Now that the PlayStation 5 console design and a ton of exclusive games were announced in today's stream. I think it's fitting for the PS5 to have it's own dedicated discussion thread. Will update with PSNs of those with a PS5 when that day arrives.
What'd you guys think of the event?
The new Ratchet looks amazing!
Project Athia looks cool.
3D Platforming Sackboy a big adventure was a cool surprise!
Kena Bridge of Spirits looks like a cool open world game, similar to horizon
Ghostwire is a cool FPS, giving me slight Bioshock vigor vibes
Astro's Playroom looks like another 3D platformer with VR (presumably)
Deathloop a cool bethesda FPS
Village looks like cool first person horror
Horizon 2 now known as Horizon: Forbidden West is finally unveiled and looks beautiful!
> dustin11 wrote:
>> I saved most of the big games that have released the last 9 months to play on
> a better
>> next gen console, so not having reliable BC day one for me would be an issue.
> Do you have a PS4? For some reason I thought you were only xbox
No, Xbox and Switch. I skipped PS4 and have said in the past that I would be interested in getting a PS5 after they showed R&C but it won't be until a a price drop and more interesting looking games are available. Since I skipped out on PS4 I would want to use PS5's BC to play the handful of games that still interest me from last gen but if Sony can't get around to communicating how BC works and what games will be available on the program then I likely won't be interested in getting a PS5 until much later than I was originally planning.
> No, Xbox and Switch. I skipped PS4 and have said in the past that I would be interested
> in getting a PS5 after they showed R&C but it won't be until a a price drop and more
> interesting looking games are available. Since I skipped out on PS4 I would want
> to use PS5's BC to play the handful of games that still interest me from last gen
> but if Sony can't get around to communicating how BC works and what games will be
> available on the program then I likely won't be interested in getting a PS5 until
> much later than I was originally planning.
Which games were you looking at?
> dustin11 wrote:
>> No, Xbox and Switch. I skipped PS4 and have said in the past that I would be interested
>> in getting a PS5 after they showed R&C but it won't be until a a price drop and
>> interesting looking games are available. Since I skipped out on PS4 I would want
>> to use PS5's BC to play the handful of games that still interest me from last
>> but if Sony can't get around to communicating how BC works and what games will
>> available on the program then I likely won't be interested in getting a PS5 until
>> much later than I was originally planning.
> Which games were you looking at?
God of War, Uncharted (I've never played one, so that trilogy thing), R&C remake, maybe Nioh, Shadow of the Colossus remake, and Last Guardian.There is no way I'm touching this console until it gets a slim model so hopefully Sony figures out BC by then. At launch though Sony seems to really be having a hard time keeping their messaging straight so I don't really know whats going on with them. I just don't think that Jim Ryan is a good fit at his position. Hes been Sony's Don Mattrick this past month.
Ya I suspect people who skipped the entire generation and now want to start playing PS4 games on their PS5 is going to be a very rare group, but in your case I would definitely wait to see and make sure all those games will work.
We know God of War, UC4, The Last Guardian, and R&C are because they are included it the initial PS Plus pack, along with awesome games like Days Gone, Persona 5, and a few others.
If you already were not going to buy it for a few years then it's really a moot point anyways to mention or even worry about it right now.
The concern is that the guy whos in charge of PS5 is the same guy who has a history of not liking BC so I don't think its going to be a very big priority for team and for all we know they decide there is too heavy of a financial investment before long and they just shut the whole thing down to anything other then just the first initial batch. There is also the legitimate concern that their BC implantation will be half baked and we'll hardly see any amount of benefits those games get from being on new hardware.
I think if their BC solution were good then we would be hearing a lot more about it, so I think they've been very quiet about it for a reason.
I mean that's all just conjecture. PS4 BC is obviously a much different animal than PS3 and before, so this is a whole new ballgame and just because someone didn't care for old console BC doesn't mean anything, they said they'd handle most PS4 games so I wouldn't worry, you're not even planning on buying a PS5 for years to come so I am sure it will be resolved by then.
