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Topic   Help me figure out if this Final Fantasy III box is a fake

Shawn
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* 30-Jan(#1)
Please help me figure out if this box is fake and therefore if I should return it to the Ebay seller. I asked the seller directly and they said it's not a repo (for what that's worth). The box is also disproportionally nice compared to the manual and cardboard insert that came inside it, which to me is highly suspicious.

The internet is surprisingly barren on guides to identify fake boxes..

thoughts?

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SilverOwl
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* 30-Jan(#2)
Can I get a close up of the Nintendo logo and seal of quality?
Shawn
Silver Good Trader
30-Jan(#3)
SilverOwl wrote:
> Can I get a close up of the Nintendo logo and seal of quality?

I uploaded them at the end there. The Nintendo seal didn't turn out fantastic, let me know if you'd like me to try to get a better one.

Thanks!
BloodPuppetX
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* 30-Jan(#4)
I don't see any particular reason to think it's a repro...but I'm no expert on this stuff. That box brings back nice memories, though.

DefaultGen
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30-Jan(#5)
Looks real to me, as someone who doesn't really collect cardboard. The left side of the box has locking tabs which lots of repros don't, the cardboard is the right color, it has the right kind of age and wear that isn't just some obviously faked crushing (crushed corner, fudgeed up flap edge), the print quality doesn't look like a disaster with totally wrong sharpness, colors, or contrast, it looks like it's the right thickness. You would have to judge things like feel and glossiness.

There's no easy way to tell. Collecting paper sucks. But that definitely looks 100% real.

Scott
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30-Jan(#6)
BloodPuppetX wrote:
> That box brings back nice memories, though.

Same here. This is one of the most memorable games from my childhood. My dad gave it to me as an early Christmas present like in July lol

Shawn
Silver Good Trader
30-Jan(#7)
Thanks for the feedback - if anyone else wants to chime in i'd appreciate it.

I've actually never played it and am going to do so for the first time... and then on to Chrono Trigger.
dunno001
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31-Jan(#8)
Shawn wrote:
> I've actually never played it and am going to do so for the first time... and then
> on to Chrono Trigger.

You're definitely in for some sheer gaming bliss! Both FF6 and CT on the SNES make my top 10 games list. That is... assuming you meant the SNES Chrono, and not the horrible DS remake?

Shawn
Silver Good Trader
31-Jan(#9)
dunno001 wrote:
> Shawn wrote:
>> I've actually never played it and am going to do so for the first time... and
> then
>> on to Chrono Trigger.
>
> You're definitely in for some sheer gaming bliss! Both FF6 and CT on the SNES make
> my top 10 games list. That is... assuming you meant the SNES Chrono, and not the
> horrible DS remake?
>
>

Nope, my next goal is to try to get a CIB near meant Chrono Trigger for SNES and then play it... but not until I beat FF 6. I have to give myself incentives to motivate myself to complete games nowadays.. lol
DiamondDave
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31-Jan(#10)
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Fake AND gay
DefaultGen
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31-Jan(#11)
dunno001 wrote:
> Shawn wrote:
>> I've actually never played it and am going to do so for the first time... and
> then
>> on to Chrono Trigger.
>
> You're definitely in for some sheer gaming bliss! Both FF6 and CT on the SNES make
> my top 10 games list. That is... assuming you meant the SNES Chrono, and not the
> horrible DS remake?
>

Aw man, what's wrong with the DS game? It has the PSX cut scenes without the PSX loads. It moves the menus and crap to the bottom screen so they aren't covering the action. It's got some bonus content.

Did they fix some minor mistranslated stuff and ruin that original experience?

Scott
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31-Jan(#12)
DefaultGen wrote:
> dunno001 wrote:
>> Shawn wrote:
> |>> I've actually never played it and am going to do so for the first time... and
>> then
> |>> on to Chrono Trigger.
>>
>> You're definitely in for some sheer gaming bliss! Both FF6 and CT on the SNES
> make
>> my top 10 games list. That is... assuming you meant the SNES Chrono, and not the
>> horrible DS remake?
>>
>
> Aw man, what's wrong with the DS game? It has the PSX cut scenes without the PSX
> loads. It moves the menus and crap to the bottom screen so they aren't covering the
> action. It's got some bonus content.
>
> Did they fix some minor mistranslated stuff and ruin that original experience?

The cut scenes were great, but that's the only thing it had going for it IMO. I really hate the bubbly/cartoony 3D graphics, and they changed stuff from the original like some bosses have different weaknesses and stuff. Also, I'm not sure what bonus content you're referring to. The GBA version (and subsequently the PSP version) had amazing bonus content, but the DS version did not get any of that.

Scott
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31-Jan(#13)
Also, there's nothing wrong with expecting to see "You spoony bard!" in your FFIV playthrough!

