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Topic   3 year subscription option gone?

dunno001
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally This user is on the site NOW (10 minutes ago)
13-Dec(#1)
In a few weeks, I should be getting a holiday bonus from work. But I noticed on the page that there is no longer an option for the 3 years for $55. Has this option gone away for good?


Kblazer883
Gold Good Trader Has Written 2 Reviews
13-Dec(#2)
I already asked about this. @bill said he got rid of it a little while back. Whether it's gone for good I cannot say.
SirConnery
GameTZ Subscriber 1000 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
14-Dec(#3)
I'm also wondering if we'll have a future option of mining BillCoin in the mobile app?
bill
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 600 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (15) Has Written 26 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (4 minutes ago)
14-Dec(#4)
I removed the 3 year subscription option on September 29th, 2017. I've had a couple people ask me about it privately since then. I guess I could be talked into bringing it back, though it seems best to me to remove it. Here are my reasons:

o GameTZ has been in a long, slow decline (less usage over time in general). 3 years is a long time. I've started to wonder if the site will still be around in 3 year and/or if it will be as useful to traders at that point. Thus, I started to feel uncomfortable selling a 3 year subscription.

o The 3 year option hasn't been used very often, especially in recent years. It's also only a small savings over the 1 year option (1 year @ $20 = $60 vs. 3 year @ $55 is $5 saved over 3 years or $1.67 saved per year). It's always been an unusual option (few other sites that do subscriptions have a 3 year option from what I've seen).
Dustin
GameTZ Subscriber 650 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally This user is on the site NOW (6 minutes ago)
14-Dec(#5)
bill wrote:
> o GameTZ has been in a long, slow decline (less usage over time in general). 3 years
> is a long time. I've started to wonder if the site will still be around in 3 year
> and/or if it will be as useful to traders at that point. Thus, I started to feel
> uncomfortable selling a 3 year subscription.
>

What is this blasphemy? I don't know what I'd do without GTZ!
tonymack21
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 450 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 3 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (3 minutes ago)
14-Dec(#6)
Dustin wrote:
> bill wrote:
>> o GameTZ has been in a long, slow decline (less usage over time in general).
> 3 years
>> is a long time. I've started to wonder if the site will still be around in 3
> year
>> and/or if it will be as useful to traders at that point. Thus, I started to feel
>> uncomfortable selling a 3 year subscription.
>>
>
> What is this blasphemy? I don't know what I'd do without GTZ!


same, I hope this isn't true, I know you cant sustain it on peanuts but id bet the high end of the dedicated user base would be willing to take further steps to save our internet home should that arise.


dunno001
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally This user is on the site NOW (10 minutes ago)
14-Dec(#7)
Not around?? I've not even been here 3 years yet! You're not allowed to disappear on us! raspberry

Though I guess fair enough. I know some people have a "cheap" mindset, and I admit I like saving what I can. With the amount of money this site's saved me and gotten me from other sales, I can live with eating the $1.67/yr, especially if it helps keep the site around.

bill
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 600 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (15) Has Written 26 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (4 minutes ago)
14-Dec(#8)
Maybe I'm way off base, but those graphs I sometimes post have been showing the decline for years.

I'm the kind of person that likes to plan for the worst vs. pretending like everything is OK. Getting rid of the 3 year option is a really small thing in my mind.

I have no idea how or when the site will end. I have an impression that trading sites need a kind of "critical mass" of people willing to trade for it to work. I don't think we're close to losing that, but if we do get close, it could erode quickly and trades may go down sharply. This is just speculation on my part, but I've seen other trading sites struggle with this.

There are a lot of other aspects to the site that can't be ignored. We're a community and a lot of regulars will stay to hang out with friends even if trading dies down. Again, assuming here.

My personal connection to the site is important too and hard for me to even express. It's my baby and thus idiosyncratic or like that King Arthur "Land and the King are one" thing. It would not be easy to separate myself from GameTZ, given the way I built it.

I've changed in recent years too. I used to be more concerned about the site making revenue, but that never worked out; revenue is also declining (obvious if you follow the amazon topic). I'm mostly just accepting it for what it is at this point. I have other ways to support myself. I'm also getting older and seeing myself as semi-retired. Revenue does matter, if it gets very low to the point where it would cost me to keep it running or just not seem worth it. But, we're not close to that point.

