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Topic   Has the majority moved to digital games?

sa330206
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29-Dec(#1)
Several years ago i remember Microsoft saying the Xbox one would primarily be digital but many gamers were unhappy so they back peddled. Now I see a lot of users saying they actually prefer digital to physical. Has the pendulum swung to where a majority of gamers are ok with digital only games? Call me old school but I refuse to buy digital. I still want a physical copy of games because I like having the cover art/cases. I like the manuals too but many physical games don't have them anymore. Also I can trade them later once I'm done playing them. Do you think the next gen of consoles will move to digital only or is there still enough of a market for physical? I have such a backlog of games that even if I never bought another new one I would be set for decades so it might be a good thing for me if they go digital only and I stop buying. What is your opinion on this topic?
whitefire
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29-Dec(#2)
Physical is still more popular than digital for console but less popular for PC.

I still prefer physical, but it depends on the price and the replay value.

Karaiya
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29-Dec(#3)
I'm slowly transitioning to all digital.
sa330206
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29-Dec(#4)
I'm curious what will happen a few console generations from now. For example when they take the Xbox 360 servers offline and your console dies. Will you just be out of luck and lose all the digital games you bought? One could argue you wouldn't play them again anyway but I disagree. I still play my older games and would be upset if I lost them all!
KCPenguins
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29-Dec(#5)
I thought downloads are playable offline, like my PC games from the early 2000's...
sa330206
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29-Dec(#6)
KCPenguins wrote:
> I thought downloads are playable offline, like my PC games from the early 2000's...

I'm sure they are but I'm talking more about if the online servers go away at the end of a consoles life and your console dies. Even if you buy a new console, you couldn't redownload the games if the servers are offline.
MrBean
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29-Dec(#7)
Seems like the younger generation is more hip to pure digital. Personally, I'll never convert until we're forced to.

PC I'll remain digital, but not console. More so for collector purposes.
klusion
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29-Dec(#8)
PC has been digital for me for a while now. Unless I can get the Amazon pre-order sale for the "physical copy" and still get it on release day.

Console is disc-based only for me unless it isn't available in that format.

dustin11
Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
29-Dec(#9)
I'm 100% physical unless the game is only available digital, and even then I won't buy it unless its on sale for really cheap. I don't like digital games, it just feels like you're only getting half a product.

And I don't believe MS's original idea for the X1 was for it to be all (or mostly) digital but rather you couldn't guy used games and you had to check in ever 24 hours to make sure you weren't pirating stuff.
Noid
Gold Good Trader
29-Dec(#10)
dustin11 wrote:
> I'm 100% physical unless the game is only available digital, and even then I won't
> buy it unless its on sale for really cheap. I don't like digital games, it just feels
> like you're only getting half a product.
>
> And I don't believe MS's original idea for the X1 was for it to be all (or mostly)
> digital but rather you couldn't guy used games and you had to check in ever 24 hours
> to make sure you weren't pirating stuff.

I'm with dustin11 all the way on this! yes
dunno001
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30-Dec(#11)
The writing on the wall sure looks like a lot of digital. I've also said that once games go all digital, I'm done with modern gaming. Like a few others, I have enough of a backlog to keep me busy for quite a while...

whitefire
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30-Dec(#12)
sa330206 wrote:
> KCPenguins wrote:
>> I thought downloads are playable offline, like my PC games from the early 2000's...
>
> I'm sure they are but I'm talking more about if the online servers go away at
> the end of a consoles life and your console dies. Even if you buy a new console,
> you couldn't redownload the games if the servers are offline.

They'll let you download them, one way or another. They'll work something out with this. People would get too pissed.

dustin11
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30-Dec(#13)
dunno001 wrote:
> The writing on the wall sure looks like a lot of digital. I've also said that once
> games go all digital, I'm done with modern gaming. Like a few others, I have enough
> of a backlog to keep me busy for quite a while...
>
>

Same. If games go all digital then I will never buy a new game again. I have hundreds of games I've never played and will just work through those.
Archer
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30-Dec(#14)
Karaiya wrote:
> I'm slowly transitioning to all digital.

