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sinnie
  
| | #1 posted December 18, 2004 at 10:02am (EST) |
A few of you knew my dad had been diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer back in June of this year. He lost his fight with it lastnight at the age of 44. He would have been 45 on Jan 20th.
Yesterday morning he was taken to the hospital for extreme pain and they got it under control, and took him back home via an ambulance to basically die at home. His last words was "help me" as they laid him down, so I heard.
I got off work early to go up and be with him (30 miles from me) and they had him hooked on oxygen because one of his lungs wasn't working. By the time I got there he had slipped into a light coma.
He would move his eyes and his breathing got heavier when I arrived, so I know he knew I was there for him, his breathing was like snoring and his teeth were black from coughing up blood.
I ended up coming back to my place to get some clothes to go back down and stay the night and he died while I wasn't there. He was so pale he looked like a wax model of... someone that wasn't him. He had lost nearly 100lbs in the few months of him being sick, so he was basically a skeleton.
I guess the last thing I want to mention is that maybe some people from reading this will try to stop smoking. My dad wasn't very old, and as soon as he found out he had cancer, he was gone less then 6 months later. Now because of that sickening and expensive habit (that my mom has yet to quit) I don't have a father anymore, and my children will never know him, he would have been the best grandpa in the world. (He really wanted that.)
s i n n i e | ThirdeYe
 
| | #2 posted December 18, 2004 at 10:04am (EST) |
I'm sorry, Sinnie. It must be really rough for you right now. You have my condolences.
 | dracula
| | #3 posted December 18, 2004 at 10:36am (EST) |
44 is way too young. RIP to sinnie's father
at least some states banned smoking in restaurants and bars 
as for smoking, i hope we eventually raise the tax on a pack of cigarettes to something crazy like $10 per pack. That would cut down on the number of cigarettes sold
 | ThirdeYe
| | #4 posted December 18, 2004 at 10:43am (EST) |
I think if anything, it would further encourage theft.
| sinnie
| #5 posted December 18, 2004 at 10:51am (EST)
edited December 18, 2004 at 10:53am (EST) |
I think if anything, they should ban cigarettes all together, and legalize pot. Sure smoking anything is going to strain your lungs, but at least pot doesn't have all the poison in it. Could you imagine them selling pot in a gas station and not cigarettes? heh
I've never been able to smoke either personally without getting physically sick from it, so I guess it is good I've never been addicted. I just wish my dad quit years ago, he always talked about it, but was under stress from working to give my mom and me a better life, and we didn't bug him about it, it was a way for him to relax, even while on the job...
we just never thought cancer was possible, even though he had had skin cancer just as his dad has. It just isn't something you think about.
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| | #6 posted December 18, 2004 at 11:05am (EST) |
sinnie wrote:
> I think if anything, they should ban cigarettes all together, and legalize pot. Sure smoking
> anything is going to strain your lungs, but at least pot doesn't have all the poison in
> it.
One joint has the affect of smoking something like 7 cigarettes on your lungs because it lacks a filter. The difference: Most people don't smoke 20 joints a day.
Polarized! | Raisin
 
| | #7 posted December 18, 2004 at 11:08am (EST) |
sinnie wrote:
> A few of you knew my dad had been diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer back in June of this
> year. He lost his fight with it lastnight at the age of 44. He would have been 45 on Jan
> 20th.
>
> Yesterday morning he was taken to the hospital for extreme pain and they got it under
> control, and took him back home via an ambulance to basically die at home. His last words
> was "help me" as they laid him down, so I heard.
> I got off work early to go up and be with him (30 miles from me) and they had him hooked
> on oxygen because one of his lungs wasn't working. By the time I got there he had slipped
> into a light coma.
> He would move his eyes and his breathing got heavier when I arrived, so I know he knew
> I was there for him, his breathing was like snoring and his teeth were black from coughing
> up blood.
>
> I ended up coming back to my place to get some clothes to go back down and stay the night
> and he died while I wasn't there. He was so pale he looked like a wax model of... someone
> that wasn't him. He had lost nearly 100lbs in the few months of him being sick, so he
> was basically a skeleton.
>
>
> I guess the last thing I want to mention is that maybe some people from reading this will
> try to stop smoking. My dad wasn't very old, and as soon as he found out he had cancer,
> he was gone less then 6 months later. Now because of that sickening and expensive habit
> (that my mom has yet to quit) I don't have a father anymore, and my children will never
> know him, he would have been the best grandpa in the world. (He really wanted that.)
