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Cozmosis
| #1 posted April 25, 2008 at 6:09pm (EDT)
edited April 25, 2008 at 6:09pm (EDT) |
I've received a few offers or counter-offers from people who don't have a star, but they want to send at the same time instead of sending first. Their reasoning for this is because that have "100% positive feedback" on sites like Ebay, Amazon, etc. Come on people, get real. There is no way in hell any semi-intelligent person is going to agree to that. You are just making yourself look like a scammer...if you aren't one. | DR_SPOCK
  
| #2 posted April 25, 2008 at 6:11pm (EDT)
edited April 25, 2008 at 6:11pm (EDT) |
I actually shipped same time on a $160 transaction to a guy with this logic. He went through a RIGOROUS screening process and I determined that he was indeed legit; the transaction was a complete success!!
eBay Listings
Amazon Storefront | Nirvana
 
| | #3 posted April 25, 2008 at 6:11pm (EDT) |
well, if i saw someone had great feedback on ebay (and they proved it was them) it's not like it wouldnt make any difference whatsoever. Feedback is still feedback....
Smile Now Cry Later | Shadowchemist
| | #4 posted April 25, 2008 at 6:14pm (EDT) |
I don't care about this at all.
But I'm posting here. To show how much I dislike this thread. | kzn
 
(frozen)
| | #5 posted April 25, 2008 at 6:24pm (EDT) |
If they make me feel comfortable then sure, why not.
 | Broccoli
 
| | #6 posted April 25, 2008 at 9:33pm (EDT) |
if it's from a similar website, and the user is on both sites, I'll listen.
But Ebay feedback is a dime a dozen. There's probably hundreds of thousands of people on Ebay with some good feedback.. but, I don't accept it, as it's a completely different system than here is. | Felty
 
| | #7 posted April 26, 2008 at 3:00am (EDT) |
I don't really accept feedback from other sites but I also haven't encountered anyone asking something like that. | Godfather
| | #8 posted April 26, 2008 at 9:34am (EDT) |
I tend to disregard feedback from other sites. I don't care what people do outside of GameTZ. If they don't want to honor the fact that I have more completed trades here, then why should I honor their feedback from somewhere else?
Ebay feedback is sham anyway, due to the fact that most sellers refuse to leave you feedback unless you do so first, thus ensuring a positive feedback for them.
Don't you be dissing BookTZ, fool! -bill
| CenturionElite
| | #9 posted April 26, 2008 at 10:57am (EDT) |
Well if you are on a new site with credible traders, you got to perfom first. You cant always assume your past reps are gonna get your power everywhere you go. I came here with 100% feedback on ebay but I still had to trade first when I started
--"People and nations are forged in the fire of adversity"--
| Chad
 
| | #10 posted April 26, 2008 at 8:18pm (EDT) |
ive never counted ebay or amazon feedback, but i have no problem counting tgn feedback. | kzn
(frozen)
| | #11 posted April 26, 2008 at 8:19pm (EDT) |
What's the difference?!!1!
| Chad
| | #12 posted April 26, 2008 at 8:36pm (EDT) |
just dont like ebay and no one ever asked to use amazon. | dtp11
| | #13 posted April 28, 2008 at 11:57am (EDT) |
How does it make you look like a scammer? If you're able to prove you have 100% positive feedback on at least 2 other sites, then that should mean a lot. If a person is trustworthy and they can prove it, than it doesn't matter what website they earned their reputation on, all that matters is that they are in fact trustworthy. As long as they can prove it, then there should be no reason for the other trader to be afraid.
For example, you wouldn't treat a well respected accountant differently just because they changed companies. If accountant proved to the new company that he had a good reputation at his last place of employment, then that reputation would obviously stick with that person in the new company and people wouldn't treat them with disrespect just because they are new to the company. And if you did treat the new accountant poorly, you'd be very ignorant.
Yes of course anyone knows that someone can just lookup someone's username with good feedback on another and say that's them. But if they prove it's them, than there should be nothing stopping you from trusting that person. | buffduff
| | #14 posted April 28, 2008 at 1:00pm (EDT) |
A rating from ebay means nothing here because I can't post bad feedback on ebay if the trade goes bad. A new person here has no reputation to be tainted, in other words, nothing to lose. | Godfather
| | #15 posted April 29, 2008 at 7:56am (EDT) |
Exactly.
Guitar Hero forum GTZoners | dtp11
| | #16 posted April 29, 2008 at 4:34pm (EDT) |
buffduff wrote:
> A rating from ebay means nothing here because I can't post bad feedback
> on ebay if the trade goes bad. A new person here has no reputation
> to be tainted, in other words, nothing to lose.