At some point you have to phase out old consoles and transition to new ones, so as long as the first batch makes it I would be OK with them cutting it off at some point, and not being like MS and making games for the lowest common denominator.
Its nice to have access to the games you've bought on a console's ecosystem any time you buy a newer console without worrying about it. Its even nicer to have those games play better on the new hardware you just dropped $500 on.
> Its nice to have access to the games you've bought on a console's ecosystem any time
> you buy a newer console without worrying about it. Its even nicer to have those games
> play better on the new hardware you just dropped $500 on.
Ya I mean I actually do agree with you on that point, especially since so many titles were bought digitally this era.
My guess is that the vast majority of PS4 games will work just fine on the PS5 right away. Hideaki Nishino (Senior VP for Platform Planning and Management) provided an update to the March statement, saying, "We believe that the overwhelming majority of the 4,000+ PS4 titles will be playable on PS5. We're expecting backward compatible titles will run at a boosted frequency on PS5 so that they can benefit from higher or more stable frame rates and potential higher resolutions. We're currently evaluating games on a title-by-title basis to spot any issues that need adjustment from the original software developers...We have already tested hundreds of titles and are preparing to test thousands more as we move toward launch..."
Ya I'm thinking any major games will be fine.
I'm hoping all my PSVR games work too
> My guess is BWC on PS5 will be pretty similar to Xbox at launch. 'Cept for the 360/Xbox
> BWC of course
> Bloodborne needs a PS5 patch at launch tho. I suspect that game's still gonna be
> hard capped and laggy, since modders have already increased framerates and such through
> soft patching.
It's part of the PS Plus Collection so I am sure it will be playable day one
It could be similar to XSX in terms of library but I don't think their BC method will be very close in terms of the upgrade quality that we'll see on the Xbox side. FPS possibly but not any of the auto hdr or resolution enhancements.
Well that kind of stuff can't be helped.
Thankfully the big titles already had HDR and pretty good performance on PS4 so most games are going to run really well on the PS5, not sure about Bloodborne but we'll see, but every big PS4 game is going to run and look great, even if it won't auto-add some fake AI HDR into much older games, which I am not sure how much that actually does.
Uncharted, TLoU 1&2, R&C etc, are going to be pretty awesome and I am excited actually because I never did beat R&C so I can play that right before Rift in time.
From what I've seen, any game which had a locked frame rate or any kind of frame cap by the dev will not see frame rate increases higher than the dev allowed unless they convince the dev to go in and change their code. Some issues which have been ran into are instances where things like the crowd or other things in the environment ran at higher frame rates than the character did so trying to force a game to double the FPS resulted in those environment assets moving at a 2x animation speed than intended which resulted in random things looking like it was moving in fast forward. BC is can be a far more complex thing unless they're only goal is to stabilize uneven frame rates.
I'm not really worried about all that, the good games and exclusives played really well on my Pro with occasional dips that won't be there on the PS5.
I didn't nitpick every game that was slightly better on the PS4 which overpowered the Xbox One and I don't intend to start now.
I'm sure these games are going to play awesome and I can't wait for the console release
I mean I'm not gonna cry over not being able to play obscure PS4 games on PS5, or even some B level titles like say Spongebob or Destroy All Humans or older games like Thief or even bigger titles like Fallout 4 or anything from Bethesda now that Microsoft is probably putting them on lock 🔐 and key 🔑. If I ever wanna play those 3rd party Or obscure oddball games again, I'll just go to daddy X where the nostalgia fields are ripe with all kinds of goodies.
Yeah, I think the PS5's BC will be serviceable for the most part, I don't think that they're trying to compete head to head with Ms on that front.
Ya they don't really need to focus on little things like that of little consequence. Personally I want them to keep attention on want win them the console war of this generation which is making better games.
MS can do BC all the way back to 360 and Xbox and an affordable weaker version console and subscription service, which they're successful at, but I'd want Sony to keep focus on making much better exclusives and a great VR experience.
I don't think Sony will have any trouble with exclusives. TLOU2 and Ghost this year and, if the dates hold, having sequels to Horizon and God of War next year will really be something. I can't wait for the new Horizon with haptic feedback on bows. longhornsk57 wrote:
> Ya they don't really need to focus on little things like that of little consequence.