>
thanks for bringing tears to my eyes 
 | InfantryDude
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| | #8 posted December 18, 2004 at 11:23am (EST) |
Banning ciggerettes? No. If someone wants to smoke and fudge up there lungs there lungs, let'em. Anyways sorry for your loss.
 | Y2k
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| | #9 posted December 18, 2004 at 11:52am (EST) |
My condolences, Kim.
Hopefully, they finish that cure they think they came up with in Australia soon.
 | LiL_Ramsey
 
| | #10 posted December 18, 2004 at 12:34pm (EST) |
Same thing happened with my mom's mom, although she was must old, so I know (somewhat) what you are going through. You and your family are in my prayers.
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| | #11 posted December 18, 2004 at 1:18pm (EST) |
Very sorry about your father Sinnie
Vegan wrote:
> One joint has the affect of smoking something like 7 cigarettes on your lungs because
> it lacks a filter. The difference: Most people don't smoke 20 joints a day.
And usually it's 2-5 people sharing that joint anyway.
| MajorGimp
| #12 posted December 18, 2004 at 1:33pm (EST)
edited December 18, 2004 at 1:34pm (EST) |
Sorry for what happened sinnie and I will try and put this in a much nicer way than SgtRlee.  Banning cigarettes would not solve anything. I think proabition (spelling?) in the old days with beer taught us that. I certainly agree they have no long-term health benifit but banning them would just encourage people to get it from other sources (like pot). Cigs, like most vices, when you do them you are taking a chance. Some people can only do say 1 cigarette a day, never have it affect their health (at least not in an extreme sense like cancer), and lead a normal life. Sadly, your dad was not one of those. For whatever reason, he smoked a lot of cigs, weaker immune system, I don't know, it got the better of him. Anyways, easier said than done I know, but try to remember him at his best (not suffering and what not) and try to have a nice Holiday.
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| mackey
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| | #13 posted December 18, 2004 at 1:39pm (EST) |
My condolences, Sinnie.
Others - Don't use her father's death as a flame-war over cigarettes and pot. Cut the crap just once.
"You don't know what it's like, you don't have a clue
If you did you'd find yourselves doing the same thing too." | MajorGimp
| | #14 posted December 18, 2004 at 1:41pm (EST) |
silent_mackey wrote:
> My condolences, Sinnie.
>
> Others - Don't use her father's death as a flame-war over cigarettes and pot. Cut the
> crap just once.
>
>
I believe it was being discussed because sinnie herself stated her opinions. But yeah, let's keep it somewhat respectful.
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| JayAreP
| | #15 posted December 18, 2004 at 2:05pm (EST) |
Sorry to hear about your dad, Kim.
I'll be thinking of you and you family. | vDub
 
| | #16 posted December 18, 2004 at 2:07pm (EST) |
Sorry to hear about your dad, sinnie. You and the rest of your family have my sincerest condolences. My mom's a smoker and there's times when I worry about her because she has chronic bronchitis and it seems like she always has a hard time breathing. I wish she would just quit smoking
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| | #17 posted December 18, 2004 at 3:06pm (EST) |
MajorGimp wrote:
> silent_mackey wrote:
>> My condolences, Sinnie.
>>
>> Others - Don't use her father's death as a flame-war over cigarettes
> and pot. Cut the
>> crap just once.
>>
>>
>
> I believe it was being discussed because sinnie herself stated her
> opinions. But yeah, let's keep it somewhat respectful.
fair enough, i will say this and then I will have to bow out of the conversation: cigarettes dont just damage the smoker's lungs, they can cause cancer to the non smokers around them through seconb hand smoke, so that is like saying it should be OK to dump poison in a resovoir as long as you are still drinking out of the resovoir. You are ignoring the fact that the poison from second hand smoke causes cancer to non smokers.
Banning cigarettes will never happen because Phillip morris and the other tobacco giants give to much money to the politicians on capital hill. So it is a moot arguement regarding the banning of cigarettes. What is possible is that the taxes on cigarettes will go higher and higher(like 10 or $20 per pack, that would be really cool)
| Richie
 
| | #18 posted December 18, 2004 at 3:38pm (EST) |
sinnie wrote:
> I think if anything, they should ban cigarettes all together, and legalize pot. Sure smoking
> anything is going to strain your lungs, but at least pot doesn't have all the poison in
> it.