I'm not making much revenue but it also doesn't take that much of my time. Disputes on the site (which have been the hardest thing for me) also seem to be in decline. I am a bit tired of running websites and tired of the Internet in general. I have a lot of negative feeling about how people behave on the Internet and what it has become, to be honest -- I use it less and less personally. But, keeping GTZ going is also something for me to do and that has value to me at this stage in my life.

Anyway, I have a lot of mixed feelings. But, no plans to change anything and I assume I'll just keep riding it out and see how it goes.

dunno001
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally This user is on the site NOW (10 minutes ago)
14-Dec(#9)
Fair enough; I don't recall seeing those graphs before, and they do paint a picture. I would have never guessed the active user base has dropped by 20% just in the 2 years I've been here.

dunno001
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally This user is on the site NOW (10 minutes ago)
* 14-Dec(#10)
And this brings me to another question: I didn't see a place to put my username in the checkout buttons on the site. Did I just overlook that?

*looks at icon change* I... guess it didn't matter?

tonymack21
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 450 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 3 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (3 minutes ago)
14-Dec(#11)
bill wrote:
> Maybe I'm way off base, but those graphs I sometimes
>
> I'm the kind of person that likes to plan for the worst vs. pretending like everything
> is OK. Getting rid of the 3 year option is a really small thing in my mind.
>
> I have no idea how or when the site will end. I have an impression that trading
> sites need a kind of "critical mass" of people willing to trade for it to work.
> I don't think we're close to losing that, but if we do get close, it could erode
> quickly and trades may go down sharply. This is just speculation on my part, but
> I've seen other trading sites struggle with this.

digital probably has a lot to do with this, perhaps one day there will be a way to trade those, not holding my breath for that, but maybe.

>
> There are a lot of other aspects to the site that can't be ignored. We're a community
> and a lot of regulars will stay to hang out with friends even if trading dies down.
> Again, assuming here.

I definitely think that this is true, I think the dedicated user base will still be around even if trades aren't at the volume they once were.


>
> My personal connection to the site is important too and hard for me to even express.
> It's my baby and thus idiosyncratic or like that King Arthur "Land and the King
> are one" thing. It would not be easy to separate myself from GameTZ, given the way
> I built it.

makes sense, its become a part of you, as it has to many of us as well.

>
> I've changed in recent years too. I used to be more concerned about the site making
> revenue, but that never worked out; revenue is also declining (obvious if you follow
> the amazon topic). I'm mostly just accepting it for what it is at this point. I
> have other ways to support myself. I'm also getting older and seeing myself as semi-retired.
> Revenue does matter, if it gets very low to the point where it would cost me to
> keep it running or just not seem worth it. But, we're not close to that point.

I would like to think the high end of the active base would be willing to do something should that ever be the case.

>
> I'm not making much revenue but it also doesn't take that much of my time. Disputes
> on the site (which have been the hardest thing for me) also seem to be in decline.
> I am a bit tired of running websites and tired of the Internet in general. I have
> a lot of negative feeling about how people behave on the Internet and what it has
> become, to be honest -- I use it less and less personally. But, keeping GTZ going
> is also something for me to do and that has value to me at this stage in my life.

this is the only site I am a regular of really as far as daily, besides youtube, because I know how you feel, ive seen the internet rise from near the beginning and its uglier than it was long ago, but there is still good, gtz for example :)

>
> Anyway, I have a lot of mixed feelings. But, no plans to change anything and I assume
> I'll just keep riding it out and see how it goes.
>
>

yes


Porksta
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally This user is on the site NOW (4 minutes ago)
14-Dec(#12)
dunno001 wrote:
> Fair enough; I don't recall seeing those graphs before, and they do paint a picture.
> I would have never guessed the active user base has dropped by 20% just in the 2
> years I've been here.
>
>
Coincidence???

bill
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 600 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (15) Has Written 26 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (4 minutes ago)
* 14-Dec(#13)
dunno001 wrote:
> And this brings me to another question: I didn't see a place to put my username in
> the checkout buttons on the site. Did I just overlook that?

I assume you're talking about the paypal subscribe buttons. They embed your username and other info on the page (hidden). Works great, though.
John
GameTZ Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (13)
14-Dec(#14)
I would buy another 3 year soon if you bring it back. But, if it is a big deal, I can do 1-year increments. As you said, we're talking about $1.67/year, so no biggie.

