalogs my collection
> and perhaps sometime soon I'll get back into trading. I shouldn't have acted so hastily.

If you contact Bill, he can usually restore listings after someone does this. You're not the first to regret the decision.
ninesalone
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3-Aug(#23)
Grenadier wrote:
> ninesalone wrote:
>> I regret having bill delete my account. I like how this site catalogs my collection
>> and perhaps sometime soon I'll get back into trading. I shouldn't have acted so
> hastily.
>
> If you contact Bill, he can usually restore listings after someone does this. You're
> not the first to regret the decision.

Bill actually reached out to me and restored my listings/bio.
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4-Aug(#24)
I think it's the lack of humility that really gets to me. I can handle opposing views on issues, that's the way politics go. It's the personal character flaws that tend to coincide with narcissism and lack of empathy that is hard to stomach.
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6-Aug(#25)
Karaiya wrote:
> It's 108 degrees in Portland.
>
>
The dream of the 90's is alive in Portland.
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6-Aug(#26)
The dream of Northern Californians is alive in Portland

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7-Aug(#27)
King_link wrote:
> I think it's the lack of humility that really gets to me. I can handle opposing views
> on issues, that's the way politics go. It's the personal character flaws that tend
> to coincide with narcissism and lack of empathy that is hard to stomach.

Pretty much this.

I used to participate a little and I don't have anything against anyone who posts here, but it seems all this forum really was was people not really discussing things but talking at each other with no one really listening, puerile name calling and overall nothing really social redeeming. The memes thread was OK and I still lurk sometimes for a laugh.

yes I voted for Trump (and would do so again against Clinton) and yes I have other thoughts and such, but it seems pointless to post any of them here. It really has nothing to do with how things are or whether you like Trump or not or the media or not etc. Some of us just don't like talking to brick walls I would guess is the main reason this forum has mostly died out, from both sides of the aisle..

I pretty much immediately bail from any conversation where I see it's not really a "conversation" at all, in any situation, online or real life
Karaiya
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* 7-Aug(#28)
This election folks drew lines in the sand. That happens in a polarized society it starts to come to a head. We will get nuked by NK and everything will go back to being great again.

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* 7-Aug(#29)
longhornsk57 - thanks for creating the forum, sorry it's not more welcoming and issue oriented.
I have found it very helpful in hearing views from users in different locations and demographics.
Hope you will chime in if and when there is specific policy discussion.
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7-Aug(#30)
Osiris wrote:
> longhornsk57 - thanks for creating the forum, sorry it's not more welcoming and issue
> oriented.
> I have found it very helpful in hearing views from users in different locations and
> demographics.
> Hope you will chime in if yhere is policy talk.

No worries man.

If the forum toned down a bit and I thought we could have actual civilized discussions I would for sure. Maybe it's just the emotions that run wild politically or something.

I'm glad it's in its own section though for sure.
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longhornsk57 wrote:
> Osiris wrote:
>> longhornsk57 - thanks for creating the forum, sorry it's not more welcoming and
> issue
>> oriented.
>> I have found it very helpful in hearing views from users in different locations
> and
>> demographics.
>> Hope you will chime in if yhere is policy talk.
>
> No worries man.
>
> If the forum toned down a bit and I thought we could have actual civilized discussions
> I would for sure. Maybe it's just the emotions that run wild politically or something.
>
> I'm glad it's in its own section though for sure.

I can see exactly why you stepped away from the forum and I too hope it gets toned down. The level of venom aimed at me recently had me questioning the point of this forum at all.