Gypsy
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31-Jan(#14)
Scott wrote:
> DefaultGen wrote:
>> dunno001 wrote:
> |>> Shawn wrote:
>> |>> I've actually never played it and am going to do so for the first time...
> and
> |>> then
>> |>> on to Chrono Trigger.
> |>>
> |>> You're definitely in for some sheer gaming bliss! Both FF6 and CT on the SNES
>> make
> |>> my top 10 games list. That is... assuming you meant the SNES Chrono, and not
> the
> |>> horrible DS remake?
> |>>
>>
>> Aw man, what's wrong with the DS game? It has the PSX cut scenes without the PSX
>> loads. It moves the menus and crap to the bottom screen so they aren't covering
> the
>> action. It's got some bonus content.
>>
>> Did they fix some minor mistranslated stuff and ruin that original experience?
>
> The cut scenes were great, but that's the only thing it had going for it IMO. I really
> hate the bubbly/cartoony 3D graphics, and they changed stuff from the original like
> some bosses have different weaknesses and stuff. Also, I'm not sure what bonus content
> you're referring to. The GBA version (and subsequently the PSP version) had amazing
> bonus content, but the DS version did not get any of that.
>
>

Pretty sure DG was talking about Chrono Trigger and not FF6.
BloodPuppetX
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31-Jan(#15)
Sounds like @Scott was thinking about FF IV there, lol. (FF VI didn't get a DS release)

DefaultGen
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31-Jan(#16)
I can almost guarantee I will never defend an unnecessarily 3D version of a 2D game, but I don't think FF6 got released on DS, that's the "real" FF3.

BloodPuppetX
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31-Jan(#17)
Scott wrote:
> Also, there's nothing wrong with expecting to see "You spoony bard!" in your FFIV
> playthrough!
>
>

Yep, he was.


Scott
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31-Jan(#18)
lol whoops!

dunno001
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31-Jan(#19)
DefaultGen wrote:
> dunno001 wrote:
>> You're definitely in for some sheer gaming bliss! Both FF6 and CT on the SNES
> make
>> my top 10 games list. That is... assuming you meant the SNES Chrono, and not the
>> horrible DS remake?
>>
>
> Aw man, what's wrong with the DS game? It has the PSX cut scenes without the PSX
> loads. It moves the menus and crap to the bottom screen so they aren't covering the
> action. It's got some bonus content.
>
> Did they fix some minor mistranslated stuff and ruin that original experience?

What's wrong is that almost everything they changed was for the worse. The cut scenes are probably the most positive change, and I personally could go either way on them. The difficulty itself was changed, resulting in a more uneven progression. Going through the SNES version felt natural, whereas on the DS, it felt like some areas were too easy, only to feel like I run into a wall in the next section. The "extra areas" do not mesh with the rest of the game; they feel tacked on, and clearly just reuse assets from the original game. Plus, I liked having to make a choice for the most powerful stuff, now there's even stronger stuff just given to you.

The other things you cite, the menus, were never a problem in the original. And the translation didn't bother me in either. I do have some games where I prefer an older translation, but this isn't one.

Shawn
Silver Good Trader
1-Feb(#20)
DiamondDave wrote:
> 540 417{imgt}
>
> Fake AND gay

Fixed!
Shawn
Silver Good Trader
1-Feb(#21)
Anyone else have any feedback on real or fake for the box now that i've fixed the pictures?

Also, thought you folks discussing the different chrono trigger version mights appreciate the list of hacks/mods/improvements for the SNES rom:

http://www.romhacking.net/?page=hacks&game=268&per...
Shawn
Silver Good Trader
1-Feb(#22)
And holy crap, there's a comprehensive fan made sequel to chrono trigger:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono_Trigger:_Crim...

(the more complete version is called flames of eternity on the rom hacking site

no doubt some of you already knew this
DiamondDave
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1-Feb(#23)
I'm no pro. But that box looks like a cyborg, a hybrid human/machine construct with organic tissues and metal endoskeleton
Shawn
Silver Good Trader
* 1-Feb(#24)
Update:

I had a second complete copy of Final Fantasy 3 come in the mail.

second copy = box #2
first copy (pics in original post) = box #1

I weight both boxes and each comes out to .07 lbs.

Box #2:

*feels sturdier*
seems to have more gloss
less rough feeling
more resistance when you run finger along it
art work is more clean looking, particularly in black areas
more damage as far as creases and blemishes and such

Box #1:

*feels* less sturdy/substantial
less gloss
more rough when you run your finger across it - less resistance
art work has more very tiny artifacts if you look really closely, particularly in black areas
more perfect as far as damage/creases than box #2

My question to owners of SNES boxes that you KNOW are authentic...do all of them have the same kind of finish as far as the sheen/gloss/feel... or are some boxes glossier or more substantial feeling than others?

Box #2 on left, box #1 on right:

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Thanks for your help!!! I think if we can put our minds together on this thread it can possibly help other people spot fakes, or confirm if what they have is authentic.
Shawn
Silver Good Trader
* 1-Feb(#25)
Close ups of Nintendo seal.

Box #2 - Nintendo seal less gold in color - you can see more gloss and more of a very fine circular scratch/wear artifact pattern in the artwork.

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Box #1 - Nintendo seal more gold in color - is less glossy and rougher looking - doesn't have the same circular-ish looking fine wear pattern.