I think it would be cool if you accepted cryptocurrency. I kinda want to pay in ETH or DOGE just for fun. (I'd pay in BTC, but the fees are still ridiculous for small payments right now.)
SirConnery
GameTZ Subscriber 1000 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
14-Dec(#15)
He accepts cryptocurrency in exchange for BillCoin.
Kblazer883
Gold Good Trader Has Written 2 Reviews
15-Dec(#16)
Well, I like saving money any way I can (helps to counteract the "other's" spending habits). How little I save doesn't matter because it becomes cumulative based upon expenditures. Let me know if you bring back the 3-year option.
six
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
15-Dec(#17)
I say we drop selling for paypal and start exclusively only trading for Billcoins. Also it's really sad seeing GTZ dying down like that, I come here first for items I am looking for.
Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
17-Dec(#18)
bill wrote:
>
> I'm not making much revenue but it also doesn't take that much of my time. Disputes
> on the site (which have been the hardest thing for me) also seem to be in decline.
> I am a bit tired of running websites and tired of the Internet in general. I have
> a lot of negative feeling about how people behave on the Internet and what it has
> become, to be honest -- I use it less and less personally. But, keeping GTZ going
> is also something for me to do and that has value to me at this stage in my life.
>
> Anyway, I have a lot of mixed feelings. But, no plans to change anything and I assume
> I'll just keep riding it out and see how it goes.
>
>

Yeah the internet is toxic and depressing at times. Esp huge sites. I like it here tho.

@tonymack21 I would definitely contribute more if need be. When an online game I use to play died we rallied together and made our own forum and maintain it.
tonymack21
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 450 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 3 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (3 minutes ago)
17-Dec(#19)
Ya def.

paul6743
GameTZ Subscriber Gold Good Trader
* 18-Dec(#20)
The two times I've purchased GTZ subscriptions, it was the $55 option for 3 years. I like buying a bunch all at once, Costco-style.

Long live GTZ.
SirConnery
GameTZ Subscriber 1000 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
18-Dec(#21)
Or click the button 3 times. grin
Boss
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 650 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (8) This user is on the site NOW (2 minutes ago)
19-Dec(#22)
bill wrote:
> I removed the 3 year subscription option on September 29th, 2017. I've had a couple
> people ask me about it privately since then. I guess I could be talked into bringing
> it back, though it seems best to me to remove it. Here are my reasons:
>
> o GameTZ has been in a long, slow decline (less usage over time in general). 3 years
> is a long time. I've started to wonder if the site will still be around in 3 year
> and/or if it will be as useful to traders at that point. Thus, I started to feel
> uncomfortable selling a 3 year subscription.

If in the future you are seriously considering ending the site, please contact me. Maybe we can work out a Sale. I cannot do the backend dev work like you can and would probably need you to help transition it to a 3rd party agency.

In the interim, I think there are a few things we can do to improve traffic to the site. But its going to require money, and as you said revenue is down so this is probably where we will have to make a plea to the user base to help with some of this funding.

Though I am busy with real life, I am here to stay and help. So feel free to use me as a resource. I think we can put together a Marketing plan that may work for this site but its probably going to be radically different than what you're used to. But I think we should eventually try.
six
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
19-Dec(#23)
I think we just need to spread the word, it gets kinda hard to find this site. When I found this site years ago I think I found it through a random forum. When searching video game trading sites, sites like glyde, 99 gamers, leaptrade and TGN popped up. Half of those are dead yet are easier to find lol.
tonymack21
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 450 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 3 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (3 minutes ago)
* 19-Dec(#24)
when I first read this I thought about you Boss, I remembered at one point you said you'd be willing to do something as well.

we love our bill though too, and wouldn't want to see you go bill :)

ya six def we should all be telling our friends and stuff, which I do of course, anytime I meet someone irl or online that I think would be an asset to us as a community I encourage them to check it out. there are def some dregs I don't refer though lol.


lpeters82
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
* 19-Dec(#25)
I visit GameTZ nearly every day, but I'll admit my desire to trade has greatly decreased. I use the site now mostly for the general forums and occasional impulse purchases. I think I've purchased the bulk of my subscription time using the three year option, but I also don't have any issue with using the one year option.
bill
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 600 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (15) Has Written 26 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (4 minutes ago)
* 19-Dec(#26)
@Boss I appreciate the offer to help.