...Nothing to lose but access to a sweet website with tons of people to trade games with!
It doesn't matter if they have nothing to lose because anyone who has good feedback on several other websites, obviously is an honest person so they wouldn't look at it that way. And they certainly wouldn't just join a site to get 1 video game for free and put themselves at risk because you have their address which means you have their phone number and you probably have thier email address too.
Plus, if anyone were to steal a video game from you, just send them another package with one of those boxing glove hands that punches them in the face when they open it up. Just don't put a return address and if their a scammer they won't know who it's from because they've probably scammed lots of other people in the past so it could be anyone! So there, you get your revenge and turn a bad situation into a fun situation all at the expense of a single video game (and some postage fees)!
As I said before, no one should go by eBay feedback ALONE, but it's something to consider if they have 1 or 2 or more other sites with good feedback on them. Amazon, Goozex, and Sayswap all have excellent feedback systems unlike eBay, but eBay is still worth something at least. Plus if someone is an outright scammer, they'd be caught and banned by eBay already anyway.
So again, use common sense and quit being so paranoid. I've bought, sold, and traded thousands of things on several websites and only been scammed ONCE, and I got my money back. So just go with your gut feeling and do some research. Not all new users are scammers, in fact the majority are not. Thanks. | buffduff
| #17 posted April 29, 2008 at 5:24pm (EDT)
edited April 29, 2008 at 5:26pm (EDT) |
dtp11 wrote:
> buffduff wrote:
>> A rating from ebay means nothing here because I can't post bad
> feedback
>> on ebay if the trade goes bad. A new person here has no reputation
>> to be tainted, in other words, nothing to lose.
>
> ...Nothing to lose but access to a sweet website with tons of people
> to trade games with!
>
> It doesn't matter if they have nothing to lose because anyone who
> has good feedback on several other websites, obviously is an honest
> person so they wouldn't look at it that way. And they certainly wouldn't
> just join a site to get 1 video game for free and put themselves at
> risk because you have their address which means you have their phone
> number and you probably have thier email address too.
>
> Plus, if anyone were to steal a video game from you, just send them
> another package with one of those boxing glove hands that punches
> them in the face when they open it up. Just don't put a return address
> and if their a scammer they won't know who it's from because they've
> probably scammed lots of other people in the past so it could be anyone!
> So there, you get your revenge and turn a bad situation into a fun
> situation all at the expense of a single video game (and some postage
> fees)!
>
> As I said before, no one should go by eBay feedback ALONE, but it's
> something to consider if they have 1 or 2 or more other sites with
> good feedback on them. Amazon, Goozex, and Sayswap all have excellent
> feedback systems unlike eBay, but eBay is still worth something at
> least. Plus if someone is an outright scammer, they'd be caught and
> banned by eBay already anyway.
>
> So again, use common sense and quit being so paranoid. I've bought,
> sold, and traded thousands of things on several websites and only
> been scammed ONCE, and I got my money back. So just go with your
> gut feeling and do some research. Not all new users are scammers,
> in fact the majority are not. Thanks.
Not trading with you at all would be paranoid, but simply requiring you to send first is reasonable. You can cry about it all you want, but you're not convincing any of us established users to change our minds. We all had to start out just like you and all went through the same thing and you're not getting special treatment. THANKS | Helen
 
| #18 posted April 30, 2008 at 12:05pm (EDT)
edited April 30, 2008 at 1:17pm (EDT) |
dtp11 wrote:
> So again, use common sense and quit being so paranoid.
> I've bought, sold, and traded thousands of things on several
> websites and only been scammed ONCE, and I got my money
> back. So just go with your gut feeling and do some research.
> Not all new users are scammers, in fact the majority are
> not. Thanks.
You're right that most new users probably aren't scammers, but that doesn't mean that they will or even should expect to be treated like a well-established user here.
There are plenty of good reasons not to consider feedback from other sites. Other sites' feedback systems are very different (and in our opinion, vastly inferior - including the ones you mentioned). Someone might try to pass off another person's feedback as their own. The other trader may not be familiar with whatever site you've been on and would need to go out of their way to learn about how it works, verify your identity, etc. Overall it can just be a big hassle, and also some may feel that you're disrespecting their hard-earned reputation here by asking them to send first or same-time because of your feedback from a different site. Personally, I do consider feedback from other sites that I use and am familiar with. This makes sense to me, but I don't expect anyone else to do the same, here or anywhere else, and I don't get offended if they don't.
