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Topic   Older Consoles on Modern TVs

Renaissance2K
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11-Apr(#1)
While I was on paternity leave, I fell into a rabbit hole with YouTube channels like My Life in Gaming and Modern Vintage Gamer, and websites like RetroRGB and Video Game Perfection.

For those of you that aren't familiar with these guys or what they talk about, they're interested in getting the best picture possible from older/retro consoles on modern HDTVs. Consoles before the sixth generation (PS2, Xbox, Dreamcast, GameCube) usually output at 320x240 resolution, which most modern TVs either don't support or don't display well. You need a battery of speciality devices and high-end cables to get crisp, accurate visuals on digital screens with no additional input lag.

There's a bunch of retro gamers here. Have any of you messed around with this stuff? Do you have older consoles hooked up to newer TVs, or keep an old school CRT hooked up for all your retro stuff?

I found it all really interesting, especially when you start learning about the lengths people are going to in order to modernize retro hardware. There are modders out there that will add HDMI to a Nintendo 64, put Bluetooth in a Dreamcast controller, or replace your Saturn CD-ROM with a SD card reader.


Scott
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11-Apr(#2)
I use a Trinitron for my retro stuff, but when it finally bites the dust I'll probably look in to the best way to hook them up to a modern tv.

Gypsy
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11-Apr(#3)
I could write a mini-novel on this subject but I'll make it short.

Buy an OSSC.
DefaultGen
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11-Apr(#4)
Gypsy wrote:
> I could write a mini-novel on this subject but I'll make it short.
>
> Buy an OSSC.

And don't use $9 Aliexpress cables.

Renaissance2K
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11-Apr(#5)
OSSC sales are supposed to start back up for the rest of the world (i.e. not Europe) by the end of next week. Unless there's a mad rush on their store, I hope to pick one up then.

Gypsy
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* 11-Apr(#6)
DefaultGen wrote:
> Gypsy wrote:
>> I could write a mini-novel on this subject but I'll make it short.
>>
>> Buy an OSSC.
>
> And don't use $9 Aliexpress cables.
>
>

This is good advice for everything. I use bluejeans audio cables and I have a lot of composite, svideo and ypbpr cables that were from tv stations, a video editing studio etc... Obviously that isn't always possible but just sticking to well made cables is a good idea. HDMI I haven't noticed a big difference but I am sure if you really scraped the bottom of the barrel there are bad HDMI cables.

Renaissance2K wrote:
> OSSC sales are supposed to start back up for the rest of the world (i.e. not Europe)
> by the end of next week. Unless there's a mad rush on their store, I hope to pick
> one up then.
>
>

You should be fine. The days of it being a total rat race are over I think.
bluemetal04
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11-Apr(#7)
If I didn't have a CRT (which you can get cheap or even free just about anywhere now) I would probably go with the framemeister, maybe even a analogue system. Had a Retron 5, don't recommend it.

KCPenguins
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11-Apr(#8)
Unless you're super picky, are going for records or have have an incredibly crapty modern tv, don't bother.
Alaisiagae
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* 12-Apr(#9)
This site has thorough reviews of dozens of those converter devices: http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/
SirCorn
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12-Apr(#10)
I have interesting results in my PS2 journey using Monster© component cables on various HD televisions from different eras. The most modern flat screen in our home is a Vizio smart tv from 2016. The next is a small Samsung HD tv I got by a dumpster, and the oldest is a 4:3 "HDTV" with component cable inputs. My initial thought that the oldest HD television would have the best compatibility with the system but it's strangely not the case. The Samsung is the winner by a long shot! I have never seen the ps2 look so clean and the resolution is gorgeous. I don't know the model of the trash tv but I definitely don't regret getting it. I would like to get an old school CRT monitor (specifically for this Sony product) as I think that would be the experience I am looking for.

What I want to know is: Are there devices that can take my component signal and adapt them to HDMI AND support games that switch from interlaced to progressive scan modes (i.e. Silent Hill menus and the like) in-game. I see a lot of great products out there that do what you'd think, but when it comes down to specifically playing the Silent Hill series, I always hear there are issues with these methods. I am wanting to bring the game into the lives of those in my sphere of influence, but I don't want to sacrifice the quality of the game.