Actually, marijuana can cause lung cancer too: http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/18/marijuana.cancer...
Anyway, I'm deeply sorry for your loss, Kim.
Jesus saves................and takes 1/2 damage. | mackey
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| | #19 posted December 18, 2004 at 5:08pm (EST) |
dracula wrote:
> MajorGimp wrote:
>> silent_mackey wrote:
> |>> My condolences, Sinnie.
> |>>
> |>> Others - Don't use her father's death as a flame-war over cigarettes
>> and pot. Cut the
> |>> crap just once.
> |>>
> |>>
>>
>> I believe it was being discussed because sinnie herself stated her
>> opinions. But yeah, let's keep it somewhat respectful.
>
>
> fair enough, i will say this and then I will have to bow out of the conversation: cigarettes
> dont just damage the smoker's lungs, they can cause cancer to the non smokers around them
> through seconb hand smoke, so that is like saying it should be OK to dump poison in a
> resovoir as long as you are still drinking out of the resovoir. You are ignoring the
> fact that the poison from second hand smoke causes cancer to non smokers.
>
> Banning cigarettes will never happen because Phillip morris and the other tobacco giants
> give to much money to the politicians on capital hill. So it is a moot arguement regarding
> the banning of cigarettes. What is possible is that the taxes on cigarettes will go higher
> and higher(like 10 or $20 per pack, that would be really cool)
>
>
You and people like you are what's seriously wrong with the world.
An entire society consisting of people living, breathing, and walking with a child's mind. You need the government to save you from yourself, to make sure there is never a risk in your life so that way you can comfortably slave away at the status quo.
At some point along the line, people lost sight of what's really important: personal decisions. The choices you make affect who you are and what you become. Everytime a psychotic activist like you gets together with fellow half-wits, a new law is comprised that doesn't apply to you, but in some non-existant fairy tale life it benefits you.
Of the million things you encounter in a day that damage your body, you and millions of other pea-brains choose to single out something that brings another person pleasure and willfully damages their body.
Get a new bandwagon, all of you. Raising taxes won't do anything, as you can import cigarettes for lower costs than in the States already, anyway. Take away the money made from the already astronomical taxation and you'll find yourself paying higher taxes while the environment deteriorates from your aerosol products, needless waste, and careless lifestyle that every American lives, even if it is just subconscious action.
I said don't start a flame war because I'm sick of reading ten people spew out pathetic crybaby rhetoric.
What I do and how I die is my choice. When people like you start making that decision for me, it's time to find a new country.
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| #20 posted December 18, 2004 at 7:06pm (EST)
edited December 19, 2004 at 12:50am (EST) |
Im very sorry for your loss, Kim this reminds me of my grampa...he passed away last year under the same condition
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| | #21 posted December 18, 2004 at 7:56pm (EST) |
ThirdeYe wrote:
> I'm sorry, Sinnie. It must be really rough for you right now. You have my condolences.
>
Indeed. I just don't understand why people smoke. My prayers are with you and your family.
~nalod6
 | MajorGimp
| | #22 posted December 18, 2004 at 8:21pm (EST) |
silent, don't get me wrong, I agree with what you said but again I don't think this is a post to go into a flame. Weither you or someone else started it. Just my opinion...
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| Starwave27
| | #23 posted December 18, 2004 at 8:21pm (EST) |
kzn wrote:
> Im very sorry for your loss, Kim this reminds me of my grampa...he
> passed away last under the same condition
>
Same here when my grandfather passed away from smoking. Luckily I forced my dad to quit years and years ago when I was a kid.
You have my deepest sympathy sinnie.
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| | #24 posted December 18, 2004 at 8:23pm (EST) |
MajorGimp wrote:
> silent, don't get me wrong, I agree with what you said but again I don't think this is
> a post to go into a flame. Weither you or someone else started it. Just my opinion...
>
but silent is always right.
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| | #25 posted December 18, 2004 at 8:27pm (EST) |
silent_mackey wrote:
> dracula wrote:
>> MajorGimp wrote:
> |>> silent_mackey wrote:
>> |>> My condolences, Sinnie.
