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MrBean
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27-Aug(#1)
Starting to use the mobile version more and I love how the opening page is all recent posts ... gives you a quick way to see stuff from all boards.

Can you add this to full desktop version too?
bill
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27-Aug(#2)
I'm not sure what you mean by "opening page is all recent posts" ...what page? What is it showing. Can you take a screenshot or something?

Is it just All My New replies?
MrBean
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27-Aug(#3)
https://imgur.com/KRcu2nm

Looks like it just shows marketplace forums vs all.

Like Facebook, I don't want to look at each person's page (like different forums) vs. an opening page that maybe shows the most recent 50 threads?

I think this would be valuable on both platforms.
bill
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27-Aug(#4)
Ah, I see. You're using the app. I was thinking the mobile website.

Yeah, the "marketplace forums" thing is app-only.

The closest thing we have on the website is Hot Topics: https://gametz.com/HotForumTopics.html (there's a link to it somewhere).

...but, it includes non-marketplace forums like General too.

I adding it to the app partly because I was concerned the app review process might expose the crap that gets posted in General and the app would not get approved. smile But, it is kind of cool if you're just here to make deals and not for the lies and BS.

I could add "marketplace forums" link for the website, but it would be quite similar to Hot Topics (a subset of it). And, page real estate is always an issue too.
MrBean
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27-Aug(#5)
Hot Topics serves a specific purpose, but an overall "recent topics" kind of opening page (like Facebook) would be pretty cool IMHO. I think you're onto something with the mobile view, but would think it best to open it to all forums, not just market forums (or make it configurable). Then mimic this feature on the desktop version.

It takes a fair amount of time to flip through each forum looking for recent topics being posted in ... whereas this, could allow you to a single glance, see all recent topics. Hell, could even configure it to X amount of recent topics.

Still, I see your side too. Not everyone cares about the random chit chat and instead simply wants to see market based stuff. Again, this is where (pending complexity) making that configurable to show which forums (default to marketplace) and how many.

m2c
MrBean
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27-Aug(#6)
Hell, now looking at it ... where you have "Forums, All Forums Catch-Up, Hot Topics, etc." this would be a great place for "Recent Topics".

Me personally, I'd love to see this as the default view when going into forums.
bill
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* 28-Aug(#7)
It would be easy to implement a page that just shows all accessible[1] topics, newest first[2].

[1] - Certain forums are private, but we might also consider just not including classes of forums like user/personal forums or Politics (lots of unpleasant stuff there).
[2] - There's a couple ways to sort by date. We can use the creation date of the topic or we can use the Latest post creation date. I think topic creation may be better since we usually use latest post to sort by in other cases.

Making it configurable would be harder/tricky (would need to dream up some UI for doing that and it's complicated with lots of potential forums to sift through). I'd be less inclined to do that, at least at first.

This has been suggested before and I did respond positively to it, but it didn't seem to get any support from other users. So, I had the impression that there isn't much interest in this.

I could make the page just for you, if you like. Like I said, it's easy to make. You could try it out and see what you think. I can do it as a thing that people can ask for, like some other obscure features.

I think it may suffer a bit from having lots of random/crap topics mixed in (e.g. could be more "noise" than "signal" sometimes). Also, if someone makes the same topic in more than one forum, it shows all of them and is thus repetitive. Not the worst problems, but it's the first thing I noticed when I look at the list.

I'm not sure if Recent is the right term. It's more like All Topics or just Topics. I'd probably set it up to just let you keep paging back as far as I you like.
MrBean
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28-Aug(#8)
Yeah that sounds great. I think you're spot on with excluding personal/politic forums. Potentially down the line (if this gets enough usage - unsure if you can track?) perhaps later look into configuration options to say what should be included in their recent. Still, I'd say it's a perfect start.

As for creation vs post date. I would have thought the latter. The goal of this page would be more so to see what has active dialogue. I realize "Hot Topics" is kind of similar, but they still serve different purposes. Too often, I miss out on good topics (like SNES Classic availability) because not enough posts bumped it into Hot Topics and I didn't look at every possible thread out there.

