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Topic   Post your popular opinions of 2017

DefaultGen
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27-Nov-2017(#1)
BOTW more like GOTY


Karaiya
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27-Nov-2017(#2)
It is game of the year. At least I think so. Look, if you've played this game and don't think its the best game this year, I dont know what to say. There have been outstanding titles but BotW is clearly the best made open world title this year. It gets so much right.

DefaultGen
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* 27-Nov-2017(#3)
Karaiya wrote:
> It is game of the year. At least I think so. Look, if you've played this game and
> don't think its the best game this year, I dont know what to say. There have been
> outstanding titles but BotW is clearly the best made open world title this year.
> It gets so much right.
>

Maybe I have to move this to the unpopular opinions thread but open world games are boring, empty, and full of repetitive chores with fancy names like "side quests" so it's not hard to be the best open world game of the year. Much harder to be the best game of the year period raspberry

Karaiya
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27-Nov-2017(#4)
DefaultGen wrote:
> Karaiya wrote:
>> It is game of the year. At least I think so. Look, if you've played this game
> and
>> don't think its the best game this year, I dont know what to say. There have
> been
>> outstanding titles but BotW is clearly the best made open world title this year.
>> It gets so much right.
>>
>
> Maybe I have to move this to the unpopular opinions thread but open world games are
> boring, empty, and full of repetitive chores so it's not hard to be the best open
> world game of the year. Much harder to be the best game of the year period raspberry
>
>

I totally agree. I am not a fan of the open world genre either. Skyrim and Fallout are awful, ugly, and boring to me. Just not my thing.

I think Breath of the Wild does a great job about being open but keeping you on track and not boring you with too much filler. My favorite part is how it lets you do things as far as enemy combat goes. It seems you always have different options available to you. What they've nailed is what the first LoZ did and that was just give you a pallette and say run with it. They placed Ganons fortress in the center so you are always looking at it. Its always there in your head to say, okay, explore this world but this is your main goal.

This to me is what separates it from other open world games. Because it gives you your goal at the beginning. You know what you need to do. Many times in open world games Im just like why, go through all this, this reminds you everytime you look and see Ganons lair. Zelda reminds of what you need to do by here voice. It nailed being open and simultaneously linear.

Regarding its side quests, it did what Witcher 3 did. Witcher 3 is the only other open world game I love, by making these little side stories interesting by not just giving you arbitrary fetch quests. Now, there are some in BotW, but they rarely make me feel as I could be missing something important.

dustin11
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27-Nov-2017(#5)
BotW is GOTY, and Mad Max was the worst open world game I have ever played. Repetitive AF.
dustin11
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* 27-Nov-2017(#6)
Popular opinion:

Cuphead was the best non-1st party game released this past year.
Admiral
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* 27-Nov-2017(#7)
The PS4 library is landslides better than the Xbox One library.
dustin11
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27-Nov-2017(#8)
Xbox One X, as far has hardware is concerned, is light years ahead of the PS4 Pro.
Admiral
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27-Nov-2017(#9)
Edited mine to reflect "library", so it's not confused with dunstin11's incorrect statement wink
dustin11
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27-Nov-2017(#10)
My statement is correct AF and there is no proof otherwise.
Admiral
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27-Nov-2017(#11)
6 Teraflops vs 4.2 Teraflops...not earth shattering. Certainly not the difference between PS4/Xb1 vs PS4 Pro.

