While I was on paternity leave, I fell into a rabbit hole with YouTube channels like My Life in Gaming and Modern Vintage Gamer, and websites like RetroRGB and Video Game Perfection.
For those of you that aren't familiar with these guys or what they talk about, they're interested in getting the best picture possible from older/retro consoles on modern HDTVs. Consoles before the sixth generation (PS2, Xbox, Dreamcast, GameCube) usually output at 320x240 resolution, which most modern TVs either don't support or don't display well. You need a battery of speciality devices and high-end cables to get crisp, accurate visuals on digital screens with no additional input lag.
There's a bunch of retro gamers here. Have any of you messed around with this stuff? Do you have older consoles hooked up to newer TVs, or keep an old school CRT hooked up for all your retro stuff?
I found it all really interesting, especially when you start learning about the lengths people are going to in order to modernize retro hardware. There are modders out there that will add HDMI to a Nintendo 64, put Bluetooth in a Dreamcast controller, or replace your Saturn CD-ROM with a SD card reader.
> I could write a mini-novel on this subject but I'll make it short.
> Buy an OSSC.
And don't use $9 Aliexpress cables.
> Gypsy wrote:
>> I could write a mini-novel on this subject but I'll make it short.
>> Buy an OSSC.
> And don't use $9 Aliexpress cables.
This is good advice for everything. I use bluejeans audio cables and I have a lot of composite, svideo and ypbpr cables that were from tv stations, a video editing studio etc... Obviously that isn't always possible but just sticking to well made cables is a good idea. HDMI I haven't noticed a big difference but I am sure if you really scraped the bottom of the barrel there are bad HDMI cables.Renaissance2K wrote:
> OSSC sales are supposed to start back up for the rest of the world (i.e. not Europe)
> by the end of next week. Unless there's a mad rush on their store, I hope to pick
> one up then.
You should be fine. The days of it being a total rat race are over I think.
If I didn't have a CRT (which you can get cheap or even free just about anywhere now) I would probably go with the framemeister, maybe even a analogue system. Had a Retron 5, don't recommend it.
Unless you're super picky, are going for records or have have an incredibly crapty modern tv, don't bother.
I have interesting results in my PS2 journey using Monster© component cables on various HD televisions from different eras. The most modern flat screen in our home is a Vizio smart tv from 2016. The next is a small Samsung HD tv I got by a dumpster, and the oldest is a 4:3 "HDTV" with component cable inputs. My initial thought that the oldest HD television would have the best compatibility with the system but it's strangely not the case. The Samsung is the winner by a long shot! I have never seen the ps2 look so clean and the resolution is gorgeous. I don't know the model of the trash tv but I definitely don't regret getting it. I would like to get an old school CRT monitor (specifically for this Sony product) as I think that would be the experience I am looking for.
What I want to know is: Are there devices that can take my component signal and adapt them to HDMI AND support games that switch from interlaced to progressive scan modes (i.e. Silent Hill menus and the like) in-game. I see a lot of great products out there that do what you'd think, but when it comes down to specifically playing the Silent Hill series, I always hear there are issues with these methods. I am wanting to bring the game into the lives of those in my sphere of influence, but I don't want to sacrifice the quality of the game.
I have also been considering building a small room, putting a sizable 4:3 CRT with component cable input and a "vintage" 5.1 dolby surround system and just calling it The Haunt Box. Survival horror preservation....
> What I want to know is: Are there devices that can take my component signal and adapt
> them to HDMI AND support games that switch from interlaced to progressive scan modes
> (i.e. Silent Hill menus and the like) in-game. I see a lot of great products out
> there that do what you'd think, but when it comes down to specifically playing the
> Silent Hill series, I always hear there are issues with these methods. I am wanting
> to bring the game into the lives of those in my sphere of influence, but I don't
> want to sacrifice the quality of the game.
My Life in Gaming calls this the "Chrono Cross effect", and the only consistent solution they found is to play the game on a backwards compatible PS3. All the big name upscaler devices lose sync when the game switches resolutions.
Don't bother wasting time and money on that crap, For 8 and 16 bit games use Retroarch with Higan core,CRT royale shader and use the retroarch run ahead latency option. With this you will get a better look, less input lag than real hardware, 100% accuracy and you don't have to upscale the resolution. 8 bit and 16 bit games look bad on high resolutions I also use emulators for systems like gamecube and dreamcast the games look much better in 4k.
the only time i used my systems were for 8bit or 16 bit games when i had my CRT TV. the other systems i feel look a lot better using a emulator on a high resolution.
lol i see contempt from elitist collectors, retrophiles and weebo retro gamers.
> Depending on which consoles you plan on playing analogue products may make sense for you if
> SNES or genesis.
I already have a Super NT and a Mega SG, and I love them both. I'm all for playing on original hardware, but Analogue's stuff is just so well made that I'll make an exception for them.
I also have a RetroUSB AVS (which I used for Frank's GOTM Club this month) but without Analogue's tweaking options or design language, I've been less enthused about it.
I have a set of Genesis HD Retrovision cables if you are interested. Also I enjoy my AVS but do agree I wish Analogue would go back to the NES well and make a device like the Super NT at or around that cost. I just them to make a PCE and Saturn system and I will sell my OSSC.
I'm interested in these cables too, heard some buzz. Can anyone tell me more about getting a Dreamcast to output via hdmi? I follow Adam Koralik and the Keep Dreaming series for his input on vintage consoles outputting native resolution to modern displays but would like to hear from this community about what they use
They are the Genesis 2 HD Retrovision cables. You can buy an adapter for them to work with Saturn, PS, and Genesis 1 or 3. I have an extra set.