As @Osiris said I do appreciate getting other perspectives from people and perhaps I'm naive... But I think we can have a healthy discussion here eventually. I liked it when it first started and we had "The Right Discussion" and the same for the left. Regardless of how it's structured though, the forum would be much better if everyone just agreed not to attack each other personally.
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ninesalone wrote:
> longhornsk57 wrote:
>> Osiris wrote:
> |>> longhornsk57 - thanks for creating the forum, sorry it's not more welcoming and
>> issue
> |>> oriented.
> |>> I have found it very helpful in hearing views from users in different locations
>> and
> |>> demographics.
> |>> Hope you will chime in if yhere is policy talk.
>>
>> No worries man.
>>
>> If the forum toned down a bit and I thought we could have actual civilized discussions
>> I would for sure. Maybe it's just the emotions that run wild politically or something.
>>
>> I'm glad it's in its own section though for sure.
>
> I can see exactly why you stepped away from the forum and I too hope it gets toned
> down. The level of venom aimed at me recently had me questioning the point of this
> forum at all.
>
> As @Osiris said I do appreciate getting other perspectives from people and perhaps
> I'm naive... But I think we can have a healthy discussion here eventually. I liked
> it when it first started and we had "The Right Discussion" and the same for the left.
> Regardless of how it's structured though, the forum would be much better if everyone
> just agreed not to attack each other personally.


I don't get it man. Truly. Not "troll-y".

You yearn for civil discourse and insightful conversation in one paragraph. In the very next, you announce your displeasure for @POG's "The Right Discussion" forum being gone, which was literally a safe space for bashing the left very harshly.

I know I've been hard on you. But you have to see why certainly. One moment you're posting stuff like this...

Favorite SJW/Liberal Meltdown of 2016?

...which is fine. No problems. Lambaste them and gloat if you want. But, if you do, please don't start getting upset when they do the same to you, and claim that they're the ones spitting venom.

WE are spitting venom. All of us. Collectively.

I am very guilty of it. I unapologetically accept responsibility for everything word and image I've ever posted here. But, when I tried to avoid the venom, and ask questions to YOU personally, you ignore them. Constantly. You say you want civil discourse, but you don't often SHOW that you want it.

I don't want to single you out. There are lots of times my specific questions and conversations get ignored. But of those, you're the only one who consistently is upset that the discourse doesn't exist.

Seriously man. Just truth and no disrespect. Just calling it like I see it.

What gives?





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MikeyWhoa wrote:

> You yearn for civil discourse and insightful conversation in one paragraph. In the
> very next, you announce your displeasure for @POG's "The Right Discussion" forum
> being gone, which was literally a safe space for bashing the left very harshly.

I think those on the left should have the same. I'm more talking about what Scots started. Both sides had a thread when this forum started. I think there is value in talking with other conservatives because conservatives don't always agree, nor do all liberals agree on everything. Sometimes it's easier to sort out an idea you're having with people that don't fundamentally oppose you on the most basic level.

> I know I've been hard on you. But you have to see why certainly. One moment you're
> posting stuff like this...
>
>
> ...which is fine. No problems. Lambaste them and gloat if you want. But, if you do,
> please don't start getting upset when they do the same to you, and claim that they're
> the ones spitting venom.


There is a huge difference between that and personal attacks aimed at users.

> WE are spitting venom. All of us. Collectively.

I honestly try not to do that, though maybe I have failed. This is why I declared above that I will be avoiding that regardless.

> I am very guilty of it. I unapologetically accept responsibility for everything word
> and image I've ever posted here. But, when I tried to avoid the venom, and ask questions
> to YOU personally, you ignore them. Constantly. You say you want civil discourse,
> but you don't often SHOW that you want it.

I'll be honest here too. Many of your responses to me I'm not interested in responding to. From where I sit, they are littered with logical fallacies and links to sources long discredited. I have had civil discourse with you before (global warming comes to mind) and I hope you acknowledge that.

Also, this sort of crap overshadows the actual discourse. Not too long ago I was talking about Canada and their healthcare system. Finn had much to say on it (being a Canadian) and it gave me lots to think about. I came back to respond and I found myself on the defensive (again). Nasty comments like "I feel sorry for your children" and comments about my marriage. Don't get me wrong, I'm not weeping over it... I just want to see it end. I think a lot of users see these interactions and stay away. I can't blame them...