Plus, every comparison video on Youtube basically shows they are nearly identical unless you zoom in like 100x on the video!
dustin11
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27-Nov-2017(#12)
X displays resolutions up to 225% higher than the Pro and had more stable frame rate. In most games the Pro's highest resolution capabilities is the lowest the X will go. The X was built far superior than the pro.
Noid
Gold Good Trader
* 27-Nov-2017(#13)
I like that Microsoft finally wised up and really started rolling out the backwards compatibility bandwagon, even going as far back as the original Microsoft Xbox as well as the Microsoft Xbox 360. yes Take note, Sony...
dustin11
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* 27-Nov-2017(#14)
The X was also built using the Hovis method, has a liquid cooled vapor chamber, 4k UHD Blu-Ray drive, and HDMI 2.1 certification. It is not only smaller than the Pro, but runs cooler and quieter . Its hardware is better in every facet.
Admiral
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27-Nov-2017(#15)
I'm very jealous of the Xb1's BC yes Some of the 360 and even OG Xbox games look really nice.
Karaiya
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27-Nov-2017(#16)
X Box one X is a great looking package. Definitely will buy when I upgrade TVs
Shane12m
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28-Nov-2017(#17)
Popular opinion- most people don't give a crap that Xbox one x games look slightly better, myself included.
dustin11
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* 28-Nov-2017(#18)
Slightly better? LOL, yup, hardly any difference at all:

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PS4 Pro has N64 quality textures.
DefaultGen
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28-Nov-2017(#19)
Popular opinion: If you're a graphics whore why the fudge are you playing console games?

Admiral
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* 28-Nov-2017(#20)
@dustin11 That's zoomed in by about 4000x....

Plus, it's Shadow of War. Regarded as one of the biggest differences between the systems. Finding one example doesn't make truth.

Regular screenshots show very little difference....

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dustin11
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28-Nov-2017(#21)
Because you can get 95% of PC graphics for 50% of the cost.
DefaultGen
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28-Nov-2017(#22)
TIL 30fps is 95% of 144fps.

dustin11
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28-Nov-2017(#23)
That's because of upping the textures the devs put the power of the console into getting better draw distances and pushing better resolution and frame rate. They both use dynamic scaling, but the Pro's resolution maxes out at 1548p to where the X maxes out at full 4k. Digital Foundry noted that the X displayed resolution up to 96% better than the Pro and as low as 55%. You're also not going to get a good idea of that overall better resolution if you're viewing the images on a 1080p screen.

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Heavyd814life
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28-Nov-2017(#24)
Popular opinion: Gamers go where the games are. History has shown us that much. All the teraflops in the world won't change that.

dustin11
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* 28-Nov-2017(#25)
So why did Sony make the Pro then?

Going back to my original statement before things went off the rails. The Xbox One X is far superior hardware to the PS4 Pro.
Admiral
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* 28-Nov-2017(#26)
dustin11 wrote:
> So why did Sony make the Pro then?
>
> Going back to my original statement before things went off the rails. The Xbox One
> X is far superior hardware to the PS4 Pro.

IMO? Price.

$500 for an XB1 with Kinect vs. $400 for a PS4 without a stupid camera.

Edit: Wait, did I read your post wrong initially or did you edit it?? lol

Either way, it's superior - but "far" superior is debatable I think. I can certainly see a slight different in your pics, but not for every game in ever scene.
Heavyd814life
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28-Nov-2017(#27)
dustin11 wrote:
> So why did Sony make the Pro then?
>
> Going back to my original statement before things went off the rails. The Xbox One
> X is far superior hardware to the PS4 Pro.

It's a great machine. No doubt about it. But it's about the games, man. It will always be about the games. Hit me up when there is something new that takes advantage of the hardware that I can't play on my PS4.

Heavyd814life
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* 28-Nov-2017(#28)
Admiral wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> So why did Sony make the Pro then?
>>
>> Going back to my original statement before things went off the rails. The Xbox
> One
>> X is far superior hardware to the PS4 Pro.
>
> IMO? Price.
>
> $500 for an XB1 with Kinect vs. $400 for a PS4 without a stupid camera.
>
> Edit: Wait, did I read your post wrong initially or did you edit it?? lol
>
> Either way, it's superior - but "far" superior is debatable I think. I can certainly
> see a slight different in your pics, but not for every game in ever scene.