I could be off, but personally ... I think once users see this is available and understand it, they'd begin to use it regularly. Again, it fits into the whole social media world of showing recent posts (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.). So I think the adoption would be high. Meaning, don't make this accessibly only to me.

Thanks Bill!
bill
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28-Aug(#9)
The app is sorting the Marketplace thing by topic creation.

Topics that don't get many posts are hard to give attention to. Sorting by latest post hurts them as much as sorting by topic creation since popular topics will tend to push less popular topics down faster. It's kind of a toss up and a case could be made for either way of doing it, I guess.

Come to think of it, there's a logical, programming reason to sort by topic creation because that date/time never changes. The latest post date/time changes often. So, paging can get weird if a new post happens while you're doing it. (e.g. Topic #57 suddenly is #1 because of a new post). Also, if you revisit the list of these topics, the order will always be changing on you, if it's sorted by latest (like forums do). Whereas if it's sorted by topic creation, when you check it, you can scan the list until you hit a topic you've seen before, then you'd know you've seen them all.

Maybe an alternate way of conceptualizing what you want is a pseudo forum that has topics from all the forums you're tracking in it. So, I could add an "all together" forum to the forum list and you could use that, vs. having a page like Hot Topic linked in the nav bar. Or, I could do both the "all together" forum and the all topics link in the nav bar (sorted by topic creation).

MrBean
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28-Aug(#10)
Well, if you sort by topic creation only, you'd never have insight to where people are talking (unless it meets the threshold to arrive in "hot topics"). So use Facebook as an example. Your feed gets updated based on activity. Whether it's 1 or 100 posts, something can be shown on your feed based on recent activity of people talking, not when the very first person brought up said topic.

Still, I see your point as well. Bit of a tricky scenario. Personally, I think date modified vs. date created is the better of the two. Pending on complexity on your end, can you add a sorting feature?

As for the pseudo forum, not sure about that TBH. We already get visuals on when a post we commented on is updated. I think you're stumbling into a whole other area that has merit as well. Being able to tag a thread to be kept up to date instead of having to post in them.

Again, none of this is a make or break. It's one lazy mans way of looking for quicker insights to where people are chatting.
bill
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28-Aug(#11)
As you've said, Hot Topics is already fairly close to what you're asking for here.

You're talking about a slight difference to the way it picks interesting topics (e.g. sort by post count vs latest post). I'm looking at the lists and there's a lot of similarities (over 50% the same topics listed). So, I don't know. That doesn't seem great to me. Would you check both? If so, wouldn't it be annoying that you'd be sifting through similar topics?

Here's the Hot Topics list:

+----------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-----+
| Area | Subject | c |
+----------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-----+
| General | Mayweather - Mcgregor | 229 |
| VideoGame_Discussion | Nintendo Switch! (IDs and codes) | 181 |
| Vintage_Games | RTT Nintendo Entertainment System Super Nintendo NEC PC Engine Sega PlayStation NEC (company) Sega Dreamcast Sega CD Sega 32X Game Boy Color Atari Jaguar Sega Master System | 177 |
| VideoGame_Discussion | PlayStation 4 Discussion Thread | 114 |
| Hot_Deals | SNES Classic up for preorder at Best Buy | 108 |
| General | My town got hacked. | 95 |
| VideoGame_Discussion | Franchises everyone loves you just aren't into. | 85 |
| General | Vince McMahon Presents: Fantasy Baseball 2017 | 80 |
| General | Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion - NEW S7 TRAILER! - SPOILERS INSIDE | 79 |
| VideoGame_Discussion | Find of the week | 78 |
| General | Post a Random Pic Thread[The Revival] | 73 |
| Politics | Political Memes [the 2nd] | 71 |
| General | NBA Discussion | 63 |
| Politics | Charlottesville Protests | 59 |
| VideoGame_Discussion | Xbox One Discussion | 52 |
| Politics | Transgender folks in military is a problem? | 52 |
| General | Scores/Reviews of movies you've seen recently. | 52 |
| General | SNES Classic up at Walmart!! | 48 |
| Console_Marketplace | SNES Mini Preorder | 47 |
| General | Sports Cards: A Dying hobby | 40 |
| General | Most Distressing Deal of My Life... | 36 |
| Hot_Deals | SNES Classic @ Walmart! | 36 |
| General | NFL discussion 2017 | 34 |
| VideoGame_Discussion | Post your scores/reviews on recent titles you've obtained/been playing. raspberry | 31 |
| Politics | Where are all the white people at? | 31 |
+----------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-----+