I have also been considering building a small room, putting a sizable 4:3 CRT with component cable input and a "vintage" 5.1 dolby surround system and just calling it The Haunt Box. Survival horror preservation....
Renaissance2K
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* 12-Apr(#11)
SirCorn wrote:
> What I want to know is: Are there devices that can take my component signal and adapt
> them to HDMI AND support games that switch from interlaced to progressive scan modes
> (i.e. Silent Hill menus and the like) in-game. I see a lot of great products out
> there that do what you'd think, but when it comes down to specifically playing the
> Silent Hill series, I always hear there are issues with these methods. I am wanting
> to bring the game into the lives of those in my sphere of influence, but I don't
> want to sacrifice the quality of the game.

My Life in Gaming calls this the "Chrono Cross effect", and the only consistent solution they found is to play the game on a backwards compatible PS3. All the big name upscaler devices lose sync when the game switches resolutions.

Wheels617
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* 12-Apr(#12)
Ossc is good stuff r2k. Component and rgb make old games look years younger if you aren't used to having played them that way back when they were en vogue. Depending on which consoles you plan on playing analogue products may make sense for you if SNES or genesis.
proudtobelatino
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* 13-Apr(#13)
Don't bother wasting time and money on that crap, For 8 and 16 bit games use Retroarch with Higan core,CRT royale shader and use the retroarch run ahead latency option. With this you will get a better look, less input lag than real hardware, 100% accuracy and you don't have to upscale the resolution. 8 bit and 16 bit games look bad on high resolutions I also use emulators for systems like gamecube and dreamcast the games look much better in 4k.

the only time i used my systems were for 8bit or 16 bit games when i had my CRT TV. the other systems i feel look a lot better using a emulator on a high resolution.

lol i see contempt from elitist collectors, retrophiles and weebo retro gamers.

Renaissance2K
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13-Apr(#14)
Wheels617 wrote:
> Depending on which consoles you plan on playing analogue products may make sense for you if
> SNES or genesis.

I already have a Super NT and a Mega SG, and I love them both. I'm all for playing on original hardware, but Analogue's stuff is just so well made that I'll make an exception for them.

I also have a RetroUSB AVS (which I used for Frank's GOTM Club this month) but without Analogue's tweaking options or design language, I've been less enthused about it.

Admiral
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14-Apr(#15)
OSSC is the "Framemeister" open source, yes?

Are you guys using scart for old systems?
Wheels617
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14-Apr(#16)
Scart for pce genesis neo geo saturn yes
Admiral
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14-Apr(#17)
Baller
Wheels617
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* 15-Apr(#18)
Only thing that needed a mod for that was the pce. Everything else is native rgb.
Admiral
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16-Apr(#19)
So it goes like this?

System -> RGB Scart -> OSSC -> HDMI -> TV

?
Wheels617
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* 16-Apr(#20)
Yep. Or component into the ossc if that's an easier connection for your purposes. HD retro vision cables for SNES or genesis or component for gamecube. Ossc also has VGA input for all your dreamcast needs.
RobotVM
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* 16-Apr(#21)
I have a set of Genesis HD Retrovision cables if you are interested. Also I enjoy my AVS but do agree I wish Analogue would go back to the NES well and make a device like the Super NT at or around that cost. I just them to make a PCE and Saturn system and I will sell my OSSC.

Admiral
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17-Apr(#22)
Yummy...tell me more about these "Retro Vision" cables....?
SirCorn
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17-Apr(#23)
I'm interested in these cables too, heard some buzz. Can anyone tell me more about getting a Dreamcast to output via hdmi? I follow Adam Koralik and the Keep Dreaming series for his input on vintage consoles outputting native resolution to modern displays but would like to hear from this community about what they use
RobotVM
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17-Apr(#24)
They are the Genesis 2 HD Retrovision cables. You can buy an adapter for them to work with Saturn, PS, and Genesis 1 or 3. I have an extra set.