I think it would be hard to have someone else take over the site. The backend is all homebrew, custom, idiosyncratic code I've written that is unlike anything else on the web.

I know you're a web marketing expert, but I'm skeptical that traffic could be increased in a meaningful way. I think we're up against larger forces here. Don't forget how many serious trading sites have failed (Goozex, etc.)
six
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
19-Dec(#27)
Honestly this small community is a blessing and a curse. On one hand we are like a small community that's always looking out for each other. A increase in users can add more trolls, could you imagine several Donalds!? The other hand there is less and less trades. What if gtz reached out to trading Facebook pages and open the Twitter page again.
Boss
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 650 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (8) This user is on the site NOW (2 minutes ago)
* 19-Dec(#28)
bill wrote:
> @Boss I appreciate the offer to help.
>
> I think it would be hard to have someone else take over the site. The backend is
> all homebrew, custom, idiosyncratic code I've written that is unlike anything else
> on the web.
>
> I know you're a web marketing expert, but I'm skeptical that traffic could be increased
> in a meaningful way. I think we're up against larger forces here. Don't forget
> how many serious trading sites have failed (Goozex, etc.)


I understand and here to help--whenever you're ready. Don't want to see it just given up before trying somethings.

The suggestions I have from the top of my head:

1) Create an account with MailChimp or another small business Mass Email tool.
2) Build a Calendar of meaningful GameTZ Content Related Newsletters that can help product Upsell opportunities to the userbase. I recommend the tool above so we can better analyze the results.
3) Offer Promotions:
- Free 1 Month Subtime to All New Users who Sign up to the Site -- Use above nurturing cycle for new users to sell further subscriptions
- Free 1 Month to Current GameTZ Members with 5 Years+ membership - Introduce a loyalty program, this can also be tied with Trades made. Its an achievement program for active users.
4) Create a referral program paid in subtime.
5) Run Social Media and/or SEM campaigns with strict monthly budgets to ensure not over spending.
6) Introduce New Icons -- PreBuild - Offer as an Gold Sub Badge perk (introduce new perks to Gold Subs)
7) Sell Custom Icons for X cost for Y time.
8) Reach out to TGNs previous owner and offer to buy the User list if he has it. Send mass email to that group from Mass Email tool above. Offer them subtime above normal promo and/or discounted rate for new users. Goal calculated here should be to break even with cost of list vs conversion expectation.

These are just a few things from the top of my head. I don't think you should tackle all at once, but slowly build it to that point. You can also empower members to help with the brainstorming. Either way, if you want the help I am here. I know you've done some great things with the site, and it can be a time crunch to get everything done as well as Customer Service.

As for Goozex, TGN -- they all failed, had Marketing budgets and grew in size but could not figure out how to move the needle in revenue over the long run. I am unsure why, never looked at their metrics but I can only assume their overhead for having Employees and office space ate into their profit.
Porksta
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally This user is on the site NOW (4 minutes ago)
19-Dec(#29)
Well, TGN died because the owner (Dennis Shirk) was a twinkie that basically created the site and left it to die. Updates were unable to be implemented and eventually the users stopped paying for the hosting charges (which they had been doing for the 2-3 years before it died).

six
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
19-Dec(#30)
What if subtime offers more advantages and you could raise the price? The main appeal to subtime now is that it helps fund gtz. You could offer a better subscription and charge a little more.
bill
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 600 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (15) Has Written 26 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (4 minutes ago)
* 19-Dec(#31)
@Boss I feel like I tried many of those in some form or another over the years. Much of it is a lot of extra work, but I suspect would not make much difference in the end. I'll freely admit I may just not be good at some of those things too. But, I'm wary of that sort of thing at this stage. Ideas are cheap, actually doing the work is another matter, you know. I'm surprised you didn't mention selling t-shirts! dead face

I think the failure of Goozex and other sites--that tried to do a trading website as a serious business and thus did many good ideas like you mention--shows that it may simply be that there isn't a strong enough market to sustain a website like this. And, I think there are many signs that the market has continued to shrink. Games are going digital, etc. Also, the people interested in trading are frugal and not as willing to pay for a trading service (e.g. it's a low-margin business at best). I don't mean to sound cynical here, just realistic based on decades of experience. As a friend, I would not recommend to you that you invest in a game trading website. There's tons of evidence to show that it's not a great business idea.
bill
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 600 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (15) Has Written 26 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (4 minutes ago)
19-Dec(#32)
Porksta wrote:
> Well, TGN died because the owner (Dennis Shirk) was a twinkie that basically created
> the site and left it to die. Updates were unable to be implemented and eventually
> the users stopped paying for the hosting charges (which they had been doing for the
> 2-3 years before it died).