> I'm interested in these cables too, heard some buzz. Can anyone tell me more about
> getting a Dreamcast to output via hdmi? I follow Adam Koralik and the Keep Dreaming
> series for his input on vintage consoles outputting native resolution to modern displays
> but would like to hear from this community about what they use
I had the Beharbros HDMI thing for Dreamcast and it's good. I only sold it because I decided I didn't need it around when I still just want to play DC on a VGA CRT monitor.
> They are the Genesis 2 HD Retrovision cables. You can buy an adapter for them to
> work with Saturn, PS, and Genesis 1 or 3. I have an extra set.
Extra meaning, you'd trade/sell?
> RobotVM wrote:
>> They are the Genesis 2 HD Retrovision cables. You can buy an adapter for them
>> work with Saturn, PS, and Genesis 1 or 3. I have an extra set.
> Extra meaning, you'd trade/sell?
Yes I have 2 sets. One is for my Saturn and the other for my model 2 Genesis. I got a Mega SG so I don't need the model 2 or HD Retrovision cables anymore. Both are up for grabs.
> Hes selling a model 2 genesis which can output rgb on scart without any additional
> hardware. It can output almost rgb over component without modification with the
> hdretrovision cable hes also selling. Some TVs will work with the component cable
> straight plugged in if your TV can handle 240p resolution over component. Some wont
> and you would need to run it through an ossc to get a video signal the TV can use.
What he said. If you have a CRT these cables are the best you can get. If you have an HD TV there is a small chance it might accept the signal but if it doesn't there is only 2 really good options the Retrotink and OSSC. Retrotink is cheaper but also has way less fine tuning setting and does only 2x the resolution which would be 480p. OSSC can go to 5x. It is a rabbit hole but if you get a cheap CRT with Component input these cables will help you get the most out of a Genesis. I love my set I use with my Saturn but I also have an OSSC. Like I said earlier I plan to dump the OSSC once there is an FPGA Saturn but who know if it will ever happen and when.
I think you need an adapter for Sega Model 3 according to castlemania
> What else do you plan on putting through it?
Pretty much everything that doesn't have HDMI in some fashion: 3DO (via an RGB mod, if I happen to track one down, or the Koryuu device that just got announced by VGP), OG PlayStation, PlayStation 2, GameCube (for displaying Game Boy Player in 240p), and Xbox.
The benefits aren't as great for Xbox and PS2, but it means I can keep everything on the same component switch.
> S-video is really nice, especially if you're coming from composite or RF. The jump
> to component from s-video is nowhere near as dramatic as the jump to s-video from
> whatever entry level connector.
Strongly agree. Proper Svideo is great bang for your buck.
> Got my OSSC yesterday. I've had the best results hooking it up to a Saturn so far.
> My other consoles need a bit of tweaking.
I find 3X gets the best results.
> Does your tv not have component inputs @Admiral ? Stuff looks great with those HD
> Retrovision cables on a regular old CRT. Cheaper than dealing with the color space
> conversion yourself.
Truth. Just make sure your TV supports 240p before you shell out the cash for them:https://www.hdretrovision.com/240p#test
If it does and you're interested in the cables, I'm probably going to end up with one too many of sets, so I'll match RobotVM's price that he just posted.
In other news, OSSC is back in stock at a lower price and shipping to the US again:https://www.videogameperfection.com/products/open-...
> Ah, my Trinitron DOES accept component. My LED Sony 75" doesn't do 240p though.
> I'm just not sure I want to shell out $60 for cables, and maybe another $100-$150
> on an OSSC just to play Genesis
Just the cable to your older CRT TV will work, and look GREAT. No need for the OSSC.
The main reason I went with HD Retrovision and OSSC was because I could use a Component switch.
Anyone have any experience or suggestions for getting a Slim Playstation 2 to hook up to HDMI? I have a GAEMS Vanguard, but it only accepts HDMI cables, no component/composite. My 32" LED TV allows composite and component... but, component seems to be imperfect for the PS2, because I noticed some graphical weirdness in Champions of Norrath that wasn't present on a smaller (12"? LED/LCD) TV. Though, it seemed to be okay for God of War II, so I"m not sure what's going on with the Norrath game.
Even after reading up on all this graphics stuff, it's all greek to me!
Meaning, I am none the wiser for knowing what cables and adapters will work and what won't work.
Pound makes a HDMI cable for PS2 it won't be 480p though
> Anyone have any experience or suggestions for getting a Slim Playstation 2 to hook
> up to HDMI? I have a GAEMS Vanguard, but it only accepts HDMI cables, no component/composite.
> My 32" LED TV allows composite and component... but, component seems to be imperfect
> for the PS2, because I noticed some graphical weirdness in Champions of Norrath that
> wasn't present on a smaller (12"? LED/LCD) TV. Though, it seemed to be okay for God
> of War II, so I"m not sure what's going on with the Norrath game.
> Even after reading up on all this graphics stuff, it's all greek to me!
> I am none the wiser for knowing what cables and adapters will work and what won't
I recently watched a video on the Pound cable but I can't seem to track it down again. Here's what I remember:
- It forces a stretched aspect ratio, 4:3 to 16:9, making all your characters look squished and fat.
- The colors aren't accurate.
- It adds input lag.
If those things bother you, you can try a RetroTink 2X (~$100, but you can't run 480p games with it), OSSC (~$200), Framemeister (~$360), or even a launch PS3 with backwards compatibility. Am I forgetting anything?
I've read about OSSC, it sounds like a magic box of wonderful (as in, it can do everything you'd want it to do). But, last I looked (which was last year), it seems like it requires quite a bit of know-how to operate - or am I wrong? Are there good guides so that even a not-so-tech-savvy person can get it up and running smoothly?