Me too. This last year I only bought 12 physical games all year. And about 40+ digital. I expect to buy even less physical games this year. Its just easier. But the problem is, its not cheaper.
sixteenvolt420
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* 30-Dec(#15)
I don't know if i'll ever fully transition to all digital. I have a hard time paying more than $5-7 for a digital game. I just don't feel that it's worth anywhere near the same price as a physical one. I'm still probably 95% physical, 5% digital.
benstylus
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* 30-Dec(#16)
I buy physical unless (a) it's not available physically or (b) the cost of the physical game is significantly higher than the digital one.

For me, it's all about the cost. Physical games are priced with the knowledge that they can be traded, loaned out, resold, etc. As much as publishers don't want to admit it, the cost of lost sales of new copies has already been factored in when they price the game to go on the shelf. The same thing with blu-rays, dvds, books, cds, etc. People have been trading/loaning/reselling entertainment media for as long as it has existed.

Digital copies don't come with that freedom. They also don't have any physical production cost. And yet, they still cost exactly the same as the physical copy. There's less value there, so it should cost less. But it doesn't. Video games have a much higher cost in general than other forms of media anyway.

Books, when they're first released in hardback, are usually $25-$35 at retail. Kindle versions are usually around half that. So the book industry knows it has to compromise somewhat on price, and does so.

Movies come out for $20-$30 retail, tv shows between $30-$50 for a season (not counting anime). Many of them even have digital versions included (which is physical fans promptly turn around and give away or sell). There are digital versions available for most releases nowadays that you can "rent" for a few bucks, or buy for $10-$20 depending on the movie.

CDs cost less than $20, often less than $15 on release, and digital albums are often $10, or individual tracks $1 to $1.29 each if that's all you want. The music industry compromises a little on price, but selling individual tracks is a huge convenience to the consumer that just wasn't feasible before digital. There are a few video games that take the piecemeal approach, but they're things like Pinball arcade where each 'piece' is technically a full game unto itself.

Video games are $60 retail, or you can buy the digital version for... $60. No. Not acceptable to me. You give me value for giving up my right of resale, or you can keep your digital version. Want to charge $40 instead of $60? I'll be far more willing to consider it, especially since there's still the question of DLC, which already can't be traded/sold. Also, considering the majority of games don't have demos, dropping $60 on something you end up disliking would be a kick to the gut if you couldn't recoup some of that. My favorite is when the physical copies have dropped on price and are significantly cheaper than digital. Virtual console, arcade archives, etc. I'm happier with, especially for games that are ridiculously expensive physically (Pulseman, anyone?).

So short version, digital at the same price as physical is a rip-off. Every other entertainment media knows this and does something to try to entice consumers to go digital. The video game industry is the only one that basically tells consumers to fudge off, and we keep coming back to them because we're chumps.
KCPenguins
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30-Dec(#17)
whitefire wrote:
> sa330206 wrote:
>> KCPenguins wrote:
> |>> I thought downloads are playable offline, like my PC games from the early 2000's...
>>
>> I'm sure they are but I'm talking more about if the online servers go away
> at
>> the end of a consoles life and your console dies. Even if you buy a new console,
>> you couldn't redownload the games if the servers are offline.
>
> They'll let you download them, one way or another. They'll work something out with
> this. People would get too pissed.
>
>


I doubt it unless there were waves of people. Also, with the way most games are now you'd be SOL with physical copies as well. How many games require an update before playing?
DiamondDave
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30-Dec(#18)
PC, I have to. Console, I don't like doing it, but if it's the difference between paying $40-120 for a limited release game or paying $15 for digital, I'm not a dope. I also jump on massive sales; if a bundle is $10 less expensive than the physical on sale and the cost is below $25, I go digital. In general, digital purchases $25 or below on full priced software I don't mind owning forever just makes sense to me.
dustin11
Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
30-Dec(#19)
KCPenguins wrote:
> whitefire wrote:
>> sa330206 wrote:
> |>> KCPenguins wrote:
>> |>> I thought downloads are playable offline, like my PC games from the early
> 2000's...
> |>>
> |>> I'm sure they are but I'm talking more about if the online servers go away
>> at
> |>> the end of a consoles life and your console dies. Even if you buy a new console,
> |>> you couldn't redownload the games if the servers are offline.
>>
>> They'll let you download them, one way or another. They'll work something out
> with
>> this. People would get too pissed.
>>
>>
>
>
> I doubt it unless there were waves of people. Also, with the way most games are
> now you'd be SOL with physical copies as well. How many games require an update
> before playing?