If this stops we may see more traffic here. I'll do my part.

yankees7448
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7-Aug(#34)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Karaiya wrote:
>> It's 108 degrees in Portland.
>>
>>
>
> See. If climate change was real, why is it trying to kill liberals?
>
>
>

That was fudging hysterical.
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i do support the hard stance on NK, it doesn't just need to be us though, our allies need to join in removing the dictatorship the innocent people of NK deserve better, we spent more money and time on saddam Hussein than it would take to obliterate those backwater third worlders. if the UN coalition went in there it could be over in a day.

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8-Aug(#36)
I support shut them down permanently. The concern is that NK will pummel SK. Seoul being on the border resulting in hundreds of thousands of lives. Thats not a good thing at all. That includes the lives of US troops. But yes. If they get their hands on a nuke that can reach intervention will be too late. Get rid of that regime now.

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Karaiya wrote:
> I support shut them down permanently. The concern is that NK will pummel SK. Seoul
> being on the border resulting in hundreds of thousands of lives. Thats not a good
> thing at all. That includes the lives of US troops. But yes. If they get their
> hands on a nuke that can reach intervention will be too late. Get rid of that regime
> now.
>
>

for sure, I cant believe no one has but I can at the same time.

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MikeyWhoa
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8-Aug(#38)
Yesterday Trump criticized the media again for being fake. Today, he's all fire and brimstone about North Korea based on WaPo reporting. Needs to make up his mind.

Furthermore, despite what your opinion on North Korea may be, it is odd watching Trump, and mostly his supporters going all-in on the Clinton-style regime change foreign policy.




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NK may be the one thing WaPo can get right, but i think agreeing NK Jong regime is evil is easy regardless of party lines. the thing about NK is there is no structure other than the regime, the country needs an infrastructure built and a government set up but that wouldnt happen overnight. the resistance might be in favor of a united Korea and letting the south Korean government step in?

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8-Aug(#40)
Wait, did this Washington Post article actually cite anonymous sources? ROFL
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8-Aug(#41)
Everyone cool with Trump instigating nuclear war or just not talking about it yet?
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Is there anything to talk about? Both KJ and DT are retarded. It's probably going to escalate. Lots of people have a nonzero chance of being wiped from existence while they measure one another's cocks. At this point you have to just kinda ...let it happen.

Remember, we're not officially at war unless Congress approves first!
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DiamondDave wrote:
> Is there anything to talk about? Both KJ and DT are retarded. It's probably going
> to escalate. Lots of people have a nonzero chance of being wiped from existence
> while they measure one another's cocks. At this point you have to just kinda ...let
> it happen.
>
> Remember, we're not officially at war unless Congress approves first!

I do expect escalation of the conflicts. NK first probably.


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Karaiya
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* 8-Aug(#44)
It will escalate into a crisis however, this isn't JFK at the helm this is Donald ficking Trump a man enchanted by masculinity and posturing power. We might be fudgeed. This is a man that will make an executive order. Hopefully his ambassodor and the rest of Washington cam keep him on a leash.

Congress will go to war on this.

I doubt it.

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Ya we will see. It'd be nice to see someone else take the lead on it but I guess being number one comes with a price

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8-Aug(#46)
NK is escalating things.
yankees7448
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9-Aug(#47)
tonymack21 wrote:
> i do support the hard stance on NK, it doesn't just need to be us though, our allies
> need to join in removing the dictatorship the innocent people of NK deserve better,
> we spent more money and time on saddam Hussein than it would take to obliterate
> those backwater third worlders. if the UN coalition went in there it could be over
> in a day.
>
>

I do not. North Korea is no threat. They have been doing this same nonsense for years and our military is stretched thin as it is.
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* 9-Aug(#48)
Scots wrote:
> NK is escalating things.

I agree. Although I think Trumps theatrics are ridiculous and dangerous this regime will look for anything to justify an attack.

Trump needs to be careful with both what he says, but with what he does IMO. A preemptive strike on NK would not go over well internationally but, waiting for these crazy folks to strike is also a gamble. Its not an easy decision.

I appreciate how Haley and Tillerson handle this particular issue with poise. Despite the rhetoric from a bafoon. To me, they have shown themselves capable of the task of diplomacy on the world stage. I'm not a fan of a lot of Tillerson stuff but, I have confidence in him as a diplomat on this issue.