He edited it. I was going to respond and then it was gone lol.

dustin11
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* 28-Nov-2017(#29)
Yeah I did edit the initial comment to something that got across my initial point a bit better and started less of a flame war. But at the beginning of the gen it was all about "lol @ 720/900p. 1080p or GTFO.".
dustin11
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* 28-Nov-2017(#30)
Heavyd814life wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> So why did Sony make the Pro then?
>>
>> Going back to my original statement before things went off the rails. The Xbox
> One
>> X is far superior hardware to the PS4 Pro.
>
> It's a great machine. No doubt about it. But it's about the games, man. It will always
> be about the games. Hit me up when there is something new that takes advantage of
> the hardware that I can't play on my PS4.
>
>

Forza 7, Halo 5, and Gears 4. The console has also only been out for just over 2 weeks, I'm sure as more games come out they'll begin to look even better then they do right now.
Dustin
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28-Nov-2017(#31)
Popular opinion - dustin11 has a raging hard-on for Microsoft and has for years. However his name is awesome so it somewhat evens out.
dustin11
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* 28-Nov-2017(#32)
I've also recently been told I have a raging hard-on for Nintendo by a GTZ member. Flip a coin I guess.
Dustin
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28-Nov-2017(#33)
Nah it's much worse for Microsoft. Not even close.
Karaiya
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* 28-Nov-2017(#34)
OMG the Dustins are communicating.This is like a paradox that should shatter space and time.

Some of us are just realizing you guys are two different people.
dustin11
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28-Nov-2017(#35)
Dustin wrote:
> Nah it's much worse for Microsoft. Not even close.

Not during the Wii U era it wasn't.
Dustin
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28-Nov-2017(#36)
Took you guys long enough. He's been here 15 years and I've been here 8!
Admiral
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28-Nov-2017(#37)
We should all change our names do dustin, followed by a random two digit number. Just for the giggles!
dustin11
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28-Nov-2017(#38)
I vote Bill makes that happen.
Karaiya
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28-Nov-2017(#39)
Im okay with it.
Dustin
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28-Nov-2017(#40)
In that case I'm going to change my name to Karaiya
DefaultGen
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28-Nov-2017(#41)
Change my name to Scotts

Karaiya
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28-Nov-2017(#42)
Fine I get to be Dracula
dunno001
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29-Nov-2017(#43)
Sure, the XBX is more powerful on paper. But in the grand scheme of things, that doesn't matter. The PS2 was the weakest system of its generation, and it handily got the games and sales. Next was the Wii selling gangbusters. Or go back to PS1 vs N64, where on paper, the PS1's only benefit was storage space and cost. Go all the way back to Atari vs Coleco if you want. With the exception of the PS3 (and even that's debatable), the strongest system on paper has never been considered the "winner" of a generation.

egg
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* 29-Nov-2017(#44)
Wii doesn't count, it sold well by reeling in hapless consumers through gossip and trickery. That's why PS3 and 360 outlasted it. In the end sales did not matter.

PS4 is winning because of price point.
360 won at first because of price point.
It's hard to guess how much the "pro" version of PS4 and XBO really matter in the grand scheme of things. We haven't had this in previous gens. But both companies are still selling slim non-pro versions of their respective consoles. Until that changes it isn't really worth it to focus on which is more powerful. But if PS4 has a bigger install base, and if Xbox One X is more powerful than PS4 Pro, then Xbox One has a viable chance of making a comeback. I believe this is what happened last gen, people bought a RROD at first, then upgraded to PS3 once the price went down.
dustin11
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29-Nov-2017(#45)
3rd parties are more popular than they've ever been because games have gotten so expensive to make that 3rd party exclusives are becoming far more rare than they used to. Back in the PS1 and PS2 era a company could make an exclusive AAA game, have it sell around 1 million and have it be a success. Now days a 1 million seller could sink a dev so they go multiplat to sell the most units and recoup the most amount of development costs possible. Over cyber Monday, 9 of the top 10 best selling games were multiplats (Zelda was the only exception at #8), and if the X is going to play all the best selling games better than the competition then it will likely be of interest to a good chunk of gamers.
dustin11
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29-Nov-2017(#46)
egg wrote:
> Wii doesn't count, it sold well by reeling in hapless consumers through gossip and
> trickery. That's why PS3 and 360 outlasted it. In the end sales did not matter.
>
> PS4 is winning because of price point.