> Personally I want them to keep attention on want win them the console war of this
> generation which is making better games.
> MS can do BC all the way back to 360 and Xbox and an affordable weaker version console
> and subscription service, which they're successful at, but I'd want Sony to keep
> focus on making much better exclusives and a great VR experience.
Ya but I want them more focused on that kinda stuff like new God of war, more amazing games from naughty dog, a Days Gone sequel, stuff that MS hasn't been able to sniff at, and let MS worry about emulating 360 games and gamepass and all that other stuff.
That dualsense controller on the new Horizon is going to be amazing, as well as spiderman, playing that while thing again is going to be incredible and miles morales, along with ratchet and clank. PS5 going to kill it
I don't care who wins some imaginary console war and sells the most plastic boxes, I'm more concerned with who gives me the most value for my money. I think that MS will put Bethesda, id Software, and the rest of their 35 dev teams (plus whoever else they're going to lock down here soon since they're in the process of buying more studios) to pretty good use next gen so I'm not really worried about game flow next gen and the bonus with everything landing day one on GP will be that much more of a killer deal.
Downplaying BC because your console isn't good at it is an interesting take too, but there is a large segment of gamers who it is important to:image
It boils down to convenience at the end of the day to me in regards to BC. I don't think many people, including myself, have the space to house all these consoles to keep playing old games who wish to keep and play old games. I mean still have a PS3 and that's solely because I refuse to pay Sony money for streaming old games on their fly by night streaming game service. So if Microsoft is going to be the staple in the next generation of consoles to offer the most BC so be it. At least someone is going that extra mile, catering to the 30% who want it.
Not sure who you're talking to Dustin, I'm getting both consoles and have had both an X1X and PS4 Pro and have GPU so I'm actually less invested in some imaginary console war than you are.
My point is that I don't really need Sony to invest time in something I'm not interested in and I don't really know anyone who cares much about it. You think having a weaker version of the next gen console and subscription to games is a better value and a few people on twitter agree, that's cool.
I prefer to have both, and I prefer Sony to do what they do best which is make better and more exclusives, I don't want them trying to copy MS because they're much better than MS at that aspect, MS is better at subscription based and cloud based gaming
> Downplaying BC because your console isn't good at it is an interesting take too,
> but there is a large segment of gamers who it is important to:
Honestly it's the biggest reason I buy a PS4 to play an exclusive and immediately sell it off again. It's very frustrating to see Sony go from BWC Champion (second only to Nintendo's handheld line) to disdain, outright contemptuous practices, especially when their back catalog is full of the best stuff ever created. It's the reason I keep a PS3 to this day; the digital selection for PS2/PS1 games is phenomenal... and VERY affordable. Which is probably why they stopped offering it.
Now shut up and buy Shadow of the Colossus again for $40.
On the FLIP side, playing Knights of the Old Republic, an Xbox title, at 4K with unlocked framerate while people are clamoring for a remake (by current Bioware? I couldn't tell you why) is very
I did play RDR and Alan Wake on my X1X so there is some value there, it just doesn't bother me that much that Sony isn't as much about the BC life
> Not sure who you're talking to Dustin, I'm getting both consoles and have had both
> an X1X and PS4 Pro and have GPU so I'm actually less invested in some imaginary console
> war than you are.
> My point is that I don't really need Sony to invest time in something I'm not interested
> in and I don't really know anyone who cares much about it. You think having a weaker
> version of the next gen console and subscription to games is a better value and a
> few people on twitter agree, that's cool.
> I prefer to have both, and I prefer Sony to do what they do best which is make better
> and more exclusives, I don't want them trying to copy MS because they're much better
> than MS at that aspect, MS is better at subscription based and cloud based gaming
I too plan on getting both consoles. Might as well have the best of both worlds, which I guess was the point I was trying to get across.