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yankees7448 wrote:
> tonymack21 wrote:
>> i do support the hard stance on NK, it doesn't just need to be us though, our
> allies
>> need to join in removing the dictatorship the innocent people of NK deserve better,
>> we spent more money and time on saddam Hussein than it would take to obliterate
>> those backwater third worlders. if the UN coalition went in there it could be
> over
>> in a day.
>>
>>
>
> I do not. North Korea is no threat. They have been doing this same nonsense for years
> and our military is stretched thin as it is.

This is not accurate. NK has been doing this for years without a nuclear weapon now they have capability.

Our military doesn't lack any resources. Although, a war on the Korean Pennisula would cost lives our Navy isn't stretched as thin as some may think. Its fairly massive. But youre right that we should get our troops out of the middle east.


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* 9-Aug(#50)
I agree that militarily they are no threat, but the conditions in which they allow their people to live is appalling. if we ousted Hussein in the name of freedom for the innocent (ya I know it wasn't that) then these guys need to be taken down the terrority restored to one korea

I also agree on the middle east, those people have been fighting since recorded history and are not going to stop, regardless of what the US presence is there.

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* 9-Aug(#51)
So what's up?

Guided missile cruiser(s) with anti missile capability positioned to protect Guam and possibly Japan?
Back channel diplomacy to China that any attack on US interests (best to be clear on what those are) will be exceeded by US retaliation on NK military assets?
Warn NK, China etc that any NK attack on SK in response to US retaliation will be met with conventional attacks on NK artillery and other installations?
-Probably goes without saying that any US retaliation is conventional weapons only, too fudging crowded over there.

-Think any of our so called pallies (youknowwho) have been providing covert tech help to NK in missile advancement?
-Think China and Russia will do what UN sanctions outline, or does US have to consider secondary trade sanctions on those and other countries who circumvent UN sanctions covertly? Pretty ballsy to do, trade war territory.
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9-Aug(#52)
Unless you can make a deal with NK general or generals, and get China's active consent, regime change in NK is a pipe dream.

We will see if the sanctions are carried out as promised, and impact the NK civilians enough to create unrest.

I heard 34% of NK population is NK military connected in some way.
Top dogs will get taken care of, sanctions or no, groundlings unlikely.
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yankees7448 wrote:
> tonymack21 wrote:
>> i do support the hard stance on NK, it doesn't just need to be us though, our
> allies
>> need to join in removing the dictatorship the innocent people of NK deserve better,
>> we spent more money and time on saddam Hussein than it would take to obliterate
>> those backwater third worlders. if the UN coalition went in there it could be
> over
>> in a day.
>>
>>
>
> I do not. North Korea is no threat. They have been doing this same nonsense for years
> and our military is stretched thin as it is.
This, they are nothing but hot air when it comes to the US, and they have proven this time and time again, if we get nuked it will most likely be by whatever group NK sells their shoddily made wares to, but they're not going to come out and attack us.
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9-Aug(#54)
It is likely mostly posturing..but just because we are America doesn't mean it should be ok to make threats against us and we also can't ignore that no matter how insignificant as a military (non)power they may be. They are quite capable of striking US interests and Japan, who we are responsible for. That guy is crazy and he may just snap one day.

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10-Aug(#55)
Karaiya wrote:
> yankees7448 wrote:
>> tonymack21 wrote:
> |>> i do support the hard stance on NK, it doesn't just need to be us though, our
>> allies
> |>> need to join in removing the dictatorship the innocent people of NK deserve better,
> |>> we spent more money and time on saddam Hussein than it would take to obliterate
> |>> those backwater third worlders. if the UN coalition went in there it could be
>> over
> |>> in a day.
> |>>
> |>>
>>
>> I do not. North Korea is no threat. They have been doing this same nonsense for
> years
>> and our military is stretched thin as it is.
>
> This is not accurate. NK has been doing this for years without a nuclear weapon
> now they have capability.
>
> Our military doesn't lack any resources. Although, a war on the Korean Pennisula
> would cost lives our Navy isn't stretched as thin as some may think. Its fairly
> massive. But youre right that we should get our troops out of the middle east.
>
>
>

They've had nuclear weapons for quite sometime. What's so SCARY is there increasing ability to hit American targets with missiles with improved range.