>> |>>
>> |>> Others - Don't use her father's death as a flame-war over cigarettes
> |>> and pot. Cut the
>> |>> crap just once.
>> |>>
>> |>>
> |>>
> |>> I believe it was being discussed because sinnie herself stated
> her
> |>> opinions. But yeah, let's keep it somewhat respectful.
>>
>>
>> fair enough, i will say this and then I will have to bow out of
> the conversation: cigarettes
>> dont just damage the smoker's lungs, they can cause cancer to the
> non smokers around them
>> through seconb hand smoke, so that is like saying it should be
> OK to dump poison in a
>> resovoir as long as you are still drinking out of the resovoir.
> You are ignoring the
>> fact that the poison from second hand smoke causes cancer to non
> smokers.
>>
>> Banning cigarettes will never happen because Phillip morris and
> the other tobacco giants
>> give to much money to the politicians on capital hill. So it is
> a moot arguement regarding
>> the banning of cigarettes. What is possible is that the taxes
> on cigarettes will go higher
>> and higher(like 10 or $20 per pack, that would be really cool)
>>
>>
>
> You and people like you are what's seriously wrong with the world.
>
> An entire society consisting of people living, breathing, and walking
> with a child's mind. You need the government to save you from yourself,
> to make sure there is never a risk in your life so that way you can
> comfortably slave away at the status quo.
>
> At some point along the line, people lost sight of what's really important:
> personal decisions. The choices you make affect who you are and what
> you become. Everytime a psychotic activist like you gets together
> with fellow half-wits, a new law is comprised that doesn't apply to
> you, but in some non-existant fairy tale life it benefits you.
>
> Of the million things you encounter in a day that damage your body,
> you and millions of other pea-brains choose to single out something
> that brings another person pleasure and willfully damages their body.
>
>
> Get a new bandwagon, all of you. Raising taxes won't do anything,
> as you can import cigarettes for lower costs than in the States already,
> anyway. Take away the money made from the already astronomical taxation
> and you'll find yourself paying higher taxes while the environment
> deteriorates from your aerosol products, needless waste, and careless
> lifestyle that every American lives, even if it is just subconscious
> action.
>
> I said don't start a flame war because I'm sick of reading ten people
> spew out pathetic crybaby rhetoric.
>
> What I do and how I die is my choice. When people like you start making
> that decision for me, it's time to find a new country.
are we allowed to trade cigarettes on here? I bet that would be a really good idea for smokers in canada to help out the smokers in the usa so they dont have to pay $6+ per pack(at least that is what it costs here in california)
i suggest you start hording cigarettes now and buy tons of them at sams club/costco so when they are really expensive, then you dont have to pay them. You say that it is cheaper to import cigarettes, you really think that we would not tax imported cigarettes as well? Now you are the one being obtuse and short sighted if you really think that we cannot or will not tax imported cigarettes.
What you do to your body is one thing, but when you start poisoning the people around you with second hand smoke, then it becomes more than "you choosing how you want to die." I guess you have had the blinders on so long that you cant even see that?
yes, taxing the hell out of cigarettes so that they are $15 or $20 per pack WOULD have an effect. Your argument that "well imported cigarettes will still be cheap" is moot. Just tax the hell out of those so they are just as expensive. You can either wake up and face reality or you can keep deluding yourself, its up to you whether or not you want to take off the blinders.
Ironically i support other dangerous/hazardous laws like the right to bear arms. As for "why do I support a cigarette tax hike and not measures against other kinds of harmful air pollution?" Well let me say this: i live in los angeles, 20 years ago the smog was so bad you could cut it with a knife, 10 years later it was still bad but not as bad. Now, it is actually breathable air for the most part thanks to increase anti air pollution laws. So yes, i am pretty much convinced that a cigarette tax hike would decrease the number of smokers. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
And now, really i will have to bow out of this debate, you can say whatever you want about me because obviously you wont change my mind and I wont change yours. But to say raising the price of cigarettes would do "nothing" is preposterous, I think you can grasp that if you take the blinders off for a second.
| MajorGimp
| | #26 posted December 18, 2004 at 8:31pm (EST) |
sinnie, sorry about the fate that has befallen your post. But like any other forum thread on GameTZ, it will eventually become off-topic and / or a flame war.
