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Topic   Unable to delete own posts

longhornsk57
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
21-Jul-2019(#1)
Used to be able to suddenly can't.

Why is this?
NathanOfLight
GameTZ Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
21-Jul-2019(#2)
It was changed because people were deleting then reposting.
longhornsk57
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
21-Jul-2019(#3)
Oh. Well that sucks.
bill
GameTZ Subscriber GameTZ Full Moderator 600 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (15) Has Written 26 Reviews
* 21-Jul-2019(#4)
Announced and discussed here: https://gametz.com/Site_Feedback/post-delete-disab...

It's still open to discussion if people finding it's doing more harm than good.

Also, if you ever need me to delete a post/topic for an important reason (e.g. privacy, etc), pm me about it. But, if it's just about bumping, then yeah... read that topic if you want to understand the trouble.
Taz
GameTZ Subscriber 750 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
21-Jul-2019(#5)
Kinda sucks that a couple bad apples ruin it for everyone.
benstylus
GameTZ Subscriber 500 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (9) Has Written 26 Reviews
21-Jul-2019(#6)
It's only in the marketplace forums, and you can still clear your post and put "sold" in the title and body. (Or "no longer available" or "waffle" or whatever)

As far as I know you can still delete your post in non-marketplace forums.
Taz
GameTZ Subscriber 750 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
21-Jul-2019(#7)
benstylus wrote:
> It's only in the marketplace forums, and you can still clear your post and put "sold"
> in the title and body. (Or "no longer available" or "waffle" or whatever)
>
> As far as I know you can still delete your post in non-marketplace forums.

Still though...
paul6743
Gold Good Trader
* 21-Jul-2019(#8)
I already said this in the last thread, but I hope you will reconsider this change, bill. There are too many legit reasons for wanting to delete posts and comments.

Since the change we've had a increase in thread topics with "sold", "delete", "Item for sale" and other useless forum clutter because these topics can't be deleted.

I never felt like the "abusers" (at least the ones I saw) were intentionally trying to manipulate the site. Also, it seems like they could be dealt with individually, rather than disabling important site functionality.

MrBean
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21-Jul-2019(#9)
paul6743 wrote:
> I already said this in the last thread, but I hope you will reconsider this change,
> bill. There are too many legit reasons for wanting to delete posts and comments.
>
> Since the change we've had a increase in thread topics with "sold", "delete", "Item
> for sale" and other useless forum clutter because these topics can't be deleted.
>
> I never felt like the "abusers" (at least the ones I saw) were intentionally trying
> to manipulate the site. Also, it seems like they could be dealt with individually,
> rather than disabling important site functionality.
>
>

I agree with this. I thought perhaps it was just me/mobile issue. Perhaps even leave it as a subscriber feature perhaps.
bill
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21-Jul-2019(#10)
When I look for clutter, it doesn't seem bad. I guess it's a matter of opinion. Some might prefer none at all.

I probably said before that one person's "clutter" is another's "useful info". For example, if you had seen an item for sale and wanted to check back on it to make an offer, it now saying "sold" is useful vs. it simply being deleted and you don't really know what happened.

Also, it may show that people are using the site successfully. While it would otherwise seem like nothing was selling if deleting sold topics was common. It's kind of like ebay having old auction pages still up. There's a lot of good info in there.

I did get complaints for a couple people about this and when I looked it was clear a few people were deleting posts excessively as part of some method to surreptitiously get more exposure. There was a kind of competition going on from what I could tell (they pointed fingers at each other). It may have been getting worse and/or involving more and more people doing it.

But, if it seems like a majority of people using the marketplace forums want me to put it back like it was, I will. I'd just need to see more people post about it either way to understand how most people feel. We could also do a poll if that seems like a good idea.
bill
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21-Jul-2019(#11)
longhornsk57 wrote:
> Used to be able to suddenly can't.
>
> Why is this?

I'm just curious what post did you want to delete and why?
longhornsk57
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
21-Jul-2019(#12)
bill wrote:
> longhornsk57 wrote:
>> Used to be able to suddenly can't.
>>
>> Why is this?
>
> I'm just curious what post did you want to delete and why?

It was my FF12 for sale thread.

Someone said they wanted it so I said it was pending, they never accepted my offer so I wanted to delete the post saying it was pended AND bump the thread at the same time. This is what I've used deleting my posts for before.

Also bumping a thread every few days without having strings of "bump" posts.

So once I didn't see option to delete I edited my post then posted again to bump the thread.
bill
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21-Jul-2019(#13)
Thanks
benstylus
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21-Jul-2019(#14)
longhornsk57 wrote:
> bill wrote:
>> longhornsk57 wrote:
> |>> Used to be able to suddenly can't.
> |>>
> |>> Why is this?
>>
>> I'm just curious what post did you want to delete and why?
>
> It was my FF12 for sale thread.
>
> Someone said they wanted it so I said it was pending, they never accepted my offer
> so I wanted to delete the post saying it was pended AND bump the thread at the same
> time. This is what I've used deleting my posts for before.
>
> Also bumping a thread every few days without having strings of "bump" posts.
>
> So once I didn't see option to delete I edited my post then posted again to bump
> the thread.

Why you would want to bump the thread if the item is no longer available, as opposed to just editing the post?