Here's something all topics sorted by last post:

+----------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Area | Subject |
+----------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Classifieds | Guacamelee Steam |
| Site_Feedback | Amazon link in nav bar |
| Vintage_Games | RTT Nintendo Entertainment System Super Nintendo NEC PC Engine Sega PlayStation NEC (company) Sega Dreamcast Sega CD Sega 32X Game Boy Color Atari Jaguar Sega Master System |
| VideoGame_Discussion | Find of the week |
| General | Game of Thrones Season 7 Discussion - NEW S7 TRAILER! - SPOILERS INSIDE |
| General | how to make money in the new economy/sharing economy |
| General | Post a Random Pic Thread[The Revival] |
| Politics | Political Memes [the 2nd] |
| General | Most Distressing Deal of My Life... |
| Digital_Marketplace | Humble Spooky Horror Bundle for trade! Looking for other digital games! |
| General | Harvey |
| General | NFL discussion 2017 |
| General | Good switch to add router ports? |
| General | Ric Flair placed in medically induced coma... |
| General_Marketplace | FS: HT Omega Striker 7.1 sound card never used |
| General | Who's playing Sonic Mania? |
| Console_Marketplace | WTB- XBOX Live Gold 12-Month Code |
| Site_Feedback | Recent posts |
| General | Mayweather - Mcgregor |
| Classifieds | FS/FT: Nintendo Entertainment System Contra - $27 shipped |
| Classifieds | sold |
| VideoGame_Discussion | Nintendo Switch! (IDs and codes) |
| General_Marketplace | Blurays, Books FS/FT |
| VideoGame_Discussion | Splatoon 2 Discussion |
| Politics | The Newsroom |
+----------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------+




I'm curious, do you use Hot Topics currently?

Originally, you called out the Marketplace topic list on the app and that is quite different in content compared to Hot Topics. So, that seems more worthy of implementing something. But, part of the reason it's different is how it sorts and doesn't consider activity, just shows all topics in order.
bill
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28-Aug(#12)
Here's the list of all topics sorted by topic creation:


+----------------------+-------------------------------------------------------+
| Area | Subject |
+----------------------+-------------------------------------------------------+
| General_Marketplace | FS: HT Omega Striker 7.1 sound card never used |
| Console_Marketplace | WTB- XBOX Live Gold 12-Month Code |
| Classifieds | FS: Playstation 4 system - 500 GB |
| General_Marketplace | WTB Ethereum |
| General_Marketplace | Can anyone help with a large loan? |
| General_Marketplace | WTB: You Can Dance ABBA (Wii) |
| Classifieds | sold |
| Portable_Marketplace | FS: Small List Of PS Vita Games |
| Classifieds | FS: Small List Of PS Vita Games |
| Classifieds | Japanese Black 3DS For Sale |
| Console_Marketplace | WTT : SNES Mini Classic NZ/EU edition for US edition |
| Console_Marketplace | Uncharted 4 fs/ft |
| Digital_Marketplace | ISO: Jak & Daxter PS4 code |
| Politics | Medical controversy discussion |
| Console_Marketplace | FS/FT Agents of Mayhem X1 |
| General_Marketplace | WTB/WTTF: Complete PlayStation games I don't have |
| Classifieds | WTTF: SNES Classic H: OLED Vita, Dariusburst LE, ETC |
| PC | Anyone playing PUBG? |
| General | Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice |
| Digital_Marketplace | WTB GOTG 2 HD UV $6 |
| Classifieds | e-Reader Cards - $15 shipped |
| VideoGame_Discussion | Beige Colecovision games? |
| Gameshare | Absolver $18 sellable available |
| Movies_Marketplace | Justice League: Doom 2-Disc DVD |
| CodeGiveaway | Anyone have a extra ww2 beta code ? |
+----------------------+-------------------------------------------------------+

MrBean
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28-Aug(#13)
Yeah, I check Hot Topics pretty regularly. I like it, but seems like more often than not, it's the same stuff over and over as it's based on post counts yeah? If it's purely based on recent activity, than I was off base all along. In current state, you would miss out on new threads being published to perhaps cover something important (like a limited time release, hot deal, etc.).