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SilverOwl
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* 2-Feb(#26)
Tbh man, they both look authentic. Just after 25+ years, some things age different compared to condition. I'm no expert by all means. And different runs of games could have slightly different components of color, etc.
More or less light, way it was stored, moisture, heat. All can change the way an authentic box could feel or look.
What I always looked for was if the sealed was "doubled stamped", or if misspelled words. Flaps or no flaps. Tbh, both look authentic to me. That's just my opinion, As I'm not an expert, but usually fakes have some fairly observed errors that can be seen if compared by a real one. So if all your going by is what u stated, that isn't really enough to say it's a fake
Shawn
Silver Good Trader
* 2-Feb(#27)
Thanks SilverOwl, your input is appreciated. You make a good point about things aging differently depending on conditions, or possibly just having manufacturing variances due to being on different runs.

Some last comparisons and observations...

Box #2 - notice the difference in the white cardboard cart holder compared to box #1 - completely different design. The cart with the dust cover fits nicely into it. Also notice the different manufacturers of the components on the board on the right side (Toshiba, etc.)

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Box #1 - different white card cart holder insert... the cart with the dust cover doesn't fit into this without some slight pressure as if it's just slightly not wide enough. Notice the different manufacturers on the components on the right side of the board.

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Anyone have a confirmed authentic copy of FF 3 to compare?

DiamondDave
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* 2-Feb(#28)
They're probably just different runs/printing, even with the swapped internal components. Enough of that board is legit that you can look at the different components and you'd be able to tell quickly if they'd been tampered with, but this all looks stock.

Different fitting inner boxes is a thing, too. If this is fake, it's the best fake I've seen. So take that to the bank.

For reference, here's another legit board:

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Gypsy
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2-Feb(#29)
DiamondDave wrote:
>
> Different fitting inner boxes is a thing, too. If this is fake, it's the best fake
> I've seen. So take that to the bank.
>

Is this if fake, I fudging quit and will never buy another SNES game again.
DiamondDave
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2-Feb(#30)
Probably a good idea regardless
Gypsy
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* 2-Feb(#31)
Good news, I currently own 0 SNES games. Do have some Super Famicom games and this weird Korean Yoshi's Island I got from you. Basically all I care to have is Mario and Zelda, though I also have some goofy cheap imports too that are like $3 games.
DiamondDave
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2-Feb(#32)
I've got a few SFC games but pretty much all cheapies iirc. I had some GASP REPROS, Shubibinman Zero and Umihara Kawase too, I'll probably play target practice with them sometime.
Noid
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* 2-Feb(#33)
...aaand this is just one of the many reasons I don't collect complete Super Nintendo video games. Honestly, I just don't deal with video game cardboard boxes because they're too damn frail and way to easily counterfeitted. I'm so sorry this is giving you so much grief, @Shawn; you have my deepest sympathy. frown
Shawn
Silver Good Trader
* 2-Feb(#34)
Noid wrote:
> ...aaand this is just one of the many reasons I don't collect complete Super Nintendo video
> games. Honestly, I just don't deal with video game cardboard boxes because they're
> too damn frail and way to easily counterfeitted. I'm so sorry this is giving you
> so much grief, @Shawn; you have my deepest sympathy. frown

ha ha thanks. It's not all that much grief tbh, I just want to ensure I have authentic copies (as much as possible) and honestly kind of like the investigative side of it.

Ultimately, there are only a few boxed games I want so at most I will only have to go through this a few more times. :P
Shawn
Silver Good Trader
* 2-Feb(#35)
DiamondDave wrote:
> They're probably just different runs/printing, even with the swapped internal components.
> Enough of that board is legit that you can look at the different components and
> you'd be able to tell quickly if they'd been tampered with, but this all looks stock.
>
> Different fitting inner boxes is a thing, too. If this is fake, it's the best fake
> I've seen. So take that to the bank.


Thanks - everyone's posts and feedback has helped solve it (as much as it can be solved).

Conclusions:

- I think they are both legit, but have aged different and/or were part of different manufacturing runs
- The differences in the chips on the boards largely confirm they were from different runs, so I guess it would make sense that the boxes might have some differences as well. (assuming the boxes and games were originally together from the factory and not swapped around at some point)
- As for the two different cardboard trays - some ebay picture sleuthing seems to show that SNES games have come with both kinds, so nothing necessarily illegitimate there.

(CIB (sans map) box/copy #2 is for trade if anyone is interested)
SilverOwl
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2-Feb(#36)
the world is an illusion, a fake. we are the matrix
darkslime
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* 2-Feb(#37)
There's one way I found in my years of collecting and trading games to tell if a Nintendo game box published before 1999 is fake. Look inside the box and they will always have this symbol in the top right corner on the flap: https://imgur.com/a/8HEVK
KCPenguins
Gold Good Trader
2-Feb(#38)
You fudgeer.
DiamondDave
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* 2-Feb(#39)
6/10, smelled it coming but points for confirmed kill

Topic   Help me figure out if this Final Fantasy III box is a fake