The really important thing to realize is this:
One of GameTZ's greatest strengths is the freedom to allow us all to conduct trades in whatever way we choose, rather than a lot of restrictive rules on how we have to do it. This type of system gives all of us the responsibility for our own trades. It's up to each of us to research every potential trade and other trader, and decide what makes sense and what we are comfortable with. Sometimes one person's view may differ from someone else's, and they can't find a way to do the trade where both feel comfortable. That's ok, and both parties should just agree to disagree and move on. No one should do a trade that they themselves are not comfortable with, and it's certainly not your place (or mine or anyone else's) to dictate to someone else how "paranoid" they should be and how they should conduct their trading. If someone's trading terms are reasonable, they'll find plenty of other folks to trade with, and if they're not, that'll quickly become clear as well. | buffduff
| | #19 posted April 30, 2008 at 12:42pm (EDT) |
Well said. | kzn
(frozen)
| | #20 posted May 1, 2008 at 1:52am (EDT) |
Will ebay people look at my rating here and trust me? Fudge no! So why should it be the other way around?
| Y2k
 
| | #21 posted May 1, 2008 at 4:27am (EDT) |
If I use the trade site the person claims feedback on, I have no issue considering it. The fact is, if someone like Starwave initiates a trade with me on TGN, I have NO issue sending first to her..........because I know her reputation well enough from here. I extend the same courtesy to TGN members I might deal with on here. If some guy with 3 feedbacks on TGN initiates a trade with me here with his  account here, that simply won't sway me much and I'll want them to send first. It really depends on the person.
As far as goozex, CAG, eBay, etc go, well, I really don't consider those feedbacks on either of the 2 sites above since I don't use them.Should someone from one of those sites want to trade and cite their feedback there, I'll just thank them and get on with the deal.......with them sending first.
At this point in my trading career, I have very little interest in much stuff. I've grown bored with or out of games and it's usually cheaper not to trade for me now with the way shipping costs are here. I don't need the aggravation anymore. Right now, I come here because I don't have much better things to do at this time of day or before work when I'm bored. Within the next month or so, that will drastically change and I expect I'll be packing up my internet ball at least until next winter. I have 2 remaining pending trades - one I just sent my side on and the other I'm awaiting. I won't be doing anymore trades until I return next winter, if I decide to get hooked up with internet again then.
Y2k's Graf-X Shoppe
 | dtp11
| | #22 posted May 1, 2008 at 6:01pm (EDT) |
Helen wrote:
> dtp11 wrote:
>> So again, use common sense and quit being so paranoid.
>> I've bought, sold, and traded thousands of things on several
>> websites and only been scammed ONCE, and I got my money
>> back. So just go with your gut feeling and do some research.
>> Not all new users are scammers, in fact the majority are
>> not. Thanks.
>
> You're right that most new users probably aren't scammers, but that
> doesn't mean that they will or even should expect to be treated like
> a well-established user here.
>
> There are plenty of good reasons not to consider feedback from other
> sites. Other sites' feedback systems are very different (and in our
> opinion, vastly inferior - including the ones you mentioned). Someone
> might try to pass off another person's feedback as their own. The
> other trader may not be familiar with whatever site you've been on
> and would need to go out of their way to learn about how it works,
> verify your identity, etc. Overall it can just be a big hassle, and
> also some may feel that you're disrespecting their hard-earned reputation
> here by asking them to send first or same-time because of your
> feedback from a different site. Personally, I do consider feedback
> from other sites that I use and am familiar with. This makes sense
> to me, but I don't expect anyone else to do the same, here or anywhere
> else, and I don't get offended if they don't.
>
> The really important thing to realize is this:
>
> One of GameTZ's greatest strengths is the freedom to allow us all
> to conduct trades in whatever way we choose, rather than a lot of
> restrictive rules on how we have to do it. This type of system gives
> all of us the responsibility for our own trades. It's up to each
> of us to research every potential trade and other trader, and decide
> what makes sense and what we are comfortable with. Sometimes one
> person's view may differ from someone else's, and they can't find
> a way to do the trade where both feel comfortable. That's ok, and
> both parties should just agree to disagree and move on. No one should
> do a trade that they themselves are not comfortable with, and it's
> certainly not your place (or mine or anyone else's) to dictate to
> someone else how "paranoid" they should be and how they should conduct
> their trading. If someone's trading terms are reasonable, they'll
> find plenty of other folks to trade with, and if they're not, that'll
> quickly become clear as well.