Well, except that the X1S is now cheaper than the PS4, and the X sold more in its first day than the Pro sold in its first 4 months despite the Pro being $100 cheaper.
Uppercat
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29-Nov-2017(#47)
Cell phones are too expensive. No phone is worth $1k. Especially when they're removing features like the headphone jack, ir blaster and fm radios.
Uppercat
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29-Nov-2017(#48)
dustin11 wrote:
> Because you can get 95% of PC graphics for 50% of the cost.

lol
egg
Double Gold Good Trader
29-Nov-2017(#49)
dustin11 wrote:
> egg wrote:
>> Wii doesn't count, it sold well by reeling in hapless consumers through gossip
> and
>> trickery. That's why PS3 and 360 outlasted it. In the end sales did not matter.
>>
>> PS4 is winning because of price point.
>
>
> Well, except that the X1S is now cheaper than the PS4, and the X sold more in its
> first day than the Pro sold in its first 4 months despite the Pro being $100 cheaper.
>

well in that case things might turn around starting from whenever the X1S became cheaper

although the FFVII remake is a huge obstacle.
dustin11
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* 29-Nov-2017(#50)
egg wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> egg wrote:
> |>> Wii doesn't count, it sold well by reeling in hapless consumers through gossip
>> and
> |>> trickery. That's why PS3 and 360 outlasted it. In the end sales did not matter.
> |>>
> |>> PS4 is winning because of price point.
>>
>>
>> Well, except that the X1S is now cheaper than the PS4, and the X sold more in
> its
>> first day than the Pro sold in its first 4 months despite the Pro being $100 cheaper.
>>
>
> well in that case things might turn around starting from whenever the X1S became
> cheaper
>
> although the FFVII remake is a huge obstacle.

Like, a year ago +. X1S has been cheaper for a while.

Whats the obstacle about FFVII remake?
egg
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* 29-Nov-2017(#51)
dustin11 wrote:
> Whats the obstacle about FFVII remake?

It's PS4 exclusive.

edit: X1S being cheaper might matter more if the Pro/X versions didn't exist. That throws everything out of whack. In any other gen people could grab the X1S but now consumers are confused and not sure whether to get the S or the X or the Pro. That makes it hard to predict things.

X might have the best graphics but as this thread shows, not everyone minds.
dustin11
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29-Nov-2017(#52)
egg wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> Whats the obstacle about FFVII remake?
>
> It's PS4 exclusive.

No it isn't. During their e3 conference it said "play it first on PS4", indicating its not exclusive

>
> edit: X1S being cheaper might matter more if the Pro/X versions didn't exist. That
> throws everything out of whack. In any other gen people could grab the X1S but now
> consumers are confused and not sure whether to get the S or the X or the Pro. That
> makes it hard to predict things.

> X might have the best graphics but as this thread shows, not everyone minds.
egg
Double Gold Good Trader
30-Nov-2017(#53)
damn, in that case XBO is looking pretty decent right about now. I should get one, lol.
dustin11
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* 30-Nov-2017(#54)
I don't care what FF7 remaster gets released on because after Square turned it into an action RPG and making it a 4 part episodic release I completely lost interest. They should have just remastered the original game.
Karaiya
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30-Nov-2017(#55)
People over estimate Final Fantasy relevence in 2017.
Heavyd814life
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30-Nov-2017(#56)
Karaiya wrote:
> People over estimate Final Fantasy relevence in 2017.

It's more relevant than you think. XV was the fastest selling game in franchise history and has sold almost 7 million copies. That's an insanely good return for a JRPG in this day and age.

Dustin
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30-Nov-2017(#57)
Final Fantasy is super lame.

True story, I've never played a Final Fantasy game.
Admiral
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30-Nov-2017(#58)
dustin11 wrote:
> I don't care what FF7 remaster gets released on because after Square turned it into
> an action RPG and making it a 4 part episodic release I completely lost interest.