How often do those day 1 patches fix completely game breaking bugs though? Practically never, its just to clean up stupid stuff that the majority of people don't notice or to fix some of the online components.
longhornsk57
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30-Dec(#20)
I'm all digital for PSVR and Switch games I intend to keep for a long time.

It really is so much easier to not have to switch discs and carts.

For RPG type games or games I play to beat, like Nier, persona 5, Mario Odyssey etc, I like to buy physical, beat, then sell.

But ARMS, splatoon 2, Mario kart, etc I go all digital. Usually buy eshop at 85% average, so the games are about the same.
tonymack21
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* 30-Dec(#21)
Archer wrote:
> Karaiya wrote:
>> I'm slowly transitioning to all digital.
>
> Me too. This last year I only bought 12 physical games all year. And about 40+ digital.
> I expect to buy even less physical games this year. Its just easier. But the problem
> is, its not cheaper.

Ya you have to wait for big sales to get them cheaper but sometimes the prices are crazy good on digital. I go digital alot now, all my PC is digital, and 80+% of my console stuff is.

If it's a game I know I'd keep I go digital when I get a good price. I love the cheapness of digital when the games are on sale. Space is a concern for me as well so digital is great. It also makes owning more games easier. Suikoden 2 for $100+? No way... PSN for $5? Sweet. Digital whether pan/xbl/steam or emulation makes it possible for some to get and play games they otherwise wouldn't.

If it's a game I want to play or support at release I'll use Amazons prime savings and then get it digital and trade it later.

Finn
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30-Dec(#22)
The start of this gen I was pretty anti digital on console. Now I figure at least 40% of the non indie games I have are all digital. I will never be ready to go 100% I still love physical games and being able to trade them but PSN has really been killing it with flash sales... It seems they are really looking at the steam model., And it's working.


For now FPS and sports games will always be digital solutions because by the time I am done with them they are basically worthless and don't trade or sell for anything.



benstylus
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31-Dec(#23)
dustin11 wrote:
> How often do those day 1 patches fix completely game breaking bugs though? Practically
> never, its just to clean up stupid stuff that the majority of people don't notice
> or to fix some of the online components.

Many of them are for online components. Most games are playable to the end offline even without the patch.

There are also some instances where the day 1 patch actually breaks the game, too. An example that affected me was Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed on Wii U, where the day one patch broke a particular type of race, making it impossible (it's a timed race, where you gain additional time as you go through gates, but the patch accidentally got rid of all the gates, so you couldn't win).

It was fixed in a later patch, but there were several days where you just had to lose those races three times to get a pity-pass to be able to move to the next one.

Good times!
DiamondDave
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31-Dec(#24)
(sells off PS4 Pro to upgrade video card) I am now moving to digital games. raspberry
razeak
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31-Dec(#25)

Dofitial is for cheap games for me. I wait on reductions for pretty much everything whether it's physical or not. Steam pricing is usually good.
DiamondDave
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31-Dec(#26)
Steam's better more often, but they used to discount a LOOOOT deeper than they do these days. I find better sales occasionally on PSN than you can find on Steam (rarely the case, if ever, with Microsoft's digital store, but they also have some exclusives and the nice BWC aspect).
dustin11
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31-Dec(#27)
benstylus wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> How often do those day 1 patches fix completely game breaking bugs though? Practically
>> never, its just to clean up stupid stuff that the majority of people don't notice
>> or to fix some of the online components.
>
> Many of them are for online components. Most games are playable to the end offline
> even without the patch.
>
> There are also some instances where the day 1 patch actually breaks the game, too.
> An example that affected me was Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed on Wii U, where
> the day one patch broke a particular type of race, making it impossible (it's a timed
> race, where you gain additional time as you go through gates, but the patch accidentally
> got rid of all the gates, so you couldn't win).
>
> It was fixed in a later patch, but there were several days where you just had to
> lose those races three times to get a pity-pass to be able to move to the next one.
>
> Good times!

That's pretty much was I was thinking, that the day 1 patches are typically only to fix online potions of the game and very rarely ever fix anything single player.
DefaultGen
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31-Dec(#28)
My Steam and GOG games never go out of date as I upgrade hardware so I'm fine buying digital PC games (but will go physical if there's no discount). I have no desire to tie a game license to a piece of hardware that becomes outdated in a few years and has the online component eventually shut off.

Topic   Has the majority moved to digital games?