It seems like it would be inconsiderate to bump a now empty sale topic above posts from people still actively trying to sell.

Do you get a lot of people asking for sold items if you don't bump it?
longhornsk57
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
21-Jul-2019(#15)
benstylus wrote:

>
> Why you would want to bump the thread if the item is no longer available, as opposed
> to just editing the post?
>
> It seems like it would be inconsiderate to bump a now empty sale topic above posts
> from people still actively trying to sell.
>
> Do you get a lot of people asking for sold items if you don't bump it?

You didn't understand my post.
bill
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22-Jul-2019(#16)
Yeah, he was saying he thought he had sold it but then the deal fell through, so it was available again.

Still, I don't see any great hardship in not being able to delete posts in that case. It's just about being tidy it seems. Really, the info of the item almost selling could be of value and I don't see any harm in leaving it.

I'm not sure why people have been deleting posts so much in general, just a habit people have picked up it seems.


> bumping a thread every few days without having strings of "bump" posts.

I don't think this is a problem as long as it's every few days. The trouble is that if the bumped are deleted, the seller can bump a lot more often (every hour?) and yet cover their tracks so it's hard to prove they did that. This was part of the original reason for disabling deletes. The other part was that you can also delete an entire topic in a similar fashion and this is even more annoying (makes ignore not work for example).
longhornsk57
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
22-Jul-2019(#17)
Ya I mean it's not the end of the world. I like the threads to be nice and tidy but otherwise this isn't really a hill I would die on.

I guess if you can limit user deletions to once a day or something, otherwise this isn't really something that's going to impact me much, really I just wasn't sure if something had changed or some bug or what..
bill
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22-Jul-2019(#18)
Yeah, the per day limit occurred to me, but it would require a lot more complex code.
Gypsy
GameTZ Gold Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
22-Jul-2019(#19)
Would "child" accounts be too much of a can of worms?
longhornsk57
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
22-Jul-2019(#20)
bill wrote:
> Yeah, the per day limit occurred to me, but it would require a lot more complex code.

I mean end of the day I don't think it's a big deal, just forget about and keep it as it is.
ryanflucas
GameTZ Subscriber 1000 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Secret Santa
23-Jul-2019(#21)
I overlooked the other post. I know I've been seeing lots of crossed out and sold posts popping up. It's just this guy hanging out in classifieds again.

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Taz
GameTZ Subscriber 750 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
23-Jul-2019(#22)
Im sure the two people who caused this are not even trading/here anymore.

Couldnt a day ban and warning them get their attention?

ryanflucas
GameTZ Subscriber 1000 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Secret Santa
23-Jul-2019(#23)
I looked and I guess I didn't overlook it, huh. Some of this stuff is a blur after awhile. I just end up ignoring tons of posts.
Dusk
400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
23-Jul-2019(#24)
I just wait two days to post now. I used to like to delete previous bumps because I could easily show any new updates as the main reason for the newest bump (if any). I can still do this, but if I use the same topic or the item isn't selling within a few weeks then it gets a bit long. I don't know if people really look to see what the last bump was 20 posts down. You could post any big updates in the main post I guess, so not a huge deal, but it just felt nice to have the ability to clean up any clutter.
bill
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* 23-Jul-2019(#25)
Clown wrote:
> Im sure the two people who caused this are not even trading/here anymore.

At least 3 people, one of them is definitely still active because someone recently complained about him bumping too much (though, I didn't agree and tried to talk to the one who complained, but he didn't reply to my pm).


> Couldnt a day ban and warning them get their attention?

I did talk to them, maybe I restricted one of them or deleted a topic it two, but they were fairly evasive and quick to blame others for their behavior. Because stuff was getting deleted, I wasn't entirely sure what happened either (I just have a log that say something was deleted and complaints from other users). I asked them to stop, but they didn't really agree or admit they did anything wrong. It's hard to explain, but this is the typical BS I deal with, people have attitudes and feel justified... never as simple as it seems on the surface. Part of what was going on was a competition between them to be on top of the forum, I think.
longhornsk57
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader
23-Jul-2019(#26)
It is a little sad that a sophomoric high school battle between a couple members caused a function many found useful to be removed from the site.

I don't even understand why a daily bump is even a problem. Another instance of an offended minority spoiling something for the rest.
Gypsy
GameTZ Gold Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
23-Jul-2019(#27)
The function of deleting and reposting entire threads was pretty annoying though. I didn't complain about it but I do like to use the ignore thread feature and that tactic bypassed it.

I also miss being able to delete posts so it's definitely a trade-off.

@Bill I have moderated enough sites to know what an absolute pita dealing with feuds between users is. I don't envy your position, but I do appreciate ya.
benstylus
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24-Jul-2019(#28)
Gypsy wrote:
> The function of deleting and reposting entire threads was pretty annoying though.
> I didn't complain about it but I do like to use the ignore thread feature and that
> tactic bypassed it.

The ignore feature is my absolute favorite feature of this forum.

I really don't see the need to completely delete posts. Maybe it is habit for some people, but it's totally unnecessary. Just edit the topic to cross out the title and add sold:

FS: Slightly Worn Pants SOLD

The pricing info in that thread may be of use to someone later.

Topic   Unable to delete own posts