UGH, that sounds awful wry smile
dustin11
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30-Nov-2017(#59)
Heavyd814life wrote:
> Karaiya wrote:
>> People over estimate Final Fantasy relevence in 2017.
>
> It's more relevant than you think. XV was the fastest selling game in franchise history
> and has sold almost 7 million copies. That's an insanely good return for a JRPG in
> this day and age.
>
>

FF is still not the system seller it was back in the PS1 and early PS2 era. Its fallen a loooong way from where it used to be.
dustin11
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30-Nov-2017(#60)
Admiral wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> I don't care what FF7 remaster gets released on because after Square turned it
> into
>> an action RPG and making it a 4 part episodic release I completely lost interest.
>
> UGH, that sounds awful wry smile

And they even said that they're re-doing some of the story to "modernize" it. BOOOOOOOO!!!!
DefaultGen
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30-Nov-2017(#61)
dustin11 wrote:
> Admiral wrote:
>> dustin11 wrote:
> |>> I don't care what FF7 remaster gets released on because after Square turned it
>> into
> |>> an action RPG and making it a 4 part episodic release I completely lost interest.
>>
>> UGH, that sounds awful wry smile
>
> And they even said that they're re-doing some of the story to "modernize" it. BOOOOOOOO!!!!

After the crossdressing scene, Cloud chooses to live his life as a woman. It's much more modern and progressive.

Heavyd814life
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30-Nov-2017(#62)
dustin11 wrote:
> Heavyd814life wrote:
>> Karaiya wrote:
> |>> People over estimate Final Fantasy relevence in 2017.
>>
>> It's more relevant than you think. XV was the fastest selling game in franchise
> history
>> and has sold almost 7 million copies. That's an insanely good return for a JRPG
> in
>> this day and age.
>>
>>
>
> FF is still not the system seller it was back in the PS1 and early PS2 era. Its fallen
> a loooong way from where it used to be.

Like I said...in this day and age. JRPGs don't dominate the industry like they once did, but the numbers don't lie. And this is FFVII we are talking about. In spite of the changes, it'll sell extremely well.

egg
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30-Nov-2017(#63)
3D platformers no longer dominate the industry, that's why Super Mario Odyssey didn't sell well.
DefaultGen
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30-Nov-2017(#64)
Endless sequels to old franchises are all the rage, which is why SMO sold great.

dustin11
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30-Nov-2017(#65)
egg wrote:
> 3D platformers no longer dominate the industry, that's why Super Mario Odyssey didn't
> sell well.

It was the best selling game in October despite only being out for 3 days within that time frame. As of 11-02 it had sold 1.1 million copies in the US alone making it the fastest selling Mario game of all time. WFT are you even talking about?
egg
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* 30-Nov-2017(#66)
I was being sarcastic.
dustin11
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* 30-Nov-2017(#67)
If it were anyone but you I would have been able to see the sarcasm, but with your comment history........
Karaiya
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30-Nov-2017(#68)
dustin11 wrote:
> egg wrote:
>> 3D platformers no longer dominate the industry, that's why Super Mario Odyssey
> didn't
>> sell well.
>
> It was the best selling game in October despite only being out for 3 days within
> that time frame. As of 11-02 it had sold 1.1 million copies in the US alone making
> it the fastest selling Mario game of all time. WFT are you even talking about?

Youre drunk.
EB
Gold Good Trader
7-Dec-2017(#69)
Popular Opinion: RAM is too frickin' expensive right now.
Odyssey was Awesome.
BOTW was awesome.
The Switch, as a whole, is awesome.
Finn
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7-Dec-2017(#70)
dustin11 wrote:
> Heavyd814life wrote:
>> dustin11 wrote:
> |>> So why did Sony make the Pro then?
> |>>
> |>> Going back to my original statement before things went off the rails. The Xbox
>> One
> |>> X is far superior hardware to the PS4 Pro.
>>
>> It's a great machine. No doubt about it. But it's about the games, man. It will
> always
>> be about the games. Hit me up when there is something new that takes advantage
> of
>> the hardware that I can't play on my PS4.
>>
>>
>
> Forza 7, Halo 5, and Gears 4. The console has also only been out for just over 2
> weeks, I'm sure as more games come out they'll begin to look even better then they
> do right now.