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| mackey
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| | #27 posted December 18, 2004 at 8:35pm (EST) |
dracula wrote:
> yes, taxing the hell out of cigarettes so that they are $15 or $20 per pack WOULD have
> an effect. Your argument that "well imported cigarettes will still be cheap" is moot.
> Just tax the hell out of those so they are just as expensive. You can either wake up
> and face reality or you can keep deluding yourself, its up to you whether or not you want
> to take off the blinders.
http://www.discount-cigarettes-store.com/
http://www.go4cigarettes.com/
You'd have to change duty free tax laws that affect many other things besides cigarettes.
So no, YOUR argument is moot.
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| | #28 posted December 18, 2004 at 8:41pm (EST) |
Starwave27 wrote:
> kzn wrote:
>> Im very sorry for your loss, Kim this reminds me of my grampa...he
>> passed away last under the same condition
>>
> Same here when my grandfather passed away from smoking. Luckily I forced my dad to quit
> years and years ago when I was a kid.
>
> You have my deepest sympathy sinnie.
>
I wish I could force my mom to quit.
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| | #29 posted December 18, 2004 at 8:42pm (EST) |
I wish you and your family peace. | ladyimmortal
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| | #30 posted December 18, 2004 at 9:31pm (EST) |
Sorry about your father sinnie,my condolences.
Just a note to dracula-cigarettes are more expensive here in Canada.
I,thankfully live in a province that has banned smoking in all indoor places(restaurants,malls etc) and is drawing up legislation to ban smoking in ALL public places (indoor and outdoor) including restaurant patios,parks etc.About the only place you'd be able to smoke outdoors here is in the privacy of your own home. | stubby
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| | #31 posted December 18, 2004 at 9:55pm (EST) |
Sorry for your loss sinnie My mom died from emphysema caused by years of smoking. | Electronic_Tough_Guy
| | #32 posted December 19, 2004 at 12:40am (EST) |
My condolences sinnie, that sucks regardless of the cause of death Perhaps I am being too subtle here 
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| | #33 posted December 19, 2004 at 3:19am (EST) |
My condolences for your loss Sinnie.
Being a smoker myself and also having cancer run in the family I worry at times too that that will be my fate someday. However I'm also a firm believer in living your life the way you want to and doing what you enjoy. I have tried qutting several times myself but always seem to pick it back up because I both enjoy it and it relaxes me. Cancer is a horrible way to die but it does sound like you remember the good times before that and that's what's really important (reminds me of my quote which interpreted basically means: it's not how long we are here but the things we do during that time that we are remembered for).
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| | #34 posted December 19, 2004 at 10:17am (EST) |
Sorry for your loss. My condolences to you, and the rest of your family. | sinnie
| | #35 posted December 19, 2004 at 10:24am (EST) |
Thanks everyone.
Those of you who do smoke, and have cancer running in your family, I really hope one day you can quit, even if cancer isn't in your family. It is a very very painful and slow way to die, he was sick nearly every day the last 8 months, and in severe pain, using $2500 a month pain prescriptions that still didn't work that good. He was throwing up constantly and in bed all the time. He probably took 50 pills a day, plus had to drink weird radio-active stuff for the chemo, which actually caused other tumors in his body before he went, that were very painful.
Those of you who can't quit, I just hope it doesn't happen to you, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy
s i n n i e | vDub
| | #36 posted December 19, 2004 at 2:35pm (EST) |
Off-topic: Sinnie, I know you're going through some hard times right now, but I was wondering when you'd be sending REO?
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| | #37 posted December 19, 2004 at 2:44pm (EST) |
Jesus saves................and takes 1/2 damage. | sinnie
| | #38 posted December 19, 2004 at 3:56pm (EST) |
Dyne wrote:
> Off-topic: Sinnie, I know you're going through some hard times right now, but I was wondering
> when you'd be sending REO?
>
>
You just sent me your money the other day, after the trade had been pended almost 2 weeks. Please don't bug me about it but I was planning on sending it out tomorrow.
s i n n i e | Discover
| | #39 posted December 19, 2004 at 8:34pm (EST) |
Sorry about your loss, sinnie. | Felty
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| | #40 posted December 19, 2004 at 9:32pm (EST) |
Sorry to hear about your dad. I'm a smoker and I know it's a disgusting habit, but I do plan to quit in the future. Sorry for your loss.
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