Yeah, I've got a PS5 and a Series X preordered as well, and I'm not super concerned about Sony embracing BC, as I'm holding onto a PS4 Pro and a PS3 for the foreseeable future. I will say that BC convinced me to buy a One X originally though, because I wasn't really that interested in Halo or Gears or Forza, but I did want to play Fable II and III and some 360 RPG exclusives that I missed with better resolution. It's also pretty clutch that you get to keep 360 games from Games with Gold.
> Personally I want them to keep attention on want win them the console war of this generation which is making better games.
> I'm getting both consoles and have had both
> an X1X and PS4 Pro and have GPU so I'm actually less invested in some imaginary console
> war than you are.
Curious, are you saying there is a console war or it's imaginary?
Dustin was accusing me of forwarding some kind of console war or favoring the PS5 as if it was "my console" - that's what my response as aimed at.
The PS4 won the current gen console war as in unit sales, that was my first comment, and it was way outpacing xbox long before gamepass was even a thing.
I want Sony to do what it does best that helped it far outsell MS (make better games) and I'd like MS to keep focus on what it now does best which is a good subscription program that makes Sony outselling it not as big a deal.
Win/win for the consumer.
Can someone tell me if we can be sure that MS is in fact providing full BC? I do recall that with both of their last 2 systems this was one of the biggest selling points leading up to launch (they flat out lied, hard, both times), when it was revealed that only "some" games would be playable due to whitelisting. I read an article today that said the only BC games (XB/X360) would be those which were already playable on the Xbox One, and with that in mind it also sounds like not all Xbox One games will be playable. Does anyone have more details on the actual scope of BC with this new console?
Lest I be accused of "downplaying" BC, I think it is a really great thing and I hope it's as widespread as I have heard, but MS has a notorious history of making BC claims to get preorders, while never even intending to deliver on those promises. Not saying that's the case here; I really don't know much about it. Just someone can point me to some legit information about how much "BC" we actually get with the new Xbox. If it was 100% of games ever produced for any Xbox, that would be an obvious over the top selling point, but I suspect this is something much less.
If Xbox Series X really has full BC then that really makes it a far superior console IMO. But I'm naturally skeptical, having been fooled twice in the past.
Last I heard from Microsoft's Phil Spencer, besides XB1 games, if an Xbox game whether it be OG Xbox (originals) or 360 games was previously playable on XB1, then it would be playable on the XSX. That to me is dedication and commitment to appealing to the masses and I have nothing but respect for them in doing so.
Well that's quite the claim. Let's see if Microsoft has done a complete 180 and will actually deliver on that claim (which they made twice in the past) this time. If so then they will obviously win this round of console wars.
Yeah I mean the only downside of the whole BC on Xbox if any is that they've paused adding any more OG Xbox and 360 games on the BC program to focus on the XSX. Completely understandable. Most heavy hitting 360 and OG Xbox games are already BC anyway with the exception of a few that I still have in my collection that aren't like Max Payne 3 and Mortal Kombat 9 and a few others.
Did they mention anything about compatibility for Xbox One games (what percentage of games, etc.)?
Should be all XB1 games playable on XSX according to Mr. Spencer. There was an article is saw earlier on I think IGN that said the amount of old games playable on XSX is massively immense and ridiculous, in a good way.
> Can someone tell me if we can be sure that MS is in fact providing full BC?
Quick look at xbox.com's back compat listing shows only 39 OG
titles - checking Wikipedia there seems to be 1001
titles which is WAY higher than I expected, but 39/1001 is basically 4% which is not great coverage.
Looking at 360 titles lists 568
titles out of 2085, so that's still only 27% coverage.
Since the X1 and Series consoles now run on the same underlying architecture there shouldn't be any reason for any X1 running game to not run on a Series console. But obviously there could be issues with certain games.
As others have said and I've heard as well, the team stopped working on getting more games added to the list to start ensuring they'll work on the Series consoles and so once they drop in Nov, I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of games get added to the program swiftly.
All games playable on the X1 will be BC on the XSX/S with the exception of Kinect games since thats dead and not compatible with next gen in any way.