Cleary people are missing my point.
First of all, I'm not "dictating" how paranoid people should or shouldn't be. It's more of a suggestion - there's a big difference. Plus, me saying that people are being too paranoid is a proven fact every time a trade goes through where one person has to send first. This is because at least 98% of the time the person who sends first isn't a scammer.
Anyway, all I'm saying is that people can't be expected to earn feedback on every single different buying, selling, and trading website to be treated fairly. That would be way too time consuming. Therefore if a person can prove that the in fact have good feedback from another respected and well known the other trader should accept that.
I'm only trying to help out here. Not just myself, but others as well. Scammers have taken our trust away from each other, and I'm only trying to help. Too many users are passing up good trades with legit new users because the new user is respected on another site and believes they shouldn't have to send first.
Of course new users who have good feedback built on other sites should expect to be treated on the same level as well established users. That's like website-discrimination to say they shouldn't! Just because a well established trader from another site comes to yours, doesn't mean they should be expected to send first. If they're honest one one site, they'll be honest on another. Everyone should send at the same time unless the other person has reason to believe that the other trader is in fact a scammer.
Anyone who thinks that a human being can completely change their morals because they type in a different trading website into their address bar is very misinformed! Traders with good feedback here should expect people from other sites to accept their feedback from here as well.
Never did I say that a new user should expect a well respected user here to send first, but the same time is only fair.
It's only going to be you who loses out if you expect every new user to send first. Anyone who realizes that accepting feedback from other sites is good to do when the other person can prove it has the advantage and is getting WAY more legit users to trade with!
I can't believe that some people are unable understand the simple fact that although there may be some differences in the feedback systems on other sites, it's all essentially the same. If it's from a popular site like amazon, goozex, and ebay, the feedback system obviously works otherwise it wouldn't be a popular site. So eBay's isn't perfect, but how many times has ANYONE been scammed by someone with 30 plus and 99% or more positive feedback from a user on eBay? The only time that would ever happen is if the person cheated to get feedback, but you could tell that easily.
It's people who have this frame of mind that steering away legit new users to the site. Whcih results in less stuff to be traded. Which results in halting the progression of an excellent site. I guarantee if people just took that next step to use common sense and logically look at the situation with the other user instead of just being closed minded and only goin gby this feedback system, they would be better off and have more people to trade with an be scammed no more than they would otherwise.
People with lots of trades and good feedback can't claim they "worked hard" in earning it. Being honest is the easiest thing ever and all you had to do was trade some video games. If you call that hard work, then your mistaken. I have never claimed that I've worked hard to earn any of my feedback on other sites. You're just being proud and stubborn if you think that someone else should send first because you supposedly "worked hard" trading all those games. You might as well put this on your resume if you are that proud of all your hard work. Honesty is honesty. No matter what site you earn your reputation from, you're still honest and should keep your reputation no matter where you go and not be expected to send first just because you're new to the particular site. How can you not see that?
Props to everyone who is smart enough to realize that. You are the ones who will get that ultra rare game for a sweet deal from a new user who has proven they are legit with feedback from another site and you agreed to send at the same time because of it. Everyone else is just missing out on a perfect opportunity. | Helen
| | #23 posted May 1, 2008 at 6:35pm (EDT) |
I don't understand why you are being so judgmental. I already said that I personally do take into account feedback from other sites that I'm familiar with. But unlike you, I don't think it's necessary or helpful to try to impose my beliefs on everyone else. 
Most of your arguments are flawed. Of course someone who sends first in a completed trade didn't scam that time - that's why they agreed to send first, and why the trade was completed! Asking less-established users to send first PREVENTS a lot of scamming that might otherwise occur; it doesn't prove that everyone isn't a scammer.
Claiming that feedback systems at other sites must be excellent since the sites are popular is also ridiculous. eBay just changed their system fairly recently; clearly they believed that the previous system needed improvement or they wouldn't have done so. I never said that other sites' systems are terrible and don't work, just that GameTZ's system is better. More importantly, everyone wanting to trade at GameTZ should understand GameTZ's system. It's much less reasonable to expect someone who doesn't use or maybe hasn't even heard of another site to learn about and have faith in their system.
Your claim of "website discrimination" is laughable. I have a max level character in Anarchy Online; do I get to start out with one in any other MMORPG I try? My family will give me a loan if I need money; will your family give me a loan? George W. Bush is president of the US; is he also president of every other country?