It's been out for 2 weeks but the library has been out for awhile, it's not as though this is being billed as a brand new console or a successor to the Xbox one. If it is then the PS4 Pro killed it with games!




Finn
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7-Dec-2017(#71)
Uppercat wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> Because you can get 95% of PC graphics for 50% of the cost.
>
> lol


I can also built a PC that is TRUE 4k and get all the Xbox One Exclusives without touching the console.... But I had to laugh at the 95% thing.

Finn
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7-Dec-2017(#72)
Heavyd814life wrote:
> Popular opinion: Gamers go where the games are. History has shown us that much. All
> the teraflops in the world won't change that.
>
>


I agree, It's all about games. When Sony crap the bed with the PS3 they used that time and built up first party IP. MS crap the bed and did nothing, they are resting on the same franchises instead of creating new ones. It's the same argument all the time well we have Forza, Halo and Gears of War.... Gamers have voted with there wallets and the software numbers and hardware ( over 2:1) are all favoring Sony because they have the games. IF MS does not watch out Nintendo is going to catch them! Out of the two right now I am looking at getting a Nintendo for the games, if I bought a Xbox One S, it would only be for the 4k player.

Finn
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7-Dec-2017(#73)
dustin11 wrote:
> egg wrote:
>> 3D platformers no longer dominate the industry, that's why Super Mario Odyssey
> didn't
>> sell well.
>
> It was the best selling game in October despite only being out for 3 days within
> that time frame. As of 11-02 it had sold 1.1 million copies in the US alone making
> it the fastest selling Mario game of all time. WFT are you even talking about?


I don't know if I want to live in a world where 3D platformers are dead.... Thank the heavens we have Nintendo! I want so very badly to play Mario Sunshine again and try Mario Galaxy (never played either one).... and whats this I hear about a Mario Maker for the Switch?


dustin11
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* 7-Dec-2017(#74)
Finn wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> Heavyd814life wrote:
> |>> dustin11 wrote:
>> |>> So why did Sony make the Pro then?
>> |>>
>> |>> Going back to my original statement before things went off the rails. The
> Xbox
> |>> One
>> |>> X is far superior hardware to the PS4 Pro.
> |>>
> |>> It's a great machine. No doubt about it. But it's about the games, man. It will
>> always
> |>> be about the games. Hit me up when there is something new that takes advantage
>> of
> |>> the hardware that I can't play on my PS4.
> |>>
> |>>
>>
>> Forza 7, Halo 5, and Gears 4. The console has also only been out for just over
> 2
>> weeks, I'm sure as more games come out they'll begin to look even better then
> they
>> do right now.
>
> It's been out for 2 weeks but the library has been out for awhile, it's not as though
> this is being billed as a brand new console or a successor to the Xbox one. If it
> is then the PS4 Pro killed it with games!
>
>
>
>
>

I was referring to the "Hit me up when there is something new that takes advantage of the hardware", portion of his comment. You can't expect games that were made before the Xbox One X was released to take advantage of its hardware unless we're talking about games with patches, and if so then there is a growing list of games that look better on the X than they do on the Pro. My reply still stands though, Forza 7 is still a game that takes advantage of the hardware and produces amazing image quality and at a rock solid 60fps.
dustin11
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7-Dec-2017(#75)
Finn wrote:
> Uppercat wrote:
>> dustin11 wrote:
> |>> Because you can get 95% of PC graphics for 50% of the cost.
>>
>> lol
>
>
> I can also built a PC that is TRUE 4k and get all the Xbox One Exclusives without
> touching the console.... But I had to laugh at the 95% thing.
>
>