Gypsy
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17-Apr(#25)
SirCorn wrote:
> I'm interested in these cables too, heard some buzz. Can anyone tell me more about
> getting a Dreamcast to output via hdmi? I follow Adam Koralik and the Keep Dreaming
> series for his input on vintage consoles outputting native resolution to modern displays
> but would like to hear from this community about what they use

I had the Beharbros HDMI thing for Dreamcast and it's good. I only sold it because I decided I didn't need it around when I still just want to play DC on a VGA CRT monitor.
Admiral
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17-Apr(#26)
RobotVM wrote:
> They are the Genesis 2 HD Retrovision cables. You can buy an adapter for them to
> work with Saturn, PS, and Genesis 1 or 3. I have an extra set.
>
>

Extra meaning, you'd trade/sell?
RobotVM
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17-Apr(#27)
Admiral wrote:
> RobotVM wrote:
>> They are the Genesis 2 HD Retrovision cables. You can buy an adapter for them
> to
>> work with Saturn, PS, and Genesis 1 or 3. I have an extra set.
>>
>>
>
> Extra meaning, you'd trade/sell?

Yes I have 2 sets. One is for my Saturn and the other for my model 2 Genesis. I got a Mega SG so I don't need the model 2 or HD Retrovision cables anymore. Both are up for grabs.

Admiral
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12:05pm(#28)
So just to clarify -

You have a model 2 Genesis Scart or HDMI?

Saturn scart or HDMI?

What do you want for them? Sorry if these are stupid questions...
Wheels617
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12:16pm(#29)
Hes selling a model 2 genesis which can output rgb on scart without any additional hardware. It can output almost rgb over component without modification with the hdretrovision cable hes also selling. Some TVs will work with the component cable straight plugged in if your TV can handle 240p resolution over component. Some wont and you would need to run it through an ossc to get a video signal the TV can use.
Wheels617
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* 12:19pm(#30)
Saturn can also do rgb scart out of the box. I think that what he is saying though is that you can also use the hd retrovision cable with a Saturn if you get an adapter for it.
RobotVM
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* 12:22pm(#31)
Wheels617 wrote:
> Hes selling a model 2 genesis which can output rgb on scart without any additional
> hardware. It can output almost rgb over component without modification with the
> hdretrovision cable hes also selling. Some TVs will work with the component cable
> straight plugged in if your TV can handle 240p resolution over component. Some wont
> and you would need to run it through an ossc to get a video signal the TV can use.
>

What he said. If you have a CRT these cables are the best you can get. If you have an HD TV there is a small chance it might accept the signal but if it doesn't there is only 2 really good options the Retrotink and OSSC. Retrotink is cheaper but also has way less fine tuning setting and does only 2x the resolution which would be 480p. OSSC can go to 5x. It is a rabbit hole but if you get a cheap CRT with Component input these cables will help you get the most out of a Genesis. I love my set I use with my Saturn but I also have an OSSC. Like I said earlier I plan to dump the OSSC once there is an FPGA Saturn but who know if it will ever happen and when.

Gypsy
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12:39pm(#32)
@RobotVM Looking for anything in trade?
Wheels617
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1:32pm(#33)
These will also work on model 3 genesis sega nomad sega cdx sega 32x and jvc xeye as well with no adapters on the console end.
RobotVM
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1:42pm(#34)
I think you need an adapter for Sega Model 3 according to castlemania

Wheels617
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1:56pm(#35)
The model 1 is the one that requires the adapter as it uses a different video port. Model 3 is a okay except for mono sound.
Renaissance2K
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2:26pm(#36)
Got my OSSC yesterday. I've had the best results hooking it up to a Saturn so far. My other consoles need a bit of tweaking.

Wheels617
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2:30pm(#37)
What else do you plan on putting through it?
Renaissance2K
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8:00pm(#38)
> What else do you plan on putting through it?

Pretty much everything that doesn't have HDMI in some fashion: 3DO (via an RGB mod, if I happen to track one down, or the Koryuu device that just got announced by VGP), OG PlayStation, PlayStation 2, GameCube (for displaying Game Boy Player in 240p), and Xbox.

The benefits aren't as great for Xbox and PS2, but it means I can keep everything on the same component switch.

Topic   Older Consoles on Modern TVs