It seems unfair to insult him. I'm sure he put a lot of work into it for years and likely never made that much off of it. I assume he found something better to do with his life and to support his family.
tonymack21
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 450 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 3 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (3 minutes ago)
19-Dec(#33)
t- shirts..merch.. all the streamers are doing it. my kids ask me for jake paul sweatshirts all the time. lol

SirConnery
GameTZ Subscriber 1000 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
19-Dec(#34)
How about growth through mergers and acquisitions?

There's a number of sites that have original content that draws their members different from what we have here. We draw through community and trade transaction tools. Maybe a transition plan can be implemented where your trade tools/community are merged with another website(s) and our community members follow. You could be a paid resource to help transition. With net neutrality gone I'd assume it would be beneficial long term to combine similar websites to ensure that many of them don't get buried and fall to the wayside.

Examples of sites I think have compatible content:

Racketboy.com
Rfgeneration.com
Gameboomers.com
Nintendoage.com/Segaage.com/Atariage.com (I believe it's the same company for all 3).

All of these communities have active trading and buy/selling going on among their members. It's done very loosely via forum private messaging. Your custom established trade system puts anything they're using to shame.

I'm sure there's others but that's off the top of my head. There's still a large community of physical media preservationists. They're just not a vocal group so you don't really consider them the forefront of the industry.

TGN/Goozex/LeapTrade type sites were never made to be permanent communities. They have shelf life and expiration dates because they're built on fads and trendiness.

tonymack21
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 450 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 3 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (3 minutes ago)
* 19-Dec(#35)
Merging in with others is something I'd only really want if it was life or death, like it was that or we just die, which I never want to happen. Connery is right though. The trade tools here are world's above what other kids play with.

And like Bill said he has no plans of folding up at this point, just an uncertainty as to what exactly we are here years from now.

I like the brainstorming though. I know many love our little internet home as much as I love

SirConnery
GameTZ Subscriber 1000 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
20-Dec(#36)
CAG 3.0 supposedly releases early next year. I'm expecting an upgrade to a different forum software and add rumored chat room. So it will look flashy but I bet it's still forum trading with no real system. Basically what they have now but it looks slightly prettier. I've done some trading over there and frankly if anyone complains about users on here being cheap, they need to go over there for a week. It's crazy.
EB
GameTZ Subscriber Gold Good Trader
20-Dec(#37)
tonymack21 wrote:
> Merging in with others is something I'd only really want if it was life or death,
> like it was that or we just die, which I never want to happen. Connery is right
> though. The trade tools here are world's above what other kids play with.

I know I dont really have a dog in this fight considering I have been here under 2 years, but I agree with both of these statements. Part of what makes GTZ special at least IMO is that we are pretty close knit as online strangers go. Everyone just kind of has an understanding of what to do, I guess. Definitely want to keep GTZ around though, the site is so awesome. Trading is great, forums are great, users are great.

Scott
GameTZ Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 1 Review
20-Dec(#38)
This thread makes me sad frown

Boss
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 650 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (8) This user is on the site NOW (2 minutes ago)
20-Dec(#39)
bill wrote:
> @Boss I feel like I tried many of those in some form or another over the years.
> Much of it is a lot of extra work, but I suspect would not make much difference in
> the end. I'll freely admit I may just not be good at some of those thins too. But,
> I'm wary of that sort of thing at this stage. Ideas are cheap, actually doing the
> work is another matter, you know. I'm surprised you didn't mention selling t-shirts!
> dead face
>
> I think the failure of Goozex and other sites--that tried to do a trading website
> as a serious business and thus did many good idea like you mention--shows that it
> may simply be that there isn't a strong enough market to sustain a website like this.
> And, I think there are many signs that the market has continued to shrink. Games
> are going digital, etc. Also, the people interested in trading are frugal and not
> as willing to pay for a trading service (e.g. it's a low-margin business at best).
> I don't mean to sound cynical here, just realistic based on decades of experience.
> As a friend, I would not recommend to you that you invest in a game trading website.
> There's tons of evidence to show that it's not a great business idea.