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10-Aug(#56)
The Donald is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, as is usually the case with presidents. The other party will criticize either way. If he takes action and doesn't ignore these threats and whoops that ass he will get criticized for war mongering and trying to be power man and police the world..and If he brushes it off and dismisses and does nothing and something happens and nk strikes a target it will be wtf all the signs were there you let this happen.

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* 10-Aug(#57)
I think they blame it on his rhetoric. Scots mentioned what governor of Guam said. Of course he wants the president to say that he lives on the island that would get fudging destroyed and she'd be turned to ash.

Many of my aunts and uncles live there which is of great concern for me. So even for me, I'm like yeah say that crap. But I'm not sure that Trump does grasp the gravity of a nuclear strike and what it does to a place not just on impact and environmentally for years. Again I believe he is enchanted in the way a child is playing king with army men and loyal subjects but doesnt realize these are very real lives at stake.

He lack the ability to pick and choose words strategically meaning his generals Mattis, and SoT, and ambassadors need to interpret. The problem is that we don't know when to take him seriously and Pyongyang sure as hell doesnt know because there isnt an ambassador to NK or SK right now.

So yeah like someone mentioned earlier, the president is yelling at NK across a fudging creek not only that, over the Heads of South Korea. A city with one of the most densly populated cities in the world.

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10-Aug(#58)
ya if they mess up and attack Seoul its gonna be instawar

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theJaw
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10-Aug(#59)
Both sides are escalating things. NK is bizarro world for sure, but measuring your dick via threats on Twitter or public interviews is tactless and dangerous. Terrible leadership at a time where someone with an actual thought process should be calling the shots.
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10-Aug(#60)
its the Reagan formula, he was never afraid to say whatever on tv either even if its not what people wanted to hear. he wasn't always always PC and appropriate and the Donald has been following that formula all along.

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theJaw
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10-Aug(#61)
Has nothing to do with being PC. It's about running the country in a way that you don't lay your cards out for the other side to see. Openly promising "fire and fury" puts our military at a smaller advantage than if he just kept his mouth shut. I have military buddies who even feel like he's doing a disservice with how he's handling this. Just not smart to poke the bear when your own intelligence is telling you not to.

Also, Reagan was a fudging crapty president.
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10-Aug(#62)
im not saying its necessarily the best way, its just what it seems like to me

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* 10-Aug(#63)
For sure. But if you acknowledge it's not right, why the lack of criticism? I feel like people leaning right are being too complacent with this dude's actions because they don't want to be associated with the "other" side. This has gone past political alignment. Trump is not acting in favor of the US, he's acting anyway that he feels would make himself look strong. To most of his followers, Regan-style public threats are like watching Supernan step up to bat and he knows that. This stuff is getting a little ridiculous. War is on the horizon and Trump is not fit to lead us into it.
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10-Aug(#64)
I think he'll be the figurehead but if it breaks out ill bet its mostly Mattis and his team calling the real shots. and youre right about the other side thing, I don't like this political climate where you cant be moderate anymore

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Scots
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10-Aug(#65)
Trump has said a lot of stupid things. To me, this isn't one of them. It's refreshing to have a president who will say unapologetically that if you mess with us, or our allies, we will light you up.
theJaw
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* 10-Aug(#66)
That's the exact same thing Kim Jong-Un is doing. Trump is just saying the same crap. It's a nuclear pissing contest.

It's bullheaded and like I said, a detriment to the overall situation. Again, we're past the point that tough guy mannerisms in the White House are going to help anything. If we get attacked after he's been live-tweeting threats despite his own intelligence, the people that he should be paying attention to, explained the situation we're in, part of the blame falls on Trump. Easily.