About a year ago the BC team stopped working on 360 and OG Xbox game compatibility to focus on fine tuning X1 games on the XSX and hopefully when they're done with that they go back to 360 and OG Xbox. This time was spent creating new BC tools like adding HDR to games which never had it as well as their new method of increasing frame rates in which the team figured out a way to hijack VSync and trick it into thinking the game is ready for another frame rather than using any kind of boost mode or brute force method. This makes it to where they don't need to dedicate a bunch of hardware power to run the games at higher frame rate and instead are just using some software tricks and the result is much more consistent. Pretty clever.
Looks like both Man Eater and Dirt 5 will not support cross gen saves on either.
That's kinda weird that these games are not supporting cross saves. It's gonna be a bummer for games like Dark Souls, etc. that have saves where there's NG+. I know have some games like that where I'm onto the NG+ with that would be kind of a bummer if I had to wipe the slate clean on those titles and start over on PS5. Perhaps the PS5's UI is so overhauled it doesn't compute with the old save data file types? Hmm...
Since Sony is planning on supporting the ps4 for another 3-4 years it could become an issue for those who upgrade from the PS4 to the PS5 and are told a game they just bought, let's say GoW2, is fully BC but then they can't access their old save file and have to start from scratch. I'm not sure if this a ui issue or an issue with PSN, my guess is more with PSN because of how weird the whole issue surrounding name changes was.
Ah right. That's likely since the user save data is on the PSN via their cloud service.
Some good news. Crystal Dynamics said you can carry over PS4 saves to the PS5 version which will be available at launch. The PS5 version is targeting 60fps/4K.
They've not really given out any specifics other than they'll be using some kind of boost mode. What it will probably end up being is that game which ran with an uncapped frame rate and dynamic resolution will probably get more stable frame rates and better resolution. Games which locked either of those down probably will not see any enhancements.
I saw that a couple of Japanese influencers are getting consoles, not sure if any of them will be doing Digital Foundry style teardowns and putting the console through its paces but I'm hoping so. It would be good if they just gave one to DF to do frame rate and resolution tests.
> Gotta stay off youtube this weekend if you donÂ't want to have the PlayStation 5 spoiled
> for you and would rather be surprised when it comes in November. Many YouTubeers
> are getting consoles this weekend for 72 hours to teardown and play games
Who didn't want this spoiled? I need proof it's an actual product at this point
Yeah, not sure what's going to be spoiled but at this point we've seen more pictures of Bigfoot than we have a PS5 and it launches in a month. Supposedly the consoles cold boot to home page load times were leaked today, so I guess that's something.
I still want to see this new PS5 UI. Hope it's as user friendly as PS4's was.
> haven't read through this thread but I have a question - for ps4 games that will
> work on ps5 (presumably/hopefully most of them?), will it be the same as playing
> on ps4 pro , in case the Pro enhances those games? Or will it be just like playing
> on regular ps4?
> I never had a Pro but plan on getting ps5
> same question for PSVR actually
Sony hasn't clarified any of these questions. It would be a huge selling point to mention PS4 stuff would run better and/or PSVR would run as if it was on a Pro. But they haven't given any of these details yet which makes me think it's going to be bare-bones BC with games just running as if they were on base PS4 hardware. And maybe not even all PS4 games will run. Who knows.
According to leaks the PS5 is coming in with 664gb usable storage.
It's all a ploy to sell us external and internal hard drives.
> According to leaks the PS5 is coming in with 664gb usable storage.
That seems way too low, especially considering the (laughable) articles that the Xbox Series X "only" had 812GB available. I can't imagine their OS is actually that dense
Just don't play Call of Duty 2021, that crap takes up more than 250 GB now
I'm telling you guys it's all a ploy to sell us more hard drives for extra 💰. Been that way since this gen consoles launched back in 2013 when ppl first found out these games no longer run off discs like in the old days and discs are just CD keys to access and download a copy. They're just super amplifying the trend next gen.
> I'm telling you guys it's all a ploy to sell us more hard drives for extra 💰.
> Been that way since this gen consoles launched back in 2013 when ppl first found
> out these games no longer run off discs like in the old days and discs are just CD
> keys to access and download a copy. They're just super amplifying the trend next
Should still be able to use any brand of external HDD right? (my understanding is you can do that with PS4, starting to doubt myself as I say it though)
> TalonJedi87 wrote:
>> I'm telling you guys it's all a ploy to sell us more hard drives for extra 💰.