Yup, you can, but you're not doing that for $500. You're not even building a PC that can match the X for $500. We've been over this like 5 times already on this site.
dustin11
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7-Dec-2017(#76)
Finn wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> egg wrote:
> |>> 3D platformers no longer dominate the industry, that's why Super Mario Odyssey
>> didn't
> |>> sell well.
>>
>> It was the best selling game in October despite only being out for 3 days within
>> that time frame. As of 11-02 it had sold 1.1 million copies in the US alone making
>> it the fastest selling Mario game of all time. WFT are you even talking about?
>
>
> I don't know if I want to live in a world where 3D platformers are dead.... Thank
> the heavens we have Nintendo! I want so very badly to play Mario Sunshine again and
> try Mario Galaxy (never played either one).... and whats this I hear about a Mario
> Maker for the Switch?
>
>
>

No announcements or even rumors that I've ever heard for Mario Maker being released on the Switch. People asking for it, yes, but nothing even hinted at from at source yet.
Finn
GameTZ Gold Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Canada
7-Dec-2017(#77)
dustin11 wrote:
> Finn wrote:
>> Uppercat wrote:
> |>> dustin11 wrote:
>> |>> Because you can get 95% of PC graphics for 50% of the cost.
> |>>
> |>> lol
>>
>>
>> I can also built a PC that is TRUE 4k and get all the Xbox One Exclusives without
>> touching the console.... But I had to laugh at the 95% thing.
>>
>>
>
> Yup, you can, but you're not doing that for $500. You're not even building a PC that
> can match the X for $500. We've been over this like 5 times already on this site.
>


No, but the Xbox 1X is being billed as a true 4k machine when it's not.... some games use checkerboard aliasing like the Pro... we all know the 1X has more hardware... but it's not like it's truly light years ahead... your comment about that seemed to be in response to the Library of the PS4 being light years ahead of the XB1 when in reality it's a pretty healthy gap. Then there is always that parity thing that clearly some aliasing are doing because of the massive install base difference. MS should have dialed back the hardware and came closer to what the Pro could do making it cheaper in the process then do what they did... your going to have a console that most 3rd parties are never going to fully utilize.

I can build a PC that is TRUE 4k and not only that can use it for so much more! I would sooner invenst in a 4K gaming machine then a XB1X for that very reason... my FPS's for one are going to look better and I can recoup some of that cost in amazing steam sales that consoles can't touch (though PSN flash sales do a damn good job). I would sooner spend more and get more!

Finn
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7-Dec-2017(#78)
dustin11 wrote:
> Finn wrote:
>> dustin11 wrote:
> |>> egg wrote:
>> |>> 3D platformers no longer dominate the industry, that's why Super Mario Odyssey
> |>> didn't
>> |>> sell well.
> |>>
> |>> It was the best selling game in October despite only being out for 3 days within
> |>> that time frame. As of 11-02 it had sold 1.1 million copies in the US alone making
> |>> it the fastest selling Mario game of all time. WFT are you even talking about?
>>
>>
>> I don't know if I want to live in a world where 3D platformers are dead.... Thank
>> the heavens we have Nintendo! I want so very badly to play Mario Sunshine again
> and
>> try Mario Galaxy (never played either one).... and whats this I hear about a Mario
>> Maker for the Switch?
>>
>>
>>
>
> No announcements or even rumors that I've ever heard for Mario Maker being released
> on the Switch. People asking for it, yes, but nothing even hinted at from at source
> yet.

well crap.