There's no defending his, or Jong-Un's, high school student strategies.
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10-Aug(#67)
This is a country that has threatened to NUKE us. To criticize our President for stating that we will respond to force with force is ridiculous to me.
theJaw
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* 10-Aug(#68)
They threatened to nuke us after Trump was threatening them & telling China to "deal with them."

To drop to the high school standards our president resides, "he started it."
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10-Aug(#69)
Oh please. They've been building these weapons for years and years. It's all been building to a head for a long time. Trump might have to be the President who deals with an enemy directly.

But yeah, go with the he started it piece. Good grief.
theJaw
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10-Aug(#70)
Dude they were never threatening us until his bullcrap. You really need to stop sucking this guy off at some point. He's doing a lot less good for the majority of the country than you're willing to admit and it's unfortunate that you wouldn't hold him accountable if bombs starting dropping.

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10-Aug(#71)
Oh a gay analogy insult - nice.

I've been the first to say that Trump is a buffoon. There's plenty of stuff you can criticize him for. By criticizing him for stating that we'll use force in response to force, you minimize other actually legitimate criticisms.
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10-Aug(#72)
theJAwwww wrote:
> They threatened to nuke us after Trump was threatening them & telling China to "deal
> with them."
>
> To drop to the high school standards our president resides, "he started it."
How many times has North Korea threaten us before now? I'm pretty sure it's more than zero.
theJaw
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10-Aug(#73)
I said "suck off," which is something straight people do when they like something a lot too. Very obviously not calling you gay, I just know you can take some sarcasm considering you've dished out your fair share. You're not superior for pointing out my turn of phrase.

You can say you're critical of Trump until you're blue in the face, but you're only kidding yourself. You more than most seem fully on board.

Trump is partly at fault for the growing tensions. Sorry fellas, but that's the truth. He's not helping the situation. I'll leave it at that.
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* 10-Aug(#75)
Whoa ninesalone popped out of nowhere! Didn't see THAT coming...!
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10-Aug(#76)
theJAwwww wrote:
> Whoa ninesalone popped out of nowhere! Didn't see THAT coming...!
> wink love

That's what we were thinking about you.
theJaw
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10-Aug(#77)
Dustin wrote:
> theJAwwww wrote:
>> Whoa ninesalone popped out of nowhere! Didn't see THAT coming...!
>> wink love
>
> That's what we were thinking about you.

You alt-righters do get pretty obsessive.
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* 10-Aug(#78)
theJAwwww wrote:

> You can say you're critical of Trump until you're blue in the face, but you're only
> kidding yourself. You more than most seem fully on board.

I've said from the beginning that he wasn't my choice and I've called him a buffoon on here numerous times. So it's not about kidding anyone - it's just a fact.

So I guess your definition of being "fully on board" includes calling someone a buffoon, stating that there's a lot to criticize him for, and not voting for him in the primary.
theJaw
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10-Aug(#79)
Scots wrote:
> theJAwwww wrote:
>
>> You can say you're critical of Trump until you're blue in the face, but you're
> only
>> kidding yourself. You more than most seem fully on board.
>
> I've said from the beginning that he wasn't my choice and I've called him a buffoon
> on here numerous times. So it's not about kidding anyone - it's just a fact.
>
> So I guess you're definition of being "fully on board" includes calling someone a
> buffoon, stating that there's a lot to criticize him for, and not voting for him
> in the primary.

Your*

And yeah, you're fully on board. Woopedy doo, you call him a buffoon. Awesome. You also defend him at literally every turn, despite there being lots to criticize him for.

So yeah, you can say one thing but the way you jump at any criticism of him paints an entirely different picture. Keep being you though, would expect no less.
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10-Aug(#80)
theJAwwww wrote:

> And yeah, you're fully on board. Woopedy doo, you call him a buffoon. Awesome. You
> also defend him at literally every turn, despite there being lots to criticize him
> for.


I also am willing to criticize him Trump on a number of issues and I'm probably more of a 'supporter' than others on here. What about the inverse? Are you willing to acknowledge anything positive coming from this administration?

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