Thinking this through, maybe you're right. Maybe sorting on date created vs. date modified ... is the better of the scenario's. Leverage hot topics for that exact purpose and simply expose in one shot, where all the recent topics are coming from. I think that's better in alignment with the concept of "Recent Topics" whereas chit chat within a thread (date modified) would have a separate purpose.

Personally, I think there's value in both (dependent upon the logic of Hot Topics). But thinking this through further, If I were to pick one to qualify, date created is probably better.
bill
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* 29-Aug(#14)
You should be seeing this link in your forum nav bar...

All Topics

It should be all active topics from forums you are following, sorted by topic creation date/time.

It does seem to highlight stuff one might have missed (vs. Hot Topics).

p.s. If anyone else is reading this and would like the "All Topics" link added to your forum nav bar, just ask.
MrBean
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29-Aug(#15)
Bill, I'm loving this already. You should enable this site wide for all users.

Will provide feedback after more usage.
MrBean
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30-Aug(#16)
Definitely enjoying this. Such a quick and easy way to stay up to date without missing threads or having to go to every forum. Should definitely enable for all.
SirConnery
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* 30-Aug(#17)
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bill
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31-Aug(#18)
OK, you're added @SirConnery .
SirConnery
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31-Aug(#19)
Works great! grin
MrBean
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31-Aug(#20)
So definitely liking this but still missing what I was originally going for in regards to date modified vs created. There's absolutely value in both scenarios. The date created relies upon staying very up to date; whereas, modified is again similar to social media to get a quick synopsis of the current activity.

Question for ya @bill, what's the logic to qualify "hot topic"?
bill
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1-Sep(#21)
Hot Topics is active topics with the highest number of new posts in the last week.
MrBean
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5-Sep(#22)
So, I'm using this almost every time I use the site. Are you holding back from enabling site wide? I think once others are aware of the existence of this, they'd use.

Side note, what happened to the site newsletter so stuff like this could be surfaced to all?
bill
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6-Sep(#23)
I know you love this feature, but my impression continues to be that few others are interested in it or would use it. I agreed to make it just for you and for anyone else that wants it. But, I don't want to add yet-another-link-that-doesn't-get-used to the user interface because that has a subtle bad effect of complicating it (making it harder for people to find stuff they do want to use).

Generally, I think the old layout suffers from that problem badly. I think most users these days are happy with the way the site is and prefer that I not change it (that upsets them and/or they reject it).

I haven't done newsletters that often in recent years. OK, wow, it has been almost 4 years. Emailing 100s of people all at once has some negative effects (e.g. it's typical to get a wave of account delete requests after sending a newsletter and people see it as spam, etc.) If I had something major to talk about, I'd do it.

As the site has matured, there are less significant new things being added to talk about. I guess I could mention the app, but I think that is a good example of something that was a lot of work, but is only used by a few people and is limited thus not that useful to many. That is the situation I find things in. The New Layout was the first sign of this lack of interest in new features, and me needing to scale back how much effort I'm putting into new features because they aren't appreciated. Or, maybe I suck and just haven't managed to make stuff people really like. Part of the site maturing is that you get to a point where all the "low hanging fruit" features have been added and other potential ideas aren't as great.

People aren't looking for new features so much these days. Just that this topic has had only 3 different people posting in it (1 other besides you and I) is a sign of that too. I don't get the impression many people even read Site_Feedback. Years ago, it was very different with long discussions happening here about all kinds of new features and such. On some level, the site is slowly winding down too. Revenue is steadily declining. It's hard to know the future, but most new games are going digital distribution (I prefer it myself), interest in trading is likely fading. I don't think the end is near, but I also don't think it's growing or will grow in the future. Keeping things going with more of a maintenance attitude makes the most sense to me.