I never said that users with feedback from other sites are dishonest; in fact they are clearly more like to be honest. But, there are a lot of variables, and also lack of recourse for most of those places. If someone with eBay feedback rips me off, eBay won't care and I won't be able to leave feedback for them there. Same for Goozex (incidentally, Goozex has one of the worst and least trustworthy feedback systems out of all you've mentioned.) Same for Amazon. Feedback here isn't just a "hey, I guess you're an honest person" feel-good thing - it may not be hard work (I never said that btw) but it does take time and commitment to GameTZ to build, and that helps reassure someone that they have recourse and you have something to lose if you rip them off. Bottom line is, someone from another site is probably honest, but it's just too risky and too much of a potential hassle.
Like I said, everyone has different comfort levels and we should respect that as we try to compromise and make trades as well as friends. Or you know, we could all be closed-minded and judgmental and neg any post with a different opinion. | buffduff
| #24 posted May 1, 2008 at 8:46pm (EDT)
edited May 1, 2008 at 8:50pm (EDT) |
You're right Dtp11 the world works EXACTLY LIKE THAT. In fact, since I was loyal to my previous girlfriends all my next girlfriends are going to automatically trust me since my honesty carries everywhere right? Since I got employee of the year at my last job my new job should accept that repuatation as if I were an honest worker for THAT company right? HA! Keep in mind that on this site we don't just look at reps, but we won't trade with people we don't like either. Keep that in mind when you insult established traders that don't do things exactly the way you want. | BoB
 
| | #25 posted May 1, 2008 at 9:30pm (EDT) |
reading this thread caused me to giggle,that in turn boiled into a full blown lol from there it was like roflmao roflmao then i threw up a little cause i couldnt stop.mad
i havent been fudgeed like that since grade school - marla | thunderdonkey
| | #26 posted May 1, 2008 at 9:56pm (EDT) |
I think the fact that Dustin has zero trades yet speakes for itself... nobody will trade with you Dusty my boy, if you insist on this flawed logic of yours!!
I'm a new user as well. And despite the fact that I have a 7 year ebay track record with 814 feedback (100%) positive, I still realize that on GameTZ I have to send first...
I'm builiding up a good rep rather quickly too  | DR_SPOCK
| | #27 posted May 2, 2008 at 1:37am (EDT) |
I disagree with most of you, but it would be a waste of my time to argue because I'm in charge of who I do and do not trade with and I could not care less how any of you decide who's worth trusting.
eBay Listings
Amazon Storefront | SneekyFlow
| | #28 posted May 2, 2008 at 4:48am (EDT) |
phone #'s where someone responded to at least once makes me comfortable | dtp11
| #29 posted May 2, 2008 at 10:47am (EDT)
edited May 2, 2008 at 7:57pm (EDT) |
Helen, My last comment wasn't aimed directly at you - sorry, I may have led it to be that way, because I quoted yours, but it was directed at everybody.
And I'm not trying to "impose my beliefs" I'm only stating facts that would be helpful to everyone. You're taking things the wrong way.
Not one of my arguments is flawed - your interpretation of my arguments is what's flawed.
Here is a quote from you "Of course someone who sends first in a completed trade didn't scam that time - that's why they agreed to send first, and why the trade was completed!"
That doesn't really make sense to me why you siad that or what you were getting at by saying that. Was that in response to something I said? Because I can't find it. I'm not sure what you meant by that.
And this quote "Asking less-established users to send first PREVENTS a lot of scamming that might otherwise occur; it doesn't prove that everyone isn't a scammer." ...I never once said that it would prove that everyone isn't a scammer. I know there are scammers out there. But ALL I'm saying is that scammers don't have good feedback on several other sites and wouldn't go out of there way to "long con" (as sawyer would say on LOST - for anyone who watches that show) you out of a video game by showing you their feedback from other sites.
Did I ever say feedback from other sites were "excellent"? No, I even said there are small differences and that eBay's wasn't perfect. But those feedback systems still work enough to show you who's a scammer and who's not, basically. How many people are out there are unfamiliar with eBay and Amazon? And how many other game traders are unfamiliar with goozex or sayswap? Most of them have heard of those sites.
Obviously the website discrimination comment was a joke. Which is another way I can tell that you misinterpret what I say. Unless when you said laughable you meant "laugh with" and not "laugh at". And your examples weren't even accurate. In fact, they prove my point when you use them correctly: If you have a max level character in "Anarchy Online" and you went to another very similar MMORPG, and you proved to someone else that you had a max level character in "Anarchy Online", then they would be like wow, I respect that, if you have that high of a character in one MMORPG, you must be good and it won't be long before you get a max level character on this game too. As for your "loan" analogy, have you ever heard of a credit score? (it wouldn't surpise me if you haven't) but what do you think happens when you go to buy a car and apply for financing? THEY CHECK YOUR CREDIT SCORE! And if you have a good score from other places, they trust you. That's the perfect example - thanks for that! You just proved my point. And I might as well use your last example with the president... so you're trying to tell me that if George W. Bush were a well respected and honest president, that if he came to Canada, people would treat him as an average joe civilian? No obviouslly not, he get's special treatment. So thanks for that.