My investment at the site would be only to cover cost. I agree that it will be hard to turn a profit consistently and that times are changing.
bill
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 600 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (15) Has Written 26 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (4 minutes ago)
20-Dec(#40)
Let's just cherish the years we have left. *sniff*
Prime
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
* 20-Dec(#41)
Can we get a comprehensive list of who has purchased 3 year blocks of subtime the last 5 years?
Boss
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 650 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (8) This user is on the site NOW (2 minutes ago)
20-Dec(#42)
Prime wrote:
> Can we get a comprehensive list of who has purchased 3 year blocks of subtime the
> last 5 years?

To PM them for loans?
Prime
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
20-Dec(#43)
This topic made me sad I was just tying to distract a little bit from the idea of this place shutting down.
Boss
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 650 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (8) This user is on the site NOW (2 minutes ago)
20-Dec(#44)
Prime wrote:
> This topic made me sad I was just tying to distract a little bit from the idea of
> this place shutting down.

It's not going anywhere, anytime soon. Don't think you need to worry about that.
Prime
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
20-Dec(#45)
Also that would be a fun list.
longhornsk57
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
21-Dec(#46)
Yeah this site is legit, but I too have gone digital for Switch on a lot of titles, and pretty much all my PSVR titles. This is really the only site like this on the internet though. All those ones that use those stupid tokens or coins or whatever were DOA.

I think the decline will plateau, and maybe go back up at some point, but it's good to be real about things. It would suck to have to resort to eBay etc, for used games and consoles. Hopefully we can infuse some young blood in here.
Sid_Ceaser
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 500 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 6 Reviews
22-Dec(#47)

I'm still a sucker for physical. This site is still my favorite place to visit each day.



SirConnery
GameTZ Subscriber 1000 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
22-Dec(#48)
This site is my homepage.
Prime
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
22-Dec(#49)
What both those guys said.
Antipop
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 11 Reviews
28-Dec(#50)
Prime wrote:
> What both those guys said.
willyum
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 300 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (17)
29-Dec(#51)
I honestly haven't been trading as much as I used to; but I do enjoy the forums. I love this site, and will continue to support it however I can. yes


reneeatworld
Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 20 Reviews
30-Dec(#52)
Based on the graphs, it seems like 2009 was a big year in gaming, at least for GameTZ. The time between 2008-2010 seem like that was the high point. There was a year, I can't recall which year it was, but that was when I reached my prime in gaming. I spent more that year, especially during the holidays, than any year to date. That was either 2008 or 2009, I'll double check the releases for those years and edit this post. But either way, the graphs seem very consistent with my gaming habits, as my gaming has been on the decline as well, but it peaked consistently with Bill's graphs.

SirConnery
GameTZ Subscriber 1000 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
30-Dec(#53)
I own a ton more games now then I did back then. The difference was that I had more time to play them back then.
willyum
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 300 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (17)
30-Dec(#54)
SirConnery wrote:
> I own a ton more games now then I did back then. The difference was that I had more
> time to play them back then.

yes

SirConnery
GameTZ Subscriber 1000 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
30-Dec(#55)
Provided I make more money selling/trading those games now then back then too. Back when I played every game I owned I then swapped them for another game of similar value.

Today I buy when games are low, and put them in a queue ordered by my interest in playing them and their market value. Some games end up being more profitable to buy digital when they go on sale while selling the physical copy to make that money back plus profit. I think daytrading is similar, just on a much greater monetary scale.

Same idea when I go to Goodwill. I pickup anything I'm interested in and then a few items I know I can resell for profit with intent to pay for the rest of the items I bought at the same time.
SirConnery
GameTZ Subscriber 1000 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
1-Jan(#56)
GameTZ needs a Patreon. Just a reoccurring payment option to be used anyway Bill sees fit. It doesn't need anything on our accounts here to "brag" or anything like that. Or lets choose a longtime user to run the page and forward collected funds to Bill.

https://www.patreon.com/
Rune_Walsh
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Canada
1-Jan(#57)
I'm a huge supporter of this site as well and would gladly do what I can to keep it going

To me, it is absolutely like a second home. When real life gets stressful and I need to just relax, I come here and read through forums and just unwind. It's a great group of folks here.
I'd truly hate to see it go.