Which is not to say that I'm not happy to add new features. The auto-complete @username and emoticon stuff was a good suggestion that I think many people appreciated. It was fairly easy to add as well. And, it wasn't the kind of thing that has a negative impact (e.g. complicating the UI). I just need to be more cautious about what I add as I've clearly made missteps in the past and have to live with them.
SirConnery
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6-Sep(#24)
People mass request account deletion after receiving a newsletter for a site they signed up for? We must attract some real 'special' people on here. smile
bill
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6-Sep(#25)
Most new accounts don't get used and end up abandoned. I'm sure it's a common thing. I've abandoned many accounts on other sites too.
SirConnery
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6-Sep(#26)
Sure but I don't think I've ever received a newsletter and said "eww what's this? I'm going to that site and deleting my account. rawr"
tonymack21
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* 7-Sep(#27)
bill wrote:
> I know you love this feature, but my impression continues to be that few others are
> interested in it or would use it. I agreed to make it just for you and for anyone
> else that wants it. But, I don't want to add yet-another-link-that-doesn't-get-used
> to the user interface because that has a subtle bad effect of complicating it (making
> it harder for people to find stuff they do want to use).

Id be interested to look at it.

>
> Generally, I think the old layout suffers from that problem badly. I think most
> users these days are happy with the way the site is and prefer that I not change
> it (that upsets them and/or they reject it).

I know you worked really hard on the new, I find myself using the old a lot, its like comfort food at grandma's I guess. it "feels" like gtz to me love I need to spend more time in new to see all the things it can do.


> As the site has matured, there are less significant new things being added to talk
> about. I guess I could mention the app, but I think that is a good example of something
> that was a lot of work, but is only used by a few people and is limited thus not
> that useful to many. That is the situation I find things in. The New Layout was
> the first sign of this lack of interest in new features, and me needing to scale
> back how much effort I'm putting into new features because they aren't appreciated.
> Or, maybe I suck and just haven't managed to make stuff people really like. Part
> of the site maturing is that you get to a point where all the "low hanging fruit"
> features have been added and other potential ideas aren't as great.

we def appreciate all the work you do! I think you're also right that with an established site like this there aren't a lot of new things to add? it works great and so many long term people still being here seems a testament to how it is loved.

>
> People aren't looking for new features so much these days. Just that this topic
> has had only 3 different people posting in it (1 other besides you and I) is a sign
> of that too. I don't get the impression many people even read Site_Feedback. Years
> ago, it was very different with long discussions happening here about all kinds of
> new features and such. On some level, the site is slowly winding down too. Revenue
> is steadily declining. It's hard to know the future, but most new games are going
> digital distribution (I prefer it myself), interest in trading is likely fading.
> I don't think the end is near, but I also don't think it's growing or will grow
> in the future. Keeping things going with more of a maintenance attitude makes the
> most sense to me.

a lot of people may not, but I like site feedback, and occasionly as im going through I use it to report things I see like names and merges etc.
I agree with the future assessment, I think in the next decade we may see a console that is digital only, physical media is fading, physical pc games are almost a non thing now with steam and gog, and I like digital too.
im sure there will always be a market for retro stuff, and one day the kids of today may want to recompile some of their 360 memories the way our generation does the early years of our gaming memories. that stuff may be on digital though, lol.
one day If they ever shut down the network stores for these consoles interest in the physicals could go up (which I hope they don't, I have a small fortune in the psn/xbl)

>
> Which is not to say that I'm not happy to add new features. The auto-complete @username
> and emoticon stuff was a good suggestion that I think many people appreciated. It
> was fairly easy to add as well. And, it wasn't the kind of thing that has a negative
> impact (e.g. complicating the UI). I just need to be more cautious about what I
> add as I've clearly made missteps in the past and have to live with them.

I love that feature, those really were great ideas.


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bill
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7-Sep(#28)
tonymack21 wrote:
> Id be interested to look at it.

Ok, added you.

Look for the "All Topics" link in the nav bar.


tonymack21
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7-Sep(#29)
bill wrote:
> tonymack21 wrote:
>> Id be interested to look at it.
>
> Ok, added you.
>
> Look for the "All Topics" link in
> the nav bar.
>
>
>

hmm, interesting, i could see the usefulness.


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