I never said you personally "said" that "users with feedback from other sites are dishonest". But sure are treating them that way by expecting them to send first - so you might as well have said it. And not only are they "more likely" to be honest, but there is almost no chance at all that they won't be. Obviously if someone with eBay feedback rips you off you can't leave them neg feedback on there for them. But what I'm saying is that they WONT. You're missing that part. And even if they did, you could still leave neg for them on gameTZ and a bad trader rep and they'd probably be kicked off so it couldn't happen again - but that's really not worthy of mention since it would almost never happen because as I've said, honest people are honest people - there morals do NOT change from site to site. That's a no-brainer.
You can't just say goozex has the worst feedback systems with nothing to back it up. As far as I'm concerned, goozex feedback is just fine. And amazon, feedback is fine too. What's wrong with it? It takes time and commitment as you would say to build up feedback from any of those other sites, so how is that different then?
Bottom line is, someone from another site with good feedback IS honest, and it's NOT too risky or too much of a potential hassle - you're jsut losing out, as I said.
Yes everyone has different comfort levels, that's a given. And I do NOT respect people who are too ignorant to realize that just because user is new, he's not a scammer, especially if he can prove that he's honest and trustworthy by providing feedback from other sites. Or people who think they are better than everyone else because they have a higher feedback rating. So if you're not comfortable with a person of a different race serving you dinner at a restaurant, you expect me to respect that? No way. Just the same was I don't respect those who would treat me as though I'm a scammer just because I'm new to a site when I can prove that I'm not.
I'm not the one being closed-minded because I accept good feedback from other sites.
And on to "Brian Duff":
... your girlfriend example doesn't even compare to what we're talking about. If you were able to PROVE that you were loyal to all your previous girlfriends than YES, your girlfriend should have some sort of trust for you then. Or at least you BOTH should have the SAME amount of trust for each other just like people should both send at the SAME time if you trust each other. And YES, since you got employee of the year in your last job, you could mention that in your interview and they would take that into consideration when hiring you. Just like traders should take into consideration your feedback from other sites when trading with you.
So you don't like me now because I proved you wrong? Good, why would I want to trade with anybody who thinks they're the king of the world because they are an "established trader" on a website. Or with anybody who can't realize they're wrong. Ya, I'll keep in mind never to trade with you either because I don't like people who are crybabies and get "insulted" by a comment I made on a forum in which I was only trying to help YOU and others out.
And "Trevor Sparreboom":
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Because other than you and a few others on this thread, people have some common sense and fairly good judgement and brains enough to understand what I'm saying. In fact I had a trade within the first few days with someone else who agreed to send at the same time even though I was new and they had good feedback. SO there's at least 1 person and I've had many offeres as well. You're just a sucker for sending first and having to wait longer for your game when you should be sending at the same time. Keep in mind I said people shouldn't judge eBay alone, but by at least 2 or more sites. And wow good for you, build up your rep but don't forget to leave time to ride a thunder donkey. | BoB
| #30 posted May 2, 2008 at 11:02am (EDT)
edited May 2, 2008 at 11:03am (EDT) |
dude relax brian wouldnt admit he was wrong if you stuck a gun to his head
edit;i laughed at you not disagreed with you,im still laughing .......high five?
i havent been fudgeed like that since grade school - marla | Helen
| | #31 posted May 2, 2008 at 11:04am (EDT) |
I don't have time to write a wall of text now but I just wanted to say: dtp, your understanding of who wrote what is deeply flawed. The author's name appears next to their post, not below it. | BoB
| #32 posted May 2, 2008 at 11:05am (EDT)
edited May 2, 2008 at 11:07am (EDT) |
but it was cute though,i think i have a girlfriend now 
edit again;i see what he got mixed up on now...sigh....can i keep the girlfriend though?
i havent been fudgeed like that since grade school - marla | dtp11
| #33 posted May 2, 2008 at 11:22am (EDT)
edited May 2, 2008 at 11:27am (EDT) |
Helen wrote:
> I don't have time to write a wall of text now but I just wanted to
> say: dtp, your understanding of who wrote what is deeply flawed.