>> Been that way since this gen consoles launched back in 2013 when ppl first found
>> out these games no longer run off discs like in the old days and discs are just
>> keys to access and download a copy. They're just super amplifying the trend next
> Should still be able to use any brand of external HDD right? (my understanding is
> you can do that with PS4, starting to doubt myself as I say it though)
No. PS5 requires specific types. Currently they only sell them. Will probably change within a year or two.
You can use an external HDD to store PS5 games but you can't play any of those stored games. In order to play PS5 games they need to be on the internal SSD.
> You can use an external HDD to store PS5 games but you can't play any of those stored
> games. In order to play PS5 games they need to be on the internal SSD.
I thought they only accepted the new hybrid ones they sell currently. And no one else made them? Due to speed requirement or something like that.
> dustin11 wrote:
>> You can use an external HDD to store PS5 games but you can't play any of those
>> games. In order to play PS5 games they need to be on the internal SSD.
> I thought they only accepted the new hybrid ones they sell currently. And no one
> else made them? Due to speed requirement or something like that.
Their deal works like this:
HDD - you can only play PS4 games off of these on the PS5. It can hold PS5 games but the speeds are too slow to play PS5 games off of these
SDD - These will be required to play PS5 games. They'll be sold as expandable 1tb drives by other manufacturers but they need to meet the minimum specs (PCIe 4 and 5.5gb/sec minimum). Currently there are no SSDs on the market that meet these specs and the only one coming soon is $230/1tb.
I hope the new $230 SSD that's compatible with the PS5 has an easy installation like the XSX has.
It still unclear with what the minimum specs are with the SSD though from what I've seen. The PS5's SSD is 5.5gb/sec but they've said that they recommend a faster drive if you put one in yourself because PCIe has 4 channels to where the PS5's internal has 12, so if you just get the 5.5gb/sec SSD its likely slower so its questionable if it would be adequate. It would be nice if they would clarify some of these things because a month from release we still don't know 100% what kind of expandable storage is compatible.
I don't know how they're planning on controlling that whole thing either. Every other gen it was as easy as just buying any drive and throwing it in or connecting it via USB but not that it has to meet a very specific speed it could be a bit complicated for the average gamer.
I remember some of the load times in ReCore were 3.5 minutes when it first came out. After the game was patched they were cut in half but that was probably the worst one I experienced this gen.
I think I'll just hit and quit a handful of PS5 games at a time on the internal SSD. Too much of a headache otherwise. Until they find alternative convenient solutions for expandable storage, if they ever do that is.
The cost of storage keeps coming down, ~8 years ago my 256GB SSD cost me a good bit more than what 1TB drives cost now and they're faster now. The PCI 4.0 spec SSDs that next gen require more/less only just came out right now, so in a year they'll hopefully drop a good 20-25%, plus more competition will help drive it lower.
It'll be interesting to see if Sony comes out with an updated console with bigger storage internally - ditto MS as none of the internal offerings are all that large, in fact the Series S with only a 500GB drive is almost pathetically small, for a digital only console to boot. One drawback for Sony IMO, is that I believe I've read that even if you bought an additional SSD that meets their specs, I think you'd have to install it into the unit?
I haven't seen much about that, so it could be incorrect, but we know that MS's consoles have the directly connected, i.e. non-replaceable main SSD and then you can buy the special SSD 'cards' that will play the games and have direct connection to the main system, vs. the current means of using a standard USB 3.0 port. I'm curious to see how upgrading a Sony drive will differ since we haven't seen the back to know for sure if there is a specific storage expansion slot/port/etc. or if there is access to insert a standard M2 or other data drive.
Every game you play requires the game to be installed, disc or digital so there's no real difference in needed storage space for any next gen console. On feature I saw today is that with next gen Xbox consoles you can pick and choose what parts of the game you want to download, like mp only if that's all you are going to play in Cod. Wonder if Sony will offer something similar to help keep installs to a minimum.