Finn
GameTZ Gold Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Canada
7-Dec-2017(#79)
dustin11 wrote:
> Finn wrote:
>> dustin11 wrote:
> |>> Heavyd814life wrote:
>> |>> dustin11 wrote:
> |>> |>> So why did Sony make the Pro then?
> |>> |>>
> |>> |>> Going back to my original statement before things went off the rails. The
>> Xbox
>> |>> One
> |>> |>> X is far superior hardware to the PS4 Pro.
>> |>>
>> |>> It's a great machine. No doubt about it. But it's about the games, man. It
> will
> |>> always
>> |>> be about the games. Hit me up when there is something new that takes advantage
> |>> of
>> |>> the hardware that I can't play on my PS4.
>> |>>
>> |>>
> |>>
> |>> Forza 7, Halo 5, and Gears 4. The console has also only been out for just over
>> 2
> |>> weeks, I'm sure as more games come out they'll begin to look even better then
>> they
> |>> do right now.
>>
>> It's been out for 2 weeks but the library has been out for awhile, it's not as
> though
>> this is being billed as a brand new console or a successor to the Xbox one. If
> it
>> is then the PS4 Pro killed it with games!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> I was referring to the "Hit me up when there is something new that takes advantage
> of the hardware", portion of his comment. You can't expect games that were made before
> the Xbox One X was released to take advantage of its hardware unless we're talking
> about games with patches, and if so then there is a growing list of games that look
> better on the X than they do on the Pro. My reply still stands though, Forza 7 is
> still a game that takes advantage of the hardware and produces amazing image quality
> and at a rock solid 60fps.

my bad, I let this topic go for abit and must of missed out when I was trying to catch up.

The Forza reference though, it's a racer and they are typically not all that taxing on a system.. not like a FPS or action game with so much going on. The X1X is an amazing system hardware wise but for the price I would sooner spend more and get a true 4k platform.


dustin11
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
* 7-Dec-2017(#80)
Finn wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> Finn wrote:
> |>> dustin11 wrote:
>> |>> Heavyd814life wrote:
> |>> |>> dustin11 wrote:
>> |>> |>> So why did Sony make the Pro then?
>> |>> |>>
>> |>> |>> Going back to my original statement before things went off the rails.
> The
> |>> Xbox
> |>> |>> One
>> |>> |>> X is far superior hardware to the PS4 Pro.
> |>> |>>
> |>> |>> It's a great machine. No doubt about it. But it's about the games, man. It
>> will
>> |>> always
> |>> |>> be about the games. Hit me up when there is something new that takes advantage
>> |>> of
> |>> |>> the hardware that I can't play on my PS4.
> |>> |>>
> |>> |>>
>> |>>
>> |>> Forza 7, Halo 5, and Gears 4. The console has also only been out for just
> over
> |>> 2
>> |>> weeks, I'm sure as more games come out they'll begin to look even better then
> |>> they
>> |>> do right now.
> |>>
> |>> It's been out for 2 weeks but the library has been out for awhile, it's not as
>> though
> |>> this is being billed as a brand new console or a successor to the Xbox one.
> If
>> it
> |>> is then the PS4 Pro killed it with games!
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>
>>
>> I was referring to the "Hit me up when there is something new that takes advantage
>> of the hardware", portion of his comment. You can't expect games that were made
> before
>> the Xbox One X was released to take advantage of its hardware unless we're talking
>> about games with patches, and if so then there is a growing list of games that
> look
>> better on the X than they do on the Pro. My reply still stands though, Forza
> 7 is
>> still a game that takes advantage of the hardware and produces amazing image quality
>> and at a rock solid 60fps.
>
> my bad, I let this topic go for abit and must of missed out when I was trying to
> catch up.
>
> The Forza reference though, it's a racer and they are typically not all that taxing
> on a system.. not like a FPS or action game with so much going on. The X1X is an
> amazing system hardware wise but for the price I would sooner spend more and get
> a true 4k platform.
>
>
>

They can actually be incredibly taxing depending on what you're doing and what your goals are. Sims require a solid 60fps, dips are completely game breaking and 30 lessens the experience more than probably any other genera. Physics are also pretty demanding as there is shifting car weight, tire deformation, shocks, tire traction, grip, etc..... and when you have 24 high polygon cars (which each take up to 6 months of employee time to build because of all the detail) with full weather effects and throwing the dynamic lighting, then things can add up to tax the system pretty heavily rather quickly. Its also why a GTX 1070 couldn't run Forza 7 at more than 44fps with full weather effects.

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