> The author's name appears next to their post, not below it.
Oh no, I'm not perfect.
Thanks for the tip. | dtp11
| | #34 posted May 2, 2008 at 11:23am (EDT) |
BoB wrote:
> but it was cute though,i think i have a girlfriend now
>
>
> edit again;i see what he got mixed up on now...sigh....can i keep
> the girlfriend though?
>
You're a good guy | buffduff
| #35 posted May 2, 2008 at 11:27am (EDT)
edited May 2, 2008 at 11:27am (EDT) |
BoB wrote:
> dude relax brian wouldnt admit he was wrong if you stuck a gun to
> his head
>
> edit;i laughed at you not disagreed with you,im still laughing .......high
> five?
>
Yes I would, but as soon as the person with a gun walked away I'd be like "NOT!" and then run away. | dtp11
| #36 posted May 2, 2008 at 11:27am (EDT)
edited May 2, 2008 at 11:29am (EDT) |
dtp11 wrote:
> Helen wrote:
>> I don't have time to write a wall of text now but I just wanted
> to
>> say: dtp, your understanding of who wrote what is deeply flawed.
>
>> The author's name appears next to their post, not below it.
>
> Oh no, I'm not perfect.
>
> Thanks for the tip.
p.s. I edited it for you. I made the mistake because I copied and pasted this thread into notepad (don't ask why), so it messed up who wrote what. | buffduff
| #37 posted May 2, 2008 at 11:33am (EDT)
edited May 2, 2008 at 11:48am (EDT) |
dtp11 wrote:
> And on to "Brian Duff":
>
> ... your girlfriend example doesn't even compare to what we're talking
> about. If you were able to PROVE that you were loyal to all your previous
> girlfriends than YES, your girlfriend should have some sort of trust
> for you then. Or at least you BOTH should have the SAME amount of
> trust for each other just like people should both send at the SAME
> time if you trust each other. And YES, since you got employee of the
> year in your last job, you could mention that in your interview and
> they would take that into consideration when hiring you. Just like
> traders should take into consideration your feedback from other sites
> when trading with you.
> So you don't like me now because I proved you wrong? Good, why would
> I want to trade with anybody who thinks they're the king of the world
> because they are an "established trader" on a website. Or with anybody
> who can't realize they're wrong. Ya, I'll keep in mind never to trade
> with you either because I don't like people who are crybabies and
> get "insulted" by a comment I made on a forum in which I was only
> trying to help YOU and others out.
Haha no, your're trying to help yourself and other new people out.....how would you be helping me out? You think because you whine about sending first I'm going to run a background check on you and look at 5 other sites along with doing the research to make sure those are all YOU on those other sites? PFFT nah...I'll just save myself the trouble and make you send first. In the 5 years I've been trading on this site I've made up my mind about how I'm going to conduct my trades....the people that have traded with me have had an enjoyable experience and it reflects in my ratings. Why would I change after 5 years? What makes you think you're the first person to complain about sending first and reference ratings from other sites? I went through the same thing when I joined the site so it's not like I didn't go through the same experience. I don't know why you think I'm the crybaby when you're the one complaining about sending first. I only got insulted when you called us that make others send first ignorant....that IS an insult right? | BoB
| | #38 posted May 2, 2008 at 11:45am (EDT) |
nah im pretty ignant he was kinda spot on with that one
i havent been fudgeed like that since grade school - marla | dtp11
| | #39 posted May 2, 2008 at 4:43pm (EDT) |
buffduff wrote:
> dtp11 wrote:
>
>> And on to "Brian Duff":
>>
>> ... your girlfriend example doesn't even compare to what we're
> talking
>> about. If you were able to PROVE that you were loyal to all your
> previous
>> girlfriends than YES, your girlfriend should have some sort of
> trust
>> for you then. Or at least you BOTH should have the SAME amount
> of
>> trust for each other just like people should both send at the SAME
>> time if you trust each other. And YES, since you got employee of
> the
>> year in your last job, you could mention that in your interview
> and
>> they would take that into consideration when hiring you. Just like
>> traders should take into consideration your feedback from other
> sites
>> when trading with you.
>> So you don't like me now because I proved you wrong? Good, why
> would
>> I want to trade with anybody who thinks they're the king of the
> world
>> because they are an "established trader" on a website. Or with
> anybody
>> who can't realize they're wrong. Ya, I'll keep in mind never to
> trade
>> with you either because I don't like people who are crybabies and
>> get "insulted" by a comment I made on a forum in which I was only
>> trying to help YOU and others out.