Grenadier
GameTZ Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator Triple Gold Good Trader Has Written 3 Reviews
4-Jan(#58)
SirConnery wrote:
> GameTZ needs a Patreon. Just a reoccurring payment option to be used anyway Bill
> sees fit. It doesn't need anything on our accounts here to "brag" or anything like
> that. Or lets choose a longtime user to run the page and forward collected funds
> to Bill.
>

How would that be better than subscribing, for whatever length of time/money you would have spent on the Patreon payment?
six
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
4-Jan(#59)
Doesn't Pateron take a cut itself ? Subtime seems better since all money goes the Bill.
Porksta
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally This user is on the site NOW (4 minutes ago)
4-Jan(#60)
six wrote:
> Doesn't Pateron take a cut itself ? Subtime seems better since all money goes the
> Bill.
Well, minus PP.

SirConnery
GameTZ Subscriber 1000 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
5-Jan(#61)
Grenadier wrote:
> How would that be better than subscribing, for whatever length of time/money you
> would have spent on the Patreon payment?

Subscribing has benefits, we all know that already. We have been told over the years not to "shame" users for not subscribing. So this boils down to the benefits us long timers know about, Secret Santa bonds and bragging rights. For us lifers, we're well past all of that.

Basically the Patreon enables giving whatever you want on a reoccurring basis with no expectations nor subtime in return. It's essentially giving an option to the longest users of us (or lifers as I call them) to give to the site and offset costs without buying in subtime increments. Knowing that the site has a far off expiration date and removal of the three year option, I'd like to see a general support method. I'd still buy subtime for Secret Santa, but beside that I really don't need anything in return. Subtime is a fixed construct and this would be more open ended. It would also automatically reoccur. I think you can do the same with PayPal subscriptions if that still exists.
bill
GameTZ Gold Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 600 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (15) Has Written 26 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (4 minutes ago)
5-Jan(#62)
It's not really about money. The site's declining numbers are in things like member and trade counts. Maybe that will level off, though. I don't mean to be alarmist. All I did was quietly get rid of the 3 year sub option here (which was used rarely).

GameTZ is healthy with plenty of activity currently. There's some sign that activity may continue to slowly go down. That may mean we'll get to a point where activity is low and not healthy. And, GameTZ could sort of die (e.g. if there isn't enough activity, people will lose interest even more, stop posting, stop signing on, etc). We (the few who remain) can talk about that if/when that happens (at worst, it seems years away). The decline may reverse too, who knows.

Money does matter on some level. If the site made zero, then it would be costing me along with some amount of work for me and thus would make me ask "why am I doing this?!" But, we're not there yet.

I used to want the site to make more money and support me, but I've given up on that. I have other ways to support myself. So, GTZ is more like this thing that I do part-time that makes some money for me and is something to do in my semi-retirement. Maybe this is what it always was, though I definitely put in a lot of full-time years in the past. But, it was also kind of fun and nice to be doing my own thing too... life is strange and I have been fortunate in many ways to lead a life of my own choosing (more or less). It was never all about money.

I don't feel comfortable taking donations or for people to have a lot of subtime as it feels to me like an obligation or that I owe people something. The work I do for the site is not all fun for me, so to add an additional feeling of obligation to that seems bad. I think what I put in and what I get out of GTZ is at a good balance now.

I appreciate the thought and I know many of you have been consistent supporters of the site and what I do for many many years and that feels good. I hope my dedication shows and has made you feel your investment has been worthwhile. It's amazing really. This GameTZ thing really happened, wow. I mean, we're not some huge Internet brand worth billions, but something magical happened here and it's still going. Most sites never really take off or last this long.


tl;dr - let's just keep doing what we're doing and I think things will be good for a few more years at least, probably more.


tonymack21
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 450 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 3 Reviews This user is on the site NOW (3 minutes ago)
5-Jan(#63)
yes we have definitely outlasted most of them!

willyum
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 300 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (17)
5-Jan(#64)
I know it goes without saying, but we're all very grateful for the site, and for the work you do on it. Please don't feel like you us owe anything; those of us who subscribe do so because we want to. smile

That said, I agree: we pulled off something that a lot of sites can't. Huzzah! yes

Topic   3 year subscription option gone?