>
>
> Haha no, your're trying to help yourself and other new people out.....how
> would you be helping me out? You think because you whine about sending
> first I'm going to run a background check on you and look at 5 other
> sites along with doing the research to make sure those are all YOU
> on those other sites? PFFT nah...I'll just save myself the trouble
> and make you send first. In the 5 years I've been trading on this
> site I've made up my mind about how I'm going to conduct my trades....the
> people that have traded with me have had an enjoyable experience and
> it reflects in my ratings. Why would I change after 5 years? What
> makes you think you're the first person to complain about sending
> first and reference ratings from other sites? I went through the same
> thing when I joined the site so it's not like I didn't go through
> the same experience. I don't know why you think I'm the crybaby when
> you're the one complaining about sending first. I only got insulted
> when you called us that make others send first ignorant....that IS
> an insult right?
No, calling some one ignorant isn't an insult. Or at least I don't take it as an insult unless I wasn't in fact being ignorant in whatever area someone was calling me ignorant in. Everyone in the world is ignorant. Look up the definition. I admit that I am ignorant in lots of ways. I was just saying you were ignorant in (at least) one area, in regards to making other send first when they have a good reputation or better than yours, just on other sites. I on the other hand am NOT ignorant in this regard.
I've used many examples already, surely you could have understood one of them? I think a good one to repeat here would be the president one: "if George W. Bush were a well respected and honest president, and he came to Canada for the first time, people would NOT treat him as an average joe civilian. He would get special treatment because he has a good reputation - maybe not as the president (or prime minister) of Canada. And Prime Minister Stephen Harper would treat him with the same respect and surely he wouldn't say "Mr. Bush, you're new here, so I'm going to ask that you bow down to me and do whatever I say". No, he would treat him FAIRLY and with respect. The same way a new person to this site with a good rep elsewhere should be treated FAIRLY by sending at the same time.
I never said you had to run a full out background check, but if you want to make a trade with a new user who has a game that you want and is offering you a good deal, are you going to pass it up because you're too stubborn to type in an web address and look at his feedback? That's SO hard isn't it? Surfing the web is such hard labour, I forgot. So that would make you the crybaby. It's easy to prove that it's actually the person. One way would be if you had an account on the site they have a good rep on, they could send you a PM from that sites message board saying "hey it's me!" or whatever. You don't have to hire a private investigator, it just takes a tiny bit of effort which would obviously be worth it if it were a trade you were really interested in. And you say "nah...I'll just save myself the trouble and make you send first"... well how are you going ot do that when I say "no I don't want to send first and then decline the trade where I was going to trade you 2 of my good games for one of your not-so-good games? Ya, you'd really be smart doing that wouldn't you? All because you were too lazy or stubborn to check out their feedback on another site.
So you made up your mind that new users have to send first and say you wouldn't change it... well that makes you closed minded. You ask why you should change it? well how about reading and understanding everything I've written.
Maybe this issue has come up in the past, but nobody has put it like I have and if they did, you just didn't listen or weren't smart enough to realize that hey, maybe they're right?
So just because you went through it when you first joined and now realize that it's not fair, you're still going to make others with good reps and FB from other sites send first? That's just like a father saying to his child that since he was beaten as kid (when he didn't deserve it because he didn't do anything wrong), that his child should be beaten too for doing nothing wrong because the father had to go through it when he was young.
Obvioulsy you can't understand the simple fact that if more people trade with new users by accepting their FB and rep from other sites, then the more people will come to the site (because a lot of honest new users get turned off the site because they have to send first) which will result in more games to be traded. It's not rocket science. So you claiming I'm only in it to help myself and other users is BOGUS. I'm in it to help everyone.
So I hope you personally keep trading the way you're trading because that just means once I get some decent FB and someone else with less feedback or is new (but can prove a good rep on other sites) sends a SWEET trade offer to me, but wants to send at the same time, I will accept it and get the good deal and you wont!
I was only trying to help EVERYONE out... but if you don't want to listen that's fine with me, because that just means more good trades for me and everyone else who is smarter than you that realizes looking at other people's feedback from other sites is NOT meaningless. | dtp11
| #40 posted May 2, 2008 at 4:46pm (EDT)
edited May 2, 2008 at 4:46pm (EDT) |
BoB wrote:
> nah im pretty ignant he was kinda spot on with that one
>
>
wow, now I feel bad for chirping you. thanks for not being as ridiculous as everyone else that's been